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October 24, 2014, 02:14:44 PM
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For those waiting for Cryptsy listing, I found this story today that may be of interest:

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptocurrency-exchange-cryptsy-owner-paul-vernon-face-lawsuit/
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October 24, 2014, 02:27:44 PM
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can we add links to hashrate, difficulty and other charts to this thread or the .cc website ?
also links to some blockchain explorer
i know there are sites for this but ever since monerochain.info is dead i always forget where to find such info

chainradar.com and minergate.com (on minergate, click "blockchains")

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btw, the old website is really a joke - we discussed it month ago and there is no change - quit with this nonsense and stop allowing this dump mode already! it really seems intentional at this point...

It is certainly not intentional. Just many conflicting priorities and limited resources. There is work continuing on the web site.

why not add it to this thread's first page?
how are people supposed to check their transactions?

Good suggestion. I've passed that on to the maintainer of the page.
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October 24, 2014, 02:46:08 PM
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pump group is gone?

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October 24, 2014, 03:04:41 PM
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An exception might be BBR, who got some backing from jl777, although is now again in a decline as it is not clear if SuperNet can deliver or not.

I'm not so sure that can be the reason considering a lot of the work is already done for superNET. And the past week James has been working directly with CZ to implement some of the code into BBR: https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/tree/master/utils

Could be anything really. It's obviously affecting pretty much all altcurrencies right now. I think Bitcoin itself needs a big bump to get money flowing again. Not sure how or when that's going to happen though. Since Circle and Paypal have come and gone with little effect the only bright spots on the horizon that I can see right now are the Bitcoin ETFs(which might be incredible, but we'll see).
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October 24, 2014, 03:20:15 PM
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    BBR made the decision to prune ring signatures.  Which if I understand correctly makes it impossible to mathematically prove previous transactions were actually anonymous without the code base (or something along these lines).  I 100% want to figure out how to make the blockchain smaller per transaction - but I feel like being conservative about keeping proof of anonymity is a decision that bodes well for the future of the coin.

What it does is make it impossible for a new user to verify that the chain followed the rules at the beginning. You and I know (or at least we reasonably believe) that there wasn't any funny business in BBR at the beginning because we were around before during and after the trimming, but a new user starting a node has no way to establish that at all other than trusting you and me or someone like us to tell them that we were around and everything is okay.

That is unlike Bitcoin or Monero where you as a new user, on your own, can literally check every single transaction back to the genesis block and don't need to trust anyone to tell you they all followed the rules. I think the issue is somewhat worse with an anonymous coin than Bitcoin because rule violations can be hidden in the anonymity (if someone has a million extra coins, you couldn't see that or prove it). Nevertheless it isn't is devastating flaw or anything, just a somewhat higher level of external trust required than other coins (with the offsetting benefit of a smaller chain).

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What it does is make it impossible for a new user to verify that the chain followed the rules at the beginning.
It's not true.

I just put non-pruned version of boolberry blockchain: http://boolberry.com/downloads.html#blockchain_proof, special for you, because you like to confuse people with speculations about this stuff.

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That is unlike Bitcoin or Monero where you as a new user, on your own, can literally check every single transaction back to the genesis block and don't need to trust anyone to tell you they all followed the rules.
Not true, again.
You can do it for BBR as well, using this full version of blockchain you can mathematically prove that all transactions followed network rules.

The worse that we already discussed it with smooth and he knows that he is wrong here.


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ps: i wondering, when you guys finally stop confuse people about my project ?!


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October 24, 2014, 03:36:08 PM
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ps: i wondering, when you guys finally stop confuse people about my project ?!

+1

I have always wondered why the altcoin developers like to fight instead of making a great unite. As a Monero fan (and third-party GUI developer), I respect Boolberry, its fundamentals, and the people behind it. We are all aiming for the same goal: mainstream cryptocurrency adoption.

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October 24, 2014, 03:42:57 PM
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Not true, again.
You can do it for BBR as well, using this full version of blockchain you can mathematically prove that all transactions followed network rules.

The worse that we already discussed it with smooth and he knows that he is wrong here.


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ps: i wondering, when you guys finally stop confuse people about my project ?!

Zoidberg - can you elaborate?  You're saying that you can't prove it as a client with a pruned blockchain - but you CAN prove it with a full blockchain.  Are there two different networks running where you can download the full blockchain if you want - or the pruned one if you want?

I'm more interested in truth than pissing contests ....
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October 24, 2014, 03:43:51 PM
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I just put non-pruned version of boolberry blockchain: http://boolberry.com/downloads.html#blockchain_proof, special for you, because you like to confuse people with speculations about this stuff.

No, you modified some of the signatures there. In the original version they were different.

(I know you didn't, but you can't prove it.)

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The worse that we already discussed it with smooth and he knows that he is wrong here.

I could say the same. Let's not personalize a disagreement.

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That's not what's going on.


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October 24, 2014, 03:49:13 PM
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I just put non-pruned version of boolberry blockchain: http://boolberry.com/downloads.html#blockchain_proof, special for you, because you like to confuse people with speculations about this stuff.

No, you modified some of the signatures there. In the original version they were different.

(I know you didn't, but you can't prove it.)

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I could say the same. Let's not personalize a disagreement.

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That's not what's going on.


Ok.  So basically there isn't a live network that keeps the full ring signatures - but rather a download that Zoidberg can put together.  My only concern is I like the idea of a self sustaining system that can prove anonymity going all the way back (this is the tradeoff of pruning right?)

Wouldn't the best of both worlds be a pruned version and a full version with the client being able to specify which one to download?  Or would this even be practical / possible?
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October 24, 2014, 03:53:01 PM
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I just put non-pruned version of boolberry blockchain: http://boolberry.com/downloads.html#blockchain_proof, special for you, because you like to confuse people with speculations about this stuff.

No, you modified some of the signatures there. In the original version they were different.

(I know you didn't, but you can't prove it.)

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I could say the same. Let's not personalize a disagreement.

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That's not what's going on.


Ok.  So basically there isn't a live network that keeps the full ring signatures - but rather a download that Zoidberg can put together.  My only concern is I like the idea of a self sustaining system that can prove anonymity going all the way back (this is the tradeoff of pruning right?)

Wouldn't the best of both worlds be a pruned version and a full version with the client being able to specify which one to download?  Or would this even be practical / possible?

Yes it is possible to build such a system. Boolberry is not such a system.

Also, let's not confuse pruning (as defined by Bitcoin, meaning removing spent outputs from the chain, or at least from the pruned version of the chain) and trimming (removing some portion each transaction). What you describe can be used for both though.

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Also, let's not confuse pruning (as defined by Bitcoin, meaning removing spent outputs from the chain, or at least the pruned version of the chain) and trimming. What you describe can be used for both though.

Yeah ... I don't really understand any of it except in a very fuzzy way that might very well be wrong o.O
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October 24, 2014, 04:04:11 PM
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I just put non-pruned version of boolberry blockchain: http://boolberry.com/downloads.html#blockchain_proof, special for you, because you like to confuse people with speculations about this stuff.

No, you modified some of the signatures there. In the original version they were different.

(I know you didn't, but you can't prove it.)

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changed one valid signautre to another valid signature? Smiley lol


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October 24, 2014, 04:04:28 PM
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Also, let's not confuse pruning (as defined by Bitcoin, meaning removing spent outputs from the chain, or at least the pruned version of the chain) and trimming. What you describe can be used for both though.

Yeah ... I don't really understand any of it except in a very fuzzy way that might very well be wrong o.O

Let's say you have two transactions:

1. A -> B

2. B -> C

With pruning you can remove transaction #1 in its entirety because its output is no longer needed. Trimming doesn't do that, it removes a portion of each transaction. The difference becomes important when you have a large chain of transactions (for example in a long-running coin A->B, B->C ... Y->Z). In that case you can remove enormous numbers of earlier transactions with pruning (everything except Y->Z in the previous example), so the savings from pruning grows over time as the chain gets bigger. By contrast, the same portion of each transaction is removed with trimming.

Both pruning and trimming involve a tradeoff that the reduced version of the chain can't be fully validated by a new independent participant who downloads the chain. How significant that is becomes a value judgement. I don't really have a strong opinion about how important that actually is, but Bitcoin has generally considered that to be fairly important which is one reason why pruning (and some other optimizations) has never been implemented.

It is also not obvious how to do pruning in cryptonote coins since you can't in general identify which coins are spent.

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October 24, 2014, 04:12:31 PM
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changed one valid signautre to another valid signature? Smiley lol

Remember, I am a new participant, so I wasn't around when that transaction was being verified, and I have no way to know there was a valid signature there before. Maybe you personally ran most or all of the nodes and they never checked.

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October 24, 2014, 04:22:48 PM
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I just put non-pruned version of boolberry blockchain: http://boolberry.com/downloads.html#blockchain_proof, special for you, because you like to confuse people with speculations about this stuff.
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That is unlike Bitcoin or Monero where you as a new user, on your own, can literally check every single transaction back to the genesis block and don't need to trust anyone to tell you they all followed the rules.
Not true, again.
You can do it for BBR as well, using this full version of blockchain you can mathematically prove that all transactions followed network rules.

The worse that we already discussed it with smooth and he knows that he is wrong here.


Zoidberg


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How do you keep the full blockchain? Which software (switch) do you use?
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October 24, 2014, 04:26:16 PM
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One reason is that since it got on exchanges, coin was cheaper only once. And there was never not even one trade made for less then 3 times cheaper as it is now.

that isn't true... I bought my first moneroj at 0.000212 BTC  Wink
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October 24, 2014, 04:40:43 PM
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Not true, again.
You can do it for BBR as well, using this full version of blockchain you can mathematically prove that all transactions followed network rules.

The worse that we already discussed it with smooth and he knows that he is wrong here.


Zoidberg


ps: i wondering, when you guys finally stop confuse people about my project ?!

Zoidberg - can you elaborate?  You're saying that you can't prove it as a client with a pruned blockchain - but you CAN prove it with a full blockchain.  Are there two different networks running where you can download the full blockchain if you want - or the pruned one if you want?

I'm more interested in truth than pissing contests ....

There is no need to have two BBR networks. This is very simple. Normal (standart client) use checkpoints, to speedup blockchain loading (every currency have it, including bitcoin). Under checkpoints some checks are skipped. This based on idea the users trust developers and their checkpoints.

But, if some "new user" don't want to use checkpoints(don't trust developers), and want to completely validate(mathematically) whole blockchain from genesis block, then he build hi own manual client(or provide some command line params, depends of implementation) and completely validate whole blockchain. In BBR can do simple the same just by taking this complete version of blockchain, and do this verification for every transaction.



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October 24, 2014, 04:44:55 PM
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Again.. Cryptographers of THEIR choice. Cloak had their anon 'verified' as well (I made a lot off Cloak, because I knew when to sell).

This was said about the cryptonote coins.  I'm curious as to if who verified the provable anonymity of cryptonote is public information..  I've heard several statements that the Monero team paid people for independent verification who were qualified but never seen any names.
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October 24, 2014, 05:10:09 PM
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Again.. Cryptographers of THEIR choice. Cloak had their anon 'verified' as well (I made a lot off Cloak, because I knew when to sell).

This was said about the cryptonote coins.  I'm curious as to if who verified the provable anonymity of cryptonote is public information..  I've heard several statements that the Monero team paid people for independent verification who were qualified but never seen any names.

That is by choice, they will reveal themselves later on if they choose to.

There are well know cryptographers, such as gmaxwell and andytoshi who have verified the cryptography independently. You are welcome to either ask them, or look through their post history.

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October 24, 2014, 05:15:34 PM
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Again.. Cryptographers of THEIR choice. Cloak had their anon 'verified' as well (I made a lot off Cloak, because I knew when to sell).

This was said about the cryptonote coins.  I'm curious as to if who verified the provable anonymity of cryptonote is public information..  I've heard several statements that the Monero team paid people for independent verification who were qualified but never seen any names.

Greg Maxwell has looked in to it. I don't know if he's done that to the extent where he's gone on record making a comment about the crypto(edit: nm I see fluffypony posted above now). He also may have done some work for XMR under a pseudonym(pure speculation on my part, but I think that's what he would do). He has publicly shown interest in the CN tech though. I remember reading him talking about it on Hacker News a while ago.

Peter Todd has also publicly done work for XMR I think, but I don't know if that was related to analyising the crypto or just some code review type stuff.
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