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Author Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency  (Read 4471914 times)
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February 14, 2015, 06:47:53 AM
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Something i wanted to say


Have been an emotional supporter since day one. But the state of affairs in here are pressing me to second thoughts. I mean what exactly is happening here? Mew making their own shitty forum while core team forum is nothing to talk about. No clear idea which website belongs to whom and where should we go to find info. And the prehistoric site designs dont do much to engage anyone.

Where is the community, where are the ideas, what is happening actually?

Only one thing i know, the db is coming and it is coming . Sigh
Dont tell me it is in testing. Where are the repeated requests by the devs to test it


These are harsh but true words. We need to Organise. We need to streamline and stop playing games.

Here is what i want to happen -

Change the mew name to Monero Foundation, the foundation will have voting to select new members, irrespective of their holdings.

Only two groups. The Foundation and the Core Team

We need a new good looking website.
We need a new good looking forum. No scratch experiments. Who got the time for that. Time is of utmost value in these times of competition.

These will be the official sites. The foundation will have a separate site and can have a private forum. Dont need two forums.

The core team needs to clearly define a timeline of things to be developed. They need to stop wasting time and pick up one thing at a time and work collaboratively on it.

To the extent of my knowledge we need the db and then the gui. We should focus on these goals only

Then the question arises of funding - there is no other way but to invite funding. So the real question is why will people fund us. We need a service like mymonero which we can sell shares of. We need to brainstorm some ideas.

All in all a scam called darkcoin is ahead of monero just because they are organized, focused, swift
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February 14, 2015, 07:06:10 AM
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I believe some people here are perfectionists, but in an environment such as thing one, temporary things should be put in place until the final design or implementation is achieved(temporary forum, temporary official website design, etc).
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February 14, 2015, 07:46:57 AM
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Here is what i want to happen -

We need a new good looking website.
We need a new good looking forum. No scratch experiments. Who got the time for that. Time is of utmost value in these times of competition.

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To the extent of my knowledge we need the db and then the gui. We should focus on these goals only

Don't those contradict each other?

Who's going to build the new good looking website and set up a good looking forum? Isn't that what they are working on with the custom forum being built.


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February 14, 2015, 07:55:55 AM
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Something i wanted to say
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You make some decent points.

What if we start a kickstarter campaign to make potato salad?
If a guy can gather tens of thousands of dollars for tater salad, we ought to be able to organize a campaign to fund whatever we want.

A new websites is the answer? I am not so sure, but it seems to be the buzz lately.
 
Personally, I shared on my FB page about MyMonero when it launched and offered 1 XMR to any friend who opened a wallet there. It went over like a turd in the punch bowl. I may not have the most tech-savvy bunch of FB friends but I do have some smart & successful friends, some who are in tech and whatnot, and I didn't get a single like or comment. Boo hoo.  Cry Seems we are still pretty far ahead of what I foresee as a nice adoption curve with Monero and crypto in general.

Meanwhile, @pple pay and whatever response g00gle has to it are the latest payment trends. Pay with your phone via NFC.

The Core Devs will tell us "Things take time." Of course, I understand that. But, I do have to agree that some other coins are seemingly more well-organized as a community.

The official forum is a ghost town.

So, I believe we just need to collaborate to get some stuff done as a community, outside of the Core Devs. They are busy.
What do we want to do?
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February 14, 2015, 09:11:57 AM
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Here is what i want to happen -

We need a new good looking website.
We need a new good looking forum. No scratch experiments. Who got the time for that. Time is of utmost value in these times of competition.

~~ SNIP ~~

To the extent of my knowledge we need the db and then the gui. We should focus on these goals only

Don't those contradict each other?

Who's going to build the new good looking website and set up a good looking forum? Isn't that what they are working on with the custom forum being built.



The foundation needs to take care of the shiny stuff. Aka websites and forum.
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So, I believe we just need to collaborate to get some stuff done as a community, outside of the Core Devs. They are busy.
What do we want to do?

Are we on slack? If not lets make one and start a brainstorming session. The topic should be development funds

Edit - we are on slack - monerofoundation.slack.com

Pm me your email for invites, i think there should not be a problem about privacy for a public foundation
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February 14, 2015, 10:35:15 AM
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So, I believe we just need to collaborate to get some stuff done as a community, outside of the Core Devs. They are busy.
What do we want to do?

Are we on slack? If not lets make one and start a brainstorming session. The topic should be development funds

Edit - we are on slack - monerofoundation.slack.com

Pm me your email for invites, i think there should not be a problem about privacy for a public foundation

All I want is a way to pay for cam girls without my wife potentially finding out--is that too much to ask?

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February 14, 2015, 11:06:25 AM
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All I want is a way to pay for cam girls without my wife potentially finding out--is that too much to ask?

Until Monero gets really popular you really should avoid things like this... or you can always use a Bitcoin mixer and get in the same room as drug dealers and scammers.

Bitcoin mixer sounds like a terrible social event. I'll wait for a Monero ho-down.  Grin

Speaking of which--why isn't there a Monero $10,000 party listed? As ludicrous as it sounds, that's where we are heading.

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February 14, 2015, 11:18:39 AM
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I'm a Monero holder but I've been reading about HD wallets lately and I'm wondering why tech like CryptoNote is necessary when HD wallets change the address every time they send or receive.
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February 14, 2015, 11:27:39 AM
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I'm a Monero holder but I've been reading about HD wallets lately and I'm wondering why tech like CryptoNote is necessary when HD wallets change the address every time they send or receive.

Even though it's new addresses you can still use taint analysis to trace back through change addresses to make connections to a user

Random address from the recent transactions box: https://blockchain.info/taint/1Mub9qZnaNxFSkF3FB612C8CdHC3qWWMW7

The goal is to avoid the ability to do that from my understanding

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February 14, 2015, 11:41:54 AM
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I'm a Monero holder but I've been reading about HD wallets lately and I'm wondering why tech like CryptoNote is necessary when HD wallets change the address every time they send or receive.

Even though it's new addresses you can still use taint analysis to trace back through change addresses to make connections to a user

Random address from the recent transactions box: https://blockchain.info/taint/1Mub9qZnaNxFSkF3FB612C8CdHC3qWWMW7

The goal is to avoid the ability to do that from my understanding

Thanks, is there an example of how taint analysis works within the context of BTC change addresses?
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February 14, 2015, 12:10:32 PM
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I'm a Monero holder but I've been reading about HD wallets lately and I'm wondering why tech like CryptoNote is necessary when HD wallets change the address every time they send or receive.

Even though it's new addresses you can still use taint analysis to trace back through change addresses to make connections to a user

Random address from the recent transactions box: https://blockchain.info/taint/1Mub9qZnaNxFSkF3FB612C8CdHC3qWWMW7

The goal is to avoid the ability to do that from my understanding

Thanks, is there an example of how taint analysis works within the context of BTC change addresses?

I don't believe HD wallets are relevant to the privacy problem with Bitcoin. Even with simple wallets combining inputs from multiple addresses proves that a single person owned all the addresses included.
Whatever marketing gimmick and fancy new wallet system they come up, it probably won't matter in the future if its not totally useless already. The blockchain is a public and permanent record of everyones transactions. Besides the fact that one would have to be 100% anonymous for each and every transaction, 100% of the time to remain untraceable, this means no space for any mistake in the past or in the far outreaching future for one using Bitcoin. If some agency wants to they will eventually connect the dots from enough public and private databases. Bitcoin was not made to be private, it is a nightmare waiting to happen.

"But I'm smart and I never make mistakes--I'm even smarter than the future. No blockchain analysis ever gonna catch up with me" Roll Eyes

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February 14, 2015, 12:16:37 PM
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Speaking of which--why isn't there a Monero $10,000 party listed? As ludicrous as it sounds, that's where we are heading.
10, 100 and 1000 USD parties. Even Bitcoin is not at 10K.

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February 14, 2015, 01:36:54 PM
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Anyone who has the skills to leave no trace of his crypto usage, can either:

a) not accomplish anything since no trace may be left;
b) not stay under the radar due to he is so skilled that he's certainly on the list already.

Try another frontier. Such as questioning the legitimacy of the whole charade. Bruce Fenton said he went on offensive when a cop was trying to fill his ticket quota with him, making the cop admit that he's on the morally losing side, but needs to get his family fed. In this case, at the expense of another family of 6.
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February 14, 2015, 02:47:52 PM
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All I want is a way to pay for cam girls without my wife potentially finding out--is that too much to ask?

Holy "taint analysis" batman!
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February 14, 2015, 03:15:22 PM
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All I want is a way to pay for cam girls without my wife potentially finding out--is that too much to ask?

Holy "taint analysis" batman!

Don't think Johnny Knoxville had crypto in mind when he said this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJu-V8gkM3s

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February 14, 2015, 03:41:40 PM
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I'm a Monero holder but I've been reading about HD wallets lately and I'm wondering why tech like CryptoNote is necessary when HD wallets change the address every time they send or receive.

Even though it's new addresses you can still use taint analysis to trace back through change addresses to make connections to a user

Random address from the recent transactions box: https://blockchain.info/taint/1Mub9qZnaNxFSkF3FB612C8CdHC3qWWMW7

The goal is to avoid the ability to do that from my understanding

Thanks, is there an example of how taint analysis works within the context of BTC change addresses?

I don't believe HD wallets are relevant to the privacy problem with Bitcoin. Even with simple wallets combining inputs from multiple addresses proves that a single person owned all the addresses included.
Whatever marketing gimmick and fancy new wallet system they come up, it probably won't matter in the future if its not totally useless already. The blockchain is a public and permanent record of everyones transactions. Besides the fact that one would have to be 100% anonymous for each and every transaction, 100% of the time to remain untraceable, this means no space for any mistake in the past or in the far outreaching future for one using Bitcoin. If some agency wants to they will eventually connect the dots from enough public and private databases. Bitcoin was not made to be private, it is a nightmare waiting to happen.

I agree with this concept.  How much privacy do HD wallets really provide?
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February 14, 2015, 04:05:51 PM
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I'm a Monero holder but I've been reading about HD wallets lately and I'm wondering why tech like CryptoNote is necessary when HD wallets change the address every time they send or receive.

Every bitcoin wallet does use a new address for each transaction by default...however the user can override that by reusing a receiving address for multiple payments for example.

HD wallet solves the problem of having to keep making backups of your wallet.dat, as there are only 100 addresses in your keypool until you need to make more. (at least in Bitcoin Core, I'm not very familiar with other wallets)

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February 14, 2015, 04:22:31 PM
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Every bitcoin wallet does use a new address for each transaction by default.

Can those addresses/transactions be linked to each other by examining the blockchain?
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February 14, 2015, 04:29:53 PM
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Anyone who has the skills to leave no trace of his crypto usage, can either:

a) not accomplish anything since no trace may be left;
b) not stay under the radar due to he is so skilled that he's certainly on the list already.

Try another frontier. Such as questioning the legitimacy of the whole charade. Bruce Fenton said he went on offensive when a cop was trying to fill his ticket quota with him, making the cop admit that he's on the morally losing side, but needs to get his family fed. In this case, at the expense of another family of 6.

It is only a matter of time before they will accept XMR for the payment of tickets https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=955358.0

Concerned that blockchain bloat will lead to centralization? Storing less than 4 GB of data once required the budget of a superpower and a warehouse full of punched cards. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card
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