[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[David Latapie]

Dedicated XMR Forum should be the responsibility of MEW, but they are too interested in playing a game.

And xmrmonero.com, FOR FUCK SAKE!

https://xmrmonero.com/forum/

And been announced, people posted on it. And we even discussed two days ago about the new name.

Yeah, playing a game... What if you posted there instead, mmh?

[GTO911]

I Dropped the price

How about dropping the ransom attempts?

Final Drop

[TheKoziTwo]

GTO911: This topic is for monero discussion, there is a marketplace subforum to sell your shitty domains.

[TheKoziTwo]

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I can't stand "infinite scrolling" either. It's a feature I find to be very annoying for the most part (there are exceptions where it can serve a purpose, such as google image search). The problem I have with it is that I can't go to a particular page without scrolling endlessly. There are times when I want to lookup a discussion, and say there are 50 pages, I know it's likely to be somewhere around 30-40, with pagination I can make some guess and narrow it down fairly quick, but with infinite scroll I will have to scroll endlessly through page 1-30 or 50-40 before I can start my search. Another scenario could be you're reading a thread and are on page 30 (or in this case, far into your "scroll") and by accident you close the page or (god forbid) you are stupid enough to click a link without "open in new windows". Now you're left to wonder where you left of.

Heh - the Markdown thing was a jab, but seriously it's so much better than BBCode and raw HTML for posts, and it's a LOT easier for us to handle security implications.

On the infinite scrolling thing, we already handle pagination if you browse with JavaScript disabled:

JS enabled


JS disabled

We can definitely add a user setting to disable infinite scrolling in lieu of pagination.

We'll have to give some thought as to how we highlight jumped-to comments in short threads.

That's excellent, shouldn't be too much of an issue to enable it then, if already created for non-js browsers.

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I can't stand "infinite scrolling" either. It's a feature I find to be very annoying for the most part (there are exceptions where it can serve a purpose, such as google image search). The problem I have with it is that I can't go to a particular page without scrolling endlessly. There are times when I want to lookup a discussion, and say there are 50 pages, I know it's likely to be somewhere around 30-40, with pagination I can make some guess and narrow it down fairly quick, but with infinite scroll I will have to scroll endlessly through page 1-30 or 50-40 before I can start my search. Another scenario could be you're reading a thread and are on page 30 (or in this case, far into your "scroll") and by accident you close the page or (god forbid) you are stupid enough to click a link without "open in new windows". Now you're left to wonder where you left of.

Try remember how long it took you to scroll down versus if you were on page 30 or not. You can't even remember the location of your scroll bar since there is no such thing as "half down the page" with infinite scroll.

As for my main concern (order), you are right, I can order it by oldest / latest. That's cool. But the quotes are not in the actual post, it's above in a tooltip, but the entire post is not displayed. So what happens if I want to read the post quoted? I have to click the link and it will take me to the post, but with infinite scroll how am I going to find my way back to the responding post? the scroll bar is useless. And it's not unreasonable to assume I want to read the quoted post of the quoted post, and as you move up you're just getting more lost.

Discourse addresses those issues.

Jeff Atwood (CodingHorror) blogged about the troubles of pagination and infinite scrolling
http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-end-of-pagination/

Robin Ward (EvilTrout) then blogged about how to "do it right" a year later
http://eviltrout.com/2013/02/16/infinite-scrolling-that-works.html


Here's an example of a long thread at Discourse
https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-the-most-awesome-plugin-for-discourse-that-does-not-yet-exist/31/73

The /73 is the currently viewed reply so navigating to a link and hitting back works it's updated using the javascript replaceState function to update the URL as described in EvilTrout's blog

In the lower right is a progress bar showing how far you are into a thread which upon clicking allows you to jump to a specific post, top, or bottom

Love it, that was a much better user experience.

[5w00p]

WTF is wrong with https://forum.monero.cc/ ?
 

I can't login, I ask for password recovery, it doesn't work.

[nioc]

WTF is wrong with https://forum.monero.cc/ ?
 

I can't login, I ask for password recovery, it doesn't work.

FWIW I can login with no problem.

[5w00p]

I just created a new account.
eff it, it was probably a mistake on my part.

[fluffypony]

WTF is wrong with https://forum.monero.cc/ ?
 

I can't login, I ask for password recovery, it doesn't work.

I can't see any outgoing password recovery mails in our MailGun logs; if you used the password recovery form using an email that doesn't exist it will tell you that it's sent a password recovery email even though it hasn't. This is unfortunately a security necessity, otherwise an attacker could use the password recovery form to ascertain what email address(es) are registered.

[Hueristic]

Dedicated XMR Forum should be the responsibility of MEW, but they are too interested in playing a game.

And xmrmonero.com, FOR FUCK SAKE!

https://xmrmonero.com/forum/

And been announced, people posted on it. And we even discussed two days ago about the new name.

Yeah, playing a game... What if you posted there instead, mmh?

My bad, completely missed it and signed up now.

[bitspill]

if you used the password recovery form using an email that doesn't exist it will tell you that it's sent a password recovery email even though it hasn't. This is unfortunately a security necessity, otherwise an attacker could use the password recovery form to ascertain what email address(es) are registered.

This is also something they discussed over at discourse recently I don't have the link at the moment but can find it if you wish. Basically they deemed it worth the slight security hit in exchange for increased user experience. Although the forgot password page may not disclose it what happens if you try registering with an email that is already in the system?

[pandher]

Something i wanted to say


Have been an emotional supporter since day one. But the state of affairs in here are pressing me to second thoughts. I mean what exactly is happening here? Mew making their own shitty forum while core team forum is nothing to talk about. No clear idea which website belongs to whom and where should we go to find info. And the prehistoric site designs dont do much to engage anyone.

Where is the community, where are the ideas, what is happening actually?

Only one thing i know, the db is coming and it is coming . Sigh
Dont tell me it is in testing. Where are the repeated requests by the devs to test it


These are harsh but true words. We need to Organise. We need to streamline and stop playing games.

Here is what i want to happen -

Change the mew name to Monero Foundation, the foundation will have voting to select new members, irrespective of their holdings.

Only two groups. The Foundation and the Core Team

We need a new good looking website.
We need a new good looking forum. No scratch experiments. Who got the time for that. Time is of utmost value in these times of competition.

These will be the official sites. The foundation will have a separate site and can have a private forum. Dont need two forums.

The core team needs to clearly define a timeline of things to be developed. They need to stop wasting time and pick up one thing at a time and work collaboratively on it.

To the extent of my knowledge we need the db and then the gui. We should focus on these goals only

Then the question arises of funding - there is no other way but to invite funding. So the real question is why will people fund us. We need a service like mymonero which we can sell shares of. We need to brainstorm some ideas.

All in all a scam called darkcoin is ahead of monero just because they are organized, focused, swift

[Indefinitely]

I believe some people here are perfectionists, but in an environment such as thing one, temporary things should be put in place until the final design or implementation is achieved(temporary forum, temporary official website design, etc).

[bitspill]

Here is what i want to happen -

We need a new good looking website.
We need a new good looking forum. No scratch experiments. Who got the time for that. Time is of utmost value in these times of competition.

~~ SNIP ~~

To the extent of my knowledge we need the db and then the gui. We should focus on these goals only

Don't those contradict each other?

Who's going to build the new good looking website and set up a good looking forum? Isn't that what they are working on with the custom forum being built.

[5w00p]

Something i wanted to say
...

You make some decent points.

What if we start a kickstarter campaign to make potato salad?
If a guy can gather tens of thousands of dollars for tater salad, we ought to be able to organize a campaign to fund whatever we want.

A new websites is the answer? I am not so sure, but it seems to be the buzz lately.
 
Personally, I shared on my FB page about MyMonero when it launched and offered 1 XMR to any friend who opened a wallet there. It went over like a turd in the punch bowl. I may not have the most tech-savvy bunch of FB friends but I do have some smart & successful friends, some who are in tech and whatnot, and I didn't get a single like or comment. Boo hoo.  Seems we are still pretty far ahead of what I foresee as a nice adoption curve with Monero and crypto in general.

Meanwhile, @pple pay and whatever response g00gle has to it are the latest payment trends. Pay with your phone via NFC.

The Core Devs will tell us "Things take time." Of course, I understand that. But, I do have to agree that some other coins are seemingly more well-organized as a community.

The official forum is a ghost town.

So, I believe we just need to collaborate to get some stuff done as a community, outside of the Core Devs. They are busy.
What do we want to do?

[pandher]

Here is what i want to happen -

We need a new good looking website.
We need a new good looking forum. No scratch experiments. Who got the time for that. Time is of utmost value in these times of competition.

~~ SNIP ~~

To the extent of my knowledge we need the db and then the gui. We should focus on these goals only

Don't those contradict each other?

Who's going to build the new good looking website and set up a good looking forum? Isn't that what they are working on with the custom forum being built.

The foundation needs to take care of the shiny stuff. Aka websites and forum.

[pandher]

So, I believe we just need to collaborate to get some stuff done as a community, outside of the Core Devs. They are busy.
What do we want to do?

Are we on slack? If not lets make one and start a brainstorming session. The topic should be development funds

Edit - we are on slack - monerofoundation.slack.com

Pm me your email for invites, i think there should not be a problem about privacy for a public foundation

[generalizethis]

So, I believe we just need to collaborate to get some stuff done as a community, outside of the Core Devs. They are busy.
What do we want to do?

Are we on slack? If not lets make one and start a brainstorming session. The topic should be development funds

Edit - we are on slack - monerofoundation.slack.com

Pm me your email for invites, i think there should not be a problem about privacy for a public foundation

All I want is a way to pay for cam girls without my wife potentially finding out--is that too much to ask?

[generalizethis]

All I want is a way to pay for cam girls without my wife potentially finding out--is that too much to ask?

Until Monero gets really popular you really should avoid things like this... or you can always use a Bitcoin mixer and get in the same room as drug dealers and scammers.

Bitcoin mixer sounds like a terrible social event. I'll wait for a Monero ho-down.  

Speaking of which--why isn't there a Monero $10,000 party listed? As ludicrous as it sounds, that's where we are heading.

[bitcoinrocks]

I'm a Monero holder but I've been reading about HD wallets lately and I'm wondering why tech like CryptoNote is necessary when HD wallets change the address every time they send or receive.

[bitspill]

I'm a Monero holder but I've been reading about HD wallets lately and I'm wondering why tech like CryptoNote is necessary when HD wallets change the address every time they send or receive.

Even though it's new addresses you can still use taint analysis to trace back through change addresses to make connections to a user

Random address from the recent transactions box: https://blockchain.info/taint/1Mub9qZnaNxFSkF3FB612C8CdHC3qWWMW7

The goal is to avoid the ability to do that from my understanding