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But not everyone want to vote for or against digging. So if 20% not want to vote for and against. Then 40% is half of the votes
I think it's fair to assume that if 20% don't want to vote, they also don't want to upgrade their client. We need >50% to upgrade for any change to actually take place. Of course as things currently stand we have a single staker with 75% of the stake weight, so this isn't an issue. The 75% staker can safely accept a change that has >50% support and know there won't be problems with excessive forking and orphaning. JD has not 84% stake weight?
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January 06, 2016, 05:57:32 PM |
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JD has not 84% stake weight?
More than 55%. Enough. Whatever. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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January 06, 2016, 08:35:34 PM Last edit: January 07, 2016, 08:51:50 AM by smooth |
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That clamour stuff was just a scam to shut up the people who wanted end digging? When need 90% of votes to make any changes that clamour stuff has really no meaning. Is hard enough get over 50% to care, but over 90% of votes they get only in North Korea and places like that.
This is the first I've heard of 90% support being needed. Incidentally here's the support for each petition over the last 10,000 blocks: $ clamd getsupport { "threshold" : 0, "window" : 10000, "endblock" : 805025, "startblock" : 795026, "support" : { "0000cb61" : 195, "02fde4a4" : 499, "066b223d" : 69, "26dfbf81" : 38, "5afa074c" : 3807, "694c26a6" : 413, "7a69a853" : 1664, "c9328886" : 46, "deaddea1" : 23, "e2ef93da" : 44, "ea06c089" : 1713, "eff96b06" : 26, "ff839af9" : 2261 } } "5afa074c" (stop digging) has the most support, at 38.07% So what is the % need for change anything? Technically you would need greater then 50%. But as smooth points out, to make sure you have a smooth transition you would need to make sure you have more then a slight margin. 55%, 60% 70%, but no where near the 90%. You need enough of a cushion so that if you made the change, you would have greater then 50% staking power to keep moving your chain ahead. You are incorrect about this if you want to avoid massive chain forks and reorgs, and I think you do. The calculations are on page 8 of satoshi's whitepaper. With 55% you will have a 340 block reorg 1/1000 (which I think would happen ~once per day on CLAM, but I may be messing up that calculation). Really you need at least 75-80% to avoid frequent reorgs and greatly reducing the security of the chain. However, dooglus says that he will deploy his supermajority JD stake in support of just majority votes, so in effect he is treating the coin as a centrally-run system (which it is) with a "majority rules" rule that he decided to enact.
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January 06, 2016, 09:06:13 PM |
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I have a large supply of CLAM on polo for trading and lending purposes - Can I vote for the removal of digging too?
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January 06, 2016, 09:08:06 PM |
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I have a large supply of CLAM on polo for trading and lending purposes - Can I vote for the removal of digging too?
Unfortunately not. Poloniex refuse to stake their coins. You could withdraw them and stake them yourself however.
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January 07, 2016, 09:46:00 AM |
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I have a large supply of CLAM on polo for trading and lending purposes - Can I vote for the removal of digging too?
Unfortunately not. Poloniex refuse to stake their coins. You could withdraw them and stake them yourself however. Is it a relatively simple procedure? or perhaps a step by step guide available? The whole petition thing is quite over my head I'm afraid but I would love to vote =)
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January 07, 2016, 10:30:25 AM |
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I have a large supply of CLAM on polo for trading and lending purposes - Can I vote for the removal of digging too?
Unfortunately not. Poloniex refuse to stake their coins. You could withdraw them and stake them yourself however. Is it a relatively simple procedure? or perhaps a step by step guide available? The whole petition thing is quite over my head I'm afraid but I would love to vote =) I've not had the time to figure it out for myself either. Has anyone made a straight forward step by step guide somewhere for those who might need it?
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January 07, 2016, 01:44:34 PM |
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I have a large supply of CLAM on polo for trading and lending purposes - Can I vote for the removal of digging too?
Unfortunately not. Poloniex refuse to stake their coins. You could withdraw them and stake them yourself however. Is it a relatively simple procedure? or perhaps a step by step guide available? The whole petition thing is quite over my head I'm afraid but I would love to vote =) I've not had the time to figure it out for myself either. Has anyone made a straight forward step by step guide somewhere for those who might need it? No user guides!! The CLAMidea (careful how you say that) system is a poll test. If you ain't aristocratic able enough to figure it out, then you get to watch.
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January 07, 2016, 02:10:54 PM |
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No user guides!! The CLAMidea (careful how you say that) system is a poll test. If you ain't aristocratic able enough to figure it out, then you get to watch.
Why?
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January 07, 2016, 03:29:09 PM |
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I have a large supply of CLAM on polo for trading and lending purposes - Can I vote for the removal of digging too?
Unfortunately not. Poloniex refuse to stake their coins. You could withdraw them and stake them yourself however. Is it a relatively simple procedure? or perhaps a step by step guide available? The whole petition thing is quite over my head I'm afraid but I would love to vote =) I've not had the time to figure it out for myself either. Has anyone made a straight forward step by step guide somewhere for those who might need it? No user guides!! The CLAMidea (careful how you say that) system is a poll test. If you ain't aristocratic able enough to figure it out, then you get to watch. There will be a full explanation and user guide available on the website once the client is squared-away.
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January 07, 2016, 04:29:48 PM |
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I have a large supply of CLAM on polo for trading and lending purposes - Can I vote for the removal of digging too?
Unfortunately not. Poloniex refuse to stake their coins. You could withdraw them and stake them yourself however. Is it a relatively simple procedure? or perhaps a step by step guide available? The whole petition thing is quite over my head I'm afraid but I would love to vote =) I've not had the time to figure it out for myself either. Has anyone made a straight forward step by step guide somewhere for those who might need it? No user guides!! The CLAMidea (careful how you say that) system is a poll test. If you ain't aristocratic able enough to figure it out, then you get to watch. There will be a full explanation and user guide available on the website once the client is squared-away. Cool. Thanks. Big up all you CLAMdevs for your good work
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January 07, 2016, 05:04:46 PM |
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You could withdraw them and stake them yourself however.
Is it a relatively simple procedure? or perhaps a step by step guide available? The whole petition thing is quite over my head I'm afraid but I would love to vote =) I've not had the time to figure it out for myself either. Has anyone made a straight forward step by step guide somewhere for those who might need it? If you want to have your voice heard in the CLAMour system I think there are currently two options: 1) download and sync the CLAM client, withdraw your CLAMs from poloniex to your local wallet, set your CLAMspeech to support the petition(s) you like OR 2) make an account at Just-Dice.com, withdraw your CLAMs from poloniex to your Just-Dice deposit address, invest them in the JD bankroll and specify the petition(s) you support in the account tab. Option 1 is better in terms of decentralising the coin. Over 73% of all the CLAMs that have ever moved at currently at Just-Dice, which clearly not good in terms of having a robust decentralised network. But syncing the blockchain is kind of a pain, taking many hours or even days. I provide a bootstrap.dat file updated which helps a lot in getting your client synced up. The next release of the client will have direct support for CLAMour, but it isn't ready yet. The current release does let you specify your CLAMspeech. Set it to "clamour nnnnnnnn" where nnnnnnnn is the 8 digit code for the petition you support. You can specify multiple 8 digit codes; use a space to separate each pair of codes. I was maintaining a list of registered petitions at http://txti.es/clamour but haven't updated it for a while. PM me if you need something added to the list. Option 2 will stake your coins for you and will support the petition(s) you ask it to, but there's a 10% fee on all staking profits. If you need more details for any of this let me know what you need help with and I will attempt to make it clearer.
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January 07, 2016, 05:47:33 PM |
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There will be a full explanation and user guide available on the website once the client is squared-away.
I wonder if we should make an interim release with just Kef's CLAMour/CLAMspeech GUI changes merged in. xploited's "reindex" merge is big and largely untested. I don't know how long it will take before we are confident releasing it, or how we even get to that stage. Kef's changes are tiny in comparison - but maybe they depend on the changes I made which prompted the need for merging the reindex stuff in the first place. Also, I guess you have other stuff on your mind right now. Good luck with that! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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January 07, 2016, 09:33:02 PM |
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You could withdraw them and stake them yourself however.
Is it a relatively simple procedure? or perhaps a step by step guide available? The whole petition thing is quite over my head I'm afraid but I would love to vote =) I've not had the time to figure it out for myself either. Has anyone made a straight forward step by step guide somewhere for those who might need it? If you want to have your voice heard in the CLAMour system I think there are currently two options: 1) download and sync the CLAM client, withdraw your CLAMs from poloniex to your local wallet, set your CLAMspeech to support the petition(s) you like OR 2) make an account at Just-Dice.com, withdraw your CLAMs from poloniex to your Just-Dice deposit address, invest them in the JD bankroll and specify the petition(s) you support in the account tab. Option 1 is better in terms of decentralising the coin. Over 73% of all the CLAMs that have ever moved at currently at Just-Dice, which clearly not good in terms of having a robust decentralised network. But syncing the blockchain is kind of a pain, taking many hours or even days. I provide a bootstrap.dat file updated which helps a lot in getting your client synced up. The next release of the client will have direct support for CLAMour, but it isn't ready yet. The current release does let you specify your CLAMspeech. Set it to "clamour nnnnnnnn" where nnnnnnnn is the 8 digit code for the petition you support. You can specify multiple 8 digit codes; use a space to separate each pair of codes. I was maintaining a list of registered petitions at http://txti.es/clamour but haven't updated it for a while. PM me if you need something added to the list. Option 2 will stake your coins for you and will support the petition(s) you ask it to, but there's a 10% fee on all staking profits. If you need more details for any of this let me know what you need help with and I will attempt to make it clearer. Thanks very much for this Dooglus! At this stage is it looking like digging will be removed? and if so, when will the changes take place?
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January 07, 2016, 09:48:17 PM |
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Thanks very much for this Dooglus! At this stage is it looking like digging will be removed? and if so, when will the changes take place?
Some point after the vote gets past 50% - which I sincerely hope does not happen, though it seems sadly inevitable.
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January 08, 2016, 12:26:52 AM |
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Thanks very much for this Dooglus! At this stage is it looking like digging will be removed? and if so, when will the changes take place?
Some point after the vote gets past 50% - which I sincerely hope does not happen, though it seems sadly inevitable. Even if the removing staking vote gains a majority of stake support, it's not going to happen.
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January 08, 2016, 04:00:17 AM |
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Even if the removing staking vote gains a majority of stake support, it's not going to happen.
It seems very unlikely that stakers would vote to remove staking. Or did you mean "removing digging"? If so, why do you think that?
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i want node please my wallet stop 39 weeks before
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I have a question about clam,
If i check the blockchain explorer it says that clam have a total supply of 15 million , but at coinmarketcap it says 1,5 million
Whats the diffrence ?, cause its a huge diffrence between a $2 mill cap or $20 mil market cap what is right ?
Its because the initial distribution of clam, there is a lot of clams undug that dont cont in the supply on cmc. Also such a shame the mouthfuckdog lost its shares. so there in old wallets around and people can still dug them up ? meaning coins suply can increase fast? You can vote for e2ef93da. Its change for limit digging. (From my point of view lesser evil than removing digging)
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VultureFund
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January 08, 2016, 06:55:27 PM |
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Hhmmm... I think someone here is scared guys... ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Remember my words, fair Clams value is at under 0.0007 . Anything over that is just an overpriced scam. Don't say me thanks, It's my job to protect sheeps from the wolfs. PD: Contributions for the info are welcome. BTC: 1P9gGtngioFH7BirNXvjNPVfMPyRtCUezV
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