[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[dooglus]

I do not have the knowledge to read code to know how clam works.

The code is multi-threaded. So the part which loops through your own outputs checking whether they can stake runs in parallel with the part which accepts new blocks from peers.

Checking the staking wallet logs I do see that it continues to search its own outputs even if it accepts a block from a peer while searching. Here's an example:

starting stake
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 0
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 15000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 30000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 45000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() found no stake
stake took 4s

starting stake
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 0
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 15000
stake 1.00 for xB2ecbVboyD513HJfvzvxw3tuNfRcUVUXv; not mine
SetBestChain: new best=5b2e7337902bc3e230541d1c47f135cd23efb2b984bc744aac54a5f14161691e  height=1070779  trust=255420176884548245025  blocktrust=523267355223939  date=07/10/16 13:24:16
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 30000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 45000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() found no stake
stake took 2s

starting stake
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 0
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 15000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 30000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 45000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() found no stake
stake took 3s

In this case we didn't find a block, so the peer's block won. I'll see if I can find an example where JD found a block after hearing about one from a peer.

Edit: I can't find any. I suspect that although it continues looping through all the unspent outputs, accepting the peer's block has somehow made it such that no local stake will be accepted and so it's a waste of time to even continue searching in the current time slot.

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[kito]

>stake took 4s ... stake took 2s ...stake took 3s

Interesting that the stake times can vary this much.  I would assume on a fast PC this would be more consistent. 

Maybe consolidating the outputs to reduce hashing would help.

 

[dooglus]

This one staked 5 times in 8 days, despite only being worth 26 to 30 CLAMs for most of that time:

That one recently staked again, for 6 stakes in 17 days: (edit: 7 stakes in 19 days!)

84d121      -> 100 CLAM   1044120 (2016-06-21 22:14:24)
cbdfb7  100 ->  26 CLAM   1045413 (2016-06-22 18:53:20)
a799ea   26 ->  27 CLAM   1050053 (2016-06-26 00:42:40)
c6709f   27 ->  28 CLAM   1050991 (2016-06-26 16:32:00)
00d648   28 ->  29 CLAM   1052089 (2016-06-27 11:02:40)
e58636   29 ->  30 CLAM   1054628 (2016-06-29 05:42:24)
4170b5   30 ->  31 CLAM   1067683 (2016-07-08 09:20:16)
60ca71   31 ->  32 CLAM   1070634 (2016-07-10 10:57:52)

I'm still monitoring the JD staking wallet. It started out with 13k outputs of size 100 CLAMs each, and I set it to split to 25 CLAM outputs when it stakes. I counted the number of outputs of each size each morning, and plotted those counts on a log scale:



I'm not sure this is of interest to anyone other than myself but it's kind of pretty so I thought I'd post it anyway.

[tryphe]

 

Sweet!

[whenwhatwherewhyhow]

What is the max supply cap of CLAMS?

[dooglus]

What is the max supply cap of CLAMS?

There's one born every minute. What's the max supply cap of minutes?

Also, khashier.com seems to be down.

xploited?

[lovewiki]

Checking the staking wallet logs I do see that it continues to search its own outputs even if it accepts a block from a peer while searching. Here's an example:

starting stake
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 0
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 15000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 30000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 45000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() found no stake
stake took 4s

starting stake
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 0
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 15000
stake 1.00 for xB2ecbVboyD513HJfvzvxw3tuNfRcUVUXv; not mine
SetBestChain: new best=5b2e7337902bc3e230541d1c47f135cd23efb2b984bc744aac54a5f14161691e  height=1070779  trust=255420176884548245025  blocktrust=523267355223939  date=07/10/16 13:24:16
ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 30000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 45000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() found no stake
stake took 2s

starting stake
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 0
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 15000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 30000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() iteration 45000
CWallet::CreateCoinStake() found no stake
stake took 3s

In this case we didn't find a block, so the peer's block won. I'll see if I can find an example where JD found a block after hearing about one from a peer.

Edit: I can't find any. I suspect that although it continues looping through all the unspent outputs, accepting the peer's block has somehow made it such that no local stake will be accepted and so it's a waste of time to even continue searching in the current time slot.

My understanding is that if a new block is accepted then the client should try to find the next block based on this child, not based on the old child. Is CLAM not working like this?

[mo]

dooglus,Where can I see rich list?  Thank you!!

[bittamak]

dooglus,Where can I see rich list?  Thank you!!

Here... http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CLAM/richlist.php

[andulolika]

dooglus,Where can I see rich list?  Thank you!!

Here... http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CLAM/richlist.php

Huh it changed, the richlist used to be different so i checked the hyperlink in the jd chat but its the same.

[bittawm]

hey all,

does this mean pool operaters and exchanges will have heaps of clams from all the old addressses?

if so can we get our clams out from them or is it now their property?

Cheers

[andulolika]

hey all,

does this mean pool operaters and exchanges will have heaps of clams from all the old addressses?

if so can we get our clams out from them or is it now their property?

Cheers

You never owed the address, they were holding your money to you, but if you can convince them of giving you the private keys good luck, I tried contacting gox, lol.

[romjpn]

What is the max supply cap of CLAMS?

There's one born every minute. What's the max supply cap of minutes?

Also, khashier.com seems to be down.

xploited?

Maybe the community should be a bit clearer about it. Clam has no supply cap right ? Like DOGE or ETH.

[bittawm]

hey all,

does this mean pool operaters and exchanges will have heaps of clams from all the old addressses?

if so can we get our clams out from them or is it now their property?

Cheers

You never owed the address, they were holding your money to you, but if you can convince them of giving you the private keys good luck, I tried contacting gox, lol.

so some of these guys have thousands of addresses at 4.6 clams each...?

wow...good on them i guess haha

[BayAreaCoins]

hey all,

does this mean pool operaters and exchanges will have heaps of clams from all the old addressses?

if so can we get our clams out from them or is it now their property?

Cheers

You should email them and nicely explain there is more value attached to your private key that they held and you'd like to withdraw.

Maybe even offer them 10%...

It's worth asking.

Alternatively:

All they have to do is sign a key with the address that has CLAMS in order to begin staking them as I understand!  

Their pool could earn more for miners and places like Dragon Tales could pretty much decentralize Clamcoin over night.

[Tanglemymind]

2 questions...

1. Who stakes claims and how many claims will 1,000 mint?

2. What utility does claims have?

Thxs

[wttbs]

2 questions...

1. Who stakes claims and how many claims will 1,000 mint?

2. What utility does claims have?

Thxs

1. stake with 1300 Clams is about 1 clam a day

2. what do you mean by "utility" ?

[Tanglemymind]

2 questions...

1. Who stakes claims and how many claims will 1,000 mint?

2. What utility does claims have?

Thxs

1. stake with 1300 Clams is about 1 clam a day

2. what do you mean by "utility" ?

Thanks for the staking results.

Utility meaning what use does the clam blockchain have?

[dooglus]

1. stake with 1300 Clams is about 1 clam a day

Just-Dice is staking 1.428 million CLAMs and stakes about 1310 per day.

That means that each 1090 CLAMs stakes 1 per day.

Almost all the CLAMs in existence are on Just-Dice.com, so I guess it's fair to say most of the utility of CLAM is that site.

[zazarb]

1. stake with 1300 Clams is about 1 clam a day

Just-Dice is staking 1.428 million CLAMs and stakes about 1310 per day.

That means that each 1090 CLAMs stakes 1 per day.

Almost all the CLAMs in existence are on Just-Dice.com, so I guess it's fair to say most of the utility of CLAM is that site.

I also stake in just -dice, but by my calculations(since 11th July),
 only each ~1170 clams stakes 1 per day (including bankroll profit).
~7% too high uncertainty ?