[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[Vlada69]

Honestly speaking I cannot see what is reason for that coin (it is not only one coin without reason, coin just to make one more coin

as in human nature to have more

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[cointopper]

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[mike84.hn]

my synchronized wallet does not show the steaks either  in what can be the reason

I have the same problem. Anyone can help us?

[tangtang800]

Compared with other coins, clam's price is relatively stable, it is suitable for long-term investment projects.

[truong.bui45]

 used Bittrex recently, because Poloniex had problems with CLAMs. But you have to convert it first to/from Bitcoin.

[zazarb]

used Bittrex recently, because Poloniex had problems with CLAMs. But you have to convert it first to/from Bitcoin.

About what problems you talk? Just yesterday withdraw around 3000 clams from poloniex.

[crazyhonez000064]

I have heard a few complaints about yobit not withdrawing clam requests. any news on this?

[zazarb]

I have heard a few complaints about yobit not withdrawing clam requests. any news on this?

on yobit clams withdraw impossible for a very long time, I tried unsuccessfully myself many times.

[BayAreaCoins]

I have heard a few complaints about yobit not withdrawing clam requests. any news on this?

Polo works until it doesn't.

I had problems getting 1000 clams out a few months back, but eventually got them after 45 days of waiting...

I've been using bittrex and Luckygames.co for buying clams.  I prefer Luckygames instant withdraws and no ID requirements.

[gembitz]

Here....
https://www.dropbox.com/s/03aqrhnla5sca50/ClamNoDebug.rar

Thanks, but it doesn't work for me. As soon as I try to run the CLAM client I get an error and it quits:

2018-05-25 12:43:59 Clam version v1.4.17-139-gf0707d3 (2017-04-10 17:28:15 +0000)
2018-05-25 12:43:59 Using OpenSSL version OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014
2018-05-25 12:43:59 Default data directory /home/user/.clam
2018-05-25 12:43:59 Used data directory /home/user/.clam
2018-05-25 12:43:59 init message: Verifying database integrity...
2018-05-25 12:43:59 dbenv.open LogDir=/home/user/.clam/database ErrorFile=/home/user/.clam/db.log
2018-05-25 12:44:00 init message: Loading block index...
2018-05-25 12:44:00 Opening LevelDB in /home/user/.clam/txleveldb
2018-05-25 12:44:00 Transaction index version is 70509
2018-05-25 12:44:00 Opened LevelDB successfully
2018-05-25 12:44:00 ERROR: LoadBlockIndex() : unable to unserialize record : try running with -reindex
2018-05-25 12:44:00 : Error loading block index database : try running with -reindex
2018-05-25 12:44:00 Shutdown : In progress...
2018-05-25 12:44:00 StopNode()
2018-05-25 12:44:00 Shutdown : done

I used my own blk0001.dat, with this sha256sum:

510d0cabb4208d9a545a0e05fab2c0c29c225d699e0601a16b2891facbd2ce98  blk0001.dat

I guess it's the same as yours. Other than that I'm guessing we are using incompatible versions of leveldb.

Edit: how does the start of your debug.log look when it's failing? Do you see a different "transaction index version" number?

CLAM coming to https://freiexchange.com when? =)

[SteamboatG]

Hi Clam community.  

I quite like the Clam project so I wanted to help secure the network so I bought 30k clams to stake with.  On average my node gets around 24 clams a day. The problem however is that I lose between 3-8 Clams/day again, they disapear shortly after I found them and they show up as 'Conflicted' in the transaction list.  So on bad days I lose about 1/3 of my yield which is pretty frustrating to say the least.  Any suggestions?

I use the latest Clam client (1.4.17). WIN10.  Fast internet connection, 7th Gen. Intel i5,  fast SSD, 32 GB DDR4 RAM.


As a side question, why does the difficulty fluctuate so much compared to other staking coins?  Clams difficulty makes these cycles between 1.1 million and 1.8-2 million during a 24h period.  For a new person looking into staking clams it seems important to first follow the difficulty for weeks or you might be in for a surprise, underestimating the difficulty.  

I hope someone can help me fix my staking problem.  

Thank you.

[Miner2525]

I quite like the Clam project so I wanted to help secure the network so I bought 30k clams to stake with.  On average my node gets around 24 clams a day. The problem however is that I lose between 3-8 Clams/day again, they disapear shortly after I found them and they show up as 'Conflicted' in the transaction list.  So on bad days I lose about 1/3 of my yield which is pretty frustrating to say the least.  Any suggestions?

You lost out to other nodes that also mined the same block.  It's just one of those annoying things that PoS is infamous for.

[SteamboatG]

I quite like the Clam project so I wanted to help secure the network so I bought 30k clams to stake with.  On average my node gets around 24 clams a day. The problem however is that I lose between 3-8 Clams/day again, they disapear shortly after I found them and they show up as 'Conflicted' in the transaction list.  So on bad days I lose about 1/3 of my yield which is pretty frustrating to say the least.  Any suggestions?

You lost out to other nodes that also mined the same block.  It's just one of those annoying things that PoS is infamous for.

Thanks for the reply bro.

So I lose 1/3 of the yield I'm 'entitled' to?  That's just terrible.  So I have to buy like a bunch of Computers that act as support nodes, 50 of them or something, so when I find a clam the other 49 (within the home network) immediately broadcast it at almost the same time to the outside.  And so if the outside competition has less nodes, I win the Clam.

So it seems like an armsrace for support nodes, I wish I knew this before starting this moneysink.  Somebody should put that info on the first page in the clam introduction.


The guy from Just-Dice probably knows this and has an army of support nodes running. So it's basically his coin and newbs like me can only lose their money/profits.  

[chilly2k]

I quite like the Clam project so I wanted to help secure the network so I bought 30k clams to stake with.  On average my node gets around 24 clams a day. The problem however is that I lose between 3-8 Clams/day again, they disapear shortly after I found them and they show up as 'Conflicted' in the transaction list.  So on bad days I lose about 1/3 of my yield which is pretty frustrating to say the least.  Any suggestions?

You lost out to other nodes that also mined the same block.  It's just one of those annoying things that PoS is infamous for.

Thanks for the reply bro.

So I lose 1/3 of the yield I'm 'entitled' to?  That's just terrible.  So I have to buy like a bunch of Computers that act as support nodes, 50 of them or something, so when I find a clam the other 49 (within the home network) immediately broadcast it at almost the same time to the outside.  And so if the outside competition has less nodes, I win the Clam.

So it seems like an armsrace for support nodes, I wish I knew this before starting this moneysink.  Somebody should put that info on the first page in the clam introduction.


The guy from Just-Dice probably knows this and has an army of support nodes running. So it's basically his coin and newbs like me can only lose their money/profits.  

    I don't believe your actually losing anything.  The block that ended up orphaned, will simply continue to stake at the same weight it had prior to the orphan.  Next check your system clock, and make sure it's synced to an accurate time source.  I don't think having extra nodes would end up helping you.  I believe once you get a stake, the block gets a time stamp.  The earliest time stamp wins.     

[SteamboatG]

I quite like the Clam project so I wanted to help secure the network so I bought 30k clams to stake with.  On average my node gets around 24 clams a day. The problem however is that I lose between 3-8 Clams/day again, they disapear shortly after I found them and they show up as 'Conflicted' in the transaction list.  So on bad days I lose about 1/3 of my yield which is pretty frustrating to say the least.  Any suggestions?

You lost out to other nodes that also mined the same block.  It's just one of those annoying things that PoS is infamous for.

Thanks for the reply bro.

So I lose 1/3 of the yield I'm 'entitled' to?  That's just terrible.  So I have to buy like a bunch of Computers that act as support nodes, 50 of them or something, so when I find a clam the other 49 (within the home network) immediately broadcast it at almost the same time to the outside.  And so if the outside competition has less nodes, I win the Clam.

So it seems like an armsrace for support nodes, I wish I knew this before starting this moneysink.  Somebody should put that info on the first page in the clam introduction.


The guy from Just-Dice probably knows this and has an army of support nodes running. So it's basically his coin and newbs like me can only lose their money/profits.  

    I don't believe your actually losing anything.  The block that ended up orphaned, will simply continue to stake at the same weight it had prior to the orphan.  Next check your system clock, and make sure it's synced to an accurate time source.  I don't think having extra nodes would end up helping you.  I believe once you get a stake, the block gets a time stamp.  The earliest time stamp wins.    

Thanks for the tip on checking the system clock, I'll check on that right away.


I added 4 support nodes, so I will get back with my findings coming days.  First impression seems I lose less today, but might be coincidence we'll see, I only just finished installing them as I prepared for this test a few days ago, took some time to install the clients. So it's too soon to draw any conclusions.  If they get time stamped, it shouldn't make any difference like you say.  

EDIT: well it seems I do lose 1/3 of my profit as the difficulty/my stake = find time (on average 24 a day, so when 8 disapear I lose right?)  As in the protocol itself indicates I should get 24 a day but I only get 16 because 8 get taken away, how is that not losing profit/losing my reward for help securing the chain?  I wouldn't bother if it's like 1 clam once in a while, but losing between 3-8 out of 24/day is not acceptable.

[chilly2k]

I quite like the Clam project so I wanted to help secure the network so I bought 30k clams to stake with.  On average my node gets around 24 clams a day. The problem however is that I lose between 3-8 Clams/day again, they disapear shortly after I found them and they show up as 'Conflicted' in the transaction list.  So on bad days I lose about 1/3 of my yield which is pretty frustrating to say the least.  Any suggestions?

You lost out to other nodes that also mined the same block.  It's just one of those annoying things that PoS is infamous for.

Thanks for the reply bro.

So I lose 1/3 of the yield I'm 'entitled' to?  That's just terrible.  So I have to buy like a bunch of Computers that act as support nodes, 50 of them or something, so when I find a clam the other 49 (within the home network) immediately broadcast it at almost the same time to the outside.  And so if the outside competition has less nodes, I win the Clam.

So it seems like an armsrace for support nodes, I wish I knew this before starting this moneysink.  Somebody should put that info on the first page in the clam introduction.


The guy from Just-Dice probably knows this and has an army of support nodes running. So it's basically his coin and newbs like me can only lose their money/profits.  

    I don't believe your actually losing anything.  The block that ended up orphaned, will simply continue to stake at the same weight it had prior to the orphan.  Next check your system clock, and make sure it's synced to an accurate time source.  I don't think having extra nodes would end up helping you.  I believe once you get a stake, the block gets a time stamp.  The earliest time stamp wins.    

Thanks for the tip on checking the system clock, I'll check on that right away.


I added 4 support nodes, so I will get back with my findings coming days.  First impression seems I lose less today, but might be coincidence we'll see, I only just finished installing them as I prepared for this test a few days ago, took some time to install the clients. So it's too soon to draw any conclusions.  If they get time stamped, it shouldn't make any difference like you say.  

EDIT: well it seems I do lose 1/3 of my profit as the difficulty/my stake = find time (on average 24 a day, so when 8 disapear I lose right?)  As in the protocol itself indicates I should get 24 a day but I only get 16 because 8 get taken away, how is that not losing profit/losing my reward for help securing the chain?  I wouldn't bother if it's like 1 clam once in a while, but losing between 3-8 out of 24/day is not acceptable.

   You should get 24 valid stakes per day.  If you got 8 orphans, you should see 24 +8 or 32 transactions, of which only 24 are valid.  But this is just on average.  So I wouldn't look at just one day at a time. look at your average over a week, or 2, or a month.  That should show you closer to the 24 per day average.  I don't stake Clams anymore, but when I did I remember the daily average fluctuated quite a bit, but seemed to average out when you looked at it over the longer periods.   

   Let us all know if adding the nodes helped or not. 

[SteamboatG]

I quite like the Clam project so I wanted to help secure the network so I bought 30k clams to stake with.  On average my node gets around 24 clams a day. The problem however is that I lose between 3-8 Clams/day again, they disapear shortly after I found them and they show up as 'Conflicted' in the transaction list.  So on bad days I lose about 1/3 of my yield which is pretty frustrating to say the least.  Any suggestions?

You lost out to other nodes that also mined the same block.  It's just one of those annoying things that PoS is infamous for.

Thanks for the reply bro.

So I lose 1/3 of the yield I'm 'entitled' to?  That's just terrible.  So I have to buy like a bunch of Computers that act as support nodes, 50 of them or something, so when I find a clam the other 49 (within the home network) immediately broadcast it at almost the same time to the outside.  And so if the outside competition has less nodes, I win the Clam.

So it seems like an armsrace for support nodes, I wish I knew this before starting this moneysink.  Somebody should put that info on the first page in the clam introduction.


The guy from Just-Dice probably knows this and has an army of support nodes running. So it's basically his coin and newbs like me can only lose their money/profits.  

    I don't believe your actually losing anything.  The block that ended up orphaned, will simply continue to stake at the same weight it had prior to the orphan.  Next check your system clock, and make sure it's synced to an accurate time source.  I don't think having extra nodes would end up helping you.  I believe once you get a stake, the block gets a time stamp.  The earliest time stamp wins.    

Thanks for the tip on checking the system clock, I'll check on that right away.


I added 4 support nodes, so I will get back with my findings coming days.  First impression seems I lose less today, but might be coincidence we'll see, I only just finished installing them as I prepared for this test a few days ago, took some time to install the clients. So it's too soon to draw any conclusions.  If they get time stamped, it shouldn't make any difference like you say.  

EDIT: well it seems I do lose 1/3 of my profit as the difficulty/my stake = find time (on average 24 a day, so when 8 disapear I lose right?)  As in the protocol itself indicates I should get 24 a day but I only get 16 because 8 get taken away, how is that not losing profit/losing my reward for help securing the chain?  I wouldn't bother if it's like 1 clam once in a while, but losing between 3-8 out of 24/day is not acceptable.

   You should get 24 valid stakes per day.  If you got 8 orphans, you should see 24 +8 or 32 transactions, of which only 24 are valid.  But this is just on average.  So I wouldn't look at just one day at a time. look at your average over a week, or 2, or a month.  That should show you closer to the 24 per day average.  I don't stake Clams anymore, but when I did I remember the daily average fluctuated quite a bit, but seemed to average out when you looked at it over the longer periods.    

   Let us all know if adding the nodes helped or not.  

The problem is it doesn't make up for the orphans so I just see the '24' transactions which includes the ones I lost, there are no '32' in the list of transactions at the end of the day.  Been staking for like 2 weeks so I have data of 14 days and it averages out on 24/day (including the lost ones).

I can already confirm that the extra nodes theory is not valid, I already lost 2 again in a few hours.  So my apologies if I stepped on someone's toes for entertaining the idea.

I changed the clock now, hopefully that fixes it. If so I'll send you a pm and you can give me your bitcoin donation address if you want, so I can express my appreciation.  Cheers.  

[SteamboatG]

Changed the clock to nist.gov from internet time, but it didn't fix the problem unfortunately.  I already lost a couple more today.

Interestingly, I don't have the problem on Radium which I'm staking as well (on the same pc) and it has a 1 minute block time as well if I'm not mistaken.  So similar staking coins, but staking Clams I lose 3-8 per day, while I haven't lost a single Rads in months.  Both have QT-based wallets.

[gjhiggins]

Interestingly, I don't have the problem on Radium .... Both have QT-based wallets.

Nothing significant about that, they are both clones of Bitcoin, so they both inherit the Bitcoin QT wallet. Perhaps of more signifiance is a clear indicator that the coins use different codebases, vitiating the relevance of anything other than a detailed technical comparative analysis.

Radium 1.4.7 includes the following updates:

Improved peer discovery and sync speed
Partial bitcoin 0.11 code rebase
Increased op_return size
Fix supply hard cap

Cheers

Graham

[hp162133]

used Bittrex recently, because Poloniex had problems with CLAMs. But you have to convert it first to/from Bitcoin.

About what problems you talk? Just yesterday withdraw around 3000 clams from poloniex.

Me too, I withdrawed my coins from Poloniex exchange yesterday without issues.
Yesterday, CLAM did not witnessed any maintenance in Poloniex exchange.
It is not really related, but today bitcoin has performed well and might keep rising next hours.