[XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos

[Come-In-Behind]

This tech already exists in another currency which have this as their primary focus. I like the idea. But now you will fundraise this tech "again"? Great plans are good, but its taking away the focus on XC which is a excellent currency. And now i am starting to get worried, and the reason for this is that i have seen these great plans before in other context where talented people have lost their focus because they want to much. In 90% the plans are spinning out of control. In this case i am concerned that XC will loose ground.

More and more people are noticing this, and the answer that they get "trust us, its best for XC" like some sort of elitistic elite. BUT, if you do not have the peoples support in this you will loose. This is not some experiment, people invest real money into this.. im supporting wtih 1900XC, not much. But when 100 people with the same amount starting to get as confused as i am regarding Dan`s involvement in other currencys and this great plans, poeple will cash out.

I just responded to you. No need to repost.

Here is my response again:


That's like saying that the internet takes away focus from Google.

It doesn't. It enables Google to thrive.

Focus has *not* been lost. A huge userbase for XC has been gained.

You should all setup Xmixers right now. :-)

I think there is many more investors concerned the same way - that is why price is slowly sinking.

I don't want to talk about theory, let's learn on history.

Short example. Nicolas Tesla was a briliant guy. He invented a lot of devices which we use today. But he died in poverty, because he didn't care about people and investors (putting simple: PR). But Edison did care about people and investors. He was not brilliant, but he's company - General Eletric exists till today. Eidosn didn't die in poverty. Tesla did, because he woas focused only on "the thing" not "the people".

Besides I have seen many times good invention may loos with worse one, when there is great sales force and PR working on the other solution. You may have genious device, but it will die if not carrying about support.

I'm a tech guy also and I know people like me have more focus to things then people, but after all the oposite counts - people.

Conclusion is:
1) not paying attention to users (user friendly easy to install wallet)
+
2) not carrying about PR, centralised exchanges and investors
result = this great tech will loose with competitors.

I like this coin and still am an investor, but I feel not only technical things are that needs to be done. I simple observed this by my own that sometimes PR and connection is more important then genious device/code/concept and the poor concept win many times, because someone carrying about connections with people stays behind the poor concept he wins.

This is a curse of inteligent people, they don't even understant it's important
And then less inteligent, but having good selling skills (people oriented) survive with their sh*t solutions. That's why the world looks like it looks generally.

You are correct about PR. Just getting the word out there.

[synechist]

- In order for a coin to become part of the Blocknet, its developers will need to code the XBridge into it and release an updated wallet. So not just anyone can add a coin to the Blocknet.

Why it needs to be the developers of xyz coin that can only do this? If the source is open, anyone can mod a wallet and release it. You could add bitcoin to blocknet, right?

Yes, you're completely right about that. You'd just need to persuade people to download your alternative wallet. That might be tricky though. :-)

[illodin]

- In order for a coin to become part of the Blocknet, its developers will need to code the XBridge into it and release an updated wallet. So not just anyone can add a coin to the Blocknet.

Why it needs to be the developers of xyz coin that can only do this? If the source is open, anyone can mod a wallet and release it. You could add bitcoin to blocknet, right?

Yes, you're completely right about that. You'd just need to persuade people to download your alternative wallet. That might be tricky though. :-)

Just those who want to use the blocknet.

[holyprofit]

[snip]

I don't want to talk about theory, let's learn on history.

Short example. Nicolas Tesla was a briliant guy. He invented a lot of devices which we use today. But he died in poverty, because he didn't care about people and investors (putting simple: PR). But Edison did care about people and investors. He was not brilliant, but he's company - General Eletric exists till today. Eidosn didn't die in poverty. Tesla did, because he woas focused only on "the thing" not "the people".

You can usually read whatever you like into history - e.g. if Edison had followed your argument then he may have decided to focus too early on his core skill of telegraphy.
I agree Tesla was killed by his investors but basically because he was shafted by Edison. (I could equally use that to argue that being at the centre of technical developments and having lots of friends is crucial).  

[dadon]

This tech already exists in another currency which have this as their primary focus. I like the idea. But now you will fundraise this tech "again"? Great plans are good, but its taking away the focus on XC which is a excellent currency. And now i am starting to get worried, and the reason for this is that i have seen these great plans before in other context where talented people have lost their focus because they want to much. In 90% the plans are spinning out of control. In this case i am concerned that XC will loose ground.

More and more people are noticing this, and the answer that they get "trust us, its best for XC" like some sort of elitistic elite. BUT, if you do not have the peoples support in this you will loose. This is not some experiment, people invest real money into this.. im supporting wtih 1900XC, not much. But when 100 people with the same amount starting to get as confused as i am regarding Dan`s involvement in other currencys and this great plans, poeple will cash out.

I just responded to you. No need to repost.

Here is my response again:


That's like saying that the internet takes away focus from Google.

It doesn't. It enables Google to thrive.

Focus has *not* been lost. A huge userbase for XC has been gained.

You should all setup Xmixers right now. :-)

I think there is many more investors concerned the same way - that is why price is slowly sinking.

I don't want to talk about theory, let's learn on history.

Short example. Nicolas Tesla was a briliant guy. He invented a lot of devices which we use today. But he died in poverty, because he didn't care about people and investors (putting simple: PR). But Edison did care about people and investors. He was not brilliant, but he's company - General Eletric exists till today. Eidosn didn't die in poverty. Tesla did, because he woas focused only on "the thing" not "the people".

Besides I have seen many times good invention may loos with worse one, when there is great sales force and PR working on the other solution. You may have genious device, but it will die if not carrying about support.

I'm a tech guy also and I know people like me have more focus to things then people, but after all the oposite counts - people.

Conclusion is:
1) not paying attention to users (user friendly easy to install wallet)
+
2) not carrying about PR, centralised exchanges and investors
result = this great tech will loose with competitors.

I like this coin and still am an investor, but I feel not only technical things are that needs to be done. I simple observed this by my own that sometimes PR and connection is more important then genious device/code/concept and the poor concept win many times, because someone carrying about connections with people stays behind the poor concept he wins.

This is a curse of inteligent people, they don't even understant it's important
And then less inteligent, but having good selling skills (people oriented) survive with their sh*t solutions. That's why the world looks like it looks generally.

Tesla worked for Edison and the reason Edison was rich and Tesla was poor was because Tesla got ripped the fuck off by Edison, Tesla invented AC Edison DC, Edison electrocuted an elephant in central park New York just to discredit Tesla...Edison was an ASSHOLE!

[holyprofit]

[snip ]

 Tesla worked for Edison and the reason Edison was rich and Tesla was poor was because Tesla got ripped the fuck off by Edison, Tesla invented AC Edison DC, Edison electrocuted an elephant in central park New York just to discredit Tesla...Edison was an ASSHOLE!

+1 ^ this! 

[hoertest]

Right, which brings me back to my point, that all of this is happening already just not in as a coordinated way. The bridge just wishes to consolidate and cultivate more competition, i.e communities will get more toxic ect ect not only that but this is already happening. So my idea stands out as more appealing then ever. One being, that all of this can be done without Xbridge but by bringing the innovative developers and their communities together in a foundation that does not really require an opt in/out network model or a centralised authority of code and maintenance in the form of a Xbridge but one more simpler and less expensive yet just as powerful if not more with its ability to call on resource in a less limiting but more coordinated way. A simple Altcoin foundation.

You can't coordinate decentralistaion. a foundation doesn't serve the user. xbride does by giving them a gateway a foundation never will. thats decentralisation. Xbridge is to the Blockchains what the Blockchain is to the user. how could a foundation increase my Xmixer revenue. it can't.

Illodins idea is right and i hope will get reality. every coin can offer his services that way but nobody is ever forced to use them. thats the internet, ...., of Blockchains. People actually shouldn't make such a big deal of who joins and who doesn't. i hope everybody does, the more the better. every coin with a fee structure should join in anyway. thats why i hope to see Dark in to. the competition for fees is still in place on or of the Blocknet, the Blocknet just increases the user base by a landslide. if i hade a masternode i would hope for the xbridge to come to drk. why not. thats not giving in or joining forces. competition is still happening. just on a bigger scale.

[jibble]

This tech already exists in another currency which have this as their primary focus. I like the idea. But now you will fundraise this tech "again"? Great plans are good, but its taking away the focus on XC which is a excellent currency. And now i am starting to get worried, and the reason for this is that i have seen these great plans before in other context where talented people have lost their focus because they want to much. In 90% the plans are spinning out of control. In this case i am concerned that XC will loose ground.

More and more people are noticing this, and the answer that they get "trust us, its best for XC" like some sort of elitistic elite. BUT, if you do not have the peoples support in this you will loose. This is not some experiment, people invest real money into this.. im supporting wtih 1900XC, not much. But when 100 people with the same amount starting to get as confused as i am regarding Dan`s involvement in other currencys and this great plans, poeple will cash out.

I just responded to you. No need to repost.

Here is my response again:


That's like saying that the internet takes away focus from Google.

It doesn't. It enables Google to thrive.

Focus has *not* been lost. A huge userbase for XC has been gained.

You should all setup Xmixers right now. :-)

I think there is many more investors concerned the same way - that is why price is slowly sinking.

I don't want to talk about theory, let's learn on history.

Short example. Nicolas Tesla was a briliant guy. He invented a lot of devices which we use today. But he died in poverty, because he didn't care about people and investors (putting simple: PR). But Edison did care about people and investors. He was not brilliant, but he's company - General Eletric exists till today. Eidosn didn't die in poverty. Tesla did, because he woas focused only on "the thing" not "the people".

Besides I have seen many times good invention may loos with worse one, when there is great sales force and PR working on the other solution. You may have genious device, but it will die if not carrying about support.

I'm a tech guy also and I know people like me have more focus to things then people, but after all the oposite counts - people.

Conclusion is:
1) not paying attention to users (user friendly easy to install wallet)
+
2) not carrying about PR, centralised exchanges and investors
result = this great tech will loose with competitors.

I like this coin and still am an investor, but I feel not only technical things are that needs to be done. I simple observed this by my own that sometimes PR and connection is more important then genious device/code/concept and the poor concept win many times, because someone carrying about connections with people stays behind the poor concept he wins.

This is a curse of inteligent people, they don't even understant it's important
And then less inteligent, but having good selling skills (people oriented) survive with their sh*t solutions. That's why the world looks like it looks generally.

Tesla worked for Edison and the reason Edison was rich and Tesla was poor was because Tesla got ripped the fuck off by Edison, Tesla invented AC Edison DC, Edison electrocuted an elephant in central park New York just to discredit Tesla...Edison was an ASSHOLE!

Lets not forget , Edison owning a huge electric company, says to tesla "i will pay you millions to completely change build on and improve the infrastructure of the electric grid. TESLA does this and once completed edison says "oh you must not understand america humour or sarcasm , some bullshit like that. This moment in his life is what caused his HUGE mistrust of authority

This same thing caused edison and tesla to have conflict throughout their lives, There was even a chance for the both of them Together jointly 1 year to get a nobel prize, Their hate for each other caused neither one to get it. SO infact proves that collaboration would of hugely benefited the both of them

When they collaborated they created amazing things. When tesla died his worst regret was the animosity he held towards edison preventing him for further is own discovery and knowledge , that his battle against edison made him poor and penniless


His lack of willing to collaborate/ be part of something else/ working together  was what got him in his situation of being poor



This could also be argued

CONFLICT AND FIGHTING COSTS VALUABLE RESOURCES , WORKING TOGETHER MULTIPLIES AND GROWS AND SPREADS RESOURCES FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL INVOLVED

[hashxtag]

This tech already exists in another currency which have this as their primary focus. I like the idea. But now you will fundraise this tech "again"? Great plans are good, but its taking away the focus on XC which is a excellent currency. And now i am starting to get worried, and the reason for this is that i have seen these great plans before in other context where talented people have lost their focus because they want to much. In 90% the plans are spinning out of control. In this case i am concerned that XC will loose ground.

More and more people are noticing this, and the answer that they get "trust us, its best for XC" like some sort of elitistic elite. BUT, if you do not have the peoples support in this you will loose. This is not some experiment, people invest real money into this.. im supporting wtih 1900XC, not much. But when 100 people with the same amount starting to get as confused as i am regarding Dan`s involvement in other currencys and this great plans, poeple will cash out.

I just responded to you. No need to repost.

Here is my response again:


That's like saying that the internet takes away focus from Google.

It doesn't. It enables Google to thrive.

Focus has *not* been lost. A huge userbase for XC has been gained.

You should all setup Xmixers right now. :-)

I think there is many more investors concerned the same way - that is why price is slowly sinking.

I don't want to talk about theory, let's learn on history.

Short example. Nicolas Tesla was a briliant guy. He invented a lot of devices which we use today. But he died in poverty, because he didn't care about people and investors (putting simple: PR). But Edison did care about people and investors. He was not brilliant, but he's company - General Eletric exists till today. Eidosn didn't die in poverty. Tesla did, because he woas focused only on "the thing" not "the people".

Besides I have seen many times good invention may loos with worse one, when there is great sales force and PR working on the other solution. You may have genious device, but it will die if not carrying about support.

I'm a tech guy also and I know people like me have more focus to things then people, but after all the oposite counts - people.

Conclusion is:
1) not paying attention to users (user friendly easy to install wallet)
+
2) not carrying about PR, centralised exchanges and investors
result = this great tech will loose with competitors.

I like this coin and still am an investor, but I feel not only technical things are that needs to be done. I simple observed this by my own that sometimes PR and connection is more important then genious device/code/concept and the poor concept win many times, because someone carrying about connections with people stays behind the poor concept he wins.

This is a curse of inteligent people, they don't even understant it's important
And then less inteligent, but having good selling skills (people oriented) survive with their sh*t solutions. That's why the world looks like it looks generally.

Tesla worked for Edison and the reason Edison was rich and Tesla was poor was because Tesla got ripped the fuck off by Edison, Tesla invented AC Edison DC, Edison electrocuted an elephant in central park New York just to discredit Tesla...Edison was an ASSHOLE!

Lets not forget , Edison owning a huge electric company, says to tesla "i will pay you millions to completely change build on and improve the infrastructure of the electric grid. TESLA does this and once completed edison says "oh you must not understand america humour or sarcasm , some bullshit like that. This moment in his life is what caused his HUGE mistrust of authority

This same thing caused edison and tesla to have conflict throughout their lives, There was even a chance for the both of them Together jointly 1 year to get a nobel prize, Their hate for each other caused neither one to get it. SO infact proves that collaboration would of hugely benefited the both of them

When they collaborated they created amazing things. When tesla died his worst regret was the animosity he held towards edison preventing him for further is own discovery and knowledge , that his battle against edison made him poor and penniless


His lack of willing to collaborate/ be part of something else/ working together  was what got him in his situation of being poor



This could also be argued

CONFLICT AND FIGHTING COSTS VALUABLE RESOURCES , WORKING TOGETHER MULTIPLIES AND GROWS AND SPREADS RESOURCES FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL INVOLVED

Ok agree, that example may be interpreted differently, but what I'm saying is good PR and care of informing and listening to people and investors can do much more then a brilliant solution.
Beside we see many currencies which are less advance and have much bigger CAP. And maybe they will colapse one day, but there is also a lot of competition which is sometimes also quite good. That's why I'm thinking that who will do better in PR will win.
And we also have a proof that carrying about peolple and building society works for cryptos: DogeCoin
And proof PR (getting exchanges attention) is a powerfull wepon: BlackCoin.

So the first coin which will be advanced enough (not need to be best), user friendly, with good PR and people support will be the one which will stay, even if it won't be the best one.

People are lazy, thats why PR is needed to get reach them. Sometimes we dont know we need a new better thing, before someone show us we can do better.

[atcsecure]

This tech already exists in another currency which have this as their primary focus. I like the idea. But now you will fundraise this tech "again"? Great plans are good, but its taking away the focus on XC which is a excellent currency. And now i am starting to get worried, and the reason for this is that i have seen these great plans before in other context where talented people have lost their focus because they want to much. In 90% the plans are spinning out of control. In this case i am concerned that XC will loose ground.

More and more people are noticing this, and the answer that they get "trust us, its best for XC" like some sort of elitistic elite. BUT, if you do not have the peoples support in this you will loose. This is not some experiment, people invest real money into this.. im supporting wtih 1900XC, not much. But when 100 people with the same amount starting to get as confused as i am regarding Dan`s involvement in other currencys and this great plans, poeple will cash out.

I just responded to you. No need to repost.

Here is my response again:


That's like saying that the internet takes away focus from Google.

It doesn't. It enables Google to thrive.

Focus has *not* been lost. A huge userbase for XC has been gained.

You should all setup Xmixers right now. :-)

I think there is many more investors concerned the same way - that is why price is slowly sinking.

I don't want to talk about theory, let's learn on history.

Short example. Nicolas Tesla was a briliant guy. He invented a lot of devices which we use today. But he died in poverty, because he didn't care about people and investors (putting simple: PR). But Edison did care about people and investors. He was not brilliant, but he's company - General Eletric exists till today. Eidosn didn't die in poverty. Tesla did, because he woas focused only on "the thing" not "the people".

Besides I have seen many times good invention may loos with worse one, when there is great sales force and PR working on the other solution. You may have genious device, but it will die if not carrying about support.

I'm a tech guy also and I know people like me have more focus to things then people, but after all the oposite counts - people.

Conclusion is:
1) not paying attention to users (user friendly easy to install wallet)
+
2) not carrying about PR, centralised exchanges and investors
result = this great tech will loose with competitors.

I like this coin and still am an investor, but I feel not only technical things are that needs to be done. I simple observed this by my own that sometimes PR and connection is more important then genious device/code/concept and the poor concept win many times, because someone carrying about connections with people stays behind the poor concept he wins.

This is a curse of inteligent people, they don't even understant it's important
And then less inteligent, but having good selling skills (people oriented) survive with their sh*t solutions. That's why the world looks like it looks generally.

Are you saying the XC Installer isn't user friendly and easy to use?   XC is one of the very FEW coins with 1-click installer package

[atcsecure]

The entire summer, I watched the XC thread and there were many points where people were dissatisfied.  Why?  Because they were expecting a pump.  They were expecting something right then and there.  But I also saw continued development.  Relevant tech doesn't just get built over night and XC didn't get built over night.  I wonder what would have happened if XC had delivered REV1 and been happy?  We would have continued from coin to coin with many scams and much volatility.  Instead, we have a solid foundation that is looking like that "Bulletproof" claim is going to hold water.  Not only that, we have a coin that is set-up to distribute content in the near future.  The base is there and the tech is going to be something that I will use...much less other coins that I have invested in and then bailed on because I didn't see think that the dev had vision beyond a flavor of the month feature (not to diss them, I feel the crypto currency community is the largest R&D movement of our time and aside from obvious scams we need all of the input we can get).

Which brings me to my next point.  The coins on the list have unique features that can not only benefit XC but other coins...and ultimately the end user.  Util is working on programing how to filter malicious content to avoid risk to people who use their VPN (and now Blocknet).  SSD came up with stenographic transactions - coin movement embedded in pictures taken from pictures that you take from your smart phone.  XST has some pretty awesome SMS capabilities.  Fibre beat keylogging programs by creating an android like swiping pattern password for their wallet and have also released their own OS.  LXC decided to work on sidechains (sidechains!).  And my mentions aren't the sole focus of any coin I referenced or the full spectrum of what the combined dev force of all the coins included are capable of.  But these are all features that people want to use...and while I speak for myself, I think that they can come up with features that I and others will want to use.

Enabling the devs of each coin to work on what they do best to create something that will work together and bring an ultimately friendly and secure user experience is awesome. I don't see a joke here.  I see the beginning of another development process that will create the foundation for more innovation...and everyone working together only gets us there faster.  

Excellent Post - and great summary of some of the tech these coins are working on

[dadon]

just imagine how easy it would be to scrap up funding for top advertisement for XBridge  all the coins involved each team chucks a few hundred bucks in all get awesome exposure and pay a minimum fee..just one small advantage of this collaboration..But even though this is just one small advantage, Advertisement is the make or break in everything..imagine Dogecoin without Advertisement, you wouldn't know what it was...XBridge should be the creme de la creme of crypto only the best involved, only the best remain a part of it, and we can use this collaboration to take it to the next level and beyond!..i see big things if this is done correctly...we should limit the number of coins involved in this XBridge..ONLY THE BEST!! they need to be vetted and investigated thoroughly.

[LongAndShort]

just imagine how easy it would be to scrap up funding for top advertisement for XBridge  all the coins involved each team chucks a few hundred bucks in all get awesome exposure and pay a minimum fee..just one small advantage of this collaboration.

Yes this happens often in the world, they all come under an umbrella to pool resources. Most car salesmen do it and work under an umbrella name to market but only a few usually really benefit from it all while the rest are left with the hope of exposure.

[Conurtrol]

Dan, can you confirm that Xchat is a part of Xcurrency and any benefits from Xchat will go to Xcurrency owners and not Blocknet or XCinc owners?

[Mountaingoat]

Can you explain to me in a simple way what the advantage will be of using the Blocknet?

[atcsecure]

Dan, can you confirm that Xchat is a part of Xcurrency and any benefits from Xchat will go to Xcurrency owners and not Blocknet or XCinc owners?

That is correct to a point, as one of the potential functions of XC Inc would be to have a legitimate corp structure in replace to reward xc holders if XChat was sold off...    So XC Inc holders would benefit directly from that sale, this is why XC Holders are entitled to a share of XC Inc itself

[Conurtrol]

Dan, can you confirm that Xchat is a part of Xcurrency and any benefits from Xchat will go to Xcurrency owners and not Blocknet or XCinc owners?

That is correct to a point, as one of the potential functions of XC Inc would be to have a legitimate corp structure in replace to reward xc holders if XChat was sold off...    So XC Inc holders would benefit directly from that sale, this is why XC Holders are entitled to a share of XC Inc itself

Will current Xcurrency owners have their equity in XChat be diluted at all by the creation of XCinc?

[dadon]

just imagine how easy it would be to scrap up funding for top advertisement for XBridge  all the coins involved each team chucks a few hundred bucks in all get awesome exposure and pay a minimum fee..just one small advantage of this collaboration.

Yes this happens often in the world, they all come under an umbrella to pool resources. Most car salesmen do it and work under an umbrella name to market but only a few usually really benefit from it all while the rest are left with the hope of exposure.

I have added to my post since your response, but i just wanted to say..most of us here( including you) are not used cars salesman, we are pioneers of liberty embracing technology and revolutionary's and when the people who are here for the money move on we will still be here..and there are a lot more of us then there are of them, so relax..most of us here are very like minded.  

[atcsecure]

Dan, can you confirm that Xchat is a part of Xcurrency and any benefits from Xchat will go to Xcurrency owners and not Blocknet or XCinc owners?

That is correct to a point, as one of the potential functions of XC Inc would be to have a legitimate corp structure in replace to reward xc holders if XChat was sold off...    So XC Inc holders would benefit directly from that sale, this is why XC Holders are entitled to a share of XC Inc itself

Will current Xcurrency owners have their equity in XChat be diluted at all by the creation of XCinc?

While I think there is some risk in minor dilution, but that is the cost of doing business and also bringing XChat [and potentially other s/w] to market

[LongAndShort]

just imagine how easy it would be to scrap up funding for top advertisement for XBridge  all the coins involved each team chucks a few hundred bucks in all get awesome exposure and pay a minimum fee..just one small advantage of this collaboration.

Yes this happens often in the world, they all come under an umbrella to pool resources. Most car salesmen do it and work under an umbrella name to market but only a few usually really benefit from it all while the rest are left with the hope of exposure.

I have added to my post since your response, but i just wanted to say..most of us here( including you) are not used cars salesman, we are pioneers of liberty embracing technology and revolutionary's and when the people who are here for the money move on we will still be here..and there are a lot more of us then there are of them, so relax..most of us here are very like minded. 

Haha i love you mate, carry on