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August 18, 2015, 05:40:57 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

The fact that this debate has turned very early on into character assassination and personality contests tells the whole story.

Gavin, Mike & their supporters have made it a political battle that necessarily undermine their arguments and ultimately weaken their position. Fortunately this will only serve to make Bitcoin stronger as their failure shall serve as a cautionary tale to any personalities trying to mold Bitcoin to their image.

"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
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August 18, 2015, 05:41:53 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

Central authority like the bitcoin core devs?

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August 18, 2015, 05:44:36 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

Central authority like the bitcoin core devs?

The core devs have historically worked using a consensus based model of decision making. Gavin & Mike are the ones attempting to force through a contentious fork.

"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
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August 18, 2015, 05:48:52 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

Central authority like the bitcoin core devs?

The core devs have historically worked using a consensus based model of decision making. Gavin & Mike are the ones attempting to force through a contentious fork.

Explain how this works exactly.  Will gavin and Mike visit each miner, put a gun to their head, and force them to switch to XT.  Explain what mechanism they will use to force miners and users to upgrade to XT against their will.

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August 18, 2015, 05:53:28 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

Central authority like the bitcoin core devs?

The core devs have historically worked using a consensus based model of decision making. Gavin & Mike are the ones attempting to force through a contentious fork.

Explain how this works exactly.  Will gavin and Mike visit each miner, put a gun to their head, and force them to switch to XT.  Explain what mechanism they will use to force miners and users to upgrade to XT against their will.

The issue is not whether they will succeed or not. It's about undermining the value of the original decision model using fear & propaganda.

"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
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August 18, 2015, 05:57:33 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

Central authority like the bitcoin core devs?

The core devs have historically worked using a consensus based model of decision making. Gavin & Mike are the ones attempting to force through a contentious fork.

Explain how this works exactly.  Will gavin and Mike visit each miner, put a gun to their head, and force them to switch to XT.  Explain what mechanism they will use to force miners and users to upgrade to XT against their will.

The issue is not whether they will succeed or not. It's about undermining the value of the original decision model using fear & propaganda.

So gavin and Mike are using "fear and propaganda" to force miners and users to upgrade to XT against their will.  Wow.  You guys are stooping to new lows, just when I thought you couldn't get any lower.

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August 18, 2015, 05:59:24 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

Central authority like the bitcoin core devs?

The core devs have historically worked using a consensus based model of decision making. Gavin & Mike are the ones attempting to force through a contentious fork.

Explain how this works exactly.  Will gavin and Mike visit each miner, put a gun to their head, and force them to switch to XT.  Explain what mechanism they will use to force miners and users to upgrade to XT against their will.

The issue is not whether they will succeed or not. It's about undermining the value of the original decision model using fear & propaganda.

So gavin and Mike are using "fear and propaganda" to force miners and users to upgrade to XT against their will.  Wow.  You guys are stooping to new lows, just when I thought you couldn't get any lower.

You should make peace with this because I have much worst thing to say about Gavin & Mike. A lot of ugly will come out of that story and you should eventually feel very sorry your ever held USGavin in esteem

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August 18, 2015, 06:11:28 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

You're joking, right?
Is there anyone that really thinks that Satoshi wrote that?
Even though I largely agree with what was written, it should be considered simply "anonymous".

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August 18, 2015, 06:13:09 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

You're joking, right?
Is there anyone that really thinks that Satoshi wrote that?

Yes there is. I'm not saying I do.
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August 18, 2015, 06:13:53 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

Central authority like the bitcoin core devs?

The core devs have historically worked using a consensus based model of decision making. Gavin & Mike are the ones attempting to force through a contentious fork.

Explain how this works exactly.  Will gavin and Mike visit each miner, put a gun to their head, and force them to switch to XT.  Explain what mechanism they will use to force miners and users to upgrade to XT against their will.

The issue is not whether they will succeed or not. It's about undermining the value of the original decision model using fear & propaganda.

The original decision model Satoshi designed is consensus through POW based mining as representative of individual voting.

You think consensus among devs somehow means something, it doesn't.

The reason you and others are throwing so much venom at XT is you are fighting bitcoin's built in consensus mechanism, thinking it should be something its not.
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August 18, 2015, 06:15:58 AM
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Looking very good  Smiley

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August 18, 2015, 06:17:56 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

You're joking, right?
Is there anyone that really thinks that Satoshi wrote that?
Even though I largely agree with what was written, it should be considered simply "anonymous".

The beauty of the message is precisely the presence of plausible deniability so as to let the ideas stand on their own

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August 18, 2015, 07:01:34 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

Central authority like the bitcoin core devs?

The core devs have historically worked using a consensus based model of decision making. Gavin & Mike are the ones attempting to force through a contentious fork.

Historically, perhaps. But that was history, and that was certainly before Blockstream. Now their interest is to preserve a bottleneck in Bitcoin that makes up the only value proposition for their sidechain alt coins. They have $21m reasons to fight this.

And as people begin to realise this, they are getting behind the fork, something most (including me) wouldn't have countenanced just a few months ago.

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August 18, 2015, 07:08:09 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

Central authority like the bitcoin core devs?

The core devs have historically worked using a consensus based model of decision making. Gavin & Mike are the ones attempting to force through a contentious fork.

Historically, perhaps. But that was history, and that was certainly before Blockstream. Now their interest is to preserve a bottleneck in Bitcoin that makes up the only value proposition for their sidechain alt coins. They have $21m reasons to fight this.

And as people begin to realise this, they are getting behind the fork, something most (including me) wouldn't have countenanced just a few months ago.

Thank you for yet another demonstration of your group's lazy argumentation

The fact that this debate has turned very early on into character assassination and personality contests tells the whole story.

Gavin, Mike & their supporters have made it a political battle that necessarily undermine their arguments and ultimately weaken their position.

About sidechains: they will be of very little use under current block size constraints so you're really grasping at straws here.

You'd think they are goddamned stubborn at Blockstream. Why worry about innovating zero-knowledge proof to scale their sidechain when we can just inflate the block size to infinity!

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August 18, 2015, 07:11:05 AM
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Satoshis recent comments were right and I agree that bitcoin wasnt designed to be at the whim of central authority which is what it is trying to destroy. So with that im with bitcoin original thick or thin.

Central authority like the bitcoin core devs?

The core devs have historically worked using a consensus based model of decision making. Gavin & Mike are the ones attempting to force through a contentious fork.

Explain how this works exactly.  Will gavin and Mike visit each miner, put a gun to their head, and force them to switch to XT.  Explain what mechanism they will use to force miners and users to upgrade to XT against their will.

The issue is not whether they will succeed or not. It's about undermining the value of the original decision model using fear & propaganda.

The original decision model Satoshi designed is consensus through POW based mining as representative of individual voting.

You think consensus among devs somehow means something, it doesn't.

The reason you and others are throwing so much venom at XT is you are fighting bitcoin's built in consensus mechanism, thinking it should be something its not.

Maybe you tell that to your friend Mike


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August 18, 2015, 07:12:19 AM
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The issue is not whether they will succeed or not.

Obvious fallacy. Thats the only thing its about. Its about wresting control from a compromised few to the many.


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It's about undermining the value of the original decision model using fear & propaganda.

Thats exactly what you are trying to do - your just not doing it very well anymore. As a shill, I'm afraid you really need to up your game.

Everything you have written is designed to instill fear - it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Calm and informed rebuttals are weakening your case with every post.

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The issue is not whether they will succeed or not.

Obvious fallacy. Thats the only thing its about. Its about wresting control from a compromised few to the many.


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It's about undermining the value of the original decision model using fear & propaganda.

Thats exactly what you are trying to do - your just not doing it very well anymore. As a shill, I'm afraid you really need to up your game.

Everything you have written is designed to instill fear - it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Calm and informed rebuttals are weakening your case with every post.

See post above. It's more about wrestling control from a compromised few to..... Mike Hearn.

Now about accusations of being compromised, let's compare the facts : http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/

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August 18, 2015, 07:15:50 AM
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Gavin Andresen On Future Blockchain Security: I Dunno LOL!

http://qntra.net/2015/01/gavin-andresen-on-future-blockchain-security-i-dunno-lol/#comment-7830

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August 18, 2015, 07:18:41 AM
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See post above. It's more about wrestling control from a compromised few to..... Mike Hearn.

Now about accusations of being compromised, let's compare the facts : http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/

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Gavin Andresen: Um… I haven't had email from satoshi in a couple months actually. The last email I sent him I actually told him I was going to talk at the CIA. So it's possible , that…. that may have um had something to with his deciding.

Possible ?  Roll Eyes

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August 18, 2015, 07:19:11 AM
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Thank you for yet another demonstration of your group's lazy argumentation


Another powerful point not made. Its right up there with your false "Bitcoin is already sidechain readytm!!' claim

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