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August 15, 2015, 08:38:43 PM
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Does he have a PGP key?

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August 15, 2015, 08:38:59 PM
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Another hoax?

Sig or it didn't happen.



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August 15, 2015, 08:43:34 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Can more people corroborate this? I am not familiar with his public history too much.

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August 15, 2015, 08:47:23 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Oh you're right. Maybe he doesn't know how.
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August 15, 2015, 08:50:03 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Can more people corroborate this? I am not familiar with his public history too much.
It looks like Peter Todd made some research about that question: https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html
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August 15, 2015, 08:51:21 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Oh you're right. Maybe he doesn't know how.
Please produce some evidence he indeed signed something publicly.

It's obviously not his technical skills but his behavioral pattern that matters.
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August 15, 2015, 08:51:48 PM
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Well for one Garzik is not having it :

https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/632643215749869568

A guy might think from Hearn's 'non-technical' screed that 3 of 5 'core' developers favor his XT fork.  Himself, Garzik, and Gavin.  It's actually one of five since he is in no way one of 'the five', and Garzik is not on-board with his bullshit as much as he seeks to indicate.  Clearly Gavin is 100% with him though.

Doing my best to be objective, I have to say that it seems the case that Gavin's visit to the CFR 'opened his eyes' so to speak.  Whether it got him a job at MIT or whether that was happenstance is not clear.  Indeed, very little has 'been clear' since about the time the Bitcoin Foundation was formed, and this was one of the things that I warned against in stating my opposition to it's formation.


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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Can more people corroborate this? I am not familiar with his public history too much.
It looks like Peter Todd made some research about that question: https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html

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Bitcoin private keys can be used to sign a message. I believe there are some which are known to have been held by the original SN (though one can never rule out that they were later compromised), but I'm not sure.
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hoax? real?

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I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list.  I had hoped the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would achieve widespread consensus.  However with the formal release of Bitcoin XT 0.11A, this looks unlikely to happen, and so I am forced to share my concerns about this very dangerous fork.

The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my original vision, but nothing could be further from the truth.  When I designed Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future modifications to the consensus rules difficult without near unanimous agreement.  Bitcoin was designed to be protected from the influence of charismatic leaders, even if their name is Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or Satoshi Nakamoto.  Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have to do it without being forced or pressured into it.  By doing a fork in this way, these developers are violating the "original vision" they claim to honour.

They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed to be.  However I acknowledge that a lot has changed since that time, and new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions.  For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network.  Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution.  I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism.

If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project.  Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially robust.  This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold.

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Bitcoin private keys can be used to sign a message. I believe there are some which are known to have been held by the original SN (though one can never rule out that they were later compromised), but I'm not sure.


Since we know it was Satoshi who created the genesis block, signing a message with the key for the genesis block reward would be very convincing.  Anyways, it's clear as day (at least to me) that the email is fake.

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Bitcoin private keys can be used to sign a message. I believe there are some which are known to have been held by the original SN (though one can never rule out that they were later compromised), but I'm not sure.


They can, but if he's never before, surely he doesn't value proving himself to anyone aside from through his words and actions, so why would the behavior suddenly change so drastically? He already admitted he wants to stay out of the politics so it's not like proving himself should matter to him.

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Bitcoin private keys can be used to sign a message. I believe there are some which are known to have been held by the original SN (though one can never rule out that they were later compromised), but I'm not sure.


They can, but if he's never before, surely he doesn't value proving himself to anyone aside from through his words and actions, so why would the behavior suddenly change so drastically?

Let's see. 4+ year absence. Writing from a different email (old one hacked), environment vastly different than when he left, nature of the message that is purportedly being sent, etc.

But you're right in a sense. Since appeal to authority is supposed to not exist in Bitcoin and "his" new message contains no constructive input we should just ignore it.

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This is very likely fake but imagine the butthurt on reddit if Satoshi came out against block increase  Cheesy Cheesy

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Bitcoin private keys can be used to sign a message. I believe there are some which are known to have been held by the original SN (though one can never rule out that they were later compromised), but I'm not sure.


They can, but if he's never before, surely he doesn't value proving himself to anyone aside from through his words and actions, so why would the behavior suddenly change so drastically?

Let's see. 4+ year absence. Writing from a different email (old one hacked), environment vastly different than when he left, etc.


True, but would the real Satoshi care about justifying these things? Again, I'm not all too familiar with his psychology and history.

Edit: "He used satoshin@gmx.com (from original Bitcoin whitepaper) and satoshi@vistomail.com (from email logs). gmx.com is a free email service that may or may not have had location based restrictions on registration at the time. vistomail.com is an email service from anonymousspeech, the domain registrar proxy he used to register bitcoin.org"
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/5319/what-is-the-email-of-satoshi-nakamoto

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August 15, 2015, 09:31:18 PM
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Well for one Garzik is not having it :

https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/632643215749869568

right above that tweet:

https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/632633971197612032

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August 15, 2015, 09:32:32 PM
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In any case, I think I do agree with the contents of the post, whether or not it is SN.

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August 15, 2015, 09:55:52 PM
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ETH Up. Bitcoin collapsing.

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ETH Up. Bitcoin collapsing.

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Bitcoin collapsing. Stupidity up.

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