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August 15, 2015, 07:22:54 PM
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It would be nice if Satoshi would weigh in on the debate now that it has come to a head with Mike's release of XT. The last time he did was in response to the media potentially using the Dorian Nakamoto story to discredit Bitcoin in a big way. This issue seems more pressing.

I'm sure he's out there watching closely. Maybe his silence says it all.
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August 15, 2015, 07:30:36 PM
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It would be nice if Satoshi would weigh in on the debate now that it has come to a head with Mike's release of XT. The last time he did was in response to the media potentially using the Dorian Nakamoto story to discredit Bitcoin in a big way. This issue seems more pressing.

I'm sure he's out there watching closely. Maybe his silence says it all.

Satoshi returning to weigh in on ANY debate is the WORST possible outcome and would do nothing but reinforce lazy appeals to authority.

"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
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August 15, 2015, 07:38:01 PM
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It would be nice if Satoshi would weigh in on the debate now that it has come to a head with Mike's release of XT. The last time he did was in response to the media potentially using the Dorian Nakamoto story to discredit Bitcoin in a big way. This issue seems more pressing.

I'm sure he's out there watching closely. Maybe his silence says it all.

Satoshi returning to weigh in on ANY debate is the WORST possible outcome and would do nothing but reinforce lazy appeals to authority.

I can think of many worse outcomes. One could think of it as input from an intelligent mind uniquely positioned to give relevant feedback.
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August 15, 2015, 07:53:11 PM
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It would be nice if Satoshi would weigh in on the debate now that it has come to a head with Mike's release of XT. The last time he did was in response to the media potentially using the Dorian Nakamoto story to discredit Bitcoin in a big way. This issue seems more pressing.

I'm sure he's out there watching closely. Maybe his silence says it all.

That was a hoax - someone having a laugh using an account that had become dormant and hackable.

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August 15, 2015, 07:55:32 PM
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/u/raisethelimit's cartoon was removed the moment I checked, but there's still a link in his response here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h424p/why_is_bitcoin_forking/cu45qah

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h4kzz/the_hypocrisy_of_a_thermos_bitcoin_political/

EDIT: /u/raisethelimit's link to his cartoon has now been removed.

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August 15, 2015, 07:57:54 PM
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I would not mind if Hearn created XT sidechain and XT supporters will be merge mining both chains.

Win win. MC will stay small and BloatChainers will have unlimited space for spamming.
It would be fine if Blockstream shows XT-SC before the end of year.

Don't hold your breath.  The goal is to try to appropriate Bitcoin's dominance before it becomes recognized as a viable backing store for a sidechains style ecosystem.  This makes XT be in direct competition with Bitcoin and a mortal adversary.  Making XT a sidechain would make a lot of sense otherwise.  That explains the desperate feel to this effort.  Pulling out all the stops with a swarm of shills, absurdly stretched arguments, blatant fear-mongering, etc.

As I've said before, XT's success in this effort to supplant Bitcoin (which is a remote possibility due to poor timing, but possible due to more-or-less unlimited resources) might actually be a good thing for a subordinate chains ecosystem because it may force a more robust backing solution to be adopted.  Time will tell.


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August 15, 2015, 08:06:17 PM
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Well for one Garzik is not having it :

https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/632643215749869568

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August 15, 2015, 08:07:54 PM
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It would be nice if Satoshi would weigh in on the debate now that it has come to a head with Mike's release of XT. The last time he did was in response to the media potentially using the Dorian Nakamoto story to discredit Bitcoin in a big way. This issue seems more pressing.

I'm sure he's out there watching closely. Maybe his silence says it all.

That was a hoax - someone having a laugh using an account that had become dormant and hackable.

Another hoax?

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html

Bring out the popcorn  Cheesy

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August 15, 2015, 08:22:14 PM
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/u/raisethelimit's cartoon was removed the moment I checked, but there's still a link in his response here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h424p/why_is_bitcoin_forking/cu45qah

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h4kzz/the_hypocrisy_of_a_thermos_bitcoin_political/

EDIT: /u/raisethelimit's link to his cartoon has now been removed.

That's some funny shit! ROFL! Grin Grin

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August 15, 2015, 08:36:51 PM
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123 Bitcoin XT nodes (supporting bigger blocks)     6161 Total nodes

Nice  progression.

http://www.xtnodes.com/
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August 15, 2015, 08:37:00 PM
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Another hoax?

Sig or it didn't happen.

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August 15, 2015, 08:38:43 PM
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Does he have a PGP key?

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August 15, 2015, 08:38:59 PM
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Another hoax?

Sig or it didn't happen.



+1

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August 15, 2015, 08:43:34 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.
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August 15, 2015, 08:45:35 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Can more people corroborate this? I am not familiar with his public history too much.

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August 15, 2015, 08:47:23 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Oh you're right. Maybe he doesn't know how.
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August 15, 2015, 08:50:03 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Can more people corroborate this? I am not familiar with his public history too much.
It looks like Peter Todd made some research about that question: https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html
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August 15, 2015, 08:51:21 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Oh you're right. Maybe he doesn't know how.
Please produce some evidence he indeed signed something publicly.

It's obviously not his technical skills but his behavioral pattern that matters.
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August 15, 2015, 08:51:48 PM
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Well for one Garzik is not having it :

https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/632643215749869568

A guy might think from Hearn's 'non-technical' screed that 3 of 5 'core' developers favor his XT fork.  Himself, Garzik, and Gavin.  It's actually one of five since he is in no way one of 'the five', and Garzik is not on-board with his bullshit as much as he seeks to indicate.  Clearly Gavin is 100% with him though.

Doing my best to be objective, I have to say that it seems the case that Gavin's visit to the CFR 'opened his eyes' so to speak.  Whether it got him a job at MIT or whether that was happenstance is not clear.  Indeed, very little has 'been clear' since about the time the Bitcoin Foundation was formed, and this was one of the things that I warned against in stating my opposition to it's formation.


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August 15, 2015, 08:54:37 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Can more people corroborate this? I am not familiar with his public history too much.
It looks like Peter Todd made some research about that question: https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html

I haven't been this excited over Bitcoin in awhile  Smiley

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