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August 15, 2015, 07:57:54 PM
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I would not mind if Hearn created XT sidechain and XT supporters will be merge mining both chains.

Win win. MC will stay small and BloatChainers will have unlimited space for spamming.
It would be fine if Blockstream shows XT-SC before the end of year.

Don't hold your breath.  The goal is to try to appropriate Bitcoin's dominance before it becomes recognized as a viable backing store for a sidechains style ecosystem.  This makes XT be in direct competition with Bitcoin and a mortal adversary.  Making XT a sidechain would make a lot of sense otherwise.  That explains the desperate feel to this effort.  Pulling out all the stops with a swarm of shills, absurdly stretched arguments, blatant fear-mongering, etc.

As I've said before, XT's success in this effort to supplant Bitcoin (which is a remote possibility due to poor timing, but possible due to more-or-less unlimited resources) might actually be a good thing for a subordinate chains ecosystem because it may force a more robust backing solution to be adopted.  Time will tell.


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August 15, 2015, 08:06:17 PM
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Well for one Garzik is not having it :

https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/632643215749869568

"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
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August 15, 2015, 08:07:54 PM
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It would be nice if Satoshi would weigh in on the debate now that it has come to a head with Mike's release of XT. The last time he did was in response to the media potentially using the Dorian Nakamoto story to discredit Bitcoin in a big way. This issue seems more pressing.

I'm sure he's out there watching closely. Maybe his silence says it all.

That was a hoax - someone having a laugh using an account that had become dormant and hackable.

Another hoax?

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html

Bring out the popcorn  Cheesy

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August 15, 2015, 08:22:14 PM
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/u/raisethelimit's cartoon was removed the moment I checked, but there's still a link in his response here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h424p/why_is_bitcoin_forking/cu45qah

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h4kzz/the_hypocrisy_of_a_thermos_bitcoin_political/

EDIT: /u/raisethelimit's link to his cartoon has now been removed.

That's some funny shit! ROFL! Grin Grin

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August 15, 2015, 08:36:51 PM
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123 Bitcoin XT nodes (supporting bigger blocks)     6161 Total nodes

Nice  progression.

http://www.xtnodes.com/
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August 15, 2015, 08:37:00 PM
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Another hoax?

Sig or it didn't happen.

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August 15, 2015, 08:38:43 PM
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Does he have a PGP key?

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August 15, 2015, 08:38:59 PM
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Another hoax?

Sig or it didn't happen.



+1

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August 15, 2015, 08:43:34 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.
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August 15, 2015, 08:45:35 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Can more people corroborate this? I am not familiar with his public history too much.

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August 15, 2015, 08:47:23 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Oh you're right. Maybe he doesn't know how.
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August 15, 2015, 08:50:03 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Can more people corroborate this? I am not familiar with his public history too much.
It looks like Peter Todd made some research about that question: https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html
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August 15, 2015, 08:51:21 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Oh you're right. Maybe he doesn't know how.
Please produce some evidence he indeed signed something publicly.

It's obviously not his technical skills but his behavioral pattern that matters.
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August 15, 2015, 08:51:48 PM
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Well for one Garzik is not having it :

https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/632643215749869568

A guy might think from Hearn's 'non-technical' screed that 3 of 5 'core' developers favor his XT fork.  Himself, Garzik, and Gavin.  It's actually one of five since he is in no way one of 'the five', and Garzik is not on-board with his bullshit as much as he seeks to indicate.  Clearly Gavin is 100% with him though.

Doing my best to be objective, I have to say that it seems the case that Gavin's visit to the CFR 'opened his eyes' so to speak.  Whether it got him a job at MIT or whether that was happenstance is not clear.  Indeed, very little has 'been clear' since about the time the Bitcoin Foundation was formed, and this was one of the things that I warned against in stating my opposition to it's formation.


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August 15, 2015, 08:54:37 PM
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The real Satoshi has never signed anything.

Can more people corroborate this? I am not familiar with his public history too much.
It looks like Peter Todd made some research about that question: https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06194.html

I haven't been this excited over Bitcoin in awhile  Smiley

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Bitcoin private keys can be used to sign a message. I believe there are some which are known to have been held by the original SN (though one can never rule out that they were later compromised), but I'm not sure.
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August 15, 2015, 09:22:56 PM
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hoax? real?

you decide


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I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list.  I had hoped the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would achieve widespread consensus.  However with the formal release of Bitcoin XT 0.11A, this looks unlikely to happen, and so I am forced to share my concerns about this very dangerous fork.

The developers of this pretender-Bitcoin claim to be following my original vision, but nothing could be further from the truth.  When I designed Bitcoin, I designed it in such a way as to make future modifications to the consensus rules difficult without near unanimous agreement.  Bitcoin was designed to be protected from the influence of charismatic leaders, even if their name is Gavin Andresen, Barack Obama, or Satoshi Nakamoto.  Nearly everyone has to agree on a change, and they have to do it without being forced or pressured into it.  By doing a fork in this way, these developers are violating the "original vision" they claim to honour.

They use my old writings to make claims about what Bitcoin was supposed to be.  However I acknowledge that a lot has changed since that time, and new knowledge has been gained that contradicts some of my early opinions.  For example I didn't anticipate pooled mining and its effects on the security of the network.  Making Bitcoin a competitive monetary system while also preserving its security properties is not a trivial problem, and we should take more time to come up with a robust solution.  I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying solely on altruism.

If two developers can fork Bitcoin and succeed in redefining what "Bitcoin" is, in the face of widespread technical criticism and through the use of populist tactics, then I will have no choice but to declare Bitcoin a failed project.  Bitcoin was meant to be both technically and socially robust.  This present situation has been very disappointing to watch unfold.

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Bitcoin private keys can be used to sign a message. I believe there are some which are known to have been held by the original SN (though one can never rule out that they were later compromised), but I'm not sure.


Since we know it was Satoshi who created the genesis block, signing a message with the key for the genesis block reward would be very convincing.  Anyways, it's clear as day (at least to me) that the email is fake.

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Bitcoin private keys can be used to sign a message. I believe there are some which are known to have been held by the original SN (though one can never rule out that they were later compromised), but I'm not sure.


They can, but if he's never before, surely he doesn't value proving himself to anyone aside from through his words and actions, so why would the behavior suddenly change so drastically? He already admitted he wants to stay out of the politics so it's not like proving himself should matter to him.

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August 15, 2015, 09:27:27 PM
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Bitcoin private keys can be used to sign a message. I believe there are some which are known to have been held by the original SN (though one can never rule out that they were later compromised), but I'm not sure.


They can, but if he's never before, surely he doesn't value proving himself to anyone aside from through his words and actions, so why would the behavior suddenly change so drastically?

Let's see. 4+ year absence. Writing from a different email (old one hacked), environment vastly different than when he left, nature of the message that is purportedly being sent, etc.

But you're right in a sense. Since appeal to authority is supposed to not exist in Bitcoin and "his" new message contains no constructive input we should just ignore it.

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