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Question: Will you support Gavin's new block size limit hard fork of 8MB by January 1, 2016 then doubling every 2 years?
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August 14, 2015, 04:57:10 PM
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well now i am just insulted.  i thought they spent all their time here?! Grin
I think I can speak for the majority of the Alt section when I say "we wish they did" Cheesy

Yes I'm sure they would. Because 90% or more of the Alt section are a bunch of lying, thieving, plagiarizing, instamining rip-off artists. They would very much like it people such as iCE and myself were not there, so they could scam without being challenged over it.
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August 14, 2015, 04:59:05 PM
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Should maxblocksize increase? Which proposal do you prefer?  (Voting closes: September 04, 2015, 01:06:49 PM)

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August 14, 2015, 05:00:00 PM
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well now i am just insulted.  i thought they spent all their time here?! Grin
I think I can speak for the majority of the Alt section when I say "we wish they did" Cheesy

Yes I'm sure they would. Because 90% or more of the Alt section are a bunch of lying, thieving, plagiarizing, instamining rip-off artists. They would very much like it people such iCE and myself were not there, so they could scam without being challenged over it.

In that sense you're a bit like 2 monks wending their way around the heathen Alt community trying to spread love in a chaotic world? /s

I would say more like 2 confidence tricksters trying to make a quick buck, with the minority of genuine alt communities trying to experiment with new tech providing the 'funding' for your valuable time.

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August 14, 2015, 05:02:30 PM
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well now i am just insulted.  i thought they spent all their time here?! Grin
I think I can speak for the majority of the Alt section when I say "we wish they did" Cheesy

Yes I'm sure they would. Because 90% or more of the Alt section are a bunch of lying, thieving, plagiarizing, instamining rip-off artists. They would very much like it people such iCE and myself were not there, so they could scam without being challenged over it.

In that sense you're a bit like 2 monks wending their way around the heathen Alt community trying to spread love in a chaotic world? /s

I would say more like 2 confidence tricksters trying to make a quick buck, with the minority of genuine alt communities trying to experiment with new tech providing the 'funding' for your valuable time.

Let's just leave it at that then, people have the information, they can decide if iCEBREAKER is and/or I am a confidence tricker trying to make a quick buck.

Meanwhile, please stop stalking me on this thread.
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August 14, 2015, 05:05:58 PM
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well now i am just insulted.  i thought they spent all their time here?! Grin
I think I can speak for the majority of the Alt section when I say "we wish they did" Cheesy

And I think I speak for the majority when I say keep this in the alt section, please.

"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
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August 14, 2015, 05:06:54 PM
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well now i am just insulted.  i thought they spent all their time here?! Grin
I think I can speak for the majority of the Alt section when I say "we wish they did" Cheesy

Yes I'm sure they would. Because 90% or more of the Alt section are a bunch of lying, thieving, plagiarizing, instamining rip-off artists. They would very much like it people such iCE and myself were not there, so they could scam without being challenged over it.

In that sense you're a bit like 2 monks wending their way around the heathen Alt community trying to spread love in a chaotic world? /s

I would say more like 2 confidence tricksters trying to make a quick buck, with the minority of genuine alt communities trying to experiment with new tech providing the 'funding' for your valuable time.

Let's just leave it at that then, people have the information, they can decide if iCEBREAKER is and/or I am a confidence tricker trying to make a quick buck.

Meanwhile, please stop stalking me on this thread.

Not stalking - even if a few people start to wake up that you are an (admittedly smart) manipulator / confidence trickster, it's a post well spent.

Cheers

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August 14, 2015, 05:07:46 PM
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well now i am just insulted.  i thought they spent all their time here?! Grin
I think I can speak for the majority of the Alt section when I say "we wish they did" Cheesy

And I think I speak for the majority when I say keep this in the alt section, please.

Above was the last post from me.

Voted: Yes.

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August 14, 2015, 05:16:43 PM
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well now i am just insulted.  i thought they spent all their time here?! Grin
I think I can speak for the majority of the Alt section when I say "we wish they did" Cheesy

And I think I speak for the majority when I say keep this in the alt section, please.

Thats one thing we definitely have consensus on Smiley

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August 14, 2015, 05:25:33 PM
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this is what i think has happened with Blockstream:

 First they ignore it, then they attempt to fight it, and finally, when it becomes obvious that the fight can't be won, they try to buy it. We seem to be entering the third stage now, so those of us who see the long-term advantages of Bitcoin should be on our toes. Big banks have failed to discredit the idea, now the danger is that they will just buy it.


http://www.nasdaq.com/article/bitcoin-how-my-views-and-the-currency-have-changed-during-the-last-year-cm508666
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August 14, 2015, 05:29:57 PM
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well now i am just insulted.  i thought they spent all their time here?! Grin
I think I can speak for the majority of the Alt section when I say "we wish they did" Cheesy
And I think I speak for the majority when I say keep this in the alt section, please.

For my part I often get valuable information out of various spats like this and I don't follow most of the other boards.  I don't follow the alt boards at all since I don't have an interest (financially) in any alts and not enough of an interest (intellectually) to justify they effort.  I temper my interpretation of what someone says based on my understanding of the person's affiliations and history.  I always have to be the consensus breaker I guess. 


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August 14, 2015, 05:36:50 PM
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looks to me like this post by Mike has been taken down off the main page by mods:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3griiv/on_consensus_and_forks_by_mike_hearn/

Still there for me. If they were taking it this far, modding a heavily commented thread off the front page, that would generate some serious blowback, so I doubt they would.

hmm, back up for me too.  WTF?

/u/raisethelimit has been having all sorts of problems:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gsxqf/all_my_posts_are_currently_being_censored_this_is/cu19uva?context=3

This is the second time in the past few days it has looked like a possible internal squabble among the mods. Perhaps someone is hiding them and someone else is reinstating them.

i think we have a winner:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3gz9ut/do_the_stress_tests_show_that_gavin_was_wrong/cu2udsv
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August 14, 2015, 05:41:42 PM
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I still don't understand how anyone interested in Bitcoin can support anything associated with Hearn after hearing anything the guy has to say
If everybody adopts a "do the opposite of anything Mike Hearn suggests" policy, then they've just shut their brain off and given complete control over their decision making to Mike Hearn.

It's a great way to achieve the opposite of the stated goal.
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August 14, 2015, 05:53:03 PM
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I still don't understand how anyone interested in Bitcoin can support anything associated with Hearn after hearing anything the guy has to say
If everybody adopts a "do the opposite of anything Mike Hearn suggests" policy, then they've just shut their brain off and given complete control over their decision making to Mike Hearn.

It's a great way to achieve the opposite of the stated goal.

Even if that would make any sense at all that's quite an interpretation of what the guy said...

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August 14, 2015, 06:23:00 PM
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this is what i think has happened with Blockstream:

 First they ignore it, then they attempt to fight it, and finally, when it becomes obvious that the fight can't be won, they try to buy it. We seem to be entering the third stage now, so those of us who see the long-term advantages of Bitcoin should be on our toes. Big banks have failed to discredit the idea, now the danger is that they will just buy it.


http://www.nasdaq.com/article/bitcoin-how-my-views-and-the-currency-have-changed-during-the-last-year-cm508666

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August 14, 2015, 06:37:03 PM
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I still don't understand how anyone interested in Bitcoin can support anything associated with Hearn after hearing anything the guy has to say
If everybody adopts a "do the opposite of anything Mike Hearn suggests" policy, then they've just shut their brain off and given complete control over their decision making to Mike Hearn.

It's a great way to achieve the opposite of the stated goal.

Even if that would make any sense at all that's quite an interpretation of what the guy said...

The point is: don't make this about people.

If you do, you fall into the same system that has doomed politics / representative democracies.  You vote for the guy who promises X but doesn't actually DO it.  Look at Greece for the most blatant recent example but it happens everywhere.

Stay focused on your opinion of the issues and you can be simultaneously allies and opposing with the same person depending on your respective opinion on ongoing debates.

For example, I disagreed with Cypherdoc about sidechains but agree with him about block size...

(although at this point I do have to recognize that while I still like sidechains technically, he was correct in his estimation of the conflict of interest they might create)

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August 14, 2015, 08:03:04 PM
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this is what i think has happened with Blockstream:

 First they ignore it, then they attempt to fight it, and finally, when it becomes obvious that the fight can't be won, they try to buy it. We seem to be entering the third stage now, so those of us who see the long-term advantages of Bitcoin should be on our toes. Big banks have failed to discredit the idea, now the danger is that they will just buy it.


http://www.nasdaq.com/article/bitcoin-how-my-views-and-the-currency-have-changed-during-the-last-year-cm508666

LOLed , the part in bold is the goal, but a lot of bitcoiners dont seem to want to stay the course, there are lots of definitions for "it" the last part, but I envisioned "it" being BTC.

off to read that now :-)

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August 14, 2015, 08:22:55 PM
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it seems the avg Bitcoiner can't bear to hear or even discuss "possible" messy scenarios as Mike is quite rightfully willing to do.

It's pretty clear that Mike doesn't understand what an economic majority means. If you have the economic majority, you don't need to enforce a "technical mess" to fix anything.

I still don't understand how anyone interested in Bitcoin can support anything associated with Hearn after hearing anything the guy has to say, unless they actually want to turn Bitcoin into something completely unrecognizable.

I'm not completely opposed to bigger blocks, but I am completely opposed to BitcoinXT and anything Hearn.

I am not in support of such an action where miners in china are essentially shunned by the "economic majority".

I tend to think the miners (all of them around the world) make up a big part of the economic majority as they help facilitate the transactions.

So if Hearn is thinking along the lines of doing that some day (I would not support it). The only way I support XT is through actual consensus, not forced consensus.

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August 14, 2015, 08:42:45 PM
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I still don't understand how anyone interested in Bitcoin can support anything associated with Hearn after hearing anything the guy has to say

Here's a pretty good indication of a shill, or at best someone who is disturbed and threatened by the idea of a 'free' cryoto-currency:  A person who has been around for a while and/or has paid a modicum of attention and does support Hearn's vision and projects.

If everybody adopts a "do the opposite of anything Mike Hearn suggests" policy, then they've just shut their brain off and given complete control over their decision making to Mike Hearn.

It's a great way to achieve the opposite of the stated goal.

When do you guys expect to use btcd as the reference implementation for XT?


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August 14, 2015, 08:53:40 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h01p2/how_is_the_bitcoin_community_supposed_to_build/

*poof* Top thread on the front page one moment, a few minutes later gone.

The subreddit has set a policy where not only is talking about alternative implementations banned, but apparently so is talking about the ban itself.

This reeks of desperation.
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August 14, 2015, 09:21:54 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h01p2/how_is_the_bitcoin_community_supposed_to_build/

*poof* Top thread on the front page one moment, a few minutes later gone.

The subreddit has set a policy where not only is talking about alternative implementations banned, but apparently so is talking about the ban itself.

This reeks of desperation.

That post was by aminok (one of my favourite posters over there, actually).  It looks like he's now been banned:


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