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July 18, 2014, 02:18:42 AM
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shocked that you think it would be perfectly ok to kill children (regardless of ethnicity) if they were taken hostage by terrorists just so you could get at the terrorist.

do you also think it was ok for Zionists to kidnap and kill that Palestinian boy in response to that terrible crime where 3 Jewish boys were kidnapped and murdered by Palestinian fundamentalists?

(I use Jewish here again to make the distinction between Jewish the religion and Isreali the nationality)

im just curious how your mind works.

They were not taken hostage. What are you even talking about.
They were either sent there or went there willingly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTArVIHDelg

Can you provide any link as to prove said civilians were kidnapped?

And no, I don't think the kidnap of the boy was ok, I think they were psychopaths, and it actually saddened me greatly because I haven't heard in my lifetime of an Israeli executing such revenge.

those Israeli settler kids that were murdered weren't taken hostage but that's because they called the police.. if they hadn't called the police then they probably would have been hostages, because hostages are always better for negotiation.. but that's just my observation as an outsider..

the point is... its is the violence and mentality of both sides which is breeding more people like those Zionists and those Palestinian fundamentalists.
it will only get worse as long as people don't stand up (on both sides) and condemn the violence against innocent people.

you can only have peace when a Palestinian man risks his life to save an Israeli child .. and when an Israeli man risks his life to save a Palestinian child.
until then all you are doing is sliding back into that dark abyss of endless violence and retribution...

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July 18, 2014, 05:01:16 AM
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Apparently a Israeli solider was killed...
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July 18, 2014, 06:31:11 AM
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Apparently a Israeli solider was killed...

Urban warfare could prove deadly, not just for the Palestinians, but for the Israelis as well. But the level of resistance being offered by the Hamas would depend heavily on the amount of support they receives from Egypt.
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July 18, 2014, 06:36:34 AM
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Apparently a Israeli solider was killed...

Urban warfare could prove deadly, not just for the Palestinians, but for the Israelis as well. But the level of resistance being offered by the Hamas would depend heavily on the amount of support they receives from Egypt.

Palestinians (Hamas) are prepared for urban warfare better than ISR army

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July 18, 2014, 06:41:50 AM
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Palestinians (Hamas) are prepared for urban warfare better than ISR army

I doubt that. Air superiority and aerial image support really matters in urban warfare. Israelis are in possession of technically advanced military equipment such as motion detectors and night vision goggles.
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July 18, 2014, 07:04:02 AM
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Palestinians (Hamas) are prepared for urban warfare better than ISR army

Hmm... Hamas is having only one advantage. They can take hundreds of casualties without suffering a blow to their public image. However, if Israel loses more than a dozen soldiers, then the government will be taken down.

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July 18, 2014, 07:16:20 AM
Last edit: July 18, 2014, 07:34:07 AM by BCEmporium
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I'm yet to understand why Hamas insists to poke a bear(Israel) with a short stick. They have no technology to match Israel, actually pretty few countries does, imagine some Allah's cavemen! The only outcome is Gaza and Palestine to shrink little by little at every confrontation.

I'm not pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian, I'm just tired of that crap! Maybe carpet A-bomb those places to make sure nobody can come close to those cursed "lands of the God of the Desert" in the next million years wasn't a bad idea.

About children used as human shields, I wasn't saying that makes it right to kill children, it's just a practical view, war is no akin to "rights" just a sum of wrongs.
Eventually a CIVILIZATION would protect its children, so they aren't anywhere near a frontline.

A nice animation about that place that sums it up along the History:
http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/this_land_is_mine/

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July 18, 2014, 07:53:17 AM
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I'm yet to understand why Hamas insists to poke a bear(Israel) with a short stick. They have no technology to match Israel, actually pretty few countries does, imagine some Allah's cavemen! The only outcome is Gaza and Palestine to shrink little by little at every confrontation.

I'm not pro-Israeli or pro-Palestinian, I'm just tired of that crap! Maybe carpet A-bomb those places to make sure nobody can come close to those cursed "lands of the God of the Desert" in the next million years wasn't a bad idea.

About children used as human shields, I wasn't saying that makes it right to kill children, it's just a practical view, war is no akin to "rights" just a sum of wrongs.
Eventually a CIVILIZATION would protect its children, so they aren't anywhere near a frontline.


Hamas does it because every time they poke the bear innocent Palestinians die. when innocent Palestinians die they leave behind family members. those family members become radicalized and live their life thinking of nothing but revenge.... and they become Hamas soldiers of the future.

this is how Hamas stays in power.

If you want the cycle to stop you need to to make sure that justice is carried out.. not retribution. you need to protect the innocent if you want to punish the wicked.. (im pretty sure it says that in all 3 holy books)

nobody will shed a tear when a terrorist is killed or jailed.
but when an innocent 4 year old child dies.... an entire community is hit by a mixture of grief and rage.

it may be a different topic but to illustrate my point.. just look at what has happened in Ukraine today.
the prevailing view is that some stupid Russian separatists shot down an airliner killing 300 civilians. Including a lot of people from my country. Now entire nations are in grief and angry... angry at the stupid separatists and angry at Russia.

senseless violence doesn't get anyone anywhere. The Russian government will face harsh consequences for their stupidity if it is confirmed that they supplied the anti aircraft missiles to those separatist thugs.

this has absolutely nothing to do with this topic but it demonstrates how easily things can get out of hand when ideology takes over from common sense....

I cant help but imagine what could happen in Isreal/Palestine if some idiot manages to hit a school or hospital and kill hundreds if innocent victims.

this is a dark day for the world..... I cant believe that it is 2014 and people are still fighting and bickering over tiny scraps of land like its 1096.


war is no akin to "rights" just a sum of wrongs.

I couldn't agree more...


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July 18, 2014, 01:17:51 PM
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As a father who lost his children in Gaza, I call for an end to this bloodshed

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/18/father-children-gaza-bloodshed-palestinians-israelis

<< Palestinians and Israelis must work together to build a new generation that believes in humanity and freedom. >>
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July 18, 2014, 01:29:17 PM
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I am not really following it but I am updated since I watch news daily.
There should be an end of it for everyone's good not just for the civilians or for one side.
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July 18, 2014, 01:47:19 PM
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Benjamin Netanyahu has just announced that he is going to step up the ground offensive. This can backfire on him. Unlike the aerial attack option, the ground offensive is comparatively more riskier. Israeli soldiers can be killed or even worse, captured by the Hamas militants.
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July 18, 2014, 02:34:58 PM
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I'm yet to understand why Hamas insists to poke a bear(Israel) with a short stick. They have no technology to match Israel, actually pretty few countries does, imagine some Allah's cavemen! The only outcome is Gaza and Palestine to shrink little by little at every confrontation.
It's very simple. If you can call it simple.
When they provoke Israel they gain:
1. More radicals to their lines by having casualties, and
2. Public opinion in their favor since they are the underdog.
3. They help their sponsors (various arab countries) by giving them political distraction that they can use to sway their own people (just look how many arab countries use Israel as the source of all evil in their campaigns).

This is all happening whilst their leaders are hiding safely inside bunkers or are simply outside the gaza strip managing their hotels.
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July 18, 2014, 08:23:56 PM
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Benjamin Netanyahu has just announced that he is going to step up the ground offensive. This can backfire on him. Unlike the aerial attack option, the ground offensive is comparatively more riskier. Israeli soldiers can be killed or even worse, captured by the Hamas militants.

Killed yes, Captured.. Not likely.

People die in war time, BiBi knows that. If a few jews need to die  in order to save many its kosher!

Go Israel!
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A father opens a plastic bag: "This is my son", he says, "killed by an Israeli shell"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/father-gathers-body-dead-son-two-plastic-bag-gaza-shelling

<< Palestinian death toll continues to mount as Israel's ground invasion into Gaza carries on. >>
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YOU DO NOT WANNA MISS THIS!

"The Gaza Bombardment - What You're Not Being Told"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXRO1YFreNA
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Playing the Jewish card doesn't work anymore for Israel...
I think Jewish people should respect their religion and not let Judaism be used as a tool to justify Israel's War Crimes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZBZX4ZxPjA
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YOU DO NOT WANNA MISS THIS!

"The Gaza Bombardment - What You're Not Being Told"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXRO1YFreNA

This is just depressing MJ1990

I wish this can stop but as we can see its just increasing by the moment. With the new ground offensive started in Palestine the number of dead people is just going to increase. War has never had any good outcomes. Just Negative one.

God bless the people of Gaza and stops this injustice !!!

Our prayers and well wishes are with innocent people on both sides being affected.

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As war returns to Gaza, it is the children who are frozen in fear

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/19/gaza-israel-palestine-terror-children

<< Our correspondent has watched as 12 days of terror have overwhelmed the region, leaving at least 300 dead. >>
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July 20, 2014, 12:19:13 AM
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This is all happening whilst their leaders are hiding safely inside bunkers or are simply outside the gaza strip managing their hotels.

do you really think that isreali leaders and funders are not hiding safely in bunkers or hotels outside of isreal?

people are fighting and dying on the streets for their ideology and the leaders pulling the strings are always hiding far away from the front lines.

the innocent die while the real criminals hide in the shadows and live in luxury...

right now a green flag flies over Gaza... and many people around the world do condemn the actions of Hamas.
but Isreal does not understand that by killing civilians (whether intentionally or not) instead of weakening Hamas all they are doing is making sure that if that green flag is torn down it will be replaced by a black flag.

do you really want that to happen?
the world does not want this... this is why they put so much pressure on Isreal to limit civilians casualties. The implications of this war are much bigger than simply Isreal Vs Gaza...
the entire region is unstable and at risk of being overrun by fundamentalist flags.

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