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December 25, 2017, 03:26:14 PM
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Anybody who doesn't understand the scientific proof for the existence of God enough to prove it isn't proof, is not as smart as he thinks he is.

Well, you need to show us this proof.  And not links to garbage, either.

Provide absolute proof your fairy tale is real and people will listen to you.  Smiley

Perhaps you are simply blind.    Cool

You mean every person in the world is blind, because you can't show us this proof.  :/

If I had meant that, I would have written it. But you can't seem to even be able to read what I wrote.

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Ok - so can you show us this proof, or just bullshit more?

You can look when I show it to a sincere person who asks.    Cool

And you choose who is sincere?  So in other words, you never need to provide proof - you just want people to blindly believe you - which is how religion propagates.  :/

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Can such evidence exist at all?
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December 25, 2017, 06:02:51 PM
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Unfortunately newtons 3rd law never states that everything has causes. I explained that in the other thread:

'It is sufficient to show that all the motions have causes, which is something that Newton proved with his 3rd law.'' No it's not. Where does newton 3rd law say that all motions have causes? You don't even know what the law says, do you? For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. (FOR EVERY ACTION) meaning that IF there is an action or cause then there is a reaction or effect. Thats only IF not that everything has a cause, nowhere in the law it says that everything has a cause. You are a dishonest liar.

Still wrong.

Not only will you not find a motion in the universe that doesn't have a cause or that isn't a cause, even the idea of it is absurd. Ale there is, is cause and effect, action and reaction.

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Ok since you are going to say the same thing over and over again I will try to make a final statement and if you don't agree with this either I don't think there is a point in continuing the conversation. The idea of everything having causes is just as absurd as something with no cause. Right now, quantum mechanics state that almost all quantum processes are random. This is not me claiming this like you, these are bright minds, far smarter than me and you together that ahve studied this for years and this is what they have come up with. Quantum theory is the best we have, do you understand that? All scientific theories are the best we have right now and I'm not claiming they are 100% true, no one is, when a better theory is known then we use that one but RIGHT NOW, quantum theory just like evolution theory is the best we have, whether you like it or not, it is the best. Can you show us the cause of those quantum processes like radioactive decay? If you can, go ahead, right a paper, get a nobel prize and you will be able to rewrite quantum theory but until you do that you have to accept it as it is. Period.

Edit: Also, can I prove to an 100% degree that there are things with no cause? No, can you prove that everything has a cause? No. What do we do? We do what science does, and this is why it works so well, we go with what we have and what we have is what the quantum theory says right now, that's the best we have just like evolution or gravity theories are the best and they work, they are useful, they are applied to many different things. We still don't know what exactly causes gravity but that doesn't stop us from being able to use it and being able to form a theory that tries to explain it as best as it can and maybe in the future something better will come and we will ditch gravity theory but right now it's the best we can.

You can't just come here and claim that everything has a cause when you have no proof to then say that your god has no cause because what? Because he is outside the universe? How do you even know that there can be something outside the universe? And if that's the case then many things could be outside the universe and have no cause, right? Maybe there are infinite things with no cause outside the universe, your claim, even if it were true, which again you don't know, just proposes far more questions for no reason.



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December 26, 2017, 03:16:10 AM
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Unfortunately newtons 3rd law never states that everything has causes. I explained that in the other thread:

'It is sufficient to show that all the motions have causes, which is something that Newton proved with his 3rd law.'' No it's not. Where does newton 3rd law say that all motions have causes? You don't even know what the law says, do you? For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. (FOR EVERY ACTION) meaning that IF there is an action or cause then there is a reaction or effect. Thats only IF not that everything has a cause, nowhere in the law it says that everything has a cause. You are a dishonest liar.

Still wrong.

Not only will you not find a motion in the universe that doesn't have a cause or that isn't a cause, even the idea of it is absurd. Ale there is, is cause and effect, action and reaction.

Cool

Ok since you are going to say the same thing over and over again I will try to make a final statement and if you don't agree with this either I don't think there is a point in continuing the conversation. The idea of everything having causes is just as absurd as something with no cause. Right now, quantum mechanics state that almost all quantum processes are random. This is not me claiming this like you, these are bright minds, far smarter than me and you together that ahve studied this for years and this is what they have come up with. Quantum theory is the best we have, do you understand that? All scientific theories are the best we have right now and I'm not claiming they are 100% true, no one is, when a better theory is known then we use that one but RIGHT NOW, quantum theory just like evolution theory is the best we have, whether you like it or not, it is the best. Can you show us the cause of those quantum processes like radioactive decay? If you can, go ahead, right a paper, get a nobel prize and you will be able to rewrite quantum theory but until you do that you have to accept it as it is. Period.


All except the tiny few quantum processes are random. But they are random from the standpoint that we can't follow the cause and effect processes because of our weak abilities. None of them are pure random, where there are effects that don't have any cause at all.

Here is the proof that cause and effect is universal:
Everything has motion. Even if absolute zero were found somewhere, everything has motion in its subatomic particles or wave (electromagnetic) movement. Can there even be a logical theory for something without motion?

Newton's 3rd Law essentially says C&E with a little more added.

The words "action" and reaction" in the 3rd Law are happening throughout the universe everywhere because there is nowhere in the universe where something is without motion.

Cause and effect is universal. This means that the supposed mutations of evolution have really been caused, rather than being actions without a cause. This changes the whole aspect of what evolution theory suggests evolution is. Evolution was started by whoever/whatever started cause and effect.

All cause and effect operates according to the laws of physics in the universe. Even the pandemonium in a hydrogen nuclear explosion doesn't break the laws of physics. This means that everything is programmed to act the way it does, according to the laws of physics, through universal cause and effect... was programmed right at the Beginning - which entropy shows us there had to be... a beginning.

That which the evolutionists call evolution is something that can't exist, according to the laws of physics, the actions of which are carried out through cause and effect.

Certainly there is change in the universe. Obviously there is a lot of change that we don't understand... we don't know the cause and effect processes that made that change. But we don't need to think about evolution to understand how limited our C&E thinking is. All we need do is watch the way a leaf sways in the breeze, and realize that we have no way of tracking any of the molecules that make it move like it does, all according to cause and effect.

Evolution is just a game that evolutionists and some anthropologists use to make money. When you consider the swaying leaf, the real kind of evolution (whatever we might call it) isn't even important, and won't be until we can track the natural flow of individual atoms and molecules and heat waves much better.

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December 26, 2017, 03:18:28 AM
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Not everything has a cause.

There is no scientific proof of any god.

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December 26, 2017, 03:33:28 AM
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Not everything has a cause.

There is no scientific proof of any god.

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Everything has a cause according to0 what is written directly above your post that I quoted here. Or, you can look here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg26961799#msg26961799.

God, not being a thing, probably doesn't have a cause. And it is possible that He caused the first causes to exist without causation. He is that different than anything in the universe.

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God, not being a thing, probably doesn't have a cause.

BOOM.  Just like that, your universal cause and effect hoax is debunked.  Smiley

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101 Proofs For God

A growing list of common sense Proofs for God.

Proof for God, #65 Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam

 Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man. This research was fairly recent, starting about 1978. They, of course, do not believe in the creation story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but their conclusions are getting closer and closer.

In case you have not heard about this, it makes very interesting reading. But I think it raises a number of profound challenges to the Theory of Evolution.

The scientists base the above conclusions on the known facts of human reproduction, specifically on properties of the sperm and egg. .....
Full article read here: http://101proofsforgod.blogspot.com/2014/07/65-mitochondial-eve-and-y-chromosome.html

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we have love for each other, share one another. These are the powers that God brings

Those are traits that humans evolved over millions of years.  Smiley


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Unfortunately newtons 3rd law never states that everything has causes. I explained that in the other thread:

'It is sufficient to show that all the motions have causes, which is something that Newton proved with his 3rd law.'' No it's not. Where does newton 3rd law say that all motions have causes? You don't even know what the law says, do you? For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. (FOR EVERY ACTION) meaning that IF there is an action or cause then there is a reaction or effect. Thats only IF not that everything has a cause, nowhere in the law it says that everything has a cause. You are a dishonest liar.

Still wrong.

Not only will you not find a motion in the universe that doesn't have a cause or that isn't a cause, even the idea of it is absurd. Ale there is, is cause and effect, action and reaction.

Cool

Ok since you are going to say the same thing over and over again I will try to make a final statement and if you don't agree with this either I don't think there is a point in continuing the conversation. The idea of everything having causes is just as absurd as something with no cause. Right now, quantum mechanics state that almost all quantum processes are random. This is not me claiming this like you, these are bright minds, far smarter than me and you together that ahve studied this for years and this is what they have come up with. Quantum theory is the best we have, do you understand that? All scientific theories are the best we have right now and I'm not claiming they are 100% true, no one is, when a better theory is known then we use that one but RIGHT NOW, quantum theory just like evolution theory is the best we have, whether you like it or not, it is the best. Can you show us the cause of those quantum processes like radioactive decay? If you can, go ahead, right a paper, get a nobel prize and you will be able to rewrite quantum theory but until you do that you have to accept it as it is. Period.


All except the tiny few quantum processes are random. But they are random from the standpoint that we can't follow the cause and effect processes because of our weak abilities. None of them are pure random, where there are effects that don't have any cause at all.

Here is the proof that cause and effect is universal:
Everything has motion. Even if absolute zero were found somewhere, everything has motion in its subatomic particles or wave (electromagnetic) movement. Can there even be a logical theory for something without motion?

Newton's 3rd Law essentially says C&E with a little more added.

The words "action" and reaction" in the 3rd Law are happening throughout the universe everywhere because there is nowhere in the universe where something is without motion.

Cause and effect is universal. This means that the supposed mutations of evolution have really been caused, rather than being actions without a cause. This changes the whole aspect of what evolution theory suggests evolution is. Evolution was started by whoever/whatever started cause and effect.

All cause and effect operates according to the laws of physics in the universe. Even the pandemonium in a hydrogen nuclear explosion doesn't break the laws of physics. This means that everything is programmed to act the way it does, according to the laws of physics, through universal cause and effect... was programmed right at the Beginning - which entropy shows us there had to be... a beginning.

That which the evolutionists call evolution is something that can't exist, according to the laws of physics, the actions of which are carried out through cause and effect.

Certainly there is change in the universe. Obviously there is a lot of change that we don't understand... we don't know the cause and effect processes that made that change. But we don't need to think about evolution to understand how limited our C&E thinking is. All we need do is watch the way a leaf sways in the breeze, and realize that we have no way of tracking any of the molecules that make it move like it does, all according to cause and effect.

Evolution is just a game that evolutionists and some anthropologists use to make money. When you consider the swaying leaf, the real kind of evolution (whatever we might call it) isn't even important, and won't be until we can track the natural flow of individual atoms and molecules and heat waves much better.

Cool

Claiming that they have a cause is absurd, do you know the cause? If you claim we just don't know the cause then go ahead and propose a solution, simply claiming they do have a cause is bullshit my friend.
You said everything has a cause, I asked you: How do you know? You replied, well you can see many things that have a cause and I can't find anything with no cause. I did give you examples of it yet you insist they do have a cause, how do you know they do have a cause? Maybe they do but maybe they don't, again we can't prove either option so again we have what's left, that is quantum theory not that everything has a cause.

And for god's love stop talking about newton's 3rd law, it doesn't say everything has a cause. ''The words "action" and reaction" in the 3rd Law are happening throughout the universe everywhere because there is nowhere in the universe where something is without motion.'' That is false, action and reaction would happen even if there were things without a cause.



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December 26, 2017, 01:21:16 PM
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Not everything has a cause.

There is no scientific proof of any god.

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December 26, 2017, 01:44:38 PM
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and this fallacies and misinformation are.....?
I will be interesting to hear which facts in this articles are false and why.
Otherwise, I will have to confess that this articles really made impact on me.
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December 26, 2017, 03:55:33 PM
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Not everything has a cause.

There is no scientific proof of any god.

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Yeah proofs could be fake too  Roll Eyes

If you don't know that something is truth or false, that's okay. But if you decide that something is true or false without knowing one way or the other, then YOU have become false. If you don't know, be true, and say that you don't know.

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December 26, 2017, 03:58:37 PM
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Unfortunately newtons 3rd law never states that everything has causes. I explained that in the other thread:

'It is sufficient to show that all the motions have causes, which is something that Newton proved with his 3rd law.'' No it's not. Where does newton 3rd law say that all motions have causes? You don't even know what the law says, do you? For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. (FOR EVERY ACTION) meaning that IF there is an action or cause then there is a reaction or effect. Thats only IF not that everything has a cause, nowhere in the law it says that everything has a cause. You are a dishonest liar.

Still wrong.

Not only will you not find a motion in the universe that doesn't have a cause or that isn't a cause, even the idea of it is absurd. Ale there is, is cause and effect, action and reaction.

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Ok since you are going to say the same thing over and over again I will try to make a final statement and if you don't agree with this either I don't think there is a point in continuing the conversation. The idea of everything having causes is just as absurd as something with no cause. Right now, quantum mechanics state that almost all quantum processes are random. This is not me claiming this like you, these are bright minds, far smarter than me and you together that ahve studied this for years and this is what they have come up with. Quantum theory is the best we have, do you understand that? All scientific theories are the best we have right now and I'm not claiming they are 100% true, no one is, when a better theory is known then we use that one but RIGHT NOW, quantum theory just like evolution theory is the best we have, whether you like it or not, it is the best. Can you show us the cause of those quantum processes like radioactive decay? If you can, go ahead, right a paper, get a nobel prize and you will be able to rewrite quantum theory but until you do that you have to accept it as it is. Period.


All except the tiny few quantum processes are random. But they are random from the standpoint that we can't follow the cause and effect processes because of our weak abilities. None of them are pure random, where there are effects that don't have any cause at all.

Here is the proof that cause and effect is universal:
Everything has motion. Even if absolute zero were found somewhere, everything has motion in its subatomic particles or wave (electromagnetic) movement. Can there even be a logical theory for something without motion?

Newton's 3rd Law essentially says C&E with a little more added.

The words "action" and reaction" in the 3rd Law are happening throughout the universe everywhere because there is nowhere in the universe where something is without motion.

Cause and effect is universal. This means that the supposed mutations of evolution have really been caused, rather than being actions without a cause. This changes the whole aspect of what evolution theory suggests evolution is. Evolution was started by whoever/whatever started cause and effect.

All cause and effect operates according to the laws of physics in the universe. Even the pandemonium in a hydrogen nuclear explosion doesn't break the laws of physics. This means that everything is programmed to act the way it does, according to the laws of physics, through universal cause and effect... was programmed right at the Beginning - which entropy shows us there had to be... a beginning.

That which the evolutionists call evolution is something that can't exist, according to the laws of physics, the actions of which are carried out through cause and effect.

Certainly there is change in the universe. Obviously there is a lot of change that we don't understand... we don't know the cause and effect processes that made that change. But we don't need to think about evolution to understand how limited our C&E thinking is. All we need do is watch the way a leaf sways in the breeze, and realize that we have no way of tracking any of the molecules that make it move like it does, all according to cause and effect.

Evolution is just a game that evolutionists and some anthropologists use to make money. When you consider the swaying leaf, the real kind of evolution (whatever we might call it) isn't even important, and won't be until we can track the natural flow of individual atoms and molecules and heat waves much better.

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Claiming that they have a cause is absurd, do you know the cause? If you claim we just don't know the cause then go ahead and propose a solution, simply claiming they do have a cause is bullshit my friend.
You said everything has a cause, I asked you: How do you know? You replied, well you can see many things that have a cause and I can't find anything with no cause. I did give you examples of it yet you insist they do have a cause, how do you know they do have a cause? Maybe they do but maybe they don't, again we can't prove either option so again we have what's left, that is quantum theory not that everything has a cause.

And for god's love stop talking about newton's 3rd law, it doesn't say everything has a cause. ''The words "action" and reaction" in the 3rd Law are happening throughout the universe everywhere because there is nowhere in the universe where something is without motion.'' That is false, action and reaction would happen even if there were things without a cause.

You are simply stating that Newton's 3rd Law contradicts itself. No scientists seem to think this.

Even in your own big bang theory, BB is the cause for everything... and the result is motion and action in everything.

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December 26, 2017, 04:00:34 PM
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we have love for each other, share one another. These are the powers that God brings

Those are traits that humans evolved over millions of years.  Smiley



I already proved that evolution is a hoax, in the Evolution is a hoax thread, here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg26961799#msg26961799.

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December 26, 2017, 04:56:12 PM
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There is no scientific explanation or formulas that can assure the existent of God due to the reason that science deals with curtain standard, such as numbers and papers, they deal it on that way so that they can get the precise and specific answer, so how can they do it with God when the actions of God is very, miraculous and out of this galaxy

The precise "measurements" that science makes, describe the kinds of knowledge and power that would have to exist to make the universe. They also describe the fact that there was a beginning to the universe... entropy does this.

If we didn't have any idea anywhere of something like God... if a god-concept didn't exist at all... science would have to develop something to fit the measurements that they made regarding the power and information necessary to make the universe. The thing that they would come up with approximately matches what God is suggested to be... the way God is basically described.

Science has proven the existence of God. They simply haven't officially named Him with the name "God."

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Unfortunately newtons 3rd law never states that everything has causes. I explained that in the other thread:

'It is sufficient to show that all the motions have causes, which is something that Newton proved with his 3rd law.'' No it's not. Where does newton 3rd law say that all motions have causes? You don't even know what the law says, do you? For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. (FOR EVERY ACTION) meaning that IF there is an action or cause then there is a reaction or effect. Thats only IF not that everything has a cause, nowhere in the law it says that everything has a cause. You are a dishonest liar.

Still wrong.

Not only will you not find a motion in the universe that doesn't have a cause or that isn't a cause, even the idea of it is absurd. Ale there is, is cause and effect, action and reaction.

Cool

Ok since you are going to say the same thing over and over again I will try to make a final statement and if you don't agree with this either I don't think there is a point in continuing the conversation. The idea of everything having causes is just as absurd as something with no cause. Right now, quantum mechanics state that almost all quantum processes are random. This is not me claiming this like you, these are bright minds, far smarter than me and you together that ahve studied this for years and this is what they have come up with. Quantum theory is the best we have, do you understand that? All scientific theories are the best we have right now and I'm not claiming they are 100% true, no one is, when a better theory is known then we use that one but RIGHT NOW, quantum theory just like evolution theory is the best we have, whether you like it or not, it is the best. Can you show us the cause of those quantum processes like radioactive decay? If you can, go ahead, right a paper, get a nobel prize and you will be able to rewrite quantum theory but until you do that you have to accept it as it is. Period.


All except the tiny few quantum processes are random. But they are random from the standpoint that we can't follow the cause and effect processes because of our weak abilities. None of them are pure random, where there are effects that don't have any cause at all.

Here is the proof that cause and effect is universal:
Everything has motion. Even if absolute zero were found somewhere, everything has motion in its subatomic particles or wave (electromagnetic) movement. Can there even be a logical theory for something without motion?

Newton's 3rd Law essentially says C&E with a little more added.

The words "action" and reaction" in the 3rd Law are happening throughout the universe everywhere because there is nowhere in the universe where something is without motion.

Cause and effect is universal. This means that the supposed mutations of evolution have really been caused, rather than being actions without a cause. This changes the whole aspect of what evolution theory suggests evolution is. Evolution was started by whoever/whatever started cause and effect.

All cause and effect operates according to the laws of physics in the universe. Even the pandemonium in a hydrogen nuclear explosion doesn't break the laws of physics. This means that everything is programmed to act the way it does, according to the laws of physics, through universal cause and effect... was programmed right at the Beginning - which entropy shows us there had to be... a beginning.

That which the evolutionists call evolution is something that can't exist, according to the laws of physics, the actions of which are carried out through cause and effect.

Certainly there is change in the universe. Obviously there is a lot of change that we don't understand... we don't know the cause and effect processes that made that change. But we don't need to think about evolution to understand how limited our C&E thinking is. All we need do is watch the way a leaf sways in the breeze, and realize that we have no way of tracking any of the molecules that make it move like it does, all according to cause and effect.

Evolution is just a game that evolutionists and some anthropologists use to make money. When you consider the swaying leaf, the real kind of evolution (whatever we might call it) isn't even important, and won't be until we can track the natural flow of individual atoms and molecules and heat waves much better.

Cool

Claiming that they have a cause is absurd, do you know the cause? If you claim we just don't know the cause then go ahead and propose a solution, simply claiming they do have a cause is bullshit my friend.
You said everything has a cause, I asked you: How do you know? You replied, well you can see many things that have a cause and I can't find anything with no cause. I did give you examples of it yet you insist they do have a cause, how do you know they do have a cause? Maybe they do but maybe they don't, again we can't prove either option so again we have what's left, that is quantum theory not that everything has a cause.

And for god's love stop talking about newton's 3rd law, it doesn't say everything has a cause. ''The words "action" and reaction" in the 3rd Law are happening throughout the universe everywhere because there is nowhere in the universe where something is without motion.'' That is false, action and reaction would happen even if there were things without a cause.

You are simply stating that Newton's 3rd Law contradicts itself. No scientists seem to think this.

Even in your own big bang theory, BB is the cause for everything... and the result is motion and action in everything.

Cool

Show me 1 scientist that thinks newton's 3rd law means that everything has a cause, can you? How does the 3rd law contradict itself? It never says that everything has a cause, it says that everything THAT has a cause will have an effect/reaction. It never says anywhere that everything has a cause, unless you can show me, which you obviously can't, you are just trolling now.



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December 26, 2017, 05:43:34 PM
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I already proved that evolution is a hoax

And we already debunked that "proof" here in this thread, just a few posts up.

If you don't know that something is truth or false, that's okay. But if you decide that something is true or false without knowing one way or the other, then YOU have become false.

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I already proved that evolution is a hoax

And we already debunked that "proof" here in this thread, just a few posts up.

If you don't know that something is truth or false, that's okay. But if you decide that something is true or false without knowing one way or the other, then YOU have become false.

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God listened to your request, and gave you your debunking, so you stand rebutted.

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God listened to your request, and gave you your debunking, so you stand rebutted.

We debunked your god already.

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