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April 07, 2018, 12:27:11 PM
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if you ask the scientific evidence about the existence of god then you already know the answer, for example like yourself, try to think, you are so smart and great, logically there must be other intelligence that created you and that is proof that god exist.

Which god?



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April 07, 2018, 01:11:04 PM
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if you ask the scientific evidence about the existence of god then you already know the answer, for example like yourself, try to think, you are so smart and great, logically there must be other intelligence that created you and that is proof that god exist.
Please go read up on this website: http://www.godfallacies.com/

This will explain your fallacy.....

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April 10, 2018, 05:23:38 AM
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On the face of it, I disagree that "the thread of salvation through the Messiah runs throughout the whole" of the Bible. I found that the Dead Sea Scrolls support my position:

The messiah, according to Jewish [and early Christian] belief, was not a God that would deliver his people by clearing their way to heaven. The messiah was to be an empowered King who would destroy the enemies of the Jews and regain their Holy Land.

Waaaaa? In Christian belief Jesus was never to be one to fight any victory through waging war. Jesus never looked at territorial claims of the Jews.



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April 10, 2018, 06:07:16 AM
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when I feel I am nobody, I can not do anything I pray and ask the god to help me and God comes to help me through people closest to me so I can find a way out for all my problems. that is where I believe that God exists  Smiley
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April 10, 2018, 09:36:21 AM
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From what I've learned, the universe is holding in a fine tuned line. It cannot exist without the constant forces of gravity, dispersion, etc. Even our DNA is made up of a finely tuned mechanism of molecules that seems to be designed and not merely just randomly existed. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. "beginning" is time, "heaven" is space and "earth" is matter. The Big Bang theory also suggests that these 3 elements are the major components of the universe.
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April 10, 2018, 10:03:23 AM
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From what I've learned, the universe is holding in a fine tuned line. It cannot exist without the constant forces of gravity, dispersion, etc. Even our DNA is made up of a finely tuned mechanism of molecules that seems to be designed and not merely just randomly existed. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. "beginning" is time, "heaven" is space and "earth" is matter. The Big Bang theory also suggests that these 3 elements are the major components of the universe.

Rofl, heaven is space and earth is matter because you say so? Give me a break with your bullshit interpretations. No thanks. Leave.



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April 10, 2018, 12:53:24 PM
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cientific evidence that God exists exists indeed with the existence of the earth and the universe is also a very beautiful universe for us to use.
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April 10, 2018, 12:57:09 PM
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God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.
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April 10, 2018, 01:22:24 PM
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God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

How do you know that, though?



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April 10, 2018, 07:57:23 PM
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God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

How do you know that, though?

The kind of complexity. If there were no human life and spirit complexity, even though there might be some complexity that approaches it, then we might be able to conclude that we needed something more than complexity. But because the complexity is of the mankind type, and is a complexity beyond mankind's ability to figure out, the beyond-mankind thing that made this complexity fits the definition of God.

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April 10, 2018, 07:59:29 PM
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From what I've learned, the universe is holding in a fine tuned line. It cannot exist without the constant forces of gravity, dispersion, etc. Even our DNA is made up of a finely tuned mechanism of molecules that seems to be designed and not merely just randomly existed. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. "beginning" is time, "heaven" is space and "earth" is matter. The Big Bang theory also suggests that these 3 elements are the major components of the universe.

Rofl, heaven is space and earth is matter because you say so? Give me a break with your bullshit interpretations. No thanks. Leave.

When you get down into the micro of matter far enough, you find that all matter is energy. We don't have an example of any matter that is NOT some form of energy within its core existence.

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April 10, 2018, 08:02:33 PM
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if you ask the scientific evidence about the existence of god then you already know the answer, for example like yourself, try to think, you are so smart and great, logically there must be other intelligence that created you and that is proof that god exist.

Which god?

The real God that science shows exists, and Whose nature is clearly explained in the Bible, and Who possibly shouldn't even be called "God," because He is unfathomably greater than anything we think of when we say "God."

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April 10, 2018, 08:14:12 PM
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if you ask the scientific evidence about the existence of god then you already know the answer, for example like yourself, try to think, you are so smart and great, logically there must be other intelligence that created you and that is proof that god exist.

Which god?

The real God that science shows exists, and Whose nature is clearly explained in the Bible, and Who possibly shouldn't even be called "God," because He is unfathomably greater than anything we think of when we say "God."

Cool

In the Quran* He is the real god, not your silly bible god, be careful or you will go to hell for saying these things, please, do not disrespect the real god, allah.



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April 10, 2018, 08:15:28 PM
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God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

How do you know that, though?

The kind of complexity. If there were no human life and spirit complexity, even though there might be some complexity that approaches it, then we might be able to conclude that we needed something more than complexity. But because the complexity is of the mankind type, and is a complexity beyond mankind's ability to figure out, the beyond-mankind thing that made this complexity fits the definition of God.

Cool

Complexity forms naturally, like a seed into a plant, it doesn't need a god or anyone, complexity does not indicate creation, sorry.



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God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

How do you know that, though?

The kind of complexity. If there were no human life and spirit complexity, even though there might be some complexity that approaches it, then we might be able to conclude that we needed something more than complexity. But because the complexity is of the mankind type, and is a complexity beyond mankind's ability to figure out, the beyond-mankind thing that made this complexity fits the definition of God.

Cool

Complexity forms naturally, like a seed into a plant, it doesn't need a god or anyone, complexity does not indicate creation, sorry.

Do you find the complexity of a car or computer forming naturally, without some intelligent guidance?

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April 10, 2018, 09:12:00 PM
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if you ask the scientific evidence about the existence of god then you already know the answer, for example like yourself, try to think, you are so smart and great, logically there must be other intelligence that created you and that is proof that god exist.

Which god?

The real God that science shows exists, and Whose nature is clearly explained in the Bible, and Who possibly shouldn't even be called "God," because He is unfathomably greater than anything we think of when we say "God."

Cool

In the Quran* He is the real god, not your silly bible god, be careful or you will go to hell for saying these things, please, do not disrespect the real god, allah.
ROFL  Grin Grin Cheesy

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April 10, 2018, 09:14:08 PM
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God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

How do you know that, though?

The kind of complexity. If there were no human life and spirit complexity, even though there might be some complexity that approaches it, then we might be able to conclude that we needed something more than complexity. But because the complexity is of the mankind type, and is a complexity beyond mankind's ability to figure out, the beyond-mankind thing that made this complexity fits the definition of God.

Cool

Complexity forms naturally, like a seed into a plant, it doesn't need a god or anyone, complexity does not indicate creation, sorry.


Do you find the complexity of a car or computer forming naturally, without some intelligent guidance?

Cool

Wow...just wow.....its like they feed of each other?? Its super fun to watch.


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April 10, 2018, 09:23:41 PM
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God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

How do you know that, though?

The kind of complexity. If there were no human life and spirit complexity, even though there might be some complexity that approaches it, then we might be able to conclude that we needed something more than complexity. But because the complexity is of the mankind type, and is a complexity beyond mankind's ability to figure out, the beyond-mankind thing that made this complexity fits the definition of God.

Cool

Complexity forms naturally, like a seed into a plant, it doesn't need a god or anyone, complexity does not indicate creation, sorry.

Do you find the complexity of a car or computer forming naturally, without some intelligent guidance?

Cool

I know a car and a computer are man made, what do you mean?



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April 10, 2018, 09:36:39 PM
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Hes talking about the complexity fallacy:

Fallacy 1: The World Needs God As Creator Fallacy
A traditional and still popular notion is that the world is so complex that it needed God to create it. Our origins fascinated even ancient societies and various myths described creation. Monotheists started from ancient times to claim God was necessary as the Creator. This has continued through Thomas Aquinas and William Paley even to Antony Flew who eventually converted to theism because he came to see a need for a creator God as designer of our world.

However the notion that a sophisticated world needs God as its Creator and designer is logically fallacious in two major ways.

Even the most famous design argument and analogy, that of William Paley (1743-1805) who wrote just as a sophisticated watch (unlike a rock) implies a watchmaker, a complex world implies a Creator who is God, has this fallacy. Suppose, as Paley did, that a watch implies a watchmaker, that watchmaker is not God and is not immortal. Likewise even supposing the world has a Creator, that Creator need be neither God nor even immortal. Furthermore, unlike in Paley’s day we are aware not just of evolutionary processes but also of robotic manufacture and artificial computer-like intelligences. Yes, there is a mystery concerning our ultimate genesis, but God is not needed as the solution.

The other fallacy is if one claims the world required a more sophisticated being, God, to create it, one is attempting to solve a problem by creating a yet greater problem. If we are in need of a creator God who is more powerful and greater than us to bring us into existence, that greater God being more wondrous than us would be even more in need than us of some Creator to create and explain it! Indeed as, unlike us, God would be immortally God, it could not develop nor evolve to its present glory over time but must be from the very beginning omnipotent and omniscient – an extraordinary phenomenon, far more inexplicable than even us. Far from solving or explaining the problem of our ultimate origin, the concept of God is actually massively enhancing the problem.

So the notion that God is needed to or even can satisfactorily explain existence as we see it is logically fallacious.

Source: http://www.godfallacies.com/

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April 10, 2018, 09:40:34 PM
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Hes talking about the complexity fallacy:

Fallacy 1: The World Needs God As Creator Fallacy
A traditional and still popular notion is that the world is so complex that it needed God to create it. Our origins fascinated even ancient societies and various myths described creation. Monotheists started from ancient times to claim God was necessary as the Creator. This has continued through Thomas Aquinas and William Paley even to Antony Flew who eventually converted to theism because he came to see a need for a creator God as designer of our world.

However the notion that a sophisticated world needs God as its Creator and designer is logically fallacious in two major ways.

Even the most famous design argument and analogy, that of William Paley (1743-1805) who wrote just as a sophisticated watch (unlike a rock) implies a watchmaker, a complex world implies a Creator who is God, has this fallacy. Suppose, as Paley did, that a watch implies a watchmaker, that watchmaker is not God and is not immortal. Likewise even supposing the world has a Creator, that Creator need be neither God nor even immortal. Furthermore, unlike in Paley’s day we are aware not just of evolutionary processes but also of robotic manufacture and artificial computer-like intelligences. Yes, there is a mystery concerning our ultimate genesis, but God is not needed as the solution.

The other fallacy is if one claims the world required a more sophisticated being, God, to create it, one is attempting to solve a problem by creating a yet greater problem. If we are in need of a creator God who is more powerful and greater than us to bring us into existence, that greater God being more wondrous than us would be even more in need than us of some Creator to create and explain it! Indeed as, unlike us, God would be immortally God, it could not develop nor evolve to its present glory over time but must be from the very beginning omnipotent and omniscient – an extraordinary phenomenon, far more inexplicable than even us. Far from solving or explaining the problem of our ultimate origin, the concept of God is actually massively enhancing the problem.

So the notion that God is needed to or even can satisfactorily explain existence as we see it is logically fallacious.

Source: http://www.godfallacies.com/

Yeah, well, I debunked his fallacies a few hundred posts ago but he always comes back saying the same stupid shit, not much you can do to convince a nutjob but that's a nice website.



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