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April 02, 2018, 03:58:53 PM
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God is exist. I believed.
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April 02, 2018, 04:14:03 PM
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As you are human you will only discuss human (your) definitions of god.

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April 02, 2018, 04:27:47 PM
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Notice how BADecker is 100% sure there's a God yet he rejects the proof that God exists. BADecker rejects the science of a flat and motionless Earth covered by an engineered dome and, he also rejects the Bible that says on the very first page in the first few paragraphs that the Earth is covered by a dome; implying that it's flat.

Nope old BADecker here wants you to believe the satanic lies of a spinning globe Earth in a vacuum going around the Sun a gorillion miles wide 93 gorillion miles away in something called a "solar system". Oh but there's a God he wants you to believe in, the false God of the spinning ball Earth, complete with (((transvestite))) "space aliens" LARPing as man's angelic creators.





YES!! This is the SHIT I want to see. A fight between 2 complete nutjobs, actually, notbatman is definitely a little bit crazier than badecker.
I second that! /me gets out his popcorn...

And on that note both badecker and notbatman pls watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY&list=PL126AFB53A6F002CC
And then when you are done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdTDBq7ko5Y&list=PLXJ4dsU0oGMKnaxEzgOPup9WKlNPZwiJN Or maybe watch the 2nd one first.....

I know its a lot to take in....being logical and packed with scientific facts....but please do try to expand your tiny minds.
Doxastic closeness is just a terrible affliction.



Approximately all of the things that you and the videos say against religion, fit science better.

Science acknowledges that they have only scratched the surface of that which there is to know. With this acknowledgement they have admitted that they absolutely don't know that the things of Bod and the Bible are not something full of science way beyond what we know.

God reveals Himself in the Bible. Since science doesn't understand God very much, it often rejects Him. But you can find many scientists who accept Him.

Science has no knowledge of any way that cause and effect combined with entropy combined with complexity, as they exist in this universe, could scientifically exist together without God. Yet these three things - C&E, entropy, and complexity - are abundantly visible all over the place without anything to refute them.

This makes the science that says that God does not exist, to not only be an extremely weak science, but it makes science to simply be another false religion when believed this way.

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April 02, 2018, 04:42:43 PM
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On the face of it, I disagree that "the thread of salvation through the Messiah runs throughout the whole" of the Bible. I found that the Dead Sea Scrolls support my position:

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April 02, 2018, 04:43:20 PM
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As long as "God" remains in the realm of the supernatural, ie, the unobservable, there will never be scientific proof that he/she/it exists by definition.  Science, by definition, is about building and testing hypothesis based on repeatable, observable experimentation.  Anyone who expects to find scientific proof for "God" either has a non-traditional view of "God" (ie God is not supernatural) or else has a mistaken view of science.

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April 02, 2018, 05:15:42 PM
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If there is such things as a super being, there is no reason why there is only one super being as the creator. Everything we know could be designed and created by a ring of super beings, or even different types of super beings. So, the god(s) we know today could all exist, or none of them existed and we got it all wrong

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April 02, 2018, 10:57:48 PM
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Notice how BADecker is 100% sure there's a God yet he rejects the proof that God exists. BADecker rejects the science of a flat and motionless Earth covered by an engineered dome and, he also rejects the Bible that says on the very first page in the first few paragraphs that the Earth is covered by a dome; implying that it's flat.

Nope old BADecker here wants you to believe the satanic lies of a spinning globe Earth in a vacuum going around the Sun a gorillion miles wide 93 gorillion miles away in something called a "solar system". Oh but there's a God he wants you to believe in, the false God of the spinning ball Earth, complete with (((transvestite))) "space aliens" LARPing as man's angelic creators.





YES!! This is the SHIT I want to see. A fight between 2 complete nutjobs, actually, notbatman is definitely a little bit crazier than badecker.
I second that! /me gets out his popcorn...

And on that note both badecker and notbatman pls watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY&list=PL126AFB53A6F002CC
And then when you are done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdTDBq7ko5Y&list=PLXJ4dsU0oGMKnaxEzgOPup9WKlNPZwiJN Or maybe watch the 2nd one first.....

I know its a lot to take in....being logical and packed with scientific facts....but please do try to expand your tiny minds.
Doxastic closeness is just a terrible affliction.



Approximately all of the things that you and the videos say against religion, fit science better.

Science acknowledges that they have only scratched the surface of that which there is to know. With this acknowledgement they have admitted that they absolutely don't know that the things of Bod and the Bible are not something full of science way beyond what we know.

God reveals Himself in the Bible. Since science doesn't understand God very much, it often rejects Him. But you can find many scientists who accept Him.

Science has no knowledge of any way that cause and effect combined with entropy combined with complexity, as they exist in this universe, could scientifically exist together without God. Yet these three things - C&E, entropy, and complexity - are abundantly visible all over the place without anything to refute them.

This makes the science that says that God does not exist, to not only be an extremely weak science, but it makes science to simply be another false religion when believed this way.

Cool

On the other hand religion doesn't acknowledge anything and simply claims it knows god exists, I don't see how that's better than acknowledging that we still have a lot to discover.

Religion has no knowledge of any way that cause and effect combined with entropy combined with complexity, as they exist in this universe, exist because of god. There is nothing that indicates a god has to exist because those 3 things exist.



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April 03, 2018, 07:36:14 AM
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Sure. God exists. Is only a fool that will say God did not exist,  he is the creator of everything so call on earth
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April 04, 2018, 12:52:56 AM
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Notice how BADecker is 100% sure there's a God yet he rejects the proof that God exists. BADecker rejects the science of a flat and motionless Earth covered by an engineered dome and, he also rejects the Bible that says on the very first page in the first few paragraphs that the Earth is covered by a dome; implying that it's flat.

Nope old BADecker here wants you to believe the satanic lies of a spinning globe Earth in a vacuum going around the Sun a gorillion miles wide 93 gorillion miles away in something called a "solar system". Oh but there's a God he wants you to believe in, the false God of the spinning ball Earth, complete with (((transvestite))) "space aliens" LARPing as man's angelic creators.





YES!! This is the SHIT I want to see. A fight between 2 complete nutjobs, actually, notbatman is definitely a little bit crazier than badecker.
I second that! /me gets out his popcorn...

And on that note both badecker and notbatman pls watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY&list=PL126AFB53A6F002CC
And then when you are done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdTDBq7ko5Y&list=PLXJ4dsU0oGMKnaxEzgOPup9WKlNPZwiJN Or maybe watch the 2nd one first.....

I know its a lot to take in....being logical and packed with scientific facts....but please do try to expand your tiny minds.
Doxastic closeness is just a terrible affliction.



Approximately all of the things that you and the videos say against religion, fit science better.

Science acknowledges that they have only scratched the surface of that which there is to know. With this acknowledgement they have admitted that they absolutely don't know that the things of Bod and the Bible are not something full of science way beyond what we know.

God reveals Himself in the Bible. Since science doesn't understand God very much, it often rejects Him. But you can find many scientists who accept Him.

Science has no knowledge of any way that cause and effect combined with entropy combined with complexity, as they exist in this universe, could scientifically exist together without God. Yet these three things - C&E, entropy, and complexity - are abundantly visible all over the place without anything to refute them.

This makes the science that says that God does not exist, to not only be an extremely weak science, but it makes science to simply be another false religion when believed this way.

Cool

On the other hand religion doesn't acknowledge anything and simply claims it knows god exists, I don't see how that's better than acknowledging that we still have a lot to discover.
Do you really believe that? It is your religion. So you nullify everything that you say by what you say. Especially when you say that religion claims that God exists, and then you claim in your religion that He doesn't.



Religion has no knowledge of any way that cause and effect combined with entropy combined with complexity, as they exist in this universe, exist because of god. There is nothing that indicates a god has to exist because those 3 things exist.

Religion doesn't have knowledge. People have knowledge. Religion is about people believing things that they don't have knowledge of.

Science (not religion) shows that God exists scientifically - C&E, entropy, complexity. Someone who doesn't understand science, might suggest that these 3 don't prove God's existence. Others who don't understand science might suggest that these 3 DO prove God's existence. Such people have science as their religion, because they don't understand science, yet believe something that should be understood scientifically. If they understood, they wouldn't have to believe.

The fact that you continually talk about believing in a science thread, shows that either you don't understand science, or you are a troll who is trying to move the religion of people who don't understand science into directions you want them to believe.

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April 04, 2018, 01:17:01 AM
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You're very life is a good testimony that God really exist.  He's everywhere   and our everything.
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April 04, 2018, 01:51:03 AM
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Science can not prove that God exists in life. God is only spiritual. live in the soul of each person.

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April 04, 2018, 03:45:08 AM
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Scientific evidence of God exists, because there is this nature ..!
like there is a cake in front of us, it is impossible that the cake is made alone without anyone making the dough.
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April 04, 2018, 12:38:04 PM
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What do you think?
Please share your opinion about this article.


101 Proofs For God

A growing list of common sense Proofs for God.

Proof for God, #65 Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam

 Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man. This research was fairly recent, starting about 1978. They, of course, do not believe in the creation story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but their conclusions are getting closer and closer.

In case you have not heard about this, it makes very interesting reading. But I think it raises a number of profound challenges to the Theory of Evolution.

The scientists base the above conclusions on the known facts of human reproduction, specifically on properties of the sperm and egg. .....
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Whatever God is, the fact that the universe exists proves that God exists.
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April 04, 2018, 08:19:29 PM
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So Badecker...just so I understand what your trying to say:

You believe that C&E + entropy + complexity = god?? Really? That's your reason for believing in a god?

The sea is huge and mighty, and terrible storms kill many people and sink boats and all the mighty creatures that dwell in its vast depths have therefore convinced me that Poseidon is real.........or I could believe that red + bells + snow = Santa!

You also are trying to fall back on the "Science doesn't understand Religion" routine which is fine....but understanding religion is not what Science has to do...cos it comes down to faith (which is believing in something despite the complete lack of evidence) which goes against everything scientific.

Understanding the Universe is what WE have to do. You religious nuts are very happy to just say "God did it" and that's the end of it.
If curious minds never inquired about the HOW and WHY of things...you wouldn't be sitting in front of your LED-backlit display using thin-film-transistor liquid-crystal displays on your portable laptop connected to a world wide network of fibre optic cables that are the thickness of 0.5mm made of glass and can transmit terabytes if not petabytes of information......none of which we would have today if us heretics had given up cos they were happy with "God did it".

Do you know the one of first female mathematicians (Hypatia 370-415 AD) was dragged out and killed by a christian mob for being a heretic?
Can you imagine how far our society would have progressed if she had flourished? If she had kids and they grew up maths whizs....If all scientific knowledge had been encouraged instead of suppressed...we are  almost 1500 years behind scientifically were we could have been.....thanks to religion.



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April 04, 2018, 11:17:40 PM
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So Badecker...just so I understand what your trying to say:

You believe that C&E + entropy + complexity = god?? Really? That's your reason for believing in a god?

The sea is huge and mighty, and terrible storms kill many people and sink boats and all the mighty creatures that dwell in its vast depths have therefore convinced me that Poseidon is real.........or I could believe that red + bells + snow = Santa!

You also are trying to fall back on the "Science doesn't understand Religion" routine which is fine....but understanding religion is not what Science has to do...cos it comes down to faith (which is believing in something despite the complete lack of evidence) which goes against everything scientific.

Understanding the Universe is what WE have to do. You religious nuts are very happy to just say "God did it" and that's the end of it.
If curious minds never inquired about the HOW and WHY of things...you wouldn't be sitting in front of your LED-backlit display using thin-film-transistor liquid-crystal displays on your portable laptop connected to a world wide network of fibre optic cables that are the thickness of 0.5mm made of glass and can transmit terabytes if not petabytes of information......none of which we would have today if us heretics had given up cos they were happy with "God did it".

Do you know the one of first female mathematicians (Hypatia 370-415 AD) was dragged out and killed by a christian mob for being a heretic?
Can you imagine how far our society would have progressed if she had flourished? If she had kids and they grew up maths whizs....If all scientific knowledge had been encouraged instead of suppressed...we are  almost 1500 years behind scientifically were we could have been.....thanks to religion.




He agrees that all of those things just show that there is something that created everything, then he always says that that something has to be god because it fits the definition of god, what he doesn't understand is how do we even came up with the definition of god in the first place.



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April 05, 2018, 01:23:49 AM
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So Badecker...just so I understand what your trying to say:

You believe that C&E + entropy + complexity = god?? Really? That's your reason for believing in a god?
Well, actually, I wasn't saying that at all. This is a science knowledge thread. My or anybody's religious beliefs aren't the topic of this thread. You are starting to sound like Astargath... religion rather than science.



The sea is huge and mighty, and terrible storms kill many people and sink boats and all the mighty creatures that dwell in its vast depths have therefore convinced me that Poseidon is real.........or I could believe that red + bells + snow = Santa!
Good! You are starting to examine some science to maintain something. Continue to learn and examine science. You will find the flaws in your thinking if you do this simple thing conscientiously.



You also are trying to fall back on the "Science doesn't understand Religion" routine which is fine....but understanding religion is not what Science has to do...cos it comes down to faith (which is believing in something despite the complete lack of evidence) which goes against everything scientific.
You are a bit too vague in what you say here. Science doesn't understand anything. So why would it understand religion? Some people use science to understand religion. Others use science to understand other things. Many people don't understand the science they use, but think they do, thereby treating the science they use as a religion for themselves.

BTW, nobody believes anything in a complete lack of evidence situation. Their evidence might only be that they are aware of something. So, there is always some evidence.



Understanding the Universe is what WE have to do. You religious nuts are very happy to just say "God did it" and that's the end of it.
That's quite an unscientific statement that you have there. Many scientists analyze and use much science, but still have religious faith in things that science doesn't explain.


If curious minds never inquired about the HOW and WHY of things...you wouldn't be sitting in front of your LED-backlit display using thin-film-transistor liquid-crystal displays on your portable laptop connected to a world wide network of fibre optic cables that are the thickness of 0.5mm made of glass and can transmit terabytes if not petabytes of information......none of which we would have today if us heretics had given up cos they were happy with "God did it".
Actually, it's the other way around much of the time. There are many scientists who ask for guidance from God regarding their discoveries, and God guides them.



Do you know the one of first female mathematicians (Hypatia 370-415 AD) was dragged out and killed by a christian mob for being a heretic?
Did you ever have a spelling quiz in grade school... maybe even high school? I noticed that you spelled most of the words of your post, here, correctly. It's similar in chemistry. If you don't get the chemicals just right, you won't get the desired results.

What am I saying? When you spell something, it's the same word that the witches use when they cast a spell. You better have it "spelled" correctly or it won't work.


Can you imagine how far our society would have progressed if she had flourished? If she had kids and they grew up maths whizs....If all scientific knowledge had been encouraged instead of suppressed...we are  almost 1500 years behind scientifically were we could have been.....thanks to religion.


Everybody in religion makes mistakes. Many people of the Christian religion make mistakes. Many people of the science religion make mistakes.

The thing I am trying to do is show you scientifically that God is a Science Guy, at least with regard to scientists. His science is so far beyond that science of scientists of this world, that many of our science think that God is a Religion Guy.

Many science people understand how C&E + entropy + complexity show that God exists, even though none of them can actually grab a hold of Him. It's similar with empty space. Empty space is essentially "nothing." It penetrates the universe. You can measure it's existence by measuring relationships in things within empty space. But you can't grab hold of empty space. Empty space doesn't produce complexity. But like empty space exists, God exists and produces complexity. One day our science might reach a little of the level of God science.

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April 05, 2018, 02:53:00 AM
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The Science itself is a proof that God exist. Why? Because Science also believe that there is a Divine Power behind the mystery of the world. Yes, no one can explain what is the image of God, but through the amazing creatures He had create is enough evidence that He is existing.

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April 05, 2018, 04:35:40 AM
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I propose a seminar.. or at least a wee room filled with those that keep this topic going, with interesting comments.. lets see for ourselves the evidence both for and against. I say this, because I have offered to prove the existance of a diety some would call god. After providing the evidence, no one will have any doubt that even god fears what I will show.. and hence the silence with regards to my 'correct' points of view, that many want 'hushed up'.. hence they naysayers.. quite smply, if the devil exists, so does god.. light is his body, but light of the fire, hence the devil, or the ball above our heads, fact is they are two seperate entities in accordance with distance, and scientific fact, one will suck us into the earth to a hell, or one will drag us through space to burn in an even bigger light.
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I propose a seminar.. or at least a wee room filled with those that keep this topic going, with interesting comments.. lets see for ourselves the evidence both for and against. I say this, because I have offered to prove the existance of a diety some would call god. After providing the evidence, no one will have any doubt that even god fears what I will show.. and hence the silence with regards to my 'correct' points of view, that many want 'hushed up'.. hence they naysayers.. quite smply, if the devil exists, so does god.. light is his body, but light of the fire, hence the devil, or the ball above our heads, fact is they are two seperate entities in accordance with distance, and scientific fact, one will suck us into the earth to a hell, or one will drag us through space to burn in an even bigger light.

Is any of this scientific proof for or against?    Cool
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April 05, 2018, 04:09:13 PM
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On the face of it, I disagree that "the thread of salvation through the Messiah runs throughout the whole" of the Bible. I found that the Dead Sea Scrolls support my position:

The messiah, according to Jewish [and early Christian] belief, was not a God that would deliver his people by clearing their way to heaven. The messiah was to be an empowered King who would destroy the enemies of the Jews and regain their Holy Land.

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