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December 23, 2017, 02:47:23 PM
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Your point number 3 is wrong, though if it was the protocols you were refering to I would'nt be at all surprised..

Seems to me that folks dont wanna mention that the real reason jesus was killed was for lending and charging interest, going against the grain of whatever we are told regarding neither a borrower or a lender be.. he was killed for being a banker.. by hiding this fact they allow banking traits. This is probably why jews dont use jesus's name or masons use jesus name in the kapa valley (church)..

I have mentioned that space is where time becomes a loop, we will repeat 10.000 times every mistake until we learn not to make said mistakes, and if we kept a diary from day 1 of our birth, we'd know that no matter what is written, it WILL become reality as soon as the ink touches the paper, aka the power of the written word, once reality on paper becomes reality in fact.. I used to draw pictures of naked women until one came real, my daughter says the drawing looks like her mum.. the drawing was done 3 years before I met her..

Seems that people don't want to mention the real reason that Jesus was killed.

Isaiah 48"9-11:
     9“For the sake of My name I delay My wrath,
            And for My praise I restrain it for you,
            In order not to cut you off.

      10“Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver;
            I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.

      11“For My own sake, for My own sake, I will act;
            For how can My name be profaned?
            And My glory I will not give to another."

What does that have to do with Jesus? Just this:
     17Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel,
            “I am the LORD your God, who teaches you to profit,
            Who leads you in the way you should go."

Where does it say "Jesus" in that passage? In the word "Redeemer," and in the word "LORD" preceding it. Note that when the word "LORD" is used in all caps in the Old Testament translations, it is referring to the literal Name of God, the Name that He gave to the people of Israel to call Him by.

In other words, Jesus is God. Jesus died to uphold God's Name and God's purity in the eyes of men and angels. God let the Jews think they were killing Jesus for the sake of money. But that wasn't the real reason God allowed and even promoted it. It was for the honor of His Own Name that He did it.

Now that we have messed in religion, again, let's get back on topic and find science regarding the existence or non-existence of God.

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December 23, 2017, 02:52:23 PM
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As you say, we don't have evidence of any thing that can make the complexity of the universe. That leaves room for God, only. God, not being a thing, or anything, has made the universe.


Right! We have no evidence other than the machine-nature of the universe. And machines have makers. This is the simplest proof.

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Right, we have no evidence than the magic spaghetti-nature of the universe and since all spaghetti magic is made by the spaghetti god, the universe is therefore made by the spaghetti god, this is the simplest proof, irrefutable.

It's always funny to hear "every single solitary thing in the universe has a cause, except my god" LOLOLOL!

Now the next topic:  Scientific proof ALLAH exists. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0
Just replace God every time its mentioned with Allah, bam proof 100% irrefutable.  BADecker are you Muslim now?

I know. You have to bring religion into it. And the reason is because you can't find any science to refute the things I say.

I don't blame you, however. We all fight when our religion is shown to be useless. Now, can we stay on topic with science?

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December 23, 2017, 03:05:48 PM
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In other words, Jesus is God. Jesus died to uphold God's Name and God's purity in the eyes of men and angels. God let the Jews think they were killing Jesus for the sake of money. But that wasn't the real reason God allowed and even promoted it. It was for the honor of His Own Name that He did it.


God promoted and allowed the death of his only son for the honor of his own name?

You worship a sick god my man, a sick disgusting god.

Even if science was a religion (which let me clearly say it's not, its pretty much the opposite of it lol which is why all religions have feared it forever!) at least my science doesn't worship and egotistical sky fairy that promotes the death of their only child.

Face it bud Astargath destroyed every argument you made.

Even theologians don't make the claims you are.  Probably because they don't want to sound too silly.
Even your fellow religious brethren in this here thread tell you god requires belief and faith.
Even your circular logic proves any and every god or anything else you want to make up.

You are literally the only person saying this absolute non sense, at least notbatman had a couple buddies and some other morons with his movement.

Face it man you sound silly, lost the argument hundreds of pages ago.  Frankly at this point you come across as a raving lunatic.

Well done Astargath for putting up with this sillyness for so long and doing such a good job.  +million bud!

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December 23, 2017, 03:38:15 PM
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In other words, Jesus is God. Jesus died to uphold God's Name and God's purity in the eyes of men and angels. God let the Jews think they were killing Jesus for the sake of money. But that wasn't the real reason God allowed and even promoted it. It was for the honor of His Own Name that He did it.


God promoted and allowed the death of his only son for the honor of his own name?

You worship a sick god my man, a sick disgusting god.

Even if science was a religion (which let me clearly say it's not, its pretty much the opposite of it lol which is why all religions have feared it forever!) at least my science doesn't worship and egotistical sky fairy that promotes the death of their only child.

Face it bud Astargath destroyed every argument you made.

Even theologians don't make the claims you are.  Probably because they don't want to sound too silly.
Even your fellow religious brethren in this here thread tell you god requires belief and faith.
Even your circular logic proves any and every god or anything else you want to make up.

You are literally the only person saying this absolute non sense, at least notbatman had a couple buddies and some other morons with his movement.

Face it man you sound silly, lost the argument hundreds of pages ago.  Frankly at this point you come across as a raving lunatic.

Well done Astargath for putting up with this sillyness for so long and doing such a good job.  +million bud!

You forget the part that God upholding His honor and His Name is the thing that keeps mankind in existence. This is the reason why your "sick" really is health for us.

Science of itself is not a religion. But when people believe that science theory is fact, they have turned science into a religion for themselves. Why? Because all science theory can have opposing science theory if only some scientist would make the opposing theory. This is especially true now that we have Quantum Mechanics (which is also a theory). This makes science theory to be in the unknown classification regarding whether it is fact or not. Anybody who believes an unknown to be fact, essentially has a religion going for himself.

Have you looked at what the religious brethren say, and those to whom they say it? Mostly they talk to average people with the idea of salvation. But when you look at what the scientists who investigate the Bible say, they have all kinds of understandings that are far beyond the science of this world, and often very different than what the people teachers say.

You are just another religions science person, turning science into a religion for yourself, because you don't want to look at reality.

Any argument that I have lost is in the political science realms, where I don't really like going. That means that I can be out-talked with words rather than hard science facts, because that is what political science is about.

Now get out of political science and religion, and get into real science. Prove or disprove the existence of God, or start a religious topic, since all you seem to want to do is talk religion.

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December 23, 2017, 03:48:55 PM
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Why should there be such doubt, such confusion, about the existence of God? For thousands of years, people have debated whether God exists. Most conclude that it cannot be proven one way or the other. It is surmised that the correct answer lies in the area of abstract philosophy and the metaphysical. And guess what? Huh Nothing will change, because we can't prove anything. So just stop thinking about it, and live a good life.

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December 23, 2017, 04:00:52 PM
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Why should there be such doubt, such confusion, about the existence of God? For thousands of years, people have debated whether God exists. Most conclude that it cannot be proven one way or the other. It is surmised that the correct answer lies in the area of abstract philosophy and the metaphysical. And guess what? Huh Nothing will change, because we can't prove anything. So just stop thinking about it, and live a good life.


While some of what you said is clear, the combination of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity, show that the universe can't exist without some Great Power that fits the definition of "God." This is not to say that God is the God of the Bible or the Koran or any other religion. While science might be able to determine which if any of the religious books talks about the real God, the thing that this topic is looking for is the scientific (not religious) proof for the existence of God.

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December 23, 2017, 04:41:20 PM
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if scientifically God is not visible ,,, the wind we can not see ,, but I believe that God exists
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December 23, 2017, 05:02:53 PM
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Name one of the few ones that actually say it.

You forgot about Newton already? He says nothing else in his 3rd law.

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From the first 3 google searches:

''Formally stated, Newton's third law is:

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.''

''Newton's third law: If an object A exerts a force on object B, then object B must exert a force of equal magnitude and opposite direction back on object A.''

''According to Newton's third law...
For every action there is an equal and opposite re-action.''

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/Lesson-4/Newton-s-Third-Law
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/forces-newtons-laws/newtons-laws-of-motion/a/what-is-newtons-third-law
http://teachertech.rice.edu/Participants/louviere/Newton/law3.html

Perhaps I'm blind but where does it say that everything has a cause?



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December 23, 2017, 05:06:50 PM
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In other words, Jesus is God. Jesus died to uphold God's Name and God's purity in the eyes of men and angels. God let the Jews think they were killing Jesus for the sake of money. But that wasn't the real reason God allowed and even promoted it. It was for the honor of His Own Name that He did it.


God promoted and allowed the death of his only son for the honor of his own name?

You worship a sick god my man, a sick disgusting god.

Even if science was a religion (which let me clearly say it's not, its pretty much the opposite of it lol which is why all religions have feared it forever!) at least my science doesn't worship and egotistical sky fairy that promotes the death of their only child.

Face it bud Astargath destroyed every argument you made.

Even theologians don't make the claims you are.  Probably because they don't want to sound too silly.
Even your fellow religious brethren in this here thread tell you god requires belief and faith.
Even your circular logic proves any and every god or anything else you want to make up.

You are literally the only person saying this absolute non sense, at least notbatman had a couple buddies and some other morons with his movement.

Face it man you sound silly, lost the argument hundreds of pages ago.  Frankly at this point you come across as a raving lunatic.

Well done Astargath for putting up with this sillyness for so long and doing such a good job.  +million bud!

You forget the part that God upholding His honor and His Name is the thing that keeps mankind in existence. This is the reason why your "sick" really is health for us.

Science of itself is not a religion. But when people believe that science theory is fact, they have turned science into a religion for themselves. Why? Because all science theory can have opposing science theory if only some scientist would make the opposing theory. This is especially true now that we have Quantum Mechanics (which is also a theory). This makes science theory to be in the unknown classification regarding whether it is fact or not. Anybody who believes an unknown to be fact, essentially has a religion going for himself.

Have you looked at what the religious brethren say, and those to whom they say it? Mostly they talk to average people with the idea of salvation. But when you look at what the scientists who investigate the Bible say, they have all kinds of understandings that are far beyond the science of this world, and often very different than what the people teachers say.

You are just another religions science person, turning science into a religion for yourself, because you don't want to look at reality.

Any argument that I have lost is in the political science realms, where I don't really like going. That means that I can be out-talked with words rather than hard science facts, because that is what political science is about.

Now get out of political science and religion, and get into real science. Prove or disprove the existence of God, or start a religious topic, since all you seem to want to do is talk religion.

Cool

Nothing can be 100% factual so saying that a scientific theory is not 100% factual is like saying nothing, it's not an argument. A scientific theory is the closest we can get to the facts, it is the best science can do for certain things so your argument is just retarded.



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Nothing can be 100% factual so saying that a scientific theory is not 100% factual is like saying nothing, it's not an argument. A scientific theory is the closest we can get to the facts, it is the best science can do for certain things so your argument is just retarded.

LOL! Even you know that science law is way more factual than science theory.

The tiny bit that science law might fall into the realm of science theory is so small that scientists consider it non-existent.

I mean. Perhaps we don't exist, and all this posting that we do doesn't exist, either. And maybe we aren't even strong enough to be a figment of our own imaginations to say nothing about existing. I mean, there is probability that suggests silly things like that. But science dismisses it as impossible.

Why do you keep on heading for the impossible in your talk. You are making a universe the size of our universe out of something that isn't as big as a muon. If you believe what you are saying, you are talking religion. Believe it or not, you are talking political science.

When are you going to get back on topic?

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Nothing can be 100% factual so saying that a scientific theory is not 100% factual is like saying nothing, it's not an argument. A scientific theory is the closest we can get to the facts, it is the best science can do for certain things so your argument is just retarded.

LOL! Even you know that science law is way more factual than science theory.

The tiny bit that science law might fall into the realm of science theory is so small that scientists consider it non-existent.

I mean. Perhaps we don't exist, and all this posting that we do doesn't exist, either. And maybe we aren't even strong enough to be a figment of our own imaginations to say nothing about existing. I mean, there is probability that suggests silly things like that. But science dismisses it as impossible.

Why do you keep on heading for the impossible in your talk. You are making a universe the size of our universe out of something that isn't as big as a muon. If you believe what you are saying, you are talking religion. Believe it or not, you are talking political science.

When are you going to get back on topic?

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Something cannot be more factual than something else, it's either factual or it's not.

Science uses specialized terms that have different meanings than everyday usage. These definitions correspond to the way scientists typically use these terms in the context of their work. Note, especially, that the meaning of “theory” in science is different than the meaning of “theory” in everyday conversation.

Fact: In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.” Truth in science, however, is never final and what is accepted as a fact today may be modified or even discarded tomorrow.
Hypothesis: A tentative statement about the natural world leading to deductions that can be tested. If the deductions are verified, the hypothesis is provisionally corroborated. If the deductions are incorrect, the original hypothesis is proved false and must be abandoned or modified. Hypotheses can be used to build more complex inferences and explanations.
Law: A descriptive generalization about how some aspect of the natural world behaves under stated circumstances.
Theory: In science, a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.

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December 23, 2017, 05:24:16 PM
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Name one of the few ones that actually say it.

You forgot about Newton already? He says nothing else in his 3rd law.

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From the first 3 google searches:

''Formally stated, Newton's third law is:

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.''

''Newton's third law: If an object A exerts a force on object B, then object B must exert a force of equal magnitude and opposite direction back on object A.''

''According to Newton's third law...
For every action there is an equal and opposite re-action.''

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/Lesson-4/Newton-s-Third-Law
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/forces-newtons-laws/newtons-laws-of-motion/a/what-is-newtons-third-law
http://teachertech.rice.edu/Participants/louviere/Newton/law3.html

Perhaps I'm blind but where does it say that everything has a cause?

How dense are you? You don't seem to understand that an action that gets a reaction is a cause that has an effect. If I had a nickle for every bit of science 101 I had to remind you of, I'd be very wealthy.

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December 23, 2017, 05:31:49 PM
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Nothing can be 100% factual so saying that a scientific theory is not 100% factual is like saying nothing, it's not an argument. A scientific theory is the closest we can get to the facts, it is the best science can do for certain things so your argument is just retarded.

LOL! Even you know that science law is way more factual than science theory.

The tiny bit that science law might fall into the realm of science theory is so small that scientists consider it non-existent.

I mean. Perhaps we don't exist, and all this posting that we do doesn't exist, either. And maybe we aren't even strong enough to be a figment of our own imaginations to say nothing about existing. I mean, there is probability that suggests silly things like that. But science dismisses it as impossible.

Why do you keep on heading for the impossible in your talk. You are making a universe the size of our universe out of something that isn't as big as a muon. If you believe what you are saying, you are talking religion. Believe it or not, you are talking political science.

When are you going to get back on topic?

Cool

Something cannot be more factual than something else, it's either factual or it's not.

Science uses specialized terms that have different meanings than everyday usage. These definitions correspond to the way scientists typically use these terms in the context of their work. Note, especially, that the meaning of “theory” in science is different than the meaning of “theory” in everyday conversation.

Fact: In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.” Truth in science, however, is never final and what is accepted as a fact today may be modified or even discarded tomorrow.
Hypothesis: A tentative statement about the natural world leading to deductions that can be tested. If the deductions are verified, the hypothesis is provisionally corroborated. If the deductions are incorrect, the original hypothesis is proved false and must be abandoned or modified. Hypotheses can be used to build more complex inferences and explanations.
Law: A descriptive generalization about how some aspect of the natural world behaves under stated circumstances.
Theory: In science, a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.

Now you can leave.

You said what I am trying to tell you better than I. The dismissal of non-factual things in science, makes the remaining things factual... in science. And that is what we are talking about here. Science law and science theory. Not absolute fact without the slightest evidence against.

Didn't you read the topic title? "Scientific proof that God exists?" How can you miss the word "science" in the topic? Science dismisses "things" as impossible when there are great enough odds against them. That's when we get science law, which is essentially science fact. When there are insufficient odds against them in the understanding of the science community.

Science theory is not science law because there are great enough odds that an opposing science theory can be made.

Will you ever get out of political science talk?

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December 23, 2017, 05:33:35 PM
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In other words, Jesus is God. Jesus died to uphold God's Name and God's purity in the eyes of men and angels. God let the Jews think they were killing Jesus for the sake of money. But that wasn't the real reason God allowed and even promoted it. It was for the honor of His Own Name that He did it.
I don’t think that GOD requests for anyone to be a martyr.
He never said "I, Jesus, am GOD" and he never cooperated with those who tried to capture him. He never did say "I, Jesus am the redeemer" and in fact the Biblical passages that support your dogma of "salvation by faith in Jesus" have been determined to be inauthentic. I recommend that you wake up to the truth of the Biblical teachings before it is too late.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg26060980#msg26060980
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In other words, Jesus is God. Jesus died to uphold God's Name and God's purity in the eyes of men and angels. God let the Jews think they were killing Jesus for the sake of money. But that wasn't the real reason God allowed and even promoted it. It was for the honor of His Own Name that He did it.
I don’t think that GOD requests for anyone to be a martyr.
He never said "I, Jesus, am GOD" and he never cooperated with those who tried to capture him. He never did say "I, Jesus am the redeemer" and in fact the Biblical passages that support your dogma of "salvation by faith in Jesus" have been determined to be inauthentic. I recommend that you wake up to the truth of the Biblical teachings before it is too late.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg26060980#msg26060980

Actually, at His trial, Jesus said, "I am." Jesus answered this when the Jewish leaders asked Him if He was the Son of God. "I am" is the name that God told the Jewish people to call Him by. Jesus repeated it with reference to Himself, right in His trial. Wake up and read the Bible, and think about what you read.

Do you think that maybe you should start a religion topic?

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In other words, Jesus is God. Jesus died to uphold God's Name and God's purity in the eyes of men and angels. God let the Jews think they were killing Jesus for the sake of money. But that wasn't the real reason God allowed and even promoted it. It was for the honor of His Own Name that He did it.
I don’t think that GOD requests for anyone to be a martyr.
He never said "I, Jesus, am GOD" and he never cooperated with those who tried to capture him. He never did say "I, Jesus am the redeemer" and in fact the Biblical passages that support your dogma of "salvation by faith in Jesus" have been determined to be inauthentic. I recommend that you wake up to the truth of the Biblical teachings before it is too late.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg26060980#msg26060980

Actually, at His trial, Jesus said, "I am." Jesus answered this when the Jewish leaders asked Him if He was the Son of God. "I am" is the name that God told the Jewish people to call Him by. Jesus repeated it with reference to Himself, right in His trial. Wake up and read the Bible, and think about what you read.

Do you think that maybe you should start a religion topic?

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That passage Mark 14:62 was judged as inauthentic to Jesus by the Jesus Seminar. Plainly you are promoting your own religion in this thread. Jesus taught universal salvation and salvation by works, take a look at these references first, before you try to argue with them.
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In other words, Jesus is God. Jesus died to uphold God's Name and God's purity in the eyes of men and angels. God let the Jews think they were killing Jesus for the sake of money. But that wasn't the real reason God allowed and even promoted it. It was for the honor of His Own Name that He did it.
I don’t think that GOD requests for anyone to be a martyr.
He never said "I, Jesus, am GOD" and he never cooperated with those who tried to capture him. He never did say "I, Jesus am the redeemer" and in fact the Biblical passages that support your dogma of "salvation by faith in Jesus" have been determined to be inauthentic. I recommend that you wake up to the truth of the Biblical teachings before it is too late.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg26060980#msg26060980

Actually, at His trial, Jesus said, "I am." Jesus answered this when the Jewish leaders asked Him if He was the Son of God. "I am" is the name that God told the Jewish people to call Him by. Jesus repeated it with reference to Himself, right in His trial. Wake up and read the Bible, and think about what you read.

Do you think that maybe you should start a religion topic?

Cool
That passage Mark 14:62 was judged as inauthentic to Jesus by the Jesus Seminar. Plainly you are promoting your own religion in this thread. Jesus taught unjversal salvation and salvation by works, take a look at these references first, before you try to argue with them.

Plainly I was just answering questions by other promoters of religion or politics in this thread. If there is any post herein, where I started a religious talk, it was by accident or mistake. My goal is science oriented for this thread.

Some people judge some things as authentic. Regarding the Bible, the answer to authentication is Holy Spirit. If it was not supposed to be in the Bible, it would have been taken out. The Holy Spirit would have seen to it.

However, if you want it out, who cares? You don't believe the Bible, anyway.

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God exists, there is so much evidence in the world that God exists

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In other words, Jesus is God. Jesus died to uphold God's Name and God's purity in the eyes of men and angels. God let the Jews think they were killing Jesus for the sake of money. But that wasn't the real reason God allowed and even promoted it. It was for the honor of His Own Name that He did it.
I don’t think that GOD requests for anyone to be a martyr.
He never said "I, Jesus, am GOD" and he never cooperated with those who tried to capture him. He never did say "I, Jesus am the redeemer" and in fact the Biblical passages that support your dogma of "salvation by faith in Jesus" have been determined to be inauthentic. I recommend that you wake up to the truth of the Biblical teachings before it is too late.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg26060980#msg26060980

Actually, at His trial, Jesus said, "I am." Jesus answered this when the Jewish leaders asked Him if He was the Son of God. "I am" is the name that God told the Jewish people to call Him by. Jesus repeated it with reference to Himself, right in His trial. Wake up and read the Bible, and think about what you read.

Do you think that maybe you should start a religion topic?

Cool
That passage Mark 14:62 was judged as inauthentic to Jesus by the Jesus Seminar. Plainly you are promoting your own religion in this thread. Jesus taught unjversal salvation and salvation by works, take a look at these references first, before you try to argue with them.

Plainly I was just answering questions by other promoters of religion or politics in this thread. If there is any post herein, where I started a religious talk, it was by accident or mistake. My goal is science oriented for this thread.

Some people judge some things as authentic. Regarding the Bible, the answer to authentication is Holy Spirit. If it was not supposed to be in the Bible, it would have been taken out. The Holy Spirit would have seen to it.

However, if you want it out, who cares? You don't believe the Bible, anyway.

Cool
That is circular reasoning, just one way of saying "the Bible is 100% true because the Bible tells me so". Nothing is authenticated by way of circular reasoning.

What does it mean to "believe in the Bible"? You think that it is inerrant, but I think it has some wisdom; you think that it is Holy, but I think it is full of Holes. The Jesus Seminar is an adequate source for determining what passages in the Bible are authentic to Jesus. Your opinion of the Bible is not made valid by referring to a Holy Spirit, in fact you freely admit that man commits errors, so why is this book an exception? I am not going to believe that it is free from error unless you use reason to refute the deductions of these scholars. I simply do not believe in a dogma without sufficient proof. If you search for truth using reason then you can easily deduce that Jesus did not say all that is attributed to him.
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