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September 24, 2017, 08:22:15 AM
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There can never be any scientific proof any god exists.

A belief because your parents told you is not proof.  But science works "differently" in fairy tale land, I suppose.  :/

By your reckoning, there can never be any proof that outer space exists. After all, we can't see it. We can't analyze it. We can't do chemical analysis of it. It isn't there. Even Einstein said that space is nothing. How do you analyze nothing? Don't you do it through watching how things operate through and in it? Same with God.

We don't have a clue about how things came about. But the "stuff" that exists shows us that it was God. We determine this by analyzing complexity, entropy, and cause and effect.

Am I saying that nothing is God? Absolutely not. We don't see nothing spontaneously making anything. But if it did, then it would be God.

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September 24, 2017, 09:38:35 AM
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There can never be any scientific proof any god exists.

A belief because your parents told you is not proof.  But science works "differently" in fairy tale land, I suppose.  :/

By your reckoning, there can never be any proof that outer space exists. After all, we can't see it. We can't analyze it. We can't do chemical analysis of it. It isn't there. Even Einstein said that space is nothing. How do you analyze nothing? Don't you do it through watching how things operate through and in it? Same with God.

We don't have a clue about how things came about. But the "stuff" that exists shows us that it was God. We determine this by analyzing complexity, entropy, and cause and effect.

Am I saying that nothing is God? Absolutely not. We don't see nothing spontaneously making anything. But if it did, then it would be God.

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You think they do because you are religious and you are trying to find proof for something you think already exists, that's how you guys always go about it, you take something and then you try to find evidence for it.



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September 24, 2017, 10:26:19 AM
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There can never be any scientific proof any god exists.

A belief because your parents told you is not proof.  But science works "differently" in fairy tale land, I suppose.  :/

By your reckoning, there can never be any proof that outer space exists. After all, we can't see it. We can't analyze it. We can't do chemical analysis of it. It isn't there. Even Einstein said that space is nothing. How do you analyze nothing? Don't you do it through watching how things operate through and in it? Same with God.

We don't have a clue about how things came about. But the "stuff" that exists shows us that it was God. We determine this by analyzing complexity, entropy, and cause and effect.

Am I saying that nothing is God? Absolutely not. We don't see nothing spontaneously making anything. But if it did, then it would be God.

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Well, we know actually a lot about outer space and unseeable stuff like air, different types of gas.

Because stuff exists, means god exists? That is not scientific in any way ^^. It is just an assumption. I could also say ... everything exists because of Chuck Norris.

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September 24, 2017, 10:33:31 AM
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What do you think?
Please share your opinion about this article.


101 Proofs For God

A growing list of common sense Proofs for God.

Proof for God, #65 Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam

 Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man. This research was fairly recent, starting about 1978. They, of course, do not believe in the creation story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but their conclusions are getting closer and closer.

In case you have not heard about this, it makes very interesting reading. But I think it raises a number of profound challenges to the Theory of Evolution.

The scientists base the above conclusions on the known facts of human reproduction, specifically on properties of the sperm and egg. .....
Full article read here: http://101proofsforgod.blogspot.com/2014/07/65-mitochondial-eve-and-y-chromosome.html


science and Theology is of different field, so science should never do things such as proving that God exist because it is all about beliefs and faith. even if it seems so hard to understand only those who believe will do.

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September 24, 2017, 10:36:32 AM
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if we can really! proof this one day this will be the last day for all of us Smiley

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September 24, 2017, 11:09:40 AM
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Entropy has destroyed the intelligence of people so that now days there are many folks who ain't even smart enough to understand that God exists.

If you could provide proof your fairy tale exists, scientists and people would be all over that shit.

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When you look up the white papers of the original scientists behind the dating of the earth, and the notes about their white papers, you will find that they state that they set the dates of things arbitrarily, so that there would be order in the scientific investigation. In other words, the scientific dating of the earth and universe is an arbitrary thing. Later scientists simply continued this practice. Standard scientific dating is make-believe.

The Bible is eye witness accounts. There are no talking snakes listed in the Bible. There is only one, who was controlled by the devil, Satan.

People teach chimpanzees to talk. Even dogs can be taught to talk, even though it is difficult to understand what they are saying.

Look at the vast numbers of fossilized life from the past. The fossil record shows that there were 2 or 3 times as many forms of life in the past as there are now. This shows the job that entropy has been doing on the earth.

We don't have a clue about how healthy things where in the Beginning. The point is that they were extremely healthier than they are now. Adam and Eve were almost super-humans compared to people who live now. And snakes were so healthy that they could talk. Entropy has destroyed the intelligence of people so that now days there are many folks who ain't even smart enough to understand that God exists.

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When you look up the white papers of the original scientists behind the dating of the earth, and the notes about their white papers, you will find that they state that they set the dates of things arbitrarily, so that there would be order in the scientific investigation. In other words, the scientific dating of the earth and universe is an arbitrary thing. Later scientists simply continued this practice. Standard scientific dating is make-believe.

The Bible is eye witness accounts. There are no talking snakes listed in the Bible. There is only one, who was controlled by the devil, Satan.

People teach chimpanzees to talk. Even dogs can be taught to talk, even though it is difficult to understand what they are saying.

Look at the vast numbers of fossilized life from the past. The fossil record shows that there were 2 or 3 times as many forms of life in the past as there are now. This shows the job that entropy has been doing on the earth.

We don't have a clue about how healthy things where in the Beginning. The point is that they were extremely healthier than they are now. Adam and Eve were almost super-humans compared to people who live now. And snakes were so healthy that they could talk. Entropy has destroyed the intelligence of people so that now days there are many folks who ain't even smart enough to understand that God exists.

Cool

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''Entropy has destroyed the intelligence of people'' It destroyed so much that we are able to explore the universe, fucking stupid people am I right? We were definitely smarter thousands of years ago.



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September 24, 2017, 05:37:26 PM
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I guess my only question about this is, aren't there huge factions of people who are against the entire idea of genetic evolution? say it's scientifically proven that an Adam and Eve exists ... doesn't that blow a lot of people's arguments out of the water?



This being a science thread, one of the things you would have to show is which Adam and Eve you are talking about. If you are talking about Adam and Eve of the Bible, you would have to scientifically prove the Bible is accurate, and is the Word of God. This can be done. But doing it might take a few pages in the forum. It will also take a lot of scientific knowledge about how the Bible came about, the nation of Israel, the fulfilled prophesies, and many more things, some of which I have touched on in various threads.

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May I remind you the Bible talks about flat Earth, 6000 year old Earth and talking snakes!!!!

When you look up the white papers of the original scientists behind the dating of the earth, and the notes about their white papers, you will find that they state that they set the dates of things arbitrarily, so that there would be order in the scientific investigation. In other words, the scientific dating of the earth and universe is an arbitrary thing. Later scientists simply continued this practice. Standard scientific dating is make-believe.

The Bible is eye witness accounts. There are no talking snakes listed in the Bible. There is only one, who was controlled by the devil, Satan.

People teach chimpanzees to talk. Even dogs can be taught to talk, even though it is difficult to understand what they are saying.

Look at the vast numbers of fossilized life from the past. The fossil record shows that there were 2 or 3 times as many forms of life in the past as there are now. This shows the job that entropy has been doing on the earth.

We don't have a clue about how healthy things where in the Beginning. The point is that they were extremely healthier than they are now. Adam and Eve were almost super-humans compared to people who live now. And snakes were so healthy that they could talk. Entropy has destroyed the intelligence of people so that now days there are many folks who ain't even smart enough to understand that God exists.

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Your delusion goes well beyond the talking snakes....
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I guess my only question about this is, aren't there huge factions of people who are against the entire idea of genetic evolution? say it's scientifically proven that an Adam and Eve exists ... doesn't that blow a lot of people's arguments out of the water?



This being a science thread, one of the things you would have to show is which Adam and Eve you are talking about. If you are talking about Adam and Eve of the Bible, you would have to scientifically prove the Bible is accurate, and is the Word of God. This can be done. But doing it might take a few pages in the forum. It will also take a lot of scientific knowledge about how the Bible came about, the nation of Israel, the fulfilled prophesies, and many more things, some of which I have touched on in various threads.

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May I remind you the Bible talks about flat Earth, 6000 year old Earth and talking snakes!!!!

When you look up the white papers of the original scientists behind the dating of the earth, and the notes about their white papers, you will find that they state that they set the dates of things arbitrarily, so that there would be order in the scientific investigation. In other words, the scientific dating of the earth and universe is an arbitrary thing. Later scientists simply continued this practice. Standard scientific dating is make-believe.

The Bible is eye witness accounts. There are no talking snakes listed in the Bible. There is only one, who was controlled by the devil, Satan.

People teach chimpanzees to talk. Even dogs can be taught to talk, even though it is difficult to understand what they are saying.

Look at the vast numbers of fossilized life from the past. The fossil record shows that there were 2 or 3 times as many forms of life in the past as there are now. This shows the job that entropy has been doing on the earth.

We don't have a clue about how healthy things where in the Beginning. The point is that they were extremely healthier than they are now. Adam and Eve were almost super-humans compared to people who live now. And snakes were so healthy that they could talk. Entropy has destroyed the intelligence of people so that now days there are many folks who ain't even smart enough to understand that God exists.

Cool

Your delusion goes well beyond the talking snakes....

Perhaps. But the scientific proof for the existence of God is not part of my delusion. Rather, that God does not exist is part of your science fiction.

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Perhaps. But the scientific proof for the existence of God is not part of my delusion. Rather, that God does not exist is part of your science fiction.

There is no scientific proof of your fairy tale, or this thread would have been over in one page.  Smiley

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I guess my only question about this is, aren't there huge factions of people who are against the entire idea of genetic evolution? say it's scientifically proven that an Adam and Eve exists ... doesn't that blow a lot of people's arguments out of the water?



This being a science thread, one of the things you would have to show is which Adam and Eve you are talking about. If you are talking about Adam and Eve of the Bible, you would have to scientifically prove the Bible is accurate, and is the Word of God. This can be done. But doing it might take a few pages in the forum. It will also take a lot of scientific knowledge about how the Bible came about, the nation of Israel, the fulfilled prophesies, and many more things, some of which I have touched on in various threads.

Cool

May I remind you the Bible talks about flat Earth, 6000 year old Earth and talking snakes!!!!

When you look up the white papers of the original scientists behind the dating of the earth, and the notes about their white papers, you will find that they state that they set the dates of things arbitrarily, so that there would be order in the scientific investigation. In other words, the scientific dating of the earth and universe is an arbitrary thing. Later scientists simply continued this practice. Standard scientific dating is make-believe.

The Bible is eye witness accounts. There are no talking snakes listed in the Bible. There is only one, who was controlled by the devil, Satan.

People teach chimpanzees to talk. Even dogs can be taught to talk, even though it is difficult to understand what they are saying.

Look at the vast numbers of fossilized life from the past. The fossil record shows that there were 2 or 3 times as many forms of life in the past as there are now. This shows the job that entropy has been doing on the earth.

We don't have a clue about how healthy things where in the Beginning. The point is that they were extremely healthier than they are now. Adam and Eve were almost super-humans compared to people who live now. And snakes were so healthy that they could talk. Entropy has destroyed the intelligence of people so that now days there are many folks who ain't even smart enough to understand that God exists.

Cool

Your delusion goes well beyond the talking snakes....

I wonder if any of the God scoffers have any idea how science is made. There are scientific assumptions. They will not be verified if there will be noone willing to verify them. And most of the time you cannot verify the assumptions because it would destroy a lot of people job carriers.

Many times the assumptions are made on stochastics. That is a very unperfect method based on statistics. So please... first learn how it is done and then say if it is probable or unprobable for science to not be what it is called.

The most visible part of the unperfection of stochastic method is being seen in medical and farmaceutic science. The errors has make a lot of people die. How many have to die for a drug or medical procedure to be abandoned? A lot. Sometimes it is abandoned, but the statistical method stays the same.

Stochastic methods are very very very unreliable and should not be called science at all imho. There should be some division with empirical science, statistical science, matemathical model science etc, purely theoretical "science". Only the empirical science uses the scientific method of inquiry.

Badecker is baseing his statements only on the empiricly proven science that will be true forever. It can not be wrong all of your stochastic and theory based statements is probably dead wrong. Only time and eternity would tell.

Empirical science had said that the world have begining and an end, it proves that it loses complexity. Our science is too stupid to be sure about anything else. Yet. I hope that in the future we could have a bigger picture of things.
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I guess my only question about this is, aren't there huge factions of people who are against the entire idea of genetic evolution? say it's scientifically proven that an Adam and Eve exists ... doesn't that blow a lot of people's arguments out of the water?



This being a science thread, one of the things you would have to show is which Adam and Eve you are talking about. If you are talking about Adam and Eve of the Bible, you would have to scientifically prove the Bible is accurate, and is the Word of God. This can be done. But doing it might take a few pages in the forum. It will also take a lot of scientific knowledge about how the Bible came about, the nation of Israel, the fulfilled prophesies, and many more things, some of which I have touched on in various threads.

Cool

May I remind you the Bible talks about flat Earth, 6000 year old Earth and talking snakes!!!!

When you look up the white papers of the original scientists behind the dating of the earth, and the notes about their white papers, you will find that they state that they set the dates of things arbitrarily, so that there would be order in the scientific investigation. In other words, the scientific dating of the earth and universe is an arbitrary thing. Later scientists simply continued this practice. Standard scientific dating is make-believe.

The Bible is eye witness accounts. There are no talking snakes listed in the Bible. There is only one, who was controlled by the devil, Satan.

People teach chimpanzees to talk. Even dogs can be taught to talk, even though it is difficult to understand what they are saying.

Look at the vast numbers of fossilized life from the past. The fossil record shows that there were 2 or 3 times as many forms of life in the past as there are now. This shows the job that entropy has been doing on the earth.

We don't have a clue about how healthy things where in the Beginning. The point is that they were extremely healthier than they are now. Adam and Eve were almost super-humans compared to people who live now. And snakes were so healthy that they could talk. Entropy has destroyed the intelligence of people so that now days there are many folks who ain't even smart enough to understand that God exists.

Cool

Your delusion goes well beyond the talking snakes....

I wonder if any of the God scoffers have any idea how science is made. There are scientific assumptions. They will not be verified if there will be noone willing to verify them. And most of the time you cannot verify the assumptions because it would destroy a lot of people job carriers.

Many times the assumptions are made on stochastics. That is a very unperfect method based on statistics. So please... first learn how it is done and then say if it is probable or unprobable for science to not be what it is called.

The most visible part of the unperfection of stochastic method is being seen in medical and farmaceutic science. The errors has make a lot of people die. How many have to die for a drug or medical procedure to be abandoned? A lot. Sometimes it is abandoned, but the statistical method stays the same.

Stochastic methods are very very very unreliable and should not be called science at all imho. There should be some division with empirical science, statistical science, matemathical model science etc, purely theoretical "science". Only the empirical science uses the scientific method of inquiry.

Badecker is baseing his statements only on the empiricly proven science that will be true forever. It can not be wrong all of your stochastic and theory based statements is probably dead wrong. Only time and eternity would tell.

Empirical science had said that the world have begining and an end, it proves that it loses complexity. Our science is too stupid to be sure about anything else. Yet. I hope that in the future we could have a bigger picture of things.

You seem to be the one confused, badecker is doing exactly the same, assuming things. It's like saying, because the conservation of energy law and Kepler's Laws work, god exists. That's an assumption that you are making, just because you are stating a few laws doesn't mean your assumption is correct. The law of entropy is true, the law of god does not exist.



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September 25, 2017, 10:21:36 AM
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Yes we make assumptions, but we do not say that God is science do we?

You seem to say that God have to be science for science to point to God. It is just pointing out. But science in the current stage of affairs can only do that - to point out how everything began. And it had a begining. Most thing sugest it was a very rapid and quick.  

There are some stochastic theories that suggest it was not quick. Well.... Stochastics will not be empiricism. Show me empirical evidences or thing is not on the shelf for me.

If you want to believe those theories are true. It is your free will. I have nothing to it. I believe those are not true. And I guess we will not be convinced by the either side - so why waste time?
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Basically, any website named 10 Proofs For God is well known to anyone with an iq bigger than his show size that it has bullshit written all over it. Information taken completely out of context to present a lie as truth. You have to learn how Family trees expansions work and how you and I are certain to have one common ancestor. That doesnt mean thought that that one common ancestor was the only one alive at the time.


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When you look up the white papers of the original scientists behind the dating of the earth, and the notes about their white papers, you will find that they state that they set the dates of things arbitrarily, so that there would be order in the scientific investigation. In other words, the scientific dating of the earth and universe is an arbitrary thing. Later scientists simply continued this practice. Standard scientific dating is make-believe.

The Bible is eye witness accounts. There are no talking snakes listed in the Bible. There is only one, who was controlled by the devil, Satan.

People teach chimpanzees to talk. Even dogs can be taught to talk, even though it is difficult to understand what they are saying.

Look at the vast numbers of fossilized life from the past. The fossil record shows that there were 2 or 3 times as many forms of life in the past as there are now. This shows the job that entropy has been doing on the earth.

We don't have a clue about how healthy things where in the Beginning. The point is that they were extremely healthier than they are now. Adam and Eve were almost super-humans compared to people who live now. And snakes were so healthy that they could talk. Entropy has destroyed the intelligence of people so that now days there are many folks who ain't even smart enough to understand that God exists.

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September 25, 2017, 10:40:21 AM
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Basically, any website named 10 Proofs For God is well known to anyone with an iq bigger than his show size that it has bullshit written all over it. Information taken completely out of context to present a lie as truth. You have to learn how Family trees expansions work and how you and I are certain to have one common ancestor. That doesnt mean thought that that one common ancestor was the only one alive at the time.

Your point being? That we need to know how evolution works? Some of us know it a lot better than the believers in it.
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phreeksta showed us at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg22166759#msg22166759 that outer space exists. What wasn't shown was what outer space is. What is outer space?

Outer space is nothingness. It is emptiness. It is nothing.

Inside of nothing exists a whole bunch of materials and energies. We analyze these materials and energies, and how they react with each other. But we haven't found a way to analyze the "substance" that is nothing.

The only real thing we know about nothing is that it exists. Again, how do we know this? Because we can analyze the various materials and energies within nothing.

Same thing with God. We can analyze the fundamental science laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.

We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic, fundamental, scientific laws. The word "God" fits the Great, Intelligent, Power that cause the universe to exist.

We can't see God, just like we can't see emptiness/nothing. But we understand that God exists in ways similar to understanding that nothing exists.

So you see, outer space - which is emptiness/nothing/lack of every "thing" - is the non-thing that helps to confirm that God exists.

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phreeksta showed us at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg22166759#msg22166759 that outer space exists. What wasn't shown was what outer space is. What is outer space?

Outer space is nothingness. It is emptiness. It is nothing.

Inside of nothing exists a whole bunch of materials and energies. We analyze these materials and energies, and how they react with each other. But we haven't found a way to analyze the "substance" that is nothing.

The only real thing we know about nothing is that it exists. Again, how do we know this? Because we can analyze the various materials and energies within nothing.

Same thing with God. We can analyze the fundamental science laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.

We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic, fundamental, scientific laws. The word "God" fits the Great, Intelligent, Power that cause the universe to exist.

We can't see God, just like we can't see emptiness/nothing. But we understand that God exists in ways similar to understanding that nothing exists.

So you see, outer space - which is emptiness/nothing/lack of every "thing" - is the non-thing that helps to confirm that God exists.

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I don't think you understand what nothing is. Empty space is not nothing, it's empty space. Space is something. If you have a box and you throw out everything inside of it, even air and particles and atoms, there is still something inside the box, space.

''The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.'' How do you know the only way for those things to exist is that a great intelligent power caused them to exist? ''We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic'' You have no explanation either, you are just saying it's god



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September 25, 2017, 02:43:16 PM
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phreeksta showed us at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg22166759#msg22166759 that outer space exists. What wasn't shown was what outer space is. What is outer space?

Outer space is nothingness. It is emptiness. It is nothing.

Inside of nothing exists a whole bunch of materials and energies. We analyze these materials and energies, and how they react with each other. But we haven't found a way to analyze the "substance" that is nothing.

The only real thing we know about nothing is that it exists. Again, how do we know this? Because we can analyze the various materials and energies within nothing.

Same thing with God. We can analyze the fundamental science laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.

We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic, fundamental, scientific laws. The word "God" fits the Great, Intelligent, Power that cause the universe to exist.

We can't see God, just like we can't see emptiness/nothing. But we understand that God exists in ways similar to understanding that nothing exists.

So you see, outer space - which is emptiness/nothing/lack of every "thing" - is the non-thing that helps to confirm that God exists.

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I don't think you understand what nothing is. Empty space is not nothing, it's empty space. Space is something. If you have a box and you throw out everything inside of it, even air and particles and atoms, there is still something inside the box, space.

''The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.'' How do you know the only way for those things to exist is that a great intelligent power caused them to exist? ''We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic'' You have no explanation either, you are just saying it's god


Dig around in your evacuated box, and what do you find? Nothing? No, you find your digger. Remove your digger, and there is nothing in the box. It's empty space.

We have intelligence. Entropy shows that there was greater intelligence in the past. Cause and effect show that the intelligence was great enough to be way beyond the understanding of man's intelligence. How much closer do you want to go to demonstrate God?

Do you need to look at the fantastic machines of nature that we are only beginning to duplicate, and imperfectly I might add? How about looking at the language of mathematics that man develops to imperfectly explain the complexity of the universe to himself?

Find a place where this all comes from randomness. We haven't found pure random. It doesn't exist, except, perhaps, in God.

"God" is a word. But the identity of the Being behind the word is way beyond the word "God." So, yes, I am just saying it is God, because there is no way to explain how intelligent and powerful He is. He is beyond understanding, and the word "God" is simply man's imperfect word to describe Him a little.

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