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September 11, 2017, 04:55:32 AM
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Bacon is better than any god.

Bacon actually died for you.

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I'm into creating universes, smiting people, writing holy books and listening to Prayer Messages (PMs).
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September 11, 2017, 07:53:23 AM
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You have proven you can not follow the rational follow up of arguments. I do not escape from you. You escape from me all the time. You do not argue with my arguments, but your silly pseudo-philosophical and pseudo-theological and pseudo-scientifical gibberish notions. When you are backed to the wall to explain yourself you just change the subject. It is not me who is defending the God. I am just showing you that you have NO ARGUMENTS what so ever. If you are losing you just escape to your positions of ignorance. So be it. Be ignorant. I really could not care less.

I love the irony when brainwashed people call other people ignorant.   Grin

It is not my fault that people that are calling something not perfect, could not even define perfection. Perfection is without a flaw. I have proven, that what he see as flaws are features. If something is a flaw - fix it. And if there is another feuture of aging->bone problems, that is a feuture of dying that was implemented as well (probably caused by Eve as they say). That is not a flaw. And for what human does human is fit to do. That is a definition of perfection. It is not my fault someone fit the definition of someone that can not agree that he was wrong.

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Bacon actually died for you.

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You prove again you have problems with words. Do not worry you are not much worse than any modern guy. Pig have been slaughtered not self-sacrificed. Buy yourself a good dictionary and test it on some book. Literacy will not hurt you. Literacy could hurt your deviancy, but your intelect would improve. You should try from time to time.
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September 11, 2017, 10:01:07 AM
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How can a perfect god create an imperfect universe?

This universe is perfect! It is humanity's definition of perfection that falls short. It is based upon the flawed vision of human ego.

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September 11, 2017, 10:32:34 AM
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How can a perfect god create an imperfect universe?

This universe is perfect! It is humanity's definition of perfection that falls short. It is based upon the flawed vision of human ego.


Yeah... No. It really isn't. Earth is not perfect, humans are not perfect, animals are not perfect.



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September 11, 2017, 11:17:40 AM
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How can a perfect god create an imperfect universe?

This universe is perfect! It is humanity's definition of perfection that falls short. It is based upon the flawed vision of human ego.


Yeah... No. It really isn't. Earth is not perfect, humans are not perfect, animals are not perfect.

Name flaws and how to fix them. God have said that he will fix mortality. But I want to hear how you are going to fix anything...
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September 11, 2017, 11:46:05 AM
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How can a perfect god create an imperfect universe?

This universe is perfect! It is humanity's definition of perfection that falls short. It is based upon the flawed vision of human ego.


Yeah... No. It really isn't. Earth is not perfect, humans are not perfect, animals are not perfect.

Sure if you look at the small scale of a human lifetime or even a human sized object you could find faults and say things are less than perfect. However when you look at the universe as a whole and the beauty of how it works it is simply amazing! You can't say the Universe is imperfect in any meaningful sense.
Scientists have nailed down certain forces and balances that had they been even a tiny, tiny bit different we might have just had loose particles of matter and no stars or just a giant clump with no empty space. We got just the right Universe to support life on our world and maybe others too. There are so many ways that might not have happened if our Universe had not been exactly as it is. Yes our Universe is quite perfect at being a Universe that we can exist in. It is exactly what it needs to be and that is all we can ask for.
If someone knows of a more perfect Universe out there for comparison than I would love to know.

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September 11, 2017, 12:56:44 PM
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How can a perfect god create an imperfect universe?

This universe is perfect! It is humanity's definition of perfection that falls short. It is based upon the flawed vision of human ego.


Yeah... No. It really isn't. Earth is not perfect, humans are not perfect, animals are not perfect.

Sure if you look at the small scale of a human lifetime or even a human sized object you could find faults and say things are less than perfect. However when you look at the universe as a whole and the beauty of how it works it is simply amazing! You can't say the Universe is imperfect in any meaningful sense.
Scientists have nailed down certain forces and balances that had they been even a tiny, tiny bit different we might have just had loose particles of matter and no stars or just a giant clump with no empty space. We got just the right Universe to support life on our world and maybe others too. There are so many ways that might not have happened if our Universe had not been exactly as it is. Yes our Universe is quite perfect at being a Universe that we can exist in. It is exactly what it needs to be and that is all we can ask for.
If someone knows of a more perfect Universe out there for comparison than I would love to know.


Let's assume, for the moment, that the Universe really is perfectly set up for life, and human life at that.

Does that imply the Universe was created that way on purpose?

No. It absolutely does not.

Here's an analogy. I just rolled a die 10 times and got the sequence 3241154645. The odds against that particular sequence coming up are astronomical. Over 60 million to one.

Does that mean that this sequence was designed to come up?

Or think of it this way. The odds against me, personally being born? They're beyond astronomical. The chances that, of my mom's hundreds of eggs and my dad's hundreds of millions of sperm, this particular sperm and egg happened to combine to make me? Ridiculously unlikely. Especially when you factor in the odds against my parents being born...and against their parents being born...and their parents, and theirs, and so on and so on and so on. The chances against me, personally, having been born are so vast, it's almost unimaginable.

But does that mean I was destined to be born?

Does that mean we need to concoct an entire philosophy and theology to explain The Improbability of Greta-ness?

Or does it simply mean that I won the cosmic lottery? Does it simply mean that my existence is one of many wildly improbable outcomes of the universe... and if it hadn't happened, something else would have? Does it simply mean that some other kid would have been born to my parents instead... a kid whose existence would have been every bit as unlikely as mine?

Yes, life on Earth is wildly improbable. And if it hadn't happened, some other weird chemical stew would have arisen on Earth, one that didn't turn into life. Or life would have developed, but it would have evolved into some form other than humanity. Or the Earth would never have formed around the Sun, but some other unlikely planet would have formed around some other star. If life on Earth hadn't happened, something else equally improbable would have happened instead. We just wouldn't be here to wonder about it.

And that doesn't even take into account the mind-boggling vastness of space -- the mind-boggling majority of which is not hospitable to life in the slightest. The overwhelming majority of the universe consists of unimaginably huge vastness of impossibly cold empty space...punctuated at rare intervals by comets, asteroids, meteors (some of which might hit us, by the way, also negating the "perfectly designed for human life" concept), cold rocks, blazing hot furnaces of incandescent gas, the occasional black hole, and what have you. The overwhelming majority of the universe is, to put it mildly, not fine-tuned for life.

 Why was the 93- billion-light-years-across universe created 13.73 billion years ago...just so the fragile process of human life in one tiny solar system could blink into existence for a few hundred thousand years, a billion years at the absolute most, and then blink out again? Why could an asteroid or a solar flare or any number of other astronomical incidents wipe out that life at any time?

If the universe was "fine-tuned" for life to come into being, why is the ridiculously overwhelming majority of it created to be so inhospitable to life? (Even if there's life on other planets, which is hypothetically possible, the point still remains: Why is the portion of the Universe that's hospitable to life so absurdly minuscule?)





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How many copies of Phoenix Journals? Copy and paste all day makes many copies.

No printing press. No computers. One copy Phoenix Journals.

25,000 ancient hand-written copies of Old Testament. 5,000 plus of New Testament.

Strength in Bible. No strength in Phoenix Journals.

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PJs are written in English with clarity and known authorship. The Bible has been adulterated, even Przemax agreed to that. There is an advantage to reading both.
That is not strength, it is mere popularity. The Bible is not strong enough to teach the masses because the world is still in chaos. Stop accepting lies just because they are popular!
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How can a perfect god create an imperfect universe?

This universe is perfect! It is humanity's definition of perfection that falls short. It is based upon the flawed vision of human ego.


Yeah... No. It really isn't. Earth is not perfect, humans are not perfect, animals are not perfect.

Sure if you look at the small scale of a human lifetime or even a human sized object you could find faults and say things are less than perfect. However when you look at the universe as a whole and the beauty of how it works it is simply amazing! You can't say the Universe is imperfect in any meaningful sense.
Scientists have nailed down certain forces and balances that had they been even a tiny, tiny bit different we might have just had loose particles of matter and no stars or just a giant clump with no empty space. We got just the right Universe to support life on our world and maybe others too. There are so many ways that might not have happened if our Universe had not been exactly as it is. Yes our Universe is quite perfect at being a Universe that we can exist in. It is exactly what it needs to be and that is all we can ask for.
If someone knows of a more perfect Universe out there for comparison than I would love to know.


Let's assume, for the moment, that the Universe really is perfectly set up for life, and human life at that.

Does that imply the Universe was created that way on purpose?

No. It absolutely does not.

Here's an analogy. I just rolled a die 10 times and got the sequence 3241154645. The odds against that particular sequence coming up are astronomical. Over 60 million to one.

Does that mean that this sequence was designed to come up?

Or think of it this way. The odds against me, personally being born? They're beyond astronomical. The chances that, of my mom's hundreds of eggs and my dad's hundreds of millions of sperm, this particular sperm and egg happened to combine to make me? Ridiculously unlikely. Especially when you factor in the odds against my parents being born...and against their parents being born...and their parents, and theirs, and so on and so on and so on. The chances against me, personally, having been born are so vast, it's almost unimaginable.

But does that mean I was destined to be born?

Does that mean we need to concoct an entire philosophy and theology to explain The Improbability of Greta-ness?

Or does it simply mean that I won the cosmic lottery? Does it simply mean that my existence is one of many wildly improbable outcomes of the universe... and if it hadn't happened, something else would have? Does it simply mean that some other kid would have been born to my parents instead... a kid whose existence would have been every bit as unlikely as mine?

Yes, life on Earth is wildly improbable. And if it hadn't happened, some other weird chemical stew would have arisen on Earth, one that didn't turn into life. Or life would have developed, but it would have evolved into some form other than humanity. Or the Earth would never have formed around the Sun, but some other unlikely planet would have formed around some other star. If life on Earth hadn't happened, something else equally improbable would have happened instead. We just wouldn't be here to wonder about it.

And that doesn't even take into account the mind-boggling vastness of space -- the mind-boggling majority of which is not hospitable to life in the slightest. The overwhelming majority of the universe consists of unimaginably huge vastness of impossibly cold empty space...punctuated at rare intervals by comets, asteroids, meteors (some of which might hit us, by the way, also negating the "perfectly designed for human life" concept), cold rocks, blazing hot furnaces of incandescent gas, the occasional black hole, and what have you. The overwhelming majority of the universe is, to put it mildly, not fine-tuned for life.

 Why was the 93- billion-light-years-across universe created 13.73 billion years ago...just so the fragile process of human life in one tiny solar system could blink into existence for a few hundred thousand years, a billion years at the absolute most, and then blink out again? Why could an asteroid or a solar flare or any number of other astronomical incidents wipe out that life at any time?

If the universe was "fine-tuned" for life to come into being, why is the ridiculously overwhelming majority of it created to be so inhospitable to life? (Even if there's life on other planets, which is hypothetically possible, the point still remains: Why is the portion of the Universe that's hospitable to life so absurdly minuscule?)


Except that the odds against what you are saying, are so astronomically great, that not only can they not be comprehended, but they probably won't be able to be comprehended by full-blown a quantum computer.

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Except that the odds against what you are saying, are so astronomically great, that not only can they not be comprehended, but they probably won't be able to be comprehended by full-blown a quantum computer.

Actually, that defines your fairy tale, brainwashed buddy.  Cool


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Except that the odds against what you are saying, are so astronomically great, that not only can they not be comprehended, but they probably won't be able to be comprehended by full-blown a quantum computer.

Actually, that defines your fairy tale, brainwashed buddy.  Cool



All you are saying is that you don't have a clue how things came into existence.

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Except that the odds against what you are saying, are so astronomically great, that not only can they not be comprehended, but they probably won't be able to be comprehended by full-blown a quantum computer.

Actually, that defines your fairy tale, brainwashed buddy.  Cool



All you are saying is that you don't have a clue how things came into existence.

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Actually, that is what you are saying, brainwashed buddy.  Cool

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just becuase I AM, does not mean you are NOT.
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A look into the karmic perspective on existence would be enlightening, guys Smiley It does not operates with concepts like "good" and "bad", rather with "necessary" and "unnecessary". And, by the way, doesn't have the idea of "God".

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How many copies of Phoenix Journals? Copy and paste all day makes many copies.

No printing press. No computers. One copy Phoenix Journals.

25,000 ancient hand-written copies of Old Testament. 5,000 plus of New Testament.

Strength in Bible. No strength in Phoenix Journals.

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PJs are written in English with clarity and known authorship. The Bible has been adulterated, even Przemax agreed to that. There is an advantage to reading both.
That is not strength, it is mere popularity. The Bible is not strong enough to teach the masses because the world is still in chaos. Stop accepting lies just because they are popular!

I have just agreed that translation is not 100% correct. There are cultural context. So the ideal sittuation would be to learn the ancient greek and Hebrew, to know its culture, its context, surrounding history, comperative example etc etc etc. It is mathematicly possible to toss some words in the Bible. One would need to be stubborn to do that year by year by year. It is in my opinion impossible to forge whole stories of the Bible without first destroying it. It was not destroyed although the holy scriptures were burned like no tomorrow along with their owners like there was no tomorrow.

It is mathematicly completly improbable to not achieve a destruction of text by the Vatican and the enemies of Israel, and to achieve its forgery of the living, remembered and worpshipped texts.

What is easier and what was the case was to invent new books to cover the old ones. For example Talmud to hide Torah and Catholic catehism to hide the gospels and the book of prophets. Modern example of such a behaviour is Pheonix Journal. It was not the first and not the last attempt of such sort.

You make a reality a miracle just like astargath is.

It is you guys who are against the odds. You would need a miracle to explain yourselves.

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P.S I tried to read 2nd one, that was devoted to explain the Messiah. Sorry it makes no sense to me. You really need to try harder to explain why do you think God is not omnipotent and such. It is deeply disturbing. What else is disturbing is that you say that Bible is bad and you like make your all statements based on the Bible and you do not explain why do think otherwise. That is like...... worse than Catechism. I could understand that people followed catechism, they were illiterate bafoons. You seem to not be illiterate bafoon. I could understand the ones that believed in Talmud. There are so many of those Talmud books, that you would need a lifetime to read them all, and only then you could claim what you found or not, because there was some premise it might be in another book. Pheonix Journal is not a lifetime journey. So why believe such a things?
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How can a perfect god create an imperfect universe?

This universe is perfect! It is humanity's definition of perfection that falls short. It is based upon the flawed vision of human ego.


Yeah... No. It really isn't. Earth is not perfect, humans are not perfect, animals are not perfect.

Sure if you look at the small scale of a human lifetime or even a human sized object you could find faults and say things are less than perfect. However when you look at the universe as a whole and the beauty of how it works it is simply amazing! You can't say the Universe is imperfect in any meaningful sense.
Scientists have nailed down certain forces and balances that had they been even a tiny, tiny bit different we might have just had loose particles of matter and no stars or just a giant clump with no empty space. We got just the right Universe to support life on our world and maybe others too. There are so many ways that might not have happened if our Universe had not been exactly as it is. Yes our Universe is quite perfect at being a Universe that we can exist in. It is exactly what it needs to be and that is all we can ask for.
If someone knows of a more perfect Universe out there for comparison than I would love to know.


Let's assume, for the moment, that the Universe really is perfectly set up for life, and human life at that.

Does that imply the Universe was created that way on purpose?

No. It absolutely does not.

Here's an analogy. I just rolled a die 10 times and got the sequence 3241154645. The odds against that particular sequence coming up are astronomical. Over 60 million to one.

Does that mean that this sequence was designed to come up?

Or think of it this way. The odds against me, personally being born? They're beyond astronomical. The chances that, of my mom's hundreds of eggs and my dad's hundreds of millions of sperm, this particular sperm and egg happened to combine to make me? Ridiculously unlikely. Especially when you factor in the odds against my parents being born...and against their parents being born...and their parents, and theirs, and so on and so on and so on. The chances against me, personally, having been born are so vast, it's almost unimaginable.

But does that mean I was destined to be born?

Does that mean we need to concoct an entire philosophy and theology to explain The Improbability of Greta-ness?

Or does it simply mean that I won the cosmic lottery? Does it simply mean that my existence is one of many wildly improbable outcomes of the universe... and if it hadn't happened, something else would have? Does it simply mean that some other kid would have been born to my parents instead... a kid whose existence would have been every bit as unlikely as mine?

Yes, life on Earth is wildly improbable. And if it hadn't happened, some other weird chemical stew would have arisen on Earth, one that didn't turn into life. Or life would have developed, but it would have evolved into some form other than humanity. Or the Earth would never have formed around the Sun, but some other unlikely planet would have formed around some other star. If life on Earth hadn't happened, something else equally improbable would have happened instead. We just wouldn't be here to wonder about it.

And that doesn't even take into account the mind-boggling vastness of space -- the mind-boggling majority of which is not hospitable to life in the slightest. The overwhelming majority of the universe consists of unimaginably huge vastness of impossibly cold empty space...punctuated at rare intervals by comets, asteroids, meteors (some of which might hit us, by the way, also negating the "perfectly designed for human life" concept), cold rocks, blazing hot furnaces of incandescent gas, the occasional black hole, and what have you. The overwhelming majority of the universe is, to put it mildly, not fine-tuned for life.

 Why was the 93- billion-light-years-across universe created 13.73 billion years ago...just so the fragile process of human life in one tiny solar system could blink into existence for a few hundred thousand years, a billion years at the absolute most, and then blink out again? Why could an asteroid or a solar flare or any number of other astronomical incidents wipe out that life at any time?

If the universe was "fine-tuned" for life to come into being, why is the ridiculously overwhelming majority of it created to be so inhospitable to life? (Even if there's life on other planets, which is hypothetically possible, the point still remains: Why is the portion of the Universe that's hospitable to life so absurdly minuscule?)


Except that the odds against what you are saying, are so astronomically great, that not only can they not be comprehended, but they probably won't be able to be comprehended by full-blown a quantum computer.

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Did you understand anything of what I said? Any possibility would be equally unlikely as life existing.



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there is no scientific proof. There were no camera/recorders back then so nothing can be captured. Everything was written down and the remains of the body of Jesus have never been found, cause they have been moved by his apostles to an unknown location

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God wrote the universe in the language of mathematics
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How can a perfect god create an imperfect universe?

This universe is perfect! It is humanity's definition of perfection that falls short. It is based upon the flawed vision of human ego.


Yeah... No. It really isn't. Earth is not perfect, humans are not perfect, animals are not perfect.

Sure if you look at the small scale of a human lifetime or even a human sized object you could find faults and say things are less than perfect. However when you look at the universe as a whole and the beauty of how it works it is simply amazing! You can't say the Universe is imperfect in any meaningful sense.
Scientists have nailed down certain forces and balances that had they been even a tiny, tiny bit different we might have just had loose particles of matter and no stars or just a giant clump with no empty space. We got just the right Universe to support life on our world and maybe others too. There are so many ways that might not have happened if our Universe had not been exactly as it is. Yes our Universe is quite perfect at being a Universe that we can exist in. It is exactly what it needs to be and that is all we can ask for.
If someone knows of a more perfect Universe out there for comparison than I would love to know.


Let's assume, for the moment, that the Universe really is perfectly set up for life, and human life at that.

Does that imply the Universe was created that way on purpose?

No. It absolutely does not.

Here's an analogy. I just rolled a die 10 times and got the sequence 3241154645. The odds against that particular sequence coming up are astronomical. Over 60 million to one.

Does that mean that this sequence was designed to come up?

Or think of it this way. The odds against me, personally being born? They're beyond astronomical. The chances that, of my mom's hundreds of eggs and my dad's hundreds of millions of sperm, this particular sperm and egg happened to combine to make me? Ridiculously unlikely. Especially when you factor in the odds against my parents being born...and against their parents being born...and their parents, and theirs, and so on and so on and so on. The chances against me, personally, having been born are so vast, it's almost unimaginable.

But does that mean I was destined to be born?

Does that mean we need to concoct an entire philosophy and theology to explain The Improbability of Greta-ness?

Or does it simply mean that I won the cosmic lottery? Does it simply mean that my existence is one of many wildly improbable outcomes of the universe... and if it hadn't happened, something else would have? Does it simply mean that some other kid would have been born to my parents instead... a kid whose existence would have been every bit as unlikely as mine?

Yes, life on Earth is wildly improbable. And if it hadn't happened, some other weird chemical stew would have arisen on Earth, one that didn't turn into life. Or life would have developed, but it would have evolved into some form other than humanity. Or the Earth would never have formed around the Sun, but some other unlikely planet would have formed around some other star. If life on Earth hadn't happened, something else equally improbable would have happened instead. We just wouldn't be here to wonder about it.

And that doesn't even take into account the mind-boggling vastness of space -- the mind-boggling majority of which is not hospitable to life in the slightest. The overwhelming majority of the universe consists of unimaginably huge vastness of impossibly cold empty space...punctuated at rare intervals by comets, asteroids, meteors (some of which might hit us, by the way, also negating the "perfectly designed for human life" concept), cold rocks, blazing hot furnaces of incandescent gas, the occasional black hole, and what have you. The overwhelming majority of the universe is, to put it mildly, not fine-tuned for life.

 Why was the 93- billion-light-years-across universe created 13.73 billion years ago...just so the fragile process of human life in one tiny solar system could blink into existence for a few hundred thousand years, a billion years at the absolute most, and then blink out again? Why could an asteroid or a solar flare or any number of other astronomical incidents wipe out that life at any time?

If the universe was "fine-tuned" for life to come into being, why is the ridiculously overwhelming majority of it created to be so inhospitable to life? (Even if there's life on other planets, which is hypothetically possible, the point still remains: Why is the portion of the Universe that's hospitable to life so absurdly minuscule?)


Except that the odds against what you are saying, are so astronomically great, that not only can they not be comprehended, but they probably won't be able to be comprehended by full-blown a quantum computer.

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Did you understand anything of what I said? Any possibility would be equally unlikely as life existing.

No, no, no... You miss the point.

Notice that you said "possibility." That we have found, there is nothing that is a possibility for life except God. And since God has been scientifically proven to exist, He become not only a possibility, but the great probability.

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God wrote the universe in the language of mathematics

Mathematics is a language of mankind that attempts ot bring the language of God and the universe into mankind understanding... a little bit.

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