Scientific proof that God exists?

[1aguar]

Actually, it will satisfactorily suffice to reject all the claims, because nobody knows where the claims come from. All suggestions of where they come from are hearsay.

That may suffice if it were not possible to replicate these studies (#39, #41, and the AWARE study) but since they are repeatable, they qualify as science.

Actually, it does not suffice to cast doubt upon all of these researchers' methods (by way of attacking their integrity) in an attempt to discredit their observations. That is prejudice.

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[BADecker]

Actually, it will satisfactorily suffice to reject all the claims, because nobody knows where the claims come from. All suggestions of where they come from are hearsay.

That may suffice if it were not possible to replicate these studies (#39, #41, and the AWARE study) but since they are repeatable, they qualify as science.

Actually, it does not suffice to cast doubt upon all of these researchers' methods (by way of attacking their integrity) in an attempt to discredit their observations. That is prejudice.

It isn't the ability of repeating the science that is in question. The source of the info provided is the thing that is questionable hearsay, in every repeat.



EDIT: Imagine that a thousand people each found a bottle floating in from the ocean at the beach yesterday. And inside each bottle there was a message that said something to the effect of, " Help. The Titanic is sinking, and we are all about to be drowned. Please come and rescue us!"

We have the scientific technology to determine how old the paper of the messages is, and how old the glass bottles are. But we don't have the scientific methods to prove anything about whatever it is that proclaims the messages that the mediums get as the messages are proclaimed to the mediums themselves.

[1aguar]

Now that we have proven scientifically that God exists, go the next step and investigate the Bible.

I have seen no proof that shows that any Bible is completely true.

Your ancient book leaves much to be desired, for example it has confused everyone about "I and my father are one" when really there is NO NEED to be confused about this; Christ came to show us the way, he was not the "Son of God" and he could not "save" anyone because each soul must be responsible for saving self (Psalms 1).

Bible has all kinds of hidden messages, and it has been rewritten, and Paul's teachings were added, and you posit a hidden (occult) motive to explain why Jesus said "they say as much" at his trial. Is this really the unadulterated truth that you claim it is? God is open, the truth is laid bare in the Journals, and your only issue with them is that they contradict the doctrine of Paul. Like I said, Christian Gnosticism has an equal claim to authentic faith, having grown up alongside the mainstream, and the first Christians were merely Jews who believed that Emmanuel was the Jewish Messiah, and this is confirmed by modern scholarship on the subject.

Now, if you had said "investigate the teachings of Christ", I would have been able to agree with you, because that man taught goodness in accord with the Law and the golden rule; hard to disagree with that!

The things surrounding the coming into being of the Bible show that it is an impossible-to-exist book. The only way that it could exist as it is and as it has come about, is through the miraculous guidance of an all-powerful God. Same said for the universe and mankind.

And what prevents you from saying this same thing about the Phoenix Journals?

The fact is that this Grandmother managed to write a 200-page book EVERY 3 WEEKS FOR YEARS, hundreds of books in total.  How was this prodigious output, covering such a wide range of topics, possible?  Please do not be too quick to reject the truthful answer, that she scribed DIRECTLY for our Heavenly Father, exactly as stated.  There probably has NEVER been a scribe so well connected — including all of the great ones acknowledged in all of the holy books.

[BADecker]

Now that we have proven scientifically that God exists, go the next step and investigate the Bible.

I have seen no proof that shows that any Bible is completely true.

Your ancient book leaves much to be desired, for example it has confused everyone about "I and my father are one" when really there is NO NEED to be confused about this; Christ came to show us the way, he was not the "Son of God" and he could not "save" anyone because each soul must be responsible for saving self (Psalms 1).

Bible has all kinds of hidden messages, and it has been rewritten, and Paul's teachings were added, and you posit a hidden (occult) motive to explain why Jesus said "they say as much" at his trial. Is this really the unadulterated truth that you claim it is? God is open, the truth is laid bare in the Journals, and your only issue with them is that they contradict the doctrine of Paul. Like I said, Christian Gnosticism has an equal claim to authentic faith, having grown up alongside the mainstream, and the first Christians were merely Jews who believed that Emmanuel was the Jewish Messiah, and this is confirmed by modern scholarship on the subject.

Now, if you had said "investigate the teachings of Christ", I would have been able to agree with you, because that man taught goodness in accord with the Law and the golden rule; hard to disagree with that!

The things surrounding the coming into being of the Bible show that it is an impossible-to-exist book. The only way that it could exist as it is and as it has come about, is through the miraculous guidance of an all-powerful God. Same said for the universe and mankind.

And what prevents you from saying this same thing about the Phoenix Journals?

The fact is that this Grandmother managed to write a 200-page book EVERY 3 WEEKS FOR YEARS, hundreds of books in total.  How was this prodigious output, covering such a wide range of topics, possible?  Please do not be too quick to reject the truthful answer, that she scribed DIRECTLY for our Heavenly Father, exactly as stated.  There probably has NEVER been a scribe so well connected — including all of the great ones acknowledged in all of the holy books.

Look at it this way.  There are very few people in the world who would follow the way of damnation and destruction if they understood that there was a way to peace and joy open to them. People don't believe because they don't want to believe.

The evidence is there. All you need do is Google words to the effect of "why the Bible is the Word of God" or "history of the writing of the Bible" and you will find all kinds of things that show that the Bible couldn't have happened.

[1aguar]

EDIT: Imagine that a thousand people each found a bottle floating in from the ocean at the beach yesterday. And inside each bottle there was a message that said something to the effect of, " Help. The Titanic is sinking, and we are all about to be drowned. Please come and rescue us!"

We have the scientific technology to determine how old the paper of the messages is, and how old the glass bottles are. But we don't have the scientific methods to prove anything about whatever proclaims the messages that the mediums get to the mediums themselves.

This is a problem, it is true; it is called the "Content-Source Problem" and it is why each must discern for self and use all available resources to determine the truth, and then simply make a decision one way or the other. It may not be possible to experiment directly upon something originating from another dimension, but this does not mean that you cannot make conclusions about the likely truth of the message and the likely identity of the source.

An important instance of mental mediumship is the contact between Jane Roberts and an entity known as Seth. Analysis of the Seth Materials to determine the likelihood that Roberts was capable of producing the over 21 years of consistent, sophisticated and metaphysically profound material is discussed in The Content-Source Problem in Modern Mediumship Research. Because of clear differences in style between the abundant work of Jane Roberts, her husband and the presumed Seth, the conclusion of the study was that there is a high probability that a different personality initiated the Seth Material.
The Seth Material study cannot be applied to all ostensibly channeled material, it in fact should not be, but it does establish that at least one instance of channeled information appears to originate via psi sensing from an agency outside of Roberts’ physical environment.

[BADecker]

The Bible was brought into being by God in His own way. It is wording that God uses to bring about salvation for those who hear or read it. This doesn't mean that they can't reject what they hear or read. It means that there is no other way to be saved than through what God works in the hearts of people, personally and individually, god to each person, regarding the salvation provided by Jesus.

[1aguar]

Look at it this way.  There are very few people in the world who would follow the way of damnation and destruction if they understood that there was a way to peace and joy open to them. People don't believe because they don't want to believe.

I believe that you have stated that the way to be blessed by God is to meditate upon God's Law day and night (Psalms 1). Is that correct?

The evidence is there. All you need do is Google words to the effect of "why the Bible is the Word of God" or "history of the writing of the Bible" and you will find all kinds of things that show that the Bible couldn't have happened.

And what prevents you from saying this same thing about the Phoenix Journals?

The fact is that this Grandmother managed to write a 200-page book EVERY 3 WEEKS FOR YEARS, hundreds of books in total.  How was this prodigious output, covering such a wide range of topics, possible?  Please do not be too quick to reject the truthful answer, that she scribed DIRECTLY for our Heavenly Father, exactly as stated.

[BADecker]

Look at it this way.  There are very few people in the world who would follow the way of damnation and destruction if they understood that there was a way to peace and joy open to them. People don't believe because they don't want to believe.

I believe that you have stated that the way to be blessed by God is to meditate upon God's Law day and night (Psalms 1). Is that correct?

The evidence is there. All you need do is Google words to the effect of "why the Bible is the Word of God" or "history of the writing of the Bible" and you will find all kinds of things that show that the Bible couldn't have happened.

And what prevents you from saying this same thing about the Phoenix Journals?

The fact is that this Grandmother managed to write a 200-page book EVERY 3 WEEKS FOR YEARS, hundreds of books in total.  How was this prodigious output, covering such a wide range of topics, possible?  Please do not be too quick to reject the truthful answer, that she scribed DIRECTLY for our Heavenly Father, exactly as stated.

If she had written the Bible over and over, then her words would have for a fact been truth.

[1aguar]

If she had written the Bible over and over, then her words would have for a fact been truth.

Why do you need to bring the Bible into this? The volume and detailed content of the Phoenix Project writings stands on its own as evidence that God is open; after all, God IS the WORD, so why not this word? Specifically: Why should we choose Paul over Hatonn? Because you would like to be saved through no effort of your own?

I believe that you have stated that the way to be blessed by God is to meditate upon God's Law day and night (Psalms 1). Is that correct?

[BADecker]

If she had written the Bible over and over, then her words would have for a fact been truth.

Why do you need to bring the Bible into this? The volume and detailed content of the Phoenix Project writings stands on its own as evidence that God is open; after all, God IS the WORD, so why not this word? Specifically: Why should we choose Paul over Hatonn? Because you would like to be saved through no effort of your own?

I believe that you have stated that the way to be blessed by God is to meditate upon God's Law day and night (Psalms 1). Is that correct?

Since we are talking about salvation, there is no other way to be saved other than through Jesus and the sacrifice He made. That's why to bring the Bible into it.

You are way mistaken about Paul. His writings give credit to Jesus. He was never against Jesus or God.

Psalm 1 expresses what it expresses. It is not the only thing that the Bible expresses.

[1aguar]

Since we are talking about salvation, there is no other way to be saved other than through Jesus and the sacrifice He made. That's why to bring the Bible into it.

That teaching of "salvation through Jesus" is the doctrine of Paul, the one who invented the word "Jesus"; it is not the teaching of the rest of the Bible and it is not Emmanuel's teaching; you do not need to assume that "Jesus" is a savior who died for your sins in order to understand the four Gospels.

You are way mistaken about Paul. His writings give credit to Jesus. He was never against Jesus or God.

Ah, but Paul was a persecutor of Christians and a Pharisee, and he never even met Emmanuel; he was not an apostle. So he would not be the best source to go to for the teachings of Emmanuel. The early Christians relied on the apostles who knew Emmanuel, and they did not hold any ideas about a "savior" or salvation through faith. Emmanuel did not claim to be the Son of God, he said "they say as much" at his trial. The passages in the Gospels can be interpreted as discussing the Christ way of goodness, not the personality and being of Emmanuel, who was a man.

Further, Paul alleges that a savior is necessary to be blessed by God, and that denies what is written in Psalm 1; see below.

Psalm 1 expresses what it expresses. It is not the only thing that the Bible expresses.

Psalm 1 expresses that to be blessed by God, it is sufficient to meditate upon God's Law day and night. No wonder then, that the early Christians had no problem with the Jewish teachings and did not need to introduce a "New Law" or a "Jesus" or a "savior" because they KNEW that it was sufficient to meditate upon God's Law, exactly as expressed.

[BADecker]

Since we are talking about salvation, there is no other way to be saved other than through Jesus and the sacrifice He made. That's why to bring the Bible into it.

That teaching of "salvation through Jesus" is the doctrine of Paul, the one who invented the word "Jesus"; it is not the teaching of the rest of the Bible and it is not Emmanuel's teaching; you do not need to assume that "Jesus" is a savior who died for your sins in order to understand the four Gospels.

You are way mistaken about Paul. His writings give credit to Jesus. He was never against Jesus or God.

Ah, but Paul was a persecutor of Christians and a Pharisee, and he never even met Emmanuel; he was not an apostle. So he would not be the best source to go to for the teachings of Emmanuel. The early Christians relied on the apostles who knew Emmanuel, and they did not hold any ideas about a "savior" or salvation through faith. Emmanuel did not claim to be the Son of God, he said "they say as much" at his trial. The passages in the Gospels can be interpreted as discussing the Christ way of goodness, not the personality and being of Emmanuel, who was a man.

Further, Paul alleges that a savior is necessary to be blessed by God, and that denies what is written in Psalm 1; see below.

Psalm 1 expresses what it expresses. It is not the only thing that the Bible expresses.

Psalm 1 expresses that to be blessed by God, it is sufficient to meditate upon God's Law day and night. No wonder then, that the early Christians had no problem with the Jewish teachings and did not need to introduce a "New Law" or a "Jesus" or a "savior" because they KNEW that it was sufficient to meditate upon God's Law, exactly as expressed.

"Jesus" means he who saves" or "savior." Paul didn't have to invent the word. He may have been among the first to apply it to the Messiah, Jesus.

You are mistaken about the early church beliefs in the Promised One, and His fulfillment in Jesus.

The person who meditates on God's Law recognizes the blessings from obeying it as well as the curses from not obeying it.

Is it a lot of fun playing ignorant?

[traderman]

If you guys wanna get some insights into what GOD actually is you should check out out this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnlVpm_PkNiFlTWFb0sEUDg

[bitsforburcks]

Since we are talking about salvation, there is no other way to be saved other than through Jesus and the sacrifice He made. That's why to bring the Bible into it.

That teaching of "salvation through Jesus" is the doctrine of Paul, the one who invented the word "Jesus"; it is not the teaching of the rest of the Bible and it is not Emmanuel's teaching; you do not need to assume that "Jesus" is a savior who died for your sins in order to understand the four Gospels.

You are way mistaken about Paul. His writings give credit to Jesus. He was never against Jesus or God.

Ah, but Paul was a persecutor of Christians and a Pharisee, and he never even met Emmanuel; he was not an apostle. So he would not be the best source to go to for the teachings of Emmanuel. The early Christians relied on the apostles who knew Emmanuel, and they did not hold any ideas about a "savior" or salvation through faith. Emmanuel did not claim to be the Son of God, he said "they say as much" at his trial. The passages in the Gospels can be interpreted as discussing the Christ way of goodness, not the personality and being of Emmanuel, who was a man.

Further, Paul alleges that a savior is necessary to be blessed by God, and that denies what is written in Psalm 1; see below.

Psalm 1 expresses what it expresses. It is not the only thing that the Bible expresses.

Psalm 1 expresses that to be blessed by God, it is sufficient to meditate upon God's Law day and night. No wonder then, that the early Christians had no problem with the Jewish teachings and did not need to introduce a "New Law" or a "Jesus" or a "savior" because they KNEW that it was sufficient to meditate upon God's Law, exactly as expressed.

"Jesus" means he who saves" or "savior." Paul didn't have to invent the word. He may have been among the first to apply it to the Messiah, Jesus.

You are mistaken about the early church beliefs in the Promised One, and His fulfillment in Jesus.

The person who meditates on God's Law recognizes the blessings from obeying it as well as the curses from not obeying it.

Is it a lot of fun playing ignorant?

How does debating a work of fiction be scientific?

[BADecker]

Since we are talking about salvation, there is no other way to be saved other than through Jesus and the sacrifice He made. That's why to bring the Bible into it.

That teaching of "salvation through Jesus" is the doctrine of Paul, the one who invented the word "Jesus"; it is not the teaching of the rest of the Bible and it is not Emmanuel's teaching; you do not need to assume that "Jesus" is a savior who died for your sins in order to understand the four Gospels.

You are way mistaken about Paul. His writings give credit to Jesus. He was never against Jesus or God.

Ah, but Paul was a persecutor of Christians and a Pharisee, and he never even met Emmanuel; he was not an apostle. So he would not be the best source to go to for the teachings of Emmanuel. The early Christians relied on the apostles who knew Emmanuel, and they did not hold any ideas about a "savior" or salvation through faith. Emmanuel did not claim to be the Son of God, he said "they say as much" at his trial. The passages in the Gospels can be interpreted as discussing the Christ way of goodness, not the personality and being of Emmanuel, who was a man.

Further, Paul alleges that a savior is necessary to be blessed by God, and that denies what is written in Psalm 1; see below.

Psalm 1 expresses what it expresses. It is not the only thing that the Bible expresses.

Psalm 1 expresses that to be blessed by God, it is sufficient to meditate upon God's Law day and night. No wonder then, that the early Christians had no problem with the Jewish teachings and did not need to introduce a "New Law" or a "Jesus" or a "savior" because they KNEW that it was sufficient to meditate upon God's Law, exactly as expressed.

"Jesus" means he who saves" or "savior." Paul didn't have to invent the word. He may have been among the first to apply it to the Messiah, Jesus.

You are mistaken about the early church beliefs in the Promised One, and His fulfillment in Jesus.

The person who meditates on God's Law recognizes the blessings from obeying it as well as the curses from not obeying it.

Is it a lot of fun playing ignorant?

How does debating a work of fiction be scientific?

Isaac Asimov was one of the world's great science fiction writers. He filled his science fiction stories with lots of science.

Some of the science fiction science of Asimov was found to be incorrect, just as lots of science has been debunked by later science that proved it to not be true. Yet it was probably the science that Asimov had in his works of fiction that excited young researchers to go out and find what the truth was in certain areas of science.

Some of Asimov's science was true. Some of his predictions about science became true. So, we can see how debating science fiction often causes the true science to be revealed one way or another.

[1aguar]

"Jesus" means he who saves" or "savior." Paul didn't have to invent the word. He may have been among the first to apply it to the Messiah, Jesus.

His name was Emmanuel, then Paul labeled him "Jesus"; however, Emmanuel never said he was THE WAY, it is through the Christ "way" that you are blessed, just like it says in Psalm 1 that you are blessed by obedience to the Law.

You are mistaken about the early church beliefs in the Promised One, and His fulfillment in Jesus.

Not true, BADecker; you are ignorant about the modern scholarship on the subject. The first Christians were Jews and they did not reject the OT law like Paul did. After the death of Stephen, the Christians siding with the "savior" story fled and preached their doctrine in other lands, at that point they were called "Christ-people" or christianoi and that is when Paul entered the scene.

The person who meditates on God's Law recognizes the blessings from obeying it as well as the curses from not obeying it.

Those who meditate upon the Law REALIZE their blessings, they are blessed because of their obedience to the Law. It is sufficient to follow the law and meditate upon it; you don't need to add the doctrine of Paul to the Bible's teachings. Paul was a Pharisee who never met Jesus Emmanuel, so he is not the best authority; the Gnostics have an equal claim to true faith, as you can see from the modern scholarship on the subject.
Paul's doctrine is pretty shaky in light of Psalm 1 which states that it is sufficient to follow the law and meditate upon it, so I thank you for pointing that out to me.

Is it a lot of fun playing ignorant?

Well, I would ask you the same seeing as you still have an unexplained contradiction that you posted in this thread, you refuse to follow-up on the modern scholarly references provided in those audios, and you posit a hidden (occult) motive for when Emmanuel denied being the "Son of God" at his trial.

[BADecker]

"Jesus" means he who saves" or "savior." Paul didn't have to invent the word. He may have been among the first to apply it to the Messiah, Jesus.

His name was Emmanuel, then Paul labeled him "Jesus"; however, Emmanuel never said he was THE WAY, it is through the Christ "way" that you are blessed, just like it says in Psalm 1 that you are blessed by obedience to the Law.

Jesus of the Bible said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the father but through me."

"Emmanuel" means "God with us." Jesus proved He was God by the things He did.

You are mistaken about the early church beliefs in the Promised One, and His fulfillment in Jesus.

Not true, BADecker; you are ignorant about the modern scholarship on the subject. The first Christians were Jews and they did not reject the OT law like Paul did. After the death of Stephen, the Christians siding with the "savior" story fled and preached their doctrine in other lands, at that point they were called "Christ-people" or christianoi and that is when Paul entered the scene.

Since we didn't talk about the things you are speaking about here except, possibly, in generalities some time ago, why do you suggest that I made a stance on any of them?

Paul did NOT reject the Old Testament law. Read his N.T. writings and you will see.

The person who meditates on God's Law recognizes the blessings from obeying it as well as the curses from not obeying it.

Those who meditate upon the Law REALIZE their blessings, they are blessed because of their obedience to the Law. It is sufficient to follow the law and meditate upon it; you don't need to add the doctrine of Paul to the Bible's teachings. Paul was a Pharisee who never met Jesus Emmanuel, so he is not the best authority; the Gnostics have an equal claim to true faith, as you can see from the modern scholarship on the subject.
Paul's doctrine is pretty shaky in light of Psalm 1 which states that it is sufficient to follow the law and meditate upon it, so I thank you for pointing that out to me.

You are missing a very important thing in this. Nobody obeys the Law perfectly. And if it isn't perfect, it isn't good enough before God, Who is perfect so that He doesn't even have a shadow of turning.

Want eternal life? Be perfect. Even babies are not perfect, even if they don't sin. Why not? Because they have genetic corruption in themselves by being born from genetically corrupt parents... all the way back to Adam and Eve, who took on genetic corruption from the forbidden fruit they ate.

The only way you can gain eternal life is to talk God into giving it to you. The only one God will listen to is Jesus regarding you and your sin. Why? Because Jesus as God and man took the punisment for everybody - His man part, because man had sinned, and man had to pay - his God part, because His man part didn't have the strength to take the punishment for other men.

Is it a lot of fun playing ignorant?

Well, I would ask you the same seeing as you still have an unexplained contradiction that you posted in this thread, you refuse to follow-up on the modern scholarly references provided in those audios, and you posit a hidden (occult) motive for when Emmanuel denied being the "Son of God" at his trial.

Jesus didn't deny His Godness at the trial. He simply maintained it in a way that was most beneficial for those questioning Him.

As far as the occult being in the Journals... The Bible is available around the world. No secret thing there. But few have the Journals. Even if many did, their size is far greater than the Bible. Their meaning is hidden (occult) in their massiveness. As Solomon said, "The more the words, the less the meaning."

[1aguar]

"Jesus" means he who saves" or "savior." Paul didn't have to invent the word. He may have been among the first to apply it to the Messiah, Jesus.

His name was Emmanuel, then Paul labeled him "Jesus"; however, Emmanuel never said he was THE WAY, it is through the Christ "way" that you are blessed, just like it says in Psalm 1 that you are blessed by obedience to the Law.

Jesus of the Bible said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the father but through me."

"Emmanuel" means "God with us." Jesus proved He was God by the things He did.

Why do we have to go around in circles on this? It is not his being that has any merit--it is his Oneness with Creator, which is called "Christ knowing".

Sananda repeats something that you perhaps missed in your following of incorrect information givers. EXCEPT THROUGH ME (CHRIST ACTIONS AS GIVEN IN BALANCE; THE LAWS OF HARMONY AND BALANCE OF THE GREAT SPIRIT AND MOTHER/FATHER CREATION/CREATOR), SHALL YE PASS INTO THE PERFECTION OF THE SO-CALLED HOUSE OF GOD.

God will not listen to the wicked ones, you have to have meditated upon God's Laws day and night; you too can say "I and the father are one" because God's kingdom is within you and "you will do greater things" than even Emmanuel! You cannot arrive at "GOD" by following a MAN--any MAN, not even a "Jesus". You find GOD by following the CHRIST "way" toward all things and actions chosen, intended and honored.

Why would Emmanuel conceal something from the authorities? It makes no sense; he said "they say as much" because others claimed he was the savior of the Hebrews when he was only a man. This is discussed in the Phoenix Journals at length because there has been so much incorrect information. These are remarkable books and the teachings therein are totally authentic; it is mainstream Christianity that is based on the teachings of MAN and the remnants and revisions of ancient texts of mostly unknown origin.

God is within you; "Christ" is NOT A NAME, it is a form of life being-ness, emotional sanctity and goodness according to the golden rule. This man KNEW truth and tried to TEACH IT. Now he has returned bearing a new name (Sananda) and he has communicated the authentic teachings as found in the Journals, and you disagree only because you have not read enough; in any case, you would do well to understand the laws and meditate upon them, so why not read my perspective on the matter by giving Journal #27 a read. Then you can read Emmanuel's story in Journal #2. These books are packed with wisdom; all Scripture is full of wisdom if you have even a little discernment.

Today, mainstream Christianity has so many splinter groups and the world is in chaos; maybe your way and wisdom didn't work? It is a prime example of magical thinking when you claim that someone has washed away your wicked actions so that you don't have to take responsibility for them. Then, you compound it by claiming that you have the "option" of salvation, as though you need do nothing to earn your way into Godness. I am sorry my brother, but Emmanuel never said that he was your savior. Why must you have interpreters and go-betweens, authorities other than self and "saviors" to take your burden and "save even your soul"? The Evil Adversary King of Deceit also comes calling himself the Prince of Light and the Bright Morning Star. You have to grow beyond the lies of the churches who present the escape route of blood spillage of "saviors" and do-nothing but "believe" raptures. It SIMPLY IS NOT GOING TO WORK THAT WAY--AND YOU ARE CHILDREN OF THE LIE--IN MASONIC TERMS, HOODWINKED! You can't HAVE A SAVIOR for the United States or any other "taken" nation--the nation of citizens have to SAVE THEMSELVES. If you break the laws of GOD (CHRIST LAWS) YOU are among the Antichrist. IF YOU WANT TO BE SAVED--GET WITH TRUTH SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT AND WHO HAS BROKEN YOU. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT AGAINST TRUTH, SO DON'T BOTHER YOURSELF.

[BCEmporium]

The fact that "Emanuel" means "God with us" and "Ismael" means "by the will of God" and other -El (He in Hebrew) ended names means something related to God are meant to prove anything?! That's like using old claims (not a shred of evidence) as evidence for themselves.
It is like something I came across recently while studying Islam; Quran 2:282 states the witness of a woman worth half of the witness of a man, later on on Hadith Bukhari 6:301 you have Mo asking a woman "if it is not true that the witness of woman worth half of a man" as if it wasn't him the one setting that rule on the first place.  

1aguar;

The ability to recall past lives.
Would be great anyway, if possible. All historical data will be accurate because we would have witnesses of all the periods, including pre-historical times.
But if we don't have such ability, then what purpose would reincarnation fits? None.

I see many "I convinced skeptics" used as an argument. However how "skeptical" were those "skeptics"? Because when you see a "skeptical" on those shows, they say something like: "I was very skeptical about paranormal activity", yet their houses are furnished with several thousands of bucks "paranormal-related" gear. Sounds like they build a house like:
- Hey, I'm skeptical about aliens, but let me spend here more 100K to build an UFO parking lot.
 

[BADecker]

"Jesus" means he who saves" or "savior." Paul didn't have to invent the word. He may have been among the first to apply it to the Messiah, Jesus.

His name was Emmanuel, then Paul labeled him "Jesus"; however, Emmanuel never said he was THE WAY, it is through the Christ "way" that you are blessed, just like it says in Psalm 1 that you are blessed by obedience to the Law.

Jesus of the Bible said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the father but through me."

"Emmanuel" means "God with us." Jesus proved He was God by the things He did.

Why do we have to go around in circles on this? It is not his being that has any merit--it is his Oneness with Creator, which is called "Christ knowing".

If we are going around in circles, it is simply because we have not laid the foundation of what we mean by certain words.

Imagine that you are alone, sitting in your room, meditating a little. You are you. You are not somebody else. You might be aware of someone else in your meditation. But even in your awareness, you are you, and not someone else.

In the same way, I am I. I am not you, and you are not me. We may have many similarities in body, mind and spirit. But we are not each other, ever... at least not in this life.

God is a bit different, since He is God. He is far greater than we. Yet, He DOES have an identity that says I am, just the same that we say "I am" with our identity. The difference with God is that He is God in 3 I am's. They are 3; they are each completely God individually; they are completely one God jointly; there is no division between them; yet they are 3 distinct individuals. They can be this way because they are God. We don't understand this just like we don't understand many things about our universe.

Jesus is God from the standpoint of His own I am. Jesus is God from the standpoint of His I am jointly with the Others in what Bible people call the Godhead.

You and I are not part of the Godhead. We can be accepted as having qualities similar to certain aspects of the Godhead, but this acceptance is only allowed because of the work that Jesus did on the cross plus His resurrection, and by the Holy Spirit working faith in Jesus in our hearts.

This is what I mean. We may have disagreement over this. But this is the simplest form of the thing that the Bible teaches regarding the personal identity of God, and the personal identity of each human being other than Jesus. Let's not get started on the personal identities of each angel.

Sananda repeats something that you perhaps missed in your following of incorrect information givers. EXCEPT THROUGH ME (CHRIST ACTIONS AS GIVEN IN BALANCE; THE LAWS OF HARMONY AND BALANCE OF THE GREAT SPIRIT AND MOTHER/FATHER CREATION/CREATOR), SHALL YE PASS INTO THE PERFECTION OF THE SO-CALLED HOUSE OF GOD.

God will not listen to the wicked ones, you have to have meditated upon God's Laws day and night; you too can say "I and the father are one" because God's kingdom is within you and "you will do greater things" than even Emmanuel! You cannot arrive at "GOD" by following a MAN--any MAN, not even a "Jesus". You find GOD by following the CHRIST "way" toward all things and actions chosen, intended and honored.

Anybody who wants to do the works of God, will accomplish them when he/she believes in the salvation of Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke this in the Gospels in the N.T.

The words of Psalm 1 direct us to believe in Jesus, Who is called the Messiah in the O.T., thereby accepting the work of perfection that He lived in His life, and the work of salvation that He did on the cross and through His resurrection. This is evident in the fact that nobody has the perfection that God requires, even if a person never does even one sin in his whole life. There is still genetic imperfection in his body.

The foundation for this understanding is explained throughout the O.T., and it has its fulfillment in the N.T., with Paul and others clarifying how it should be used and understood in the churches.

Why would Emmanuel conceal something from the authorities? It makes no sense; he said "they say as much" because others claimed he was the savior of the Hebrews when he was only a man.

Jesus wasn't only a man, even though He was completely a man.

This is discussed in the Phoenix Journals at length because there has been so much incorrect information. These are remarkable books and the teachings therein are totally authentic; it is mainstream Christianity that is based on the teachings of MAN and the remnants and revisions of ancient texts of mostly unknown origin.

Obviously, we have disagreement about this.

God is within you; "Christ" is NOT A NAME, it is a form of life being-ness, emotional sanctity and goodness according to the golden rule. This man KNEW truth and tried to TEACH IT. Now he has returned bearing a new name (Sananda) and he has communicated the authentic teachings as found in the Journals, and you disagree only because you have not read enough; in any case, you would do well to understand the laws and meditate upon them, so why not read my perspective on the matter by giving Journal #27 a read. Then you can read Emmanuel's story in Journal #2. These books are packed with wisdom; all Scripture is full of wisdom if you have even a little discernment.

Imagine that Jesus had done everything that He did. But imagine, also, that the things that He did had never been written down. Would there still be the Journals. Would they be as short as they are?

There are many messiahs in different ways throughout all time. But there is only one Jesus Christ, Jesus Messiah. He, being the begotten Son of God, is the only Savior. Everyone else who has Christ likeness, has it because of Jesus Christ.

Today, mainstream Christianity has so many splinter groups and the world is in chaos; maybe your way and wisdom didn't work? It is a prime example of magical thinking when you claim that someone has washed away your wicked actions so that you don't have to take responsibility for them. Then, you compound it by claiming that you have the "option" of salvation, as though you need do nothing to earn your way into Godness. I am sorry my brother, but Emmanuel never said that he was your savior. Why must you have interpreters and go-betweens, authorities other than self and "saviors" to take your burden and "save even your soul"?

Again, it is because of lack of perfection. God gave perfection to mankind when He gave it to Adam and Eve. Mankind wrecked their perfection when they ate the forbidden fruit.

When God created the universe, He saw that everything was good. There was nothing else He could do to save people. Jesus was already built right into the universe from the beginning.

We aren't and can't be good enough for God except that we accept the goodness God worked out for us through Jesus, the Christ.

The Evil Adversary King of Deceit also comes calling himself the Prince of Light and the Bright Morning Star. You have to grow beyond the lies of the churches who present the escape route of blood spillage of "saviors" and do-nothing but "believe" raptures. It SIMPLY IS NOT GOING TO WORK THAT WAY--AND YOU ARE CHILDREN OF THE LIE--IN MASONIC TERMS, HOODWINKED! You can't HAVE A SAVIOR for the United States or any other "taken" nation--the nation of citizens have to SAVE THEMSELVES. If you break the laws of GOD (CHRIST LAWS) YOU are among the Antichrist. IF YOU WANT TO BE SAVED--GET WITH TRUTH SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT AND WHO HAS BROKEN YOU. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT AGAINST TRUTH, SO DON'T BOTHER YOURSELF.

There is no way to save yourself, or for any person to save himself. If there were, people would not die. We all need someone to save us. God made the way of salvation to be in Jesus, through faith in Him and His work on the cross plus His resurrection. We simply can't do it ourselves. If we could, we would evidence the fact by not dying.