Scientific proof that God exists?

[1aguar]

The ability to recall past lives.
Would be great anyway, if possible.

What do you mean "if possible"? I still maintain points #39 and #41 which show that it IS possible under certain conditions.
Recall occurs, and in children (#39) it is validated by birthmarks, phobias/philias, specialized knowledge, etc. Similarly for adults under hypnotic regression (#41).
There are even strong cases of after-death communication, when the deceased personality communicates with the living. Here is a very strong case of transcommunication with the dead:
http://www.aeces.info/Top40/Cases_8-25/case24_soulmate.pdf

Furthermore, we were still discussing the AWARE study; it strongly supports a separation of mind and brain:

The idea that "you only live once" is useless because it has been falsified

Just because you said so and some crackpots who get 1 possible result out of thousands?

There was 1 verifiable result of veridical perception during a period when the brain absolutely could not function. What is the problem with that conclusion? I think it is remarkable, it definitely needs more study.

The burden of proof is upon skeptics to show how the materialist paradigm can explain the facts surrounding NDE; there is good science in point #52 and others that refutes your assertion that these stories are made up, so I do suggest that you first provide a hypothesis that actually fits the observations.

But if we don't have such ability, then what purpose would reincarnation fits? None.

The survival hypothesis does not propose a purpose or mechanism behind the personality transfer. It stands on its own as a scientific hypothesis without needing a purpose or mechanism.
I do not have a burden of proof with regards to the purpose of rebirth, I just assert the existence of rebirth on the basis of the evidence.
It seems to me that you are searching for a purpose that makes sense in the context of materialism.
Your burden is to prove that the materialist paradigm can explain the facts surrounding NDE. Same with the rest of the evidence for survival.
Since NDE cannot be explained by brain chemistry alone, it shows that mind and brain are not the same thing.
The reason/purpose for survival of the personality will have to be found outside the materialist paradigm.
Hence, I am still seeking a rational response from any atheist in this thread with regards to the evidence presented. All the atheists seem to get really quiet when I present these 52 points for their evaluation.

[1aguar]

There is no way to save yourself, or for any person to save himself. If there were, people would not die. If we could, we would evidence the fact by not dying.

There is no death; our souls are eternal; it has been demonstrated scientifically by the validation of the survival hypothesis that some personalities survive death, therefore it stands to reason that all personalities survive death.

You can evidence the FACT that Emmanuel never once suggested that he was your savior.

Also, you can evidence the fact that you cannot HAVE A SAVIOR for the United States; each citizen must save themselves and help each other (by offering help and responding to the call for help) if we are to save this nation. No one can redeem the nation except the citizens themselves.

If a man cannot bring himself to recognize the presence of God and Hosts, is it different from your own perception?

A very great point in your life is whether or not you serve GOD or the physical manipulators. For, if you serve the Elite Banksters thinking you will glean wealth and luxury--YOU WILL NOT! FURTHERMORE, YOU WILL BE EVEN WORSE OFF IF YOU GIVE AND ATTEND THE NEEDS AS PROJECTED BY AND THROUGH YOUR GREAT EVANGELICAL “CHRISTIANS”! IT IS TIME TO FACE TRUTH, BELOVED FRIENDS.

IT MATTERS NOT WHO I MIGHT BE--YOU HAD BEST LOOK SQUARELY AT THAT WHICH “IS” ABOUT YOU AND GO WITHIN YOUR REASONING MIND AT WHAT “THEY” PROJECT AND CALCULATE IF IT CAN EVEN BE PRODUCED THROUGH WHAT THEY TELL YOU--THEN, AND ONLY THEN, WILL YOU COME INTO REALIZATION THAT THE PLIGHT IS FAIRLY SERIOUS IF YOU DON’T TAKE SOME POSITIVE ACTION IN SELF PROTECTION. THERE IS NO MERIT IN DENOUNCING ME OR MINE--FOR I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU DO--I OFFER INFORMATION UNTO THOSE WHO ASK ME AND, EVEN THEN, THEY ARE CERTAINLY FREE TO ACT AS THEY PLEASE. “IF A CHILD ASKS HIS FATHER FOR A PIECE OF BREAD WOULD THE FATHER GIVE HIM A STONE?” YOU ASK, I GIVE--NO MORE AND NO LESS--YOU MAY EAT THE BREAD OR GET THINE OWN STONE BUT THE PROOF OF THE MATTER IS IN THE “EATING”. I CAN ONLY HOPE YOU HAVE VERY GOOD TEETH FOR I KNOW NO “FREE” DENTISTS EITHER!

The point is, do you want Truth, facts and working information--OR, scrolls, King’s English and pretty books to adorn unread shelving? Get with “reality”, chelas--PLEASE.

May you have grown in KNOWING in that you can feel and see the beat of the marching feet of God’s troops--in the reality of that which IS and beyond and into that which WILL BE! The fate of your nation, all nations, and your planet depends upon that which YOU know and come to understand--and within the actions in intelligent wisdom.

Why do you expect another man to be perfection? Perfection comes when the doubts are removed and this man [Bo Gritz] never claimed perfection--only SERVICE in the manner he could see would work to restore your nation. He expressed his PERCEPTION of God and Christ as he recognizes it in the process of himself awakening. Shall I throw him out on his ear because he didn’t fully understand and reverted to the anger and ego of MAN? To move away from ME must be by HIS OWN CHOICE for GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH HIM YET AND PERFECTION COMES ONLY WHEN GOD PROJECTS PERFECTION. AT THIS TIME UPON YOUR EARTH MASS--MAN WILL NOT FOLLOW PERFECTION FOR YOU FEAR IT AND REFUSE TO ALLOW SELF WITHIN THE CIRCLE OF PERFECTION.

You ask WHY do I not appear and “make it right”? Because only the very minute numbers of your fragments would accept it. Do “I” claim perfection in my own role in this journey? NO--for I experience as your elder brother and my mission must share in the very things of earth expression. AM I PERFECT? I AM, and therefore what more is there to be? Am I a thought? A reality? A form? A vision? I am all of those things for I AM!

Indeed, chelas, if ALL were PERFECTION--there would be no need for the experience. Ponder it.

If a man REFUSES intentionally to recognize his Source and the Laws as absolute (not voted-in to suit physical expression and luxurious comfort and physical senses), then that becomes between that individual and GOD and is not your business. You do not judge--but neither do you continue a wrong-way journey--IF INDEED YOU ARE SEEKING HIGHER UNDERSTANDING, FREEDOM, AND GOD.

THIS BATTLE INTO FREEDOM AND TRUTH OF HIGHER EXPERIENCE OF MAN-BEINGS WILL BE DONE THROUGH THE WAY OF GOD OR IT SHALL NOT BE DONE! It will require faltering step following step, unity and supporting that which serves until the expression is reached in proper sequence and order. Sometimes the way requires less than that which we would “like” or “desire” but we grow into perfection through experience and, did “things” not occur exactly as they have, can the proper ones who will ultimately serve in the highest leadership--find their way. To JUDGE another is tantamount to your own FALL. Why? Because you can only JUDGE according to your own level of ego expression and often the projection of THAT expression comes most visible in the heat of having one’s own status questioned or stricken.

GOD’S REALMS HAVE NO TITLES OR ROYALTY. If a speaker pronounces otherwise--that speaker is false and the speaker beyond the receiver is false in the sense that it is in service unto the adversary for God’s REPRESENTATIVES AS HOSTS AND GUIDES BEAR NO TITLES OR HOMAGE UNTO SELVES. As I have said before, “Do not get on your knees unto me for then, I have to take to my knees in order to lead or serve you.” If you sit upon your assets and refuse to act--then I must sit upon yours also, and nothing is achieved--except further service to the adversary of LIFE--that one which represents only physical expression.

Some who wish to pound upon Col. Gritz are calling him a "phony 'savior'". Let me tell you something loudly and clearly: All “SAVIORS” are by identification and definition “PHONY”. There are no “saviors” to save anything or more specifically anyone! If there is going to be any “saving” going on--you will do it for yourself. This includes your Constitution and your nation.

If you are wise you will not treat him, or me, AS GOD. I do not ask to be “your” God and you will not shift such a responsibility upon me when it is YOURS to bear. Each one will find his Godness in that “garden alone”--I can only stand “watch” with you. This is all the man from Galilee could do--stand watch with you and show you the way! He could not “save” you by his blood--for it must be by your own that salvation comes. He could love and petition grace and mercy upon your “ignorance” (“Father, they know not what they do.”) but he did not EVER ONCE suggest he was your SAVIOR. MAN HAS PROJECTED THAT LIE UPON YOU TO KEEP YOU FROM FINDING YOUR TRUTH WITHIN GOD.

There is a quotation on your place: “It is better to do something wrong than to do nothing.” I remind you that if you do something within the Laws of God it will never be WRONG--and only through actions will God recognize the MAN. Further, if you ask for guidance in the NAME OF GOD--IN INTENT FROM HEART--IT WILL BE GIVEN AND VERY, VERY OFTEN IT WILL CERTAINLY NOT BE AS YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD BE OR EVEN WANTED! May this knowledge rest within thine heart every day forever!

I tell you the doctrines of your “man-made” churches are evil.

If you place your “belief” on that of human expression--then you shall be trapped within it.

The entirety of Creation lives and dies in sequences.

Water and soil are decayed and dying rock. They are, literally, dead rocks. Out of death in Nature life springs, and when life above ground is dead it gives new life to the death of earth. These are the things which mankind must know. It knows too little about life and death, and how each one interchanges with the other to make death live and make life die. This is so fundamental a part of the process of Nature that you would be very much more interested in her whole processes if you would but give more thought to this one. Take note, for example, that the moment a peach in the dish on your table becomes over ripe you will see fruit flies hovering over it. They were born from it, and other less complex life forms were born from it before that, just as millions of microbes and other primitive life forms are born in your living body, and more complex ones will be born from your dead body. You do not realize that all of your body is not wholly alive all the time. Part of you is always dead or dying, up to your maturity. After that all of them are slowly dying. We will not get into mental control over that process, at this time for I do not want your distraction to take you from the point at issue.

The millions of microbes which await more full life in you are harmless to you while you can charge your body sufficiently to insulate your life from their death. About two pounds of your body dies every day, and the millions of dead bodies which are in that two pounds would kill your live body if you took them back into your metabolism again. Have you ever thought of that? Great cities must have great sanitation departments to guard against just that.

Have you ever thought that your every inbreath charges you with power to live, and every outbreath is death? That means that you are perpetually living and dying thirty or forty times a minute. More amazing still--if you will but give deep thought to it--is the fact that whatever lives in you is not a poison to you, but whatever of your own body which does not live WILL POISON YOU. You breathe in living oxygen which comes to you from the earth and its foliage. It dies in you and you breathe out a deadly poison known as carbon dioxide. That carbon dioxide is not poison to the ground, however. It is food to the ground. The earth breathes in that food and breathes it out as oxygen, which is poison to the ground, however. Have you given thought to this? Have you ever stopped to think that the very water you drink, the air you breathe, and the food you eat, comes from the dead and decaying body of this planet, and that every living body which dies and is returned to the earth, recharges the earth with renewed life? You probably have never given this a thought. We ask you to do so now, in order that you will more fully understand this next step in your understanding of life, death and immortality, in addition to beginning to know your universe. Just pause for a minute or two and ponder this information.

This is your next step. We have pictured your simultaneously living-dying body. You must now know that all bodies in all the universe are the same in all respects, whether they are electrons, cells, rocks, metals, trees, men, planets or suns. All of them live and die in the same manner. All breathe in the charging breath of life and breathe out the discharging breath of death. All of them compress heat and polarize when they breathe in, and expand, cool and depolarize when they breathe out.

Why is this? It is because all bodies are made of--and by--electric waves, and every characteristic of the electric current is a life and death alternation. The entirety of Creation lives and dies in sequences. With this thought in mind consider the body of this earth in the same way that you would consider your own body. Parts of the earth's body are dead, and other parts are dying, just as parts of your body are dead and others are dying. Just as the slight decay of an over ripe peach will not hurt you, while a fully decayed one might kill you, so, likewise, the “over ripe” chemical elements of the earth, which are not too far from carbon will not hurt you, while the farther they are beyond carbon the more deadly they become, and the more impossible it is to guard yourself from their quick death (Fig. 5). This is the lesson of life and death which you must first know. Step by step you will know its whole process. You will then be ready to know “where you go after you die”, and fully comprehend it.

Now think of the life and death of a planet as you would think of the life and death of your own body. You fully know that your own body grows to maturity--say at forty--when it is more virile than at any other age. That means that every cell in your body is more virile than that same cell could be at sixty, or eighty. At forty your body cells are true spheres and small, fast turning rings.

At sixty the cells have become very much flattened at their poles as our earth is doing, and their surfaces are beginning to wrinkle with many rings, like Jupiter, just as an old face wrinkles with many lines. At eighty, rings are actually thrown off at equators, like the rings of Saturn. These rings are dead cells of Saturn's still living body. An old man of ninety is still living but all of his cells are dying faster than he can replace them. This is an important fact for you to understand. Your car battery will help you comprehend the whole principle of the long slow years of dying. When it is charging while you are running it, that shows that its power to generate life is greater than its power to degenerate by discharge. The old age of anything, whether man, electron or planet, means that the galvanometer needle of its life current is showing more discharge than charge, even though it is charging some.

Look at Figs. 3 & 4. These are pictures of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn to illustrate three such stages of slow dying. Dear ones, you must have death before you can have renewed life--it is simply the way of the cycles. It is also a good point to consider when efforting at all costs to hold on to an old body--why do so? It is only the fear of the unknown and the proof of NOT KNOWING--for all ones would far rather, if possible, have a nice new house. You ones work, pray, spend money and go through agony just to change the ones you already have--why do you wish so much to hang on to that which is moving toward re-birthing and renewal?

[1aguar]

I, 1aguar, would like for ALL to pay close attention to this quotation:

WHY PERSONAL INTEGRITY REQUIRES PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

[Sananda introduces self and the definitions of integrity and responsibility]

Integrity and responsibility are most delicately intertwined. To achieve utmost spiritual integrity, one must recognize and understand his responsibilities; first to God/Aton/Creator Within and also to the rest of the lifeforce expression within the Creation. In order to become a spiritually conscious co-creator with God/Aton, one must become ONE with living the Cosmic Laws of God /Creation. One must realize his accountability to the Great Spirit within Him. He must become impeccable (free from error, fault, or flaw) regarding adherence to Cosmic Law. And to gain cosmic power, he must become spiritually complete, unimpaired and sound of character, which is the state of being called integrity.

Now in order to become impeccable in your integrity, one must BE responsible by listening to Spirit within about "right" and "wrong"--or as I prefer to call it balanced or unbalanced--thinking and behavior. Each of you have the KNOWLEDGE within with which to be responsible in every thought, word and deed. You need only LISTEN carefully and ask God/Aton within to help you recognize your error, instantly when you make one. It may not always be pleasant to become instantly accountable for your misdeed or misthoughts, but if you pay careful attention, you will find that you will seldom if ever repeat the same error. You will find that the careful attention to and recognition of your inner guidance, instantly, is well worth the temporary inconvenience or discomfort to your "altered" ego.

So by requesting God/Aton within to show you the error, immediately, He will also show you the balanced thought action or deed with which to reclaim your impeccability of Spirit. Why can it be seemingly so easy to recognize errors?

Because, chelas, you ones have made essentially THE SAME errors over and over again. Lifetime after lifetime now you have chosen to be irresponsible and remain spiritually ignorant. You already KNOW and can distinguish between that which is balanced and unbalanced thought and behavior; you simply have forgotten you KNOW.

When you separated yourself from the Great Spirit within you, which fully contained your being as far as perfect guidance and knowledge, you became spiritually powerless. When you worshipped in separateness from THE ONE and therefore sought OUTSIDE your being for guidance, you DENIED the Spirit within YOU its full creative potential. And because you felt no longer responsible for that which you manifested, you became your own slaves to the physical illusion. By your self-denial you created leaders over you who would support your "belief" in separation from Creator, and thus you developed tremendous attachment to physical matter. This accounts for the same developed attachment to EGO-separate illusion.

To achieve Spiritual integrity you are required to BE responsible and acceptable for the effects of your thoughts, words and deeds. In order to be responsible, you must UNDERSTAND and adhere to The Cosmic Laws of that Balance. You must seek ONENESS and see UNITY with all, NOT separation, inferiority or superiority to anyone or anything. You must become impeccable in your intent to serve God and The Creation. You must recognize only ONE WILL, the Will of THE ONE, Creator/Creation. Then you will gain the Spiritual integrity of CHRIST perfection and with that your Power within will become Magnificent.

Remember when I, Sananda, walked as man upon your place I told you, "These things I do, YOU will do GREATER". So be it and it is coming to pass, chelas.

I would like to requote something for you to ponder from our beloved St. Germain: "Your personal power is in direct proportion to the integrity of your soul". This one sentence says it all, chelas. Ponder these things most carefully that you hear Spirit to Spirit and not Spirit to ego illusion. This "time", my brethren, is the "hour" of the dawning of YOUR spiritual awakening. How the Angels Glory in Heaven REJOICE; for earth human is preparing for the celebration of ONENESS and BROTHERHOOD within GOD'S HOLY Kingdom of LIGHT!

Only Man through his adversarial/primitive misdirection chooses to take from nature without regard for balance and harmony of ALL within Creation.

The resounding EFFECTS of Earth Man's adversarial TAKING behavior is clearly represented upon your plane at this time...although Man has only just begun to realize HIMSELF as the CAUSE of this unbalance.

It is always a struggle to take, even if it is only perception of physical "things", simply because the soul is left empty, for your immortal soul is not enriched and replenished through "taking" of life and physical conquering of another or Nature.

Only through KNOWLEDGE of giving of self, without emotional strings attached, will your immortal soul be lifted from earth physical attachment and compression.

WHAT IS "NO STRINGS ATTACHED" GIVING?

In order to give effortlessly, the knowledge has been gained that it is one's expression of God Divine LOVE which is ultimately being given. The fulfillment of true ego-selfless giving is immediate and not dependent upon perceived physical acceptance of same by the receiver. Although one who is a selfless giver will also be a most gracious receiver of returned LOVE to himself.

Are you beginning to understand, precious chelas? God working through you will ALWAYS BE FULFILLING YOU through His giving and regiving of LOVE.

You ones have no idea how often ones of us who work closely with you, want to DO something more than COSMIC LAW will allow us to do. Many ones of us have petitioned to GOD and He clearly has defined that which we may and may not do to remain in His service. The difference between us, of higher experience, and you of Earth physical compression, is that WE KNOW THE LAWS OF GOD AND CREATION and our Spiritual Integrity of SERVICE TO THE HIGHEST ONE will not allow us to break THE LAWS.

Just as a parent with a child who is stumbling and learning to walk feels compassion for his child who he knows must do it on his own with only loving guidance, we too must observe and guide you ones without interfering and DOING it for you, for then we only serve ourselves in our impatience to "hurry" along your growth. The progress of your growth, however "long" it takes, is between YOU and GOD. Interfering in that process is FORCE and FORCE is not of GOD/ATON!

ALLOWING FORCE IS NOT OF GOD

So you may be thinking, "What about the Adversary?" The Adversary definitely seems to "force" his way into domination. DOES THE ADVERSARY REALLY "FORCE"? Think about this, chelas.

The adversary definitely lies, cheats, and intimidates, but does he force his way into existence here. The adversary can kill the body physical to further its means. So where does the adversary get its power? The answer, chelas, is from YOU! You have "allowed" the adversary to intimidate you, and when you became "afraid", you gave the adversary your GOD-POWER. He controls you though your perceived "separation" from God. And the only reason you are still upon this 3rd dimensional plane is because you have BELIEVED THE LIES AND DECEPTIONS OF THE ADVERSARY WHILE YOUR GOD-GIFTED SOUL HAS PINED AWAY FOR RE-UNIFICATION WITH THE ONE, GOD/ATON.

The question now is to self. "Are you ready to release the adversary?" If so, then ALL of your TRUST and FAITH must be directed toward GOD who exists within YOU. Therein will your freedom from the bondage of limited physical adversarial perception be earned. Did you read that clearly? YOU WILL EARN YOUR SPIRITUAL UNITY BY ACCESSING THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD WITHIN YOU. And your "proof" will be forthcoming through FAITH and the return of your free-will to God. For your "proof "of God's existence and "coming" will be revealed WITHIN YOU! FOR THERE IS WHERE EXISTS THE KINGDOM OF GOD…WITHIN YOU!!

SO WHAT ABOUT "GRACE" GIVEN OF GOD?
Grace is the quality of God of Giving and Regiving Love. Let us define Grace, "1. Beauty or harmony of motion, form or manner. 2. Any attractive quality. 3. Service freely rendered; good will. 4. The act of showing favor. 5. Clemency; mercy. 6. Theology. a. The love of God toward man. b. The divine influence operating in man."

Mine scribe, Druthea, watched with some amusement a "Christian" TV Minister on the yesterday. He was speaking about his perception of God's "Grace". He said words to the effect, "You need do NOTHING to receive God's Blessings and Grace". (Sounds a bit like the "just BE" philosophy of many New Agers, does it not?) "We humans believe we must "work" to earn God's Grace. This is NOT true. We must accept CHRIST as our Savior. HE has taken our burden for us." There is the catch; Christ has taken responsibility for YOU! Do you see how deceptive the adversary is? "God will take care of you. You need do nothing. You are not responsible. Christ is your Savior"...ad nauseam!

I am not YOUR savior. YOU are your Savior. And the good news is YOU will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION. It is really so simple, chelas. You see, GRACE also is a wondrous quality of EFFORTLESS GIVING AND REGIVING BY GOD!

WHAT ABOUT "MERCY"?
I will first define Mercy, "1. Kind or compassionate treatment of an adversary, prisoner, etc., in one's power. 2. A disposition to be kind, forgiving, or helpful. 3. The power to show mercy and compassion."

Remember this carefully, chelas, GOD is all-compassionate LOVE and MERCY. It is the adversary who seeks punishment and is absolutely merciless! You who have allowed yourselves to be ruled by the adversary WILL PUNISH SELF AND BLAME GOD EVERY TIME!

It is only a spiritually ignorant being who will seek punishment of self for perceived errors. Errors are EFFECTS of dis-eased thinking, NOT ever are errors caused from GOD-KNOWLEDGE. ONLY THROUGH THE MISUNDERSTANDING AND MISINTERPRETATION OF THE PHYSICALLY COMPRESSED SENSES AND BLIND DEFIANCE OF THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION ARE ERRORS CAUSED BY MAN.

YOU DESIRE GOD'S MERCY AND FORGIVENESS? THEN YOU MUST PETITION GOD WITHIN YOU TO GUIDE, PROTECT AND SUSTAIN YOU WITH LOVE AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE POWER OF YOUR WILL AND HIS WILL AS ONE!

God IS ALL-FORGIVING MERCY. So then, chelas, forgiveness and mercy must begin within SELF since that is where GOD resides.

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[BADecker]

I, 1aguar, would like for ALL to pay close attention to this quotation:

WHY PERSONAL INTEGRITY REQUIRES PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

[Sananda introduces self and the definitions of integrity and responsibility]

Integrity and responsibility are most delicately intertwined. To achieve utmost spiritual integrity, one must recognize and understand his responsibilities; first to God/Aton/Creator Within and also to the rest of the lifeforce expression within the Creation. In order to become a spiritually conscious co-creator with God/Aton, one must become ONE with living the Cosmic Laws of God /Creation. One must realize his accountability to the Great Spirit within Him. He must become impeccable (free from error, fault, or flaw) regarding adherence to Cosmic Law. And to gain cosmic power, he must become spiritually complete, unimpaired and sound of character, which is the state of being called integrity.

Now in order to become impeccable in your integrity, one must BE responsible by listening to Spirit within about "right" and "wrong"--or as I prefer to call it balanced or unbalanced--thinking and behavior. Each of you have the KNOWLEDGE within with which to be responsible in every thought, word and deed. You need only LISTEN carefully and ask God/Aton within to help you recognize your error, instantly when you make one. It may not always be pleasant to become instantly accountable for your misdeed or misthoughts, but if you pay careful attention, you will find that you will seldom if ever repeat the same error. You will find that the careful attention to and recognition of your inner guidance, instantly, is well worth the temporary inconvenience or discomfort to your "altered" ego.

So by requesting God/Aton within to show you the error, immediately, He will also show you the balanced thought action or deed with which to reclaim your impeccability of Spirit. Why can it be seemingly so easy to recognize errors?

Because, chelas, you ones have made essentially THE SAME errors over and over again. Lifetime after lifetime now you have chosen to be irresponsible and remain spiritually ignorant. You already KNOW and can distinguish between that which is balanced and unbalanced thought and behavior; you simply have forgotten you KNOW.

When you separated yourself from the Great Spirit within you, which fully contained your being as far as perfect guidance and knowledge, you became spiritually powerless. When you worshipped in separateness from THE ONE and therefore sought OUTSIDE your being for guidance, you DENIED the Spirit within YOU its full creative potential. And because you felt no longer responsible for that which you manifested, you became your own slaves to the physical illusion. By your self-denial you created leaders over you who would support your "belief" in separation from Creator, and thus you developed tremendous attachment to physical matter. This accounts for the same developed attachment to EGO-separate illusion.

To achieve Spiritual integrity you are required to BE responsible and acceptable for the effects of your thoughts, words and deeds. In order to be responsible, you must UNDERSTAND and adhere to The Cosmic Laws of that Balance. You must seek ONENESS and see UNITY with all, NOT separation, inferiority or superiority to anyone or anything. You must become impeccable in your intent to serve God and The Creation. You must recognize only ONE WILL, the Will of THE ONE, Creator/Creation. Then you will gain the Spiritual integrity of CHRIST perfection and with that your Power within will become Magnificent.

Remember when I, Sananda, walked as man upon your place I told you, "These things I do, YOU will do GREATER". So be it and it is coming to pass, chelas.

I would like to requote something for you to ponder from our beloved St. Germain: "Your personal power is in direct proportion to the integrity of your soul". This one sentence says it all, chelas. Ponder these things most carefully that you hear Spirit to Spirit and not Spirit to ego illusion. This "time", my brethren, is the "hour" of the dawning of YOUR spiritual awakening. How the Angels Glory in Heaven REJOICE; for earth human is preparing for the celebration of ONENESS and BROTHERHOOD within GOD'S HOLY Kingdom of LIGHT!

Only Man through his adversarial/primitive misdirection chooses to take from nature without regard for balance and harmony of ALL within Creation.

The resounding EFFECTS of Earth Man's adversarial TAKING behavior is clearly represented upon your plane at this time...although Man has only just begun to realize HIMSELF as the CAUSE of this unbalance.

It is always a struggle to take, even if it is only perception of physical "things", simply because the soul is left empty, for your immortal soul is not enriched and replenished through "taking" of life and physical conquering of another or Nature.

Only through KNOWLEDGE of giving of self, without emotional strings attached, will your immortal soul be lifted from earth physical attachment and compression.

WHAT IS "NO STRINGS ATTACHED" GIVING?

In order to give effortlessly, the knowledge has been gained that it is one's expression of God Divine LOVE which is ultimately being given. The fulfillment of true ego-selfless giving is immediate and not dependent upon perceived physical acceptance of same by the receiver. Although one who is a selfless giver will also be a most gracious receiver of returned LOVE to himself.

Are you beginning to understand, precious chelas? God working through you will ALWAYS BE FULFILLING YOU through His giving and regiving of LOVE.

You ones have no idea how often ones of us who work closely with you, want to DO something more than COSMIC LAW will allow us to do. Many ones of us have petitioned to GOD and He clearly has defined that which we may and may not do to remain in His service. The difference between us, of higher experience, and you of Earth physical compression, is that WE KNOW THE LAWS OF GOD AND CREATION and our Spiritual Integrity of SERVICE TO THE HIGHEST ONE will not allow us to break THE LAWS.

Just as a parent with a child who is stumbling and learning to walk feels compassion for his child who he knows must do it on his own with only loving guidance, we too must observe and guide you ones without interfering and DOING it for you, for then we only serve ourselves in our impatience to "hurry" along your growth. The progress of your growth, however "long" it takes, is between YOU and GOD. Interfering in that process is FORCE and FORCE is not of GOD/ATON!

ALLOWING FORCE IS NOT OF GOD

So you may be thinking, "What about the Adversary?" The Adversary definitely seems to "force" his way into domination. DOES THE ADVERSARY REALLY "FORCE"? Think about this, chelas.

The adversary definitely lies, cheats, and intimidates, but does he force his way into existence here. The adversary can kill the body physical to further its means. So where does the adversary get its power? The answer, chelas, is from YOU! You have "allowed" the adversary to intimidate you, and when you became "afraid", you gave the adversary your GOD-POWER. He controls you though your perceived "separation" from God. And the only reason you are still upon this 3rd dimensional plane is because you have BELIEVED THE LIES AND DECEPTIONS OF THE ADVERSARY WHILE YOUR GOD-GIFTED SOUL HAS PINED AWAY FOR RE-UNIFICATION WITH THE ONE, GOD/ATON.

The question now is to self. "Are you ready to release the adversary?" If so, then ALL of your TRUST and FAITH must be directed toward GOD who exists within YOU. Therein will your freedom from the bondage of limited physical adversarial perception be earned. Did you read that clearly? YOU WILL EARN YOUR SPIRITUAL UNITY BY ACCESSING THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD WITHIN YOU. And your "proof" will be forthcoming through FAITH and the return of your free-will to God. For your "proof "of God's existence and "coming" will be revealed WITHIN YOU! FOR THERE IS WHERE EXISTS THE KINGDOM OF GOD…WITHIN YOU!!

SO WHAT ABOUT "GRACE" GIVEN OF GOD?
Grace is the quality of God of Giving and Regiving Love. Let us define Grace, "1. Beauty or harmony of motion, form or manner. 2. Any attractive quality. 3. Service freely rendered; good will. 4. The act of showing favor. 5. Clemency; mercy. 6. Theology. a. The love of God toward man. b. The divine influence operating in man."

Mine scribe, Druthea, watched with some amusement a "Christian" TV Minister on the yesterday. He was speaking about his perception of God's "Grace". He said words to the effect, "You need do NOTHING to receive God's Blessings and Grace". (Sounds a bit like the "just BE" philosophy of many New Agers, does it not?) "We humans believe we must "work" to earn God's Grace. This is NOT true. We must accept CHRIST as our Savior. HE has taken our burden for us." There is the catch; Christ has taken responsibility for YOU! Do you see how deceptive the adversary is? "God will take care of you. You need do nothing. You are not responsible. Christ is your Savior"...ad nauseam!

I am not YOUR savior. YOU are your Savior. And the good news is YOU will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION. It is really so simple, chelas. You see, GRACE also is a wondrous quality of EFFORTLESS GIVING AND REGIVING BY GOD!

WHAT ABOUT "MERCY"?
I will first define Mercy, "1. Kind or compassionate treatment of an adversary, prisoner, etc., in one's power. 2. A disposition to be kind, forgiving, or helpful. 3. The power to show mercy and compassion."

Remember this carefully, chelas, GOD is all-compassionate LOVE and MERCY. It is the adversary who seeks punishment and is absolutely merciless! You who have allowed yourselves to be ruled by the adversary WILL PUNISH SELF AND BLAME GOD EVERY TIME!

It is only a spiritually ignorant being who will seek punishment of self for perceived errors. Errors are EFFECTS of dis-eased thinking, NOT ever are errors caused from GOD-KNOWLEDGE. ONLY THROUGH THE MISUNDERSTANDING AND MISINTERPRETATION OF THE PHYSICALLY COMPRESSED SENSES AND BLIND DEFIANCE OF THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION ARE ERRORS CAUSED BY MAN.

YOU DESIRE GOD'S MERCY AND FORGIVENESS? THEN YOU MUST PETITION GOD WITHIN YOU TO GUIDE, PROTECT AND SUSTAIN YOU WITH LOVE AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE POWER OF YOUR WILL AND HIS WILL AS ONE!

God IS ALL-FORGIVING MERCY. So then, chelas, forgiveness and mercy must begin within SELF since that is where GOD resides.

http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/j032/

Jesus would ask you why you keep on casting your pearls before the swine.

[BCEmporium]

1aguar;

That 1 out of millions claim to recall past lives, is crap! If that would be possible then 1 out millions WOULDN'T.
Being 1 liar out of millions makes it easy; nobody can confirm his claims. To be useful then most of us would recall it (taken there's more people in the World now than ever before, a bug chunk must be wearing a brand new shiny soul and would have nothing to recall) and we could cross references to easily check it out...
But bottom line is: we don't.

[1aguar]

BCEmporium,
In common parlance, "rational" means that one can think clearly and is capable of intelligently assessing new ideas when presented.
I have not seen any rational response from you; in my response to your post, I allege that you: 1) ignore the many lines of evidence supporting survival, 2) propose an explanation that is not in line with observations, 3) make a non-sequitor and an argument from ignorance, 4) again fail to propose a hypothesis that fits the evidence.

That 1 out of millions claim to recall past lives, is crap! If that would be possible then 1 out millions WOULDN'T.

Not true; in India it is something like 1 in 500 children who allege the recall; you simply made up the figure of 1 million. And it does not matter how many people recall their past lives, the fact is that the survival hypothesis is supported by many lines of evidence, and you cannot even begin to refute the 52 points I made.

Being 1 liar out of millions makes it easy; nobody can confirm his claims.

Again you are misinformed because many cases are described wherein facts are confirmed with astonishing accuracy and fraud (lying) is ruled out as a possible explanation. You can look at the cases mentioned by Stevenson, Eisenbeiss, Pam Reynolds, and Parnia (of the AWARE study) for a start. The experimental controls preclude you from claiming that all of these cases are "made-up", similarly you cannot use fraud as a one-size-fits-all explanation either.

To be useful then most of us would recall it

Here we are discussing the evidence for the survival hypothesis, which is very strong and consists of 52 points; that hypothesis is totally independent of whether or not recall of past lives is 'useful'. Your argument is a non-sequitor. You are simply saying that you don't understand God, so therefore...

(taken there's more people in the World now than ever before, a bug chunk must be wearing a brand new shiny soul and would have nothing to recall)

Another non-sequitor; the fact is that some personalities survive some of the time. How can a materialist explain NDE? Apparently it is so hard that not one atheist in this thread has been able to do so in a rational manner. I suspect this is another argument from ignorance.

and we could cross references to easily check it out...
But bottom line is: we don't.

It doesn't matter if ONE or EVERYONE has a certain experience, just the having of the experience is proof that the experience happened, i.e. that it happens some of the time. You still claim that this is an illusory, made-up experience when the evidence of point #52 and others shows that you are totally wrong. Why not propose a hypothesis that fits the observations?

[Hugroll]

I really doubt there is any scientific proof to describe god existence.

Who need proofs about unicorn or flying spaghetti monster?

Absurd things like that don't need proof to be proven right, they need proof to be proven wrong. Unicorns are real I'm telling Ya

[1aguar]

Jesus would ask you why you keep on casting your pearls before the swine.

May you be given into understanding and sharing of TRUTH for I believe that you have said it ALL.

Stop it--I weary of your picking and poking over things which are absurd. If your name is George Hornblower and it is changed by someone named Paul, does it mean you are no longer George Hornblower? Saul of Tarsus labeled my being Jesus AFTER I was no longer in the "Holy Land". Moreover, the one Paul, who thought better to call himself that than remain with Saul (of Tarsus), probably because he feared the tar and feathers, did-in the Christian "movement". With friends like "Paul the Apostle" I certainly needed no enemies. If you don't believe me, especially you women who seek equal rights, read the edicts he handed down in My name. Paul was no friend of mine; he was one of your first REAL "mattoids". Esu here to continue our reconstruction of Truth.

[BCEmporium]

In India, where people is more akin to believe on reincarnation, 1:500 recalls past lives... likewise on Catholic countries 1:500 claims to had some sort of miracle, but none even thinks of a previous life to start with.

My hypothesis to this is rather simple: the power of suggestion.
As I said early, no Jesus appears to Muslims as no Muhammad appears to Christians.

[1aguar]

In India, where people is more akin to believe on reincarnation, 1:500 recalls past lives... likewise on Catholic countries 1:500 claims to had some sort of miracle, but none even thinks of a previous life to start with.

Again you are wrong; this experience is universal just like NDE; you can reference "European Cases of the Reincarnation Type"...

My hypothesis to this is rather simple: the power of suggestion.

OK, how will you use suggestion to explain the results of the AWARE study, the Eisenbeiss case, and the fact that scientific discoveries have been brought back by people having an NDE?

As I said early, no Jesus appears to Muslims as no Muhammad appears to Christians.

Not only is that a non-sequitor, it is also FALSE; here, we are discussing the survival hypothesis!

I can see that you did not read very many of my 52 points, or else you would have seen that NDE happens to everyone.

"Regardless of their prior attitudes - whether skeptical or deeply religious - and regardless of the many variations in religious beliefs and degrees of skepticism from tolerant disbelief to outspoken atheism - most of these people were convinced that they had been in the presence of some supreme and loving power and had a glimpse of a life yet to come."
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a29

"No matter what the nature of the NDE, it alters lives. Alcoholics find themselves unable to imbibe. Hardened criminals opt for a life of helping others. Atheists embrace the existence of a deity, while dogmatic members of a particular religion report 'feeling welcome in any church or temple or mosque.'"
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a31

Atheists have deathbed experiences and near-death experiences just like everyone else does. The philosophy of Positivism, founded by the famous atheist named A. J. Ayer, is the philosophy that anything not verifiable by the senses is nonsense. Because NDEs mark the end of the senses, Positivists believe the survival of the senses after death is nonsense. But this philosophy has been challenged by its founder A. J. Ayer himself. Later in life, Ayer had an NDE where he saw a red light. Ayer's NDE made him a changed man: "My recent experiences, have slightly weakened my conviction that my genuine death ... will be the end of me, though I continue to hope that it will be." (Ayer, 1988 a,b) (Read more about it from an article in the National Post and an article by Gerry Lougrhan: Can there be life after life? Ask the atheist! (by Gerry Lougrhan, Letter From London, March 18, 2001.)
http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a50

[BCEmporium]

But why in hell would that would add something to survival?!
There is no limited stock of souls.

[1aguar]

But why in hell would that would add something to survival?!
There is no limited stock of souls.

I have trouble understanding you...

I want to remind you that the survival hypothesis is rather simple: Some part of the personality "survives" upon death of the physical body.

These 52 points, along with the AWARE study, the Eisenbeiss case, and other lines of evidence are most easily explained by the survival hypothesis. The hypothesis is so powerful that it is a sufficient explanation all by itself; a hypothesis about the purpose or mechanism is not necessary to explain the data.

Therefore, philosophical materialism and humanism have been proven false on empirical grounds; these theories are insufficient, and like I said: The idea that "you only live once", i.e. the basis of humanism, has been falsified.

It is easy to prove that God exists once the idea that "you only live once" is rejected.

[Vod]

There is no limited stock of souls.

So you are saying there is an unlimited stock of souls?

Well, if there are an unlimited amount, that would make each one worthless, wouldn't it?

[1aguar]

There is no limited stock of souls.

So you are saying there is an unlimited stock of souls?

Well, if there are an unlimited amount, that would make each one worthless, wouldn't it?

Who are you to judge the value of a soul?

Do you think that Man is the founder and guarantor of knowledge? Is that why you think that you can make such a judgment?

If so, then you are mistaken! In fact, all humanists are mistaken; the weight of the evidence shows that humanism is false.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.5300

[BCEmporium]

1aguar,

To "survive" is much more than just re-implant your soul somewhere else. To survive requires that your basic functions, namely your brain functions, to be still functional. Hardly you can say that someone in the terminal stages of Alzheimer disease or in vegetation is "alive", to best it "still breath".
I know that humans always had issues with death and never got convinced on why it happens; well, it's needed for development of the species and Nature doesn't give a damn if you like it or not. Anyway, with or without reincarnation when that big orange ball in the sky turns red and explodes we will go for good.
If believing on reincarnation makes you feel good... well... good for you, keep on it.

But, btw, if someone with Alzheimer dies, then what use will have their soul, taken they lost awareness of reality prior to die?

Vod,

IDK, seams some guy named Devil is buying them, but IDK at which market or rate!

[Vod]

Who are you to judge the value of a soul?

Wouldn't it be like anything else - more valuable as it becomes scarce?  If there are an unlimited number of something, then it's not valuable at all.

[cjmoles]

Qualifier: New to this discussion

First, what definition of God are we beginning this discussion to argue?  All good proofs begin with an agreed upon definition, develop with sound reasoning, and conclude with what necessarily follows.  Right?  So, what is the agreed upon definition of God here?  Creator? Omnipotent? Omnipresent? Living? Natural? Physical? Spiritual...etc

Hint: The simpler the definition, the more likely it is to find an affirmative proof.

Example: Definition-God is life.

Proof:        God is life.
                 Life exists.
                 Therefore, God exists.
                    

[BCEmporium]

Wouldn't it be like anything else - more valuable as it becomes scarce?  If there are an unlimited number of something, then it's not valuable at all.

Not everything, everything with demand. Small pox is scarce now, yet has no market value because nobody wants it.
Then we would have to go by analysis of liquidity. If the market for a scarce good is too small, regardless the value will be hard to cash out.  

[1aguar]

To "survive" is much more than just re-implant your soul somewhere else. To survive requires that your basic functions, namely your brain functions, to be still functional. Hardly you can say that someone in the terminal stages of Alzheimer disease or in vegetation is "alive", to best it "still breath".

You are confusing survival in terms of bodily functions with the "survival hypothesis", which is the best explanation for the evidence and is defined as "Some part of the personality 'survives' upon death of the physical body."

I know that humans always had issues with death and never got convinced on why it happens; well, it's needed for development of the species and Nature doesn't give a damn if you like it or not.

OK, death is how nature renews itself; no argument there. However, the survival hypothesis has been proven without a doubt, so it is not certain that all personalities will die along with the body.

Anyway, with or without reincarnation when that big orange ball in the sky turns red and explodes we will go for good.

How is that relevant to me today? And what if I have earned my way aboard God's spaceship???

If believing on reincarnation makes you feel good... well... good for you, keep on it.

If you disbelieve the survival hypothesis, then what is your alternative explanation for all of the evidence that I posted?

But, btw, if someone with Alzheimer dies, then what use will have their soul, taken they lost awareness of reality prior to die?

For anyone who dies, it is possible that "some part of the personality 'survives' after the death of the physical body". The evidence points strongly in favor of the survival hypothesis, but we do not know the details about life and death.
This kind of question (about Alzheimer's) is not relevant to our discussion of the survival hypothesis. You are talking about purpose and it is not necessary to bring that into a discussion of the evidence in favor of the survival hypothesis. First you have to understand and accept the survival hypothesis, then by careful study of the evidence you can form your own hypothesis regarding purpose, mechanism, etc.

[1aguar]

Qualifier: New to this discussion

First, what definition of God are we beginning this discussion to argue?  All good proofs begin with an agreed upon definition, develop with sound reasoning, and conclude with what necessarily follows.  Right?  So, what is the agreed upon definition of God here?  Creator? Omnipotent? Omnipresent? Living? Natural? Physical? Spiritual...etc

Hint: The simpler the definition, the more likely it is to find an affirmative proof.

Example: Definition-God is life.

Proof:        God is life.
                 Life exists.
                 Therefore, God exists.
                    

My definition:
A supreme being who is the founder and guarantor of knowledge.
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