Scientific proof that God exists?

[Pachacouti]

^^^ As you stated, nobody can prove the existence or non-existence of God by not proving it.

Keep on talking in muddled ways about junk that doesn't really exist, and you will only prove how muddled your thinking is.

Says the baby sacrificer that hopes jesus will destroy this galaxy, create another, and save him, without explaining where they go while the new one is being created.

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Says the Bible, which is the Word of God.

Nobody can explain anything that is outside of the universe. Outside is so different that the word "different" doesn't have any meaning. If it were in the least bit understandable, it would be part of the universe, and not outside it.

    

Speak for yourself BADecker, speak for yourself.

I would like to know, where is the, wait for it, I'll call it a 'safe zone' - that you hope to be waiting in when this universe is destroyed, in order for you to be reborn into your wonderfull new universe, where is it?

No-one can describe it?

So God created everything, including nothing, yet Jesus went to prepare a place for you? Aren't you already there in your upside down inside out universe, you know, the one described in a plethora of masonic book's, and oh, wait for it, repeated truth time, also being described in a plethora of soon to be released movies? Oh, some have been released already, all describing the mental universe according to the baby sacrificers, isn't this 'that' place jesus prepared for you? I mean if it is not, then where is the space to prepare such a place, and again, where is all the material coming from... Ah, the recycled universe we currently reside in, but tell me, who stuck the swords in the face of god?

Oh my, this opens up a new universe, one that cannot be described? Well, there is steel for sure. There is an anvil. There are hands to work steel. And there are hands strong and big enough to stick at least three swords into gods face, correct?

Now who stabbed god, and why?

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[BADecker]

^^^ As you stated, nobody can prove the existence or non-existence of God by not proving it.

Keep on talking in muddled ways about junk that doesn't really exist, and you will only prove how muddled your thinking is.

Says the baby sacrificer that hopes jesus will destroy this galaxy, create another, and save him, without explaining where they go while the new one is being created.

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Says the Bible, which is the Word of God.

Nobody can explain anything that is outside of the universe. Outside is so different that the word "different" doesn't have any meaning. If it were in the least bit understandable, it would be part of the universe, and not outside it.

    

Speak for yourself BADecker, speak for yourself. - What does that even mean? God tells us that as high as the heavens are above the earth, so are his ways above our ways. You can't have more understanding about God than God wants you to have. Nor can I.

I would like to know, where is the, wait for it, I'll call it a 'safe zone' - that you hope to be waiting in when this universe is destroyed, in order for you to be reborn into your wonderfull new universe, where is it? - Ephesians tells us that Jesus was raised higher than the heavens to fill the whole universe. In other words, those of us who are in Him might be anywhere within the universe... wherever He determines. You can also find that we are in Him (Jesus) and that He is in God (the Father).

No-one can describe it? - So, again. How do you describe something that includes the far reaches of the universe? As you indicate, nobody can describe it in words in this life. And few people can even visualize it in dreams or visions.

So God created everything, including nothing, yet Jesus went to prepare a place for you? - Find the place in the NT where Jesus says that with God, nothing shall be impossible. You might realize that there isn't any nothing. But if you can't figure out how such a thing as there being no nothing can work, how are you ever going to understand God Who is as high as the heavens are above the earth? Aren't you already there in your upside down inside out universe, you know, the one described in a plethora of masonic book's, and oh, wait for it, repeated truth time, also being described in a plethora of soon to be released movies? - In Proverbs, Solomon tells us that we are supposed to do whatever we find to do, with our strength. This came to him from God, Who does the same. God made the universe with His strength. Even God doesn't thwart God. So, the universe still exists. Oh, some have been released already, all describing the mental universe according to the baby sacrificers, isn't this 'that' place jesus prepared for you? - Your clarity is lacking. God is entirely against baby sacrificers. But He offers a space of time for most people to repent... even baby sacrificers. That's what God is looking for, repentance. Repentance includes a changing of the belief and of the ways.

When are you going to repent of being against God? He is giving you time. But if you don't, He will even lighten your request for sentencing, your request for punishment in Hell. Turn while you have a chance. Repent. I mean if it is not, then where is the space to prepare such a place, and again, where is all the material coming from... Ah, the recycled universe we currently reside in, but tell me, who stuck the swords in the face of god? - Please clarify what you mean. You are simply stating something you seem to believe in, without explaining enough that somebody might know what you are talking about.

Oh my, this opens up a new universe, one that cannot be described? Well, there is steel for sure. There is an anvil. There are hands to work steel. And there are hands strong and big enough to stick at least three swords into gods face, correct? - You're going off the deep end with your blabber. If you have something to say that is logical, figure out what it is, and then say it logically. You are getting some nonsensical things from whatever weed you are smoking. Of course they make sense to you, but nobody (except possibly Satan) follows you around in your head to understand what you are talking about.

Now who stabbed god, and why?

So, your drugged brain provided pictures of God being stabbed to you. Are you talking about when the soldier pierced Jesus with a spear, just to make sure He was really dead on the cross? Remember. He was dead. The witnesses to the piercing stated that. But He arose from the dead on the third day. He is alive forever and forever. And in His ascension 40 days later, He was raised higher than the heavens to fill the whole universe.

[kay-cee]

[BADecker]

^^^ Anybody can have opinions about God or no God. But they have to be a little more scientifically directed if they are going to be scientific proof. Things like the above are simply rants.

[kay-cee]

^^^ Anybody can have opinions about God or no God. But they have to be a little more scientifically directed if they are going to be scientific proof. Things like the above are simply rants.

I agree, religious people can only rant about it and have their own opinion, they can't have scientific or any kind of proof since he doesn't exist.

[bitterguy28]

Just for the sake of curiosity , Why does the Author of this thread seems to be not interested in the discussion anymore ?

Does the proof are bot complete or He Starts to accept another fact from what he use to believe ?

I'm interested in His latest comment since this thread has been running for 7 years now

[BADecker]

To move back into science, the below article. However, before we get to the article, when God created the heavens and the earth, the Earth consisted of one chunk of all the material. Mars could easily have had water at one time, because all material "out there" comes from day #2 of the creation. Genesis 1:6-8:

6And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

The idea that Mars might have been habitable at one time, is justified in the point that all material was once part of the earth... back in the beginning, before day #2. Scientists try to guess about the way it happened, but if they guessed based on what the Bible says, they might even find science that approximated the truth.


Study: Mars was once habitable; atmosphere likely formed through the same process as Earth’s

A tantalizing new study published in the journal Nature Astronomy suggests that Mars might have been habitable before. Researchers from Hong Kong and China found that the Martian atmosphere might have evolved in the same way the Earth’s atmosphere did – it was once filled with toxic gases that warmed the planet, then a great oxidation event that was potentially fueled by photosynthetic organisms deposited oxygen into it.

Studying the Martian atmosphere

Earth went through a process called the “Great Oxidation Event” (GOE) two to three billions of years ago. The GOE gradually deposited enormous amounts of oxygen into the atmosphere, leading to the emergence of complex life forms.

Scientists agree that photosynthetic cyanobacteria were responsible for the GOE. These microorganisms existed millions of years before the event and managed to thrive despite Earth’s then “reduced” atmosphere, which was made up mostly of reduced gases like methane, ammonia and hydrogen sulfide. While humans would suffocate breathing these gases, cyanobacteria would be able to subsist on sulfides.

“On Earth, oxidation happened because of the evolution of oxygenic photosynthesis,” said Joseph Michalski, a professor of planetary science at the University of Hong Kong (HKU) and one of the study researchers.

Because of the GOE, Earth now has an oxidizing atmosphere that causes exposed rocks and compounds to rust. Mars also has an oxidizing atmosphere, which is the reason why the planet looks ruddy. But past studies showed little evidence that Mars was reduced before becoming oxidized.

Now, Michalski and his team suggest that the Martian atmosphere was likely reduced eons ago. They arrived at this conclusion after studying ancient rocks on the planet’s surface through remote sensing and examining data collected here on Earth. Their analysis showed that ancient Martian rocks exposed at the surface had been weathered under reducing conditions.

Mars might have been habitable before

[wiked1]

Can anyone show any scientific absolute proof God doesn't exist?

[BADecker]

Can anyone show any scientific absolute proof God doesn't exist?

Only if he is God.     

[eXPHorizon]

Lol how can you proove something that is smarter than us? Its funny to see a Dog trying to Catch its tail and never catching it tho.

Science is based on Codifiying and explaining to make it comprehensible for a Human Being. How do you explain something that is not codified or is infront of every move you make ?

The only proof we will ever have is if the Creator decides to showcase himself to us

Which does piss me off

[BADecker]

Lol how can you proove something that is smarter than us? Its funny to see a Dog trying to Catch its tail and never catching it tho.

Science is based on Codifiying and explaining to make it comprehensible for a Human Being. How do you explain something that is not codified or is infront of every move you make ?

The only proof we will ever have is if the Creator decides to showcase himself to us

Which does piss me off

Our personal identities, the part of us that says "I exist," and recognizes that we recognize this about ourselves, individually, is so complex that science doesn't have an answer to what this identity in all of us is.

Whatever made it in the distant past, must have been far greater than what our "I exist" is to have made it this way.

If somebody says that it just came together by accident - like evolution - science says that random mutations means that we don't know. Evolution is guesses that we don't know about... like a science fiction story.


Scientifically combine cause and effect with entropy with complexity, and there is no way life could exist without God... scientifically. Scientists aren't doing this, because they don't want to prove that God exists.

However, the universe is a machine that is made out of many machines. We use universe machines in all our machines. Machines have makers. We have never found a machine without a maker, even though we might not know who the maker is.

[odolvlobo]

Scientifically combine cause and effect with entropy with complexity, and there is no way life could exist without God... scientifically. Scientists aren't doing this, because they don't want to prove that God exists.

However, the universe is a machine that is made out of many machines. We use universe machines in all our machines. Machines have makers. We have never found a machine without a maker, even though we might not know who the maker is.

You keep repeating these over and over again because you can't admit to yourself that they are based on fallacies, and you hope that if you repeat them enough they will magically become true.

[BADecker]

Scientifically combine cause and effect with entropy with complexity, and there is no way life could exist without God... scientifically. Scientists aren't doing this, because they don't want to prove that God exists.

However, the universe is a machine that is made out of many machines. We use universe machines in all our machines. Machines have makers. We have never found a machine without a maker, even though we might not know who the maker is.

You keep repeating these over and over again because you can't admit to yourself that they are based on fallacies, and you hope that if you repeat them enough they will magically become true.

Lol. You keep repeating these things over and over again because you can't seem to figure out how to think beyond your beliefs... scientifically.

[Daniel91]

Just for the sake of curiosity , Why does the Author of this thread seems to be not interested in the discussion anymore ?

Does the proof are bot complete or He Starts to accept another fact from what he use to believe ?

I'm interested in His latest comment since this thread has been running for 7 years now

I'm still following this topic and I am still interested in the discussion but unfortunately a lot of the posts are of poor quality and without concrete arguments, which doesn’t inspire me too much.
None of the arguments presented here have shaken or altered my original belief that God exists and that this fact can be scientifically proven.

[kay-cee]

[BADecker]

^^^ That's why atheism is a religion. Atheists have faith in a whole bunch of things that they twist into what they want to hear and see, rather than what exists.

[kay-cee]

^^^ That's why atheism is a religion. Atheists have faith in a whole bunch of things that they twist into what they want to hear and see, rather than what exists.

You are just wrong, atheism is not a religion and religious people tend to have faith in a whole bunch of things that they twist into what they want to hear and see, rather than what exists.

[BADecker]

^^^ That's why atheism is a religion. Atheists have faith in a whole bunch of things that they twist into what they want to hear and see, rather than what exists.

You are just wrong, atheism is not a religion and religious people tend to have faith in a whole bunch of things that they twist into what they want to hear and see, rather than what exists.

Without getting into as big discussion of what atheism entails, generally atheism involves belief that there is no God. In general, atheists will state right off the top that God doesn't exist.

But all atheists know that they really don't know that God doesn't exist. How is that? They know it because they know that they haven't checked every place in the universe to see if God isn't there. And they know it because they know that they are acting as god when they say that God doesn't exist while at the same time knowing that they know that He might exist.

Since an atheist acts this way about his atheism, he has turned it into a religion... at least for himself.

[kay-cee]

We don't believe, that is for religious people, we know there is no god.

[BADecker]

We don't believe, that is for religious people, we know there is no god.

The only way somebody can be alive without believing, is to be God. Why? Because nobody really knows any of the future... not even a minute into the future. Or do you think that car accidents are something that people knew were going to happen, and were looking forward to? People would go crazy if they couldn't believe that good things awaited them rather than bad.

Just because you don't know that you believe throughout all of your life, rather than knowing for a fact, doesn't mean that you don't believe.

However, I don't want to take away your freedom to have a deluded mind, so I'll let you keep on thinking that you have traveled everywhere throughout the whole universe to check if God was there.