[XMR] Monero Speculation

[33bitcoin]

Probably best to dump Monero and but everything in BTC/ETH/GRIN at this point.

[Hueristic]

iCEBREAKER's guillotine:
Bitcoin Monopolist Maximalist Supremacists inevitably go off the rails and end up indistinguishable from Buttcoiners

Did Shelby get a hold of your account?

What does Anonymint have to do with a crypto-history lesson which starts a couple of years before his sign-up in 2013?  Was he in #bitcoin-asshats?  I do see one important point on that tangent, and modified our new heuristic accordingly.

Shelby was (is?) a Shelbycoin monopolist maximalist monotheist fundamentalist ideologue, and (in accordance with i.G.) inevitably went off the rails, ending up indistinguishable from Buttcoiners.

Who's next?  

Lol, your on a real roll today!

Probably best to dump Monero and but everything in BTC/ETH/GRIN at this point.

Who'd you scam?

[generalizethis]

iCEBREAKER's guillotine:
Bitcoin Monopolist Maximalist Supremacists inevitably go off the rails and end up indistinguishable from Buttcoiners

Did Shelby get a hold of your account?

What does Anonymint have to do with a crypto-history lesson which starts a couple of years before his sign-up in 2013?  Was he in #bitcoin-asshats?  I do see one important point on that tangent, and modified our new heuristic accordingly.

Shelby was (is?) a Shelbycoin monopolist maximalist monotheist fundamentalist ideologue, and (in accordance with i.G.) inevitably went off the rails, ending up indistinguishable from Buttcoiners.

Who's next? 

Shelby was very important in my life, after arguing with him for three days about the unlikelihood that the Denver Airport was a map to a global Zionist conspiracy, I coined the phrase "Inkblot Logic". He threatened to quit BCT, which lasted all of a day.

[iCEBREAKER]

Honestly I am staying the hell away from the Kovri drama. I've been wary of it for quite some time.

That is not meant as a comment either way about whether any action should or should not be taken. It is simply my position that until required by some sense of governance (such as the core team being called upon to weigh in on whether FFS milestones have been met), I will exercise my prerogative as an unpaid volunteer to not get involved with it and to work for a better Monero and a better world in other ways.

Could we compensate you to do (or maybe just supervise) a Kovri postmortem?

Your distance and neutrality (plus skillz) make you an ideal candidate for the thankless task.

I'd like to know about
-early red flags (doomed from the start?)
-aggravating factors (Seasonal Affective Disorder resulting from Crypto's Long Winter?)
-potential remedies we may have missed (can we learn from this?)
-do the FFS's accountability mechanisms work as intended or need improvement?

Write it up on Steem and I'll be sure to...oh wait that's never going to happen. 

[Globb0]

….and is the offer of resolution viable?

[Febo]

-do the FFS's accountability mechanisms work as intended or need improvement?

FFSs changed a lot and I believe are again in works to be changed. Now projects are split, so they cant last a year or more since value of Monero changes to much in such long period of time.

[Oleg88]

Monero is one of the best anonymous coins at the moment. She can compete only Verge. but popularity remains for Monero

[cAPSLOCK]

Shelby was very important in my life, after arguing with him for three days about the unlikelihood that the Denver Airport was a map to a global Zionist conspiracy, I coined the phrase "Inkblot Logic". He threatened to quit BCT, which lasted all of a day.

Wow... kudos.  That was a pretty long quit!

[cAPSLOCK]

Honestly I am staying the hell away from the Kovri drama. I've been wary of it for quite some time.

That is not meant as a comment either way about whether any action should or should not be taken. It is simply my position that until required by some sense of governance (such as the core team being called upon to weigh in on whether FFS milestones have been met), I will exercise my prerogative as an unpaid volunteer to not get involved with it and to work for a better Monero and a better world in other ways.

Could we compensate you to do (or maybe just supervise) a Kovri postmortem?

Your distance and neutrality (plus skillz) make you an ideal candidate for the thankless task.

I'd like to know about
-early red flags (doomed from the start?)
-aggravating factors (Seasonal Affective Disorder resulting from Crypto's Long Winter?)
-potential remedies we may have missed (can we learn from this?)
-do the FFS's accountability mechanisms work as intended or need improvement?

Write it up on Steem and I'll be sure to...oh wait that's never going to happen. 

Without any knowledge of the inner details, and just a cursory glance it seems fairly obvious to me that the failure of that project rest firmly on the shoulders of the person leading it.  Either he does not know how to manage a project as complex as that one is destined to become, or he does not have the chops to pull it off.  The whole drama aspect looks like smokescreen to me...  and I imagine he is fooling himself at least as well as anyone else with the choreography of his exit.

Like I said, I have no idea what I am talking about specifically.   But I ran a business for nearly 20 years...  And you get to know what sorts of personalities end up with which sorts of circumstances.  Just an educated guess.

Is Kovri still a good idea?  Do we start over completely?  Or do we try to save something from the ashes of this "attempt"?

Those are the questions that need to be asked.

One other reality is this does put some hurt on the FFS.  At least in the short term.  People will be less willing to throw money at shiny things.  But maybe this is kinda good?

[dEBRUYNE]

Honestly I am staying the hell away from the Kovri drama. I've been wary of it for quite some time.

That is not meant as a comment either way about whether any action should or should not be taken. It is simply my position that until required by some sense of governance (such as the core team being called upon to weigh in on whether FFS milestones have been met), I will exercise my prerogative as an unpaid volunteer to not get involved with it and to work for a better Monero and a better world in other ways.

Could we compensate you to do (or maybe just supervise) a Kovri postmortem?

Your distance and neutrality (plus skillz) make you an ideal candidate for the thankless task.

I'd like to know about
-early red flags (doomed from the start?)
-aggravating factors (Seasonal Affective Disorder resulting from Crypto's Long Winter?)
-potential remedies we may have missed (can we learn from this?)
-do the FFS's accountability mechanisms work as intended or need improvement?

Write it up on Steem and I'll be sure to...oh wait that's never going to happen. 

Without any knowledge of the inner details, and just a cursory glance it seems fairly obvious to me that the failure of that project rest firmly on the shoulders of the person leading it.  Either he does not know how to manage a project as complex as that one is destined to become, or he does not have the chops to pull it off.  The whole drama aspect looks like smokescreen to me...  and I imagine he is fooling himself at least as well as anyone else with the choreography of his exit.

Like I said, I have no idea what I am talking about specifically.   But I ran a business for nearly 20 years...  And you get to know what sorts of personalities end up with which sorts of circumstances.  Just an educated guess.

Is Kovri still a good idea?  Do we start over completely?  Or do we try to save something from the ashes of this "attempt"?

Those are the questions that need to be asked.

One other reality is this does put some hurt on the FFS.  At least in the short term.  People will be less willing to throw money at shiny things.  But maybe this is kinda good?

In case you hadn't seen it yet, knaccc has developed an I2P-zero GUI, which can be ran alongside the Monero software and would thus allow a user to easily broadcast transactions over I2P.

https://github.com/knaccc/i2p-zero/blob/master/README.md

https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/5070#issuecomment-458283539

[joroz]

In case you hadn't seen it yet, knaccc has developed an I2P-zero GUI, which can be ran alongside the Monero software and would thus allow a user to easily broadcast transactions over I2P.

https://github.com/knaccc/i2p-zero/blob/master/README.md

https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/5070#issuecomment-458283539

So what took him-who-shall-remain-nameless 2 years to never complete, was done in 2 weeks by knacc? If this isn't a clear example of anchoring, I don't know what is.

Let’s say a project is expected to terminate in 79 days, the same expectation in days as the newborn female has in years. On the 79th day, if the project is not finished, it will be expected to take another 25 days to complete. But on the 90th day, if the project is still not completed, it should have about 58 days to go. On the 100th, it should have 89 days to go. On the 119th, it should have an extra 149 days. On day 600, if the project is not done, you will be expected to need an extra 1,590 days. As you see, the longer you wait, the longer you will be expected to wait.

[smooth]

@joroz That's not quite the right take.

The Java platform features that knaccc is using to streamline the deployment (and expected to streamline it further later this year) either didn't exist or were not in their current state of maturity two years ago. So some of the "progress" was achieved not solely by knaccc's "two weeks" but due to the passage of two years of time, and the work of Java developers over those past two years. Much as I respect and appreciate the work, knaccc alone did not accomplish the "task" in "two weeks".

(It is also not yet a fully-integrated i2p+Monero solution that kovri was at least attempting to accomplish. Whether it will get there remains to be seen but it certainly looks more promising.)

[Globb0]

What about his offer to pivot to something else?

[Hueristic]

Lets not forget that Java platform is inherently insecure unless something has changed in my time out of the field.

[jwinterm]

Lets not forget that Java platform is inherently insecure unless something has changed in my time out of the field.

I believe that this is using the openjdk version, which is fully open source.

[equipoise]

Chainalysis: "@monero is our top priority" - https://threader.app/thread/1091010633657659395
Bullish?

[KeyJockey]

Chainalysis: "@monero is our top priority" - https://threader.app/thread/1091010633657659395

Do these guys Chain-ANAL whatever really have a chance at this -OR- they just frontin’ & stuntin’ here?

LOLz  

[Globb0]

Chainalysis: "@monero is our top priority" - https://threader.app/thread/1091010633657659395
Bullish?

hmm

"8/ They are showing a demo of a DNM that's advertising MyMonero as its main way of paying, which of course can deanonymize any transaction of theirs due to they have access to everything, since it's a web wallet. (Except their IP if they're over Tor.) "

That's just bunkem right?  "of course"





This one is cooler, specifically mentions cryptonote as being the problem they need more money for...

info and disinfo all in one document

https://twitter.com/100trillionUSD/status/1091114863441727488

[tokeweed]

^  'Additional funds requested should be paid in Monero.  We need to start R&D as soon as we recieve the XMR as we don't wanna waste too much time. 

Thank you, thank you very much.'

[Hueristic]

https://blockmanity.com/news/only-4-3-of-all-monero-xmr-was-mined-by-malware-bots-according-to-study/

Blockmanity’s Take

Privacy based Cryptocurrencies like Monero have gotten a bad rep from media for its usage by criminals, but the study shows that only a small percentage of Monero is actually being mined by criminals. Even with Cryptocurrencies like Zcash which provides privacy as optionality, less than 15% of transactions are actually private.

The Ethos of privacy Cryptocurrencies is to provide fungibility and basic privacy for individuals which happen to be a human right. But the focus of the discussion always revolves around the minority percentage of users using it for illicit purposes.