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[dance191]

Just throwing out an idea out there...

Is it possible that some bug has been introduced into the system in the last 2 weeks or so?  Is there anything that changed about 2 weeks ago?

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CKDB also checks every share that CKPool gets and also reports on the console shares within 5% of being a block, no matter what error state they have.
2 independent programs and pieces of code doing the checks.

So if, completely unexpectedly, CKPool didn't recognise a share that was block worthy, it would still show up in CKDB on the console.
I also have a command to check the console logs for them that I run every so often to see if we are finding 'near misses'.
The last near miss was:

Code:

[2016-05-04 13:18:20.627+10] Share ok Diff 95.1% (169849029387/178659257772.5) --- Pool 251079832299.0 251G 140.54%

There are of course other scenarios if say a share got lost and never made it to CKDB, but even then CKDB tracks that also.
Each message generated to be sent to CKDB from CKPool has 2 sequence numbers, one for all messages and one for each message type.
These are checked in CKDB also and reported if any are ever missing. They actually go through 3 stages that are all reported, if a number is out of sequence for more than a few seconds. Transient, Missing, Lost.
That's the code that caused me some trouble with the threading changes that I finally fixed.
Yeah it's a little complicated

Of course all code has bugs, and indeed there are some rather unexpected ways shares could be lost, but of course that exists in any system, and I go to a lot of effort in CKDB to detect anything missing.

It sounds like you are 100% on it

I have been around long enough (I first started programming on a TSR-80, when I was a little kid, like you been a fan of RedHat since the late 90's (however, I am more of a Ubuntu guy now though), etc) to recognize that things can get very complicated.  Sometimes, when you start seeing different results it is worth a double check that nothing has changed, that is all...  Thanks for entertaining the thought, I know we are in good hands

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[not.you]

I agree , quoting Newton's Third Law here is just pretty... Umm.... ... Let's just say 'wrong' and unrelated, to stay civil.  

On that note, I had to pull my stuff off here as I was already a lot in the hole. Sorry guyz..  

I stuck it out with the bad luck and long blocks in the past, but almost a week's worth hurt enough to buy a used car, so I had to go (Not a BMW, but still).

If things get back to normal I'll hook back up here.

Good luck you guys (and gals).

So on the one hand you discount the idea that past luck determines future luck and on the other hand you move your miners due to bad luck?  Do you by any chance detect any cognitive dissonance happening in your mind?

You seriously just asked that? Please read my other posts and support for this pool and then make a proper comment will ya?

Unless your losses are in the thousands, no input from the peanut gallery, thank you.

Oh I apologize your majesty.  I didn't realize what a big deal you are.  I guess when you get to be a big enough deal you can proclaim a belief while acting in direct opposition to it without any mental calisthenics.  Reminds me of a certain someone running for president of the U.S. actually...

[Sierra8561]

I agree , quoting Newton's Third Law here is just pretty... Umm.... ... Let's just say 'wrong' and unrelated, to stay civil.  

On that note, I had to pull my stuff off here as I was already a lot in the hole. Sorry guyz..  

I stuck it out with the bad luck and long blocks in the past, but almost a week's worth hurt enough to buy a used car, so I had to go (Not a BMW, but still).

If things get back to normal I'll hook back up here.

Good luck you guys (and gals).

So on the one hand you discount the idea that past luck determines future luck and on the other hand you move your miners due to bad luck?  Do you by any chance detect any cognitive dissonance happening in your mind?

You seriously just asked that? Please read my other posts and support for this pool and then make a proper comment will ya?

Unless your losses are in the thousands, no input from the peanut gallery, thank you.

Oh I apologize your majesty.  I didn't realize what a big deal you are.  I guess when you get to be a big enough deal you can proclaim a belief while acting in direct opposition to it without any mental calisthenics.  Reminds me of a certain someone running for president of the U.S. actually...

Two things that should never be brought into bitcoin, blockchain or this forum are religion and politics lol.

[kano]

In case there's more to come on the above argument, I'll end it here and delete any more attempts by either side to belittle each other.

Firstly not.you is correct regarding statistics.
Indeed there's no reason to assume changing pools will do better than staying here.
I've been unable to find a cause for the bad luck other than, it's bad luck.
More analysis may find a cause, but the likelihood of that is very small.

However, thedreamer has more $ on the line to decide what he will do, and of course, he can reduce his risk by temporarily (or permanently) moving to a larger pool ... due to lower variance.
I doesn't mean he 'will' do better, but it does mean he can 'expect' less variance.

History here shows a long term good side to the variance ... most of the time.
But that variance is mostly random and unpredictable.

I'm not here to insist what risk people should take with their $

I can say that the pool is expected, on average, to be rewarding close to PPS% when luck is 100%
The pool fees are covered by the better transactions fees we find.

Orphans are still low, even though we've had them more often in the last couple of months, but even orphans are now expected to be lower thanks to the CN node.

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Simple answer: no one can predict the future, and while the pool software and connectivity gives better expected results, the results themselves include a random element that is out of anyone's control. We control, very well, the element that is not random, while not trying to destroy bitcoin at the same time ...

[citronick]

Meanwhile..... taking some fresh air at, solo.ckpool.org, created new BTC address and replace worker "LuckyJuvia" with "ScottSterling" 

[jonnybravo0311]

I just watched both the soccer and volleyball videos again... yup... still just as damn funny

[not.you]

I agree , quoting Newton's Third Law here is just pretty... Umm.... ... Let's just say 'wrong' and unrelated, to stay civil.  

On that note, I had to pull my stuff off here as I was already a lot in the hole. Sorry guyz..  

I stuck it out with the bad luck and long blocks in the past, but almost a week's worth hurt enough to buy a used car, so I had to go (Not a BMW, but still).

If things get back to normal I'll hook back up here.

Good luck you guys (and gals).

So on the one hand you discount the idea that past luck determines future luck and on the other hand you move your miners due to bad luck?  Do you by any chance detect any cognitive dissonance happening in your mind?

You seriously just asked that? Please read my other posts and support for this pool and then make a proper comment will ya?


Unless your losses are in the thousands, no input from the peanut gallery, thank you.

Oh I apologize your majesty.  I didn't realize what a big deal you are.  I guess when you get to be a big enough deal you can proclaim a belief while acting in direct opposition to it without any mental calisthenics.  Reminds me of a certain someone running for president of the U.S. actually...

Two things that should never be brought into bitcoin, blockchain or this forum are religion and politics lol.

After I wrote it I realized it kind of describes every politician and a fair few religious "authorities" as well.

@thedreamer, I apologize.  Sincerely this time.  I meant no offense with my post about cognitive dissonance, I was merely pointing out a contradiction in your statement.  I got my undies in a bunch over your response and got a little pissy.  What can I say, I'm sensitive like that.

[citronick]

I just watched both the soccer and volleyball videos again... yup... still just as damn funny

it's a good destresser those videos - laughter is the best medicine!

During my regional sales days, a few times I used these videos to clinch deals; to stress that when things goes south, it can really go south - that's why they need to consider my gear... blah x 3

It works to get the points across, regardless of countries, culture and language - laughter is truly the best medicine!

[clgrissom3]

BBBBlockkk by Jays86!  That would be his 10th kano block...double digits!

[Sierra8561]

Love the blocks, keep em coming

[vh]

seeing double, woot.  for a second, i thought there was a glitch in the notification.

[Sierra8561]

Back to back, way to go Jay

[clgrissom3]

seeing double, woot.  for a second, i thought there was a glitch in the notification.

I'm ready to call it a night and Jays86 does it again!

[cavaliersrus]

wow a 2fer by jay... way to go jay

[thedreamer]

Glad to see the rebound of blocks. I'll be watching it.

To 'not.you', I appreciate the civil response. Mu bad too. I sometimes get off the handle sometimes also with people's replies to my posts when I don't feel it is warranted. So all's good, maybe we all just got a bit short fused due to the bad luck.

Glad it seems to be BAD LUCK and nothing more. I'd hate there to be a real way to basically exclude a pool from solving blocks in any way shape or form. Hopefully it stays that way and KANO seems to be on the up and up on all this coding mumbo jumbo. LOL

I'll keep an eye on the pool luck for a day or two and if things are a-ok , bring my stuff back on. For now they have been rented anyways and are on the solo.ck pool taking a gamble. 

[kano]

Well ... if it rebounds to 120% luck or not, there's still the point that: even with 3 bad luck blocks and 2 orphans in the middle of them, the 100 block luck didn't go below ... 96%

... and the last time it got down to 96% was ... August last year.

Edit: and the lowest pool 100 block luck of all time is 89% last april.
and the highest, after the pool's first 100 blocks, was Feb this year with 133%

[dmwardjr]

No worries if this post needs to be taken down.  I just thought I would let pool members know I have plenty of S7 coupons to donate [FREE] if anyone is in need.  It looks like I will not be using them.

I'm heading down to New Orleans [http://www.wsop.com/tourney/tourneydetails.asp?groupID=1211] for 12 days to play several WSOP Circuit tourneys (Texas No Limit Hold'em and Pot Limit Omaha).  I'm leaving on Wednesday, May 11.  So, if you need coupons, you need to speak NOW.  I have 79 coupons remaining.  The coupons expire on Wednesday, May 11.

David

[hoosier_13]

Ouch - http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2016/05/may-8th-2016-mining-pool-statistics.html

[kano]

Ouch - http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2016/05/may-8th-2016-mining-pool-statistics.html

Yep a week of mostly bad luck
Though every longer graph below it, all averages good luck.

Of course I wonder if any don't notice the number of weeks of good luck that have more than accounted for the last 1 week ...

[hoosier_13]

Yeah, tough not to be a fair weather fan in this business.  I trust this pool more than any other.