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[ShefSam]

Help:

Just switched phones - copied everything over to the new Android - FreeOTP included... However, my Kano (and all other) 2FA tokens did not.

I have my API QR & Key - anyway to reclaim or reset my 2FA.

Copied ALL of the phone's Android files onto Hard disk, but did not specifically back-up FreeOTP.

Anyone have any thoughts?

The easiest fix, if you still have the old phone, is to disable 2FA with the old phone, then setup 2FA on the new phone.

If you have the secret key (as the web page tells you to save it) you can setup 2FA on the new phone either by:
1) Re-scanning the copied QRCode if you saved it that way
or
2) To manually set it all up - tap on the key+ symbol at the top, then:
 enter Kano for the first field (it doesn't affect the 2FA number)
 enter your username for the 2nd field (it doesn't affect the 2FA number)
 you have to type in the long saved secret key in the "Secret" field
 the rest of the fields, you only need to change "Algorithm" to SHA256
     those fields should be: Type: TOTP, Digits: 6, Algorithm: SHA256, Interval: 30
 then tap on "Add"

Yeah I saved and printed the API QR code thinking it was the 2FA... oh well.  But thank you for the answer.

[1713514635]

1713514635

[Shazam!!!]

sudo apt-get 'block finder'............

[kano]

When I get time, I'll go through the list of usernames that dropped off and check them closely - it's pretty easy to tell when someone is doing that, if you already suspect it.
(and ban their accounts and IP addresses and payouts)

I have the user count per minute if you need it Kano (not sure if you archive that or not).  Looks like the change was during the hour starting 2018-02-23 23:00:05 UTC/GMT we had a high user count of 1425 and a low of 1156.  That would be the time to focus your attention.  If you need more granular info, pm me.

I have the logs of *everything* that happens on the pool over all time
Currently it's around 400-450TB uncompressed (about 24TB compressed)

[Coltcaine]

When I grow up I want to be a bad ass like Kano.   

[sruyle]

Decided to sell my fluke meter and buy an S9 with it. Put it on ebay and had 2 offers in 10 minutes. woohoo! S9 come to papa.

[padrinogtr]

Kano pool is now on Twitter @kanobtc go follow
Mine on!!!

[BSGMiner]

Decided to sell my fluke meter and buy an S9 with it. Put it on ebay and had 2 offers in 10 minutes. woohoo! S9 come to papa.

Hope ya didn't need it for your job!

[sruyle]

Decided to sell my fluke meter and buy an S9 with it. Put it on ebay and had 2 offers in 10 minutes. woohoo! S9 come to papa.

Hope ya didn't need it for your job!

No. I have not used it in 2 years.  I have another fluke that I actually use. This one is too big to carry.

[rifleman74]

Kano pool is now on Twitter @kanobtc go follow
Mine on!!!

Don't see it.

[padrinogtr]

Kano pool is now on Twitter @kanobtc go follow
Mine on!!!

Don't see it.

Kano pool
@kanobtc
https://mobile.twitter.com/kanobtc

[perfectplus174]

...
I'm open to some feedback on a fun little perk on doubling someone's hash, but unless it's for a 5nd period, it will never get the full benefits.
...

If you mine for 10 hours at 4 TH/s you expect to get rewarded 10 hours at 4 TH/s
The 5Nd is only how the reward comes to you to reduce variance ...
which is from when you start until 5Nd after you stop i.e. start + 10hrs + 5Nd

I must have confused myself somewhere down the line just when I thought I understood it correctly. Can we expand on that example a little more? My brain catches on quicker with a detailed example.....

So, let's say someone has been mining for at least enough to have ramped up their 4 TH/s and was awarded another 4 TH/s as part of a giveaway and a block was found around 200 % difficulty from when the reward was added. To be clear, it only counts back shares equal to that 2Nd period since the last block, correct? Then the promotion expires and the extra hash starts to ramp down and another block isn't found until say another 300%. Those 2 blocks that total the 500% end up paying for the entire 4 TH/s that was added spread out over subsequent blocks up to 5Nd, no?

This is how I understand it and I'm confused why I worded it the way I did above. It was Friday and I had the weekend on my mind I guess.

I do have the correct understanding of how the 5Nd pays the shares though, right?

[padrinogtr]

...
I'm open to some feedback on a fun little perk on doubling someone's hash, but unless it's for a 5nd period, it will never get the full benefits.
...

If you mine for 10 hours at 4 TH/s you expect to get rewarded 10 hours at 4 TH/s
The 5Nd is only how the reward comes to you to reduce variance ...
which is from when you start until 5Nd after you stop i.e. start + 10hrs + 5Nd

I must have confused myself somewhere down the line just when I thought I understood it correctly. Can we expand on that example a little more? My brain catches on quicker with a detailed example.....

So, let's say someone has been mining for at least enough to have ramped up their 4 TH/s and was awarded another 4 TH/s as part of a giveaway and a block was found around 200 % difficulty from when the reward was added. To be clear, it only counts back shares equal to that 2Nd period since the last block, correct? Then the promotion expires and the extra hash starts to ramp down and another block isn't found until say another 300%. Those 2 blocks that total the 500% end up paying for the entire 4 TH/s that was added spread out over subsequent blocks up to 5Nd, no?

This is how I understand it and I'm confused why I worded it the way I did above. It was Friday and I had the weekend on my mind I guess.

I do have the correct understanding of how the 5Nd pays the shares though, right?

I don’t even wanna understand it. It’s just too much for my little brain. Mine on!!!

[perfectplus174]

...
I'm open to some feedback on a fun little perk on doubling someone's hash, but unless it's for a 5nd period, it will never get the full benefits.
...

If you mine for 10 hours at 4 TH/s you expect to get rewarded 10 hours at 4 TH/s
The 5Nd is only how the reward comes to you to reduce variance ...
which is from when you start until 5Nd after you stop i.e. start + 10hrs + 5Nd

I must have confused myself somewhere down the line just when I thought I understood it correctly. Can we expand on that example a little more? My brain catches on quicker with a detailed example.....

So, let's say someone has been mining for at least enough to have ramped up their 4 TH/s and was awarded another 4 TH/s as part of a giveaway and a block was found around 200 % difficulty from when the reward was added. To be clear, it only counts back shares equal to that 2Nd period since the last block, correct? Then the promotion expires and the extra hash starts to ramp down and another block isn't found until say another 300%. Those 2 blocks that total the 500% end up paying for the entire 4 TH/s that was added spread out over subsequent blocks up to 5Nd, no?

This is how I understand it and I'm confused why I worded it the way I did above. It was Friday and I had the weekend on my mind I guess.

I do have the correct understanding of how the 5Nd pays the shares though, right?

I don’t even wanna understand it. It’s just too much for my little brain. Mine on!!!

Yes you do!!   Really, we all should understood it quite well. So, here's the deal......

I'm going to up the stakes and hold you accountable with a new promotion lol!!!  ***** 50 TH/s *****

I want to see how well the small miners understand this and can explain it on a level where YOU(and others, including myself) fully understand it. I want that light bulb to go off and have ZERO doubt about how we are getting paid for our shares and I will donate 50 TH/s for a period of 5 days to a lucky winner.

My rules:

1- You have to have been mining on Kano's Pool with a hash rate between 1 and 10 TH/s
2- You have to have been mining with this hash for at least the last 5 blocks (to be confirmed by Kano)
3- You have to submit your answer in response to this quote and give 2 working examples including the payouts calculated.
4- padrinogtr will have to be able to explain his new understanding with an example in response to the submitted answer and confirmed by KANO.

The 5 day 50 TH/s award will start as soon as I am able to see confirmation and have access to my controllers. I will of course need a worker name.
I understand this is dependent on some cooperation from others, but hey it's 50 TH/s on the line and I'm currently only running about 70 TH/s, so it's a big deal to me.

5 days - 50 TH/s .... don't let us down padrinogtr!!!!!!

*Of course, this is for fun and in the event of a hash rate failure, I will not be obligated to make it up as noted in prior promotions. I hope I'm not leaving out any details. I will stay active with the announcements as well as open to hearing some feedback or details that should be edited.

I really don't want to piss off the head honcho either, so if this is crossing any lines or boundaries, please let me know!

Thanks everyone and MINE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: I may have noticed my first mistake and I'm going to attempt to adjust this. Unless padrinogtr really needed this breakdown, I may tweak the rules to the best description from a miner who meets the first 3 rules, but who's answer reaches 10 votes for the best answer. What do you think?

***NOTE*** This competition is not yet valid until I get the "OK" from Kano and will get the details sorted out. SO SAVE YOUR ANSWERS UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE PLEASE!!

[rifleman74]

Go to sleep...and crack the block!

MINE ON WITH KANO-SAN!

[kano]

...
I'm open to some feedback on a fun little perk on doubling someone's hash, but unless it's for a 5nd period, it will never get the full benefits.
...

If you mine for 10 hours at 4 TH/s you expect to get rewarded 10 hours at 4 TH/s
The 5Nd is only how the reward comes to you to reduce variance ...
which is from when you start until 5Nd after you stop i.e. start + 10hrs + 5Nd

I must have confused myself somewhere down the line just when I thought I understood it correctly. Can we expand on that example a little more? My brain catches on quicker with a detailed example.....

So, let's say someone has been mining for at least enough to have ramped up their 4 TH/s and was awarded another 4 TH/s as part of a giveaway and a block was found around 200 % difficulty from when the reward was added. To be clear, it only counts back shares equal to that 2Nd period since the last block, correct? Then the promotion expires and the extra hash starts to ramp down and another block isn't found until say another 300%. Those 2 blocks that total the 500% end up paying for the entire 4 TH/s that was added spread out over subsequent blocks up to 5Nd, no?

This is how I understand it and I'm confused why I worded it the way I did above. It was Friday and I had the weekend on my mind I guess.

I do have the correct understanding of how the 5Nd pays the shares though, right?

It's easier to think of it as I said

If you mine T TH/s for H hrs then you expect to be rewarded exactly that T for H hours.
and that expected amount is 100% PPS times the MeanTxn% minus the pool fee (0.9%)

The PPLNS process means that you wont get that in the next reward, you'll expect to get that over the H hrs + 5Nd after you start mining
which is of course 5Nd after you stop mining (since you mined for H hrs)

However that bolded word expect is important.
It means that's assuming 100% luck and 5 blocks in the next 500% (5Nd) each 100% apart.
What actually happens will depend on luck and will of course never exactly match that.
Long term you expect to average out 100% luck, but short term mining is VERY much luck based.

So if there's only 2 blocks in the 500% (5Nd) then your reward will only be about 2/5 of what's expected.
If there's 8 blocks in the 500% (5Nd) then your reward will be 8/5 of what's expected.
Again, what's expected is the 100% PPS value of T TH/s for H hrs of mining (times the MeanTxn% minus the pool fee)

If you have other hash rate already going to your account, that can be ignored for this calculation.
This calculation is to work out what will be added on top of whatever is already going on in your account.
It wont change the calculation of your other hash rate reward - it's simply added on top.

Edit: I guess the clearest way to understand this is from the following lines in the Help->Payouts page:
(I added the green highlighting)

The 5Nd means it takes that long to reward your shares.
The ramp isn't missing rewards, it's delaying them to reduce variance.
Each share is rewarded in all the blocks found in the 5Nd after the share.
That's simply how it reduces variance. Each share's reward is averaged out over the 5Nd after it.

The important part to understand is that the reward process works on each share individually.
The shift a share ends up in, determines how many times it will be rewarded.
The number of times a shift is rewarded depends on how often the shift is inside the 5Nd of a block -
but the value of each reward the share gets is based on the difficulty of the share itself.

[padrinogtr]

...
I'm open to some feedback on a fun little perk on doubling someone's hash, but unless it's for a 5nd period, it will never get the full benefits.
...

If you mine for 10 hours at 4 TH/s you expect to get rewarded 10 hours at 4 TH/s
The 5Nd is only how the reward comes to you to reduce variance ...
which is from when you start until 5Nd after you stop i.e. start + 10hrs + 5Nd

I must have confused myself somewhere down the line just when I thought I understood it correctly. Can we expand on that example a little more? My brain catches on quicker with a detailed example.....

So, let's say someone has been mining for at least enough to have ramped up their 4 TH/s and was awarded another 4 TH/s as part of a giveaway and a block was found around 200 % difficulty from when the reward was added. To be clear, it only counts back shares equal to that 2Nd period since the last block, correct? Then the promotion expires and the extra hash starts to ramp down and another block isn't found until say another 300%. Those 2 blocks that total the 500% end up paying for the entire 4 TH/s that was added spread out over subsequent blocks up to 5Nd, no?

This is how I understand it and I'm confused why I worded it the way I did above. It was Friday and I had the weekend on my mind I guess.

I do have the correct understanding of how the 5Nd pays the shares though, right?

I don’t even wanna understand it. It’s just too much for my little brain. Mine on!!!

Yes you do!!   Really, we all should understood it quite well. So, here's the deal......

I'm going to up the stakes and hold you accountable with a new promotion lol!!!  ***** 50 TH/s *****

I want to see how well the small miners understand this and can explain it on a level where YOU(and others, including myself) fully understand it. I want that light bulb to go off and have ZERO doubt about how we are getting paid for our shares and I will donate 50 TH/s for a period of 5 days to a lucky winner.

My rules:

1- You have to have been mining on Kano's Pool with a hash rate between 1 and 10 TH/s
2- You have to have been mining with this hash for at least the last 5 blocks (to be confirmed by Kano)
3- You have to submit your answer in response to this quote and give 2 working examples including the payouts calculated.
4- padrinogtr will have to be able to explain his new understanding with an example in response to the submitted answer and confirmed by KANO.

The 5 day 50 TH/s award will start as soon as I am able to see confirmation and have access to my controllers. I will of course need a worker name.
I understand this is dependent on some cooperation from others, but hey it's 50 TH/s on the line and I'm currently only running about 70 TH/s, so it's a big deal to me.

5 days - 50 TH/s .... don't let us down padrinogtr!!!!!!

*Of course, this is for fun and in the event of a hash rate failure, I will not be obligated to make it up as noted in prior promotions. I hope I'm not leaving out any details. I will stay active with the announcements as well as open to hearing some feedback or details that should be edited.

I really don't want to piss off the head honcho either, so if this is crossing any lines or boundaries, please let me know!

Thanks everyone and MINE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: I may have noticed my first mistake and I'm going to attempt to adjust this. Unless padrinogtr really needed this breakdown, I may tweak the rules to the best description from a miner who meets the first 3 rules, but who's answer reaches 10 votes for the best answer. What do you think?

***NOTE*** This competition is not yet valid until I get the "OK" from Kano and will get the details sorted out. SO SAVE YOUR ANSWERS UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE PLEASE!!

i love games!!! lets play!!!!

[gaud]

got contest for big hashes got contest for small hashes they all dodge around the standard S9 output grrr :/.
  my take on the 5nd. example when block is found your share is 10$ the 5nd splits it up into 2 dollar chunks to be payed out over the next 5 payout times. when a 2nd block is found that a second 10$ broken up pinto 5 chunks so u get 2 $ the first block and on second block u get 2$ from first block and 2$ for second block making 4$ on second payout. on third block it goes to 6 then 8 then 10 and stays there till u quit and then u start collecting smaller and smaller amounts over next few blocks even though u are no longer mining.  this is all based on same numbers coming out to 10 on each payout. this seems to be done to discourage pool jumping and to spread out pay to smooth over pay spikes and dips in the graph. of coarse i jst started mining the other day so could be way off 

[padrinogtr]

...
I'm open to some feedback on a fun little perk on doubling someone's hash, but unless it's for a 5nd period, it will never get the full benefits.
...

If you mine for 10 hours at 4 TH/s you expect to get rewarded 10 hours at 4 TH/s
The 5Nd is only how the reward comes to you to reduce variance ...
which is from when you start until 5Nd after you stop i.e. start + 10hrs + 5Nd

I must have confused myself somewhere down the line just when I thought I understood it correctly. Can we expand on that example a little more? My brain catches on quicker with a detailed example.....

So, let's say someone has been mining for at least enough to have ramped up their 4 TH/s and was awarded another 4 TH/s as part of a giveaway and a block was found around 200 % difficulty from when the reward was added. To be clear, it only counts back shares equal to that 2Nd period since the last block, correct? Then the promotion expires and the extra hash starts to ramp down and another block isn't found until say another 300%. Those 2 blocks that total the 500% end up paying for the entire 4 TH/s that was added spread out over subsequent blocks up to 5Nd, no?

This is how I understand it and I'm confused why I worded it the way I did above. It was Friday and I had the weekend on my mind I guess.

I do have the correct understanding of how the 5Nd pays the shares though, right?

It's easier to think of it as I said

If you mine T TH/s for H hrs then you expect to be rewarded exactly that T for H hours.
and that expected amount is 100% PPS times the MeanTxn% minus the pool fee (0.9%)

The PPLNS process means that you wont get that in the next reward, you'll expect to get that over the H hrs + 5Nd after you start mining
which is of course 5Nd after you stop mining (since you mined for H hrs)

However that bolded word expect is important.
It means that's assuming 100% luck and 5 blocks in the next 500% (5Nd) each 100% apart.
What actually happens will depend on luck and will of course never exactly match that.
Long term you expect to average out 100% luck, but short term mining is VERY much luck based.

So if there's only 2 blocks in the 500% (5Nd) then your reward will only be about 2/5 of what's expected.
If there's 8 blocks in the 500% (5Nd) then your reward will be 8/5 of what's expected.
Again, what's expected is the 100% PPS value of T TH/s for H hrs of mining (times the MeanTxn% minus the pool fee)

If you have other hash rate already going to your account, that can be ignored for this calculation.
This calculation is to work out what will be added on top of whatever is already going on in your account.
It wont change the calculation of your other hash rate reward - it's simply added on top.

Edit: I guess the clearest way to understand this is from the following lines in the Help->Payouts page:
(I added the green highlighting)

The 5Nd means it takes that long to reward your shares.
The ramp isn't missing rewards, it's delaying them to reduce variance.
Each share is rewarded in all the blocks found in the 5Nd after the share.
That's simply how it reduces variance. Each share's reward is averaged out over the 5Nd after it.

The important part to understand is that the reward process works on each share individually.
The shift a share ends up in, determines how many times it will be rewarded.
The number of times a shift is rewarded depends on how often the shift is inside the 5Nd of a block -
but the value of each reward the share gets is based on the difficulty of the share itself.

so i have been mining for less than a year. i have to say i have learned a lot. i know how this pool works and i am perfectly fine with it. i also love the community aspect in it. i also understand why some people dont mine here. now i will be honest, i will need to seat down and read this one a bunch of times to see if anything sticks because its a big mouth full to me, i usually understand better with graphics and visual stuff, my little brain has a hard time remembering too many sentences in a row. i will keep reading and MINE ON!!!
 

[padrinogtr]

i have an idea!!!

i will give away my S7 hash rate with two good boards (~3TH) for 7 days to the one that makes me understand what kano san explained in a way that my dumb ass can understand. 

[rifleman74]

CRACK
CRACK
CRACK
CRACK!

MINE ON WITH KANO-SAN!