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March 14, 2018, 01:29:58 PM
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Payout 513362 sent on time (as usual) and confirmed 5 minutes later Smiley

And next block should be sent out any minute!
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March 14, 2018, 01:35:28 PM
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Payout 513362 sent on time (as usual) and confirmed 5 minutes later Smiley

And next block should be sent out any minute!

And done!
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March 14, 2018, 02:10:10 PM
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May I ask a semi-offtopic question, please? Smiley
The community here is so friendly and experienced, therefore I would like to ask for an advice. I do understand the concern about the monopoly of Bitmain in mining HW (and the use of affiliated pools by the majority of their devices). But I'm also curious if there are other reasons to prefer "alternative" (Ebang, Canaan, ...) products?


The "other reasons" to prefer other hardware manufacturers, is not just about the Hardware they make. Bitmain, can make great
hardware, but they are mainly focused on themselves. Their support, of their customers and longevity of hardware is by far lacking.
Bitmain's main offense, and the reason other Manufacturers are in the spotlight, is their lack of concern with Bitcoin itself. A good
hardware Manufacturer, is going to want Bitcoin's future to be long, and prosperous. Bitmain is the poster boy of Anti-Bitcoin.


I hate Bitmain as much as the next guy. With that being said. I’d be cutting myself short by not mining with only S9’s. Especially with $.12 electricity. Also mining with the currently most efficient miner pointed at a pool that supports BTC is the best way to combat Bitmain’s pools. As soon as more efficient miners come out that can put the heat on Bitmain. I’ll sell all my S9’s for them.

You guys should do the efficiency math on the 841. It draws 1250W and the average hash rate you can expect is 13.55TH. That looks slightly better than the S9 which draws 1320W for the 13.5TH model.  Power usage is the largest cost by far over the long haul unless your electricity is free.  Reliability is another big factor and I can tell you since I run both the Avalon wins hands-down in that category.  I can't tell what the final cost is going to be but one clue is a 20 pack is $2050 each.  That part will be revealed this month.

https://canaan.io/avalon-841-performance-update/

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March 14, 2018, 03:12:37 PM
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Block 513395 just picked up it's first confirm Cheesy

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March 14, 2018, 03:33:10 PM
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May I ask a semi-offtopic question, please? Smiley
The community here is so friendly and experienced, therefore I would like to ask for an advice. I do understand the concern about the monopoly of Bitmain in mining HW (and the use of affiliated pools by the majority of their devices). But I'm also curious if there are other reasons to prefer "alternative" (Ebang, Canaan, ...) products?


The "other reasons" to prefer other hardware manufacturers, is not just about the Hardware they make. Bitmain, can make great
hardware, but they are mainly focused on themselves. Their support, of their customers and longevity of hardware is by far lacking.
Bitmain's main offense, and the reason other Manufacturers are in the spotlight, is their lack of concern with Bitcoin itself. A good
hardware Manufacturer, is going to want Bitcoin's future to be long, and prosperous. Bitmain is the poster boy of Anti-Bitcoin.


I hate Bitmain as much as the next guy. With that being said. I’d be cutting myself short by not mining with only S9’s. Especially with $.12 electricity. Also mining with the currently most efficient miner pointed at a pool that supports BTC is the best way to combat Bitmain’s pools. As soon as more efficient miners come out that can put the heat on Bitmain. I’ll sell all my S9’s for them.

You guys should do the efficiency math on the 841. It draws 1250W and the average hash rate you can expect is 13.55TH. That looks slightly better than the S9 which draws 1320W for the 13.5TH model.  Power usage is the largest cost by far over the long haul unless your electricity is free.  Reliability is another big factor and I can tell you since I run both the Avalon wins hands-down in that category.  I can't tell what the final cost is going to be but one clue is a 20 pack is $2050 each.  That part will be revealed this month.

https://canaan.io/avalon-841-performance-update/


Shortly after I posted about the S9 I received an email from Blokforge about the 841’s. This looks to be the best competition to Bitmain so far. If these numbers are all good along with better reliability it’s a no brainer. If Canaan had a trade in program to trade in your S9 towards an 841 I’d be all over it. As long as the price is competitive. I’ll wait and see where this goes. I might be selling my S9 for 841’s. If I had the money I’d just smash the S9’s lol.
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March 14, 2018, 03:53:16 PM
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Shortly after I posted about the S9 I received an email from Blokforge about the 841’s. This looks to be the best competition to Bitmain so far. If these numbers are all good along with better reliability it’s a no brainer. If Canaan had a trade in program to trade in your S9 towards an 841 I’d be all over it. As long as the price is competitive. I’ll wait and see where this goes. I might be selling my S9 for 841’s. If I had the money I’d just smash the S9’s lol.

The one negative is how much markup will the resellers tack on to the cost of each unit.  That's the big question mark right now which could make a difference.  I do like the specs and performance data of the 841 so far.

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March 14, 2018, 03:55:34 PM
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You guys should do the efficiency math on the 841. It draws 1250W and the average hash rate you can expect is 13.55TH. That looks slightly better than the S9 which draws 1320W for the 13.5TH model.  Power usage is the largest cost by far over the long haul unless your electricity is free.  Reliability is another big factor and I can tell you since I run both the Avalon wins hands-down in that category.  I can't tell what the final cost is going to be but one clue is a 20 pack is $2050 each.  That part will be revealed this month.

https://canaan.io/avalon-841-performance-update/
I'll confess that I almost squealed like a little girl reading the specs mentioned above... Embarrassed

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March 14, 2018, 04:13:56 PM
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The problem I see with the 841 is timing.  If it had come out a year ago, or it had done 18+ TH, it would be awesome.  But it's taken 1.5 years since the S9 for canaan to come out with something that just barely beats it.  

Presumably Bitmain has also been working on something quite a bit better than the S9.  And we all know how they like to crush competitors. 
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March 14, 2018, 04:28:08 PM
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The problem I see with the 841 is timing.  If it had come out a year ago, or it had done 18+ TH, it would be awesome.  But it's taken 1.5 years since the S9 for canaan to come out with something that just barely beats it.  

Presumably Bitmain has also been working on something quite a bit better than the S9.  And we all know how they like to crush competitors.  

True, everyone has to make their own decisions about where to spend their money based on their own logic and experiences.  I for one am completely fed up with the crappy hardware Bitmain puts out.  Fully 38.5% of my antminer S9s are either dead or have serious failure issues and they have all run in a professional data center from day one.  My Avalon equipment are just steady and boring...they just produce above their specs everyday.

EDIT:  I didn't include my S7s above because they are older.  They are at a 50% fail rate.

EDIT2:  No one likes to factor in equipment failure in their break-even calculations.  What do you think a 38% failure rate does to those calculations?

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March 14, 2018, 04:34:06 PM
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I will NOT buy current hardware from anyone unless I can grab a firesale price. ( 2-3 months payback on hardware cost at today's profitability ) Why?

I have not an inkling of doubt that Bitmain is on the verge of a 10NM release in ASIC. Probably July or August.

I think this because;


a) Bitmain is wholesaling every different kind of unit in 16NM Technology from every nook and cranny of their warehouses. ( 13th S9's??? Really? T-9's Really??)

b) Bitmain just issued huge numbers of "coupons" to entice buyers to clear out their inventory. Coincedenatlly, those "coupons" expire in June 2018.

c) Bitmain "wanna be competitors" are chomping at the bit to grab Bitmain market share. We all know how Bitmain feels about that!! No way They are gonna get beat on "first to market" on 10NM.

d) Greedy resellers piled on huge orders of S9's and L3+'s at the highs of the market in hopes of getting rich quick. Most thsoe units never sold to "suckers" (check the hardware forum" You can't throw a dead cat in there without hitting an S9 or L3+ ad.)


     In 3-4 months you'll be able to buy ANY 16nm ASIC for pennies on the dollar. Wait for it.

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I just received my 1st Avalon 821 today but I can't get it to stay powered up.

I have tried two (2) different and brand new out of the box power supplies, albeit Bitmi.. AW3++s.

With each of the power supplies, it only runs for about 20-30 seconds before shutting down.

I have it setup just like my other 5 -741s. It is on a separate controller and the only Avalon in it.

No issues with the 220v supply.

I know this is not the hardware section, but I also know some of you are very knowledgeable with these type of issues.

I would like to my Th up another 11THs so I can close in on the 100THs (or at least into the 90s).

Any ideas?

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I do have another controller - I'll try swapping that out now. Can't hurt.

That did not work..

After it "shutdowns" (fan at full speed for 30 seconds) the fan is still running, but barely??
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March 14, 2018, 05:17:33 PM
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Sounds a lot like what happens when using wrong controller software. Canaan does have a 841 version of software along with 821 version.

Is the controller using 841 software or 821?
What does the advanced GUI report?
Does it see the AUC and if so, does it also see the miner?

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March 14, 2018, 05:23:39 PM
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Sounds like I need to update the controller software to run the 821.

It is recognized by both CGI status and also Awesome Miner - It shows a good connection, but not hashing.

It has yet to be picked up by Kano Pool Worker page.

I'll work on updating the software. I guess I just need to pop out the card and load the new controller software - I hope its that easy.

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March 14, 2018, 05:30:49 PM
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Ah ja, misread and thought you were trying 841 on 821 system.
Most definitely cannot use 721/741 software with the A8's. Tried that and not even the AUC was seen. Flashed a controller to A821 and works perfect. I have *not* tried running a8's and 7's together on 1 controller and for a couple reasons don't recommend even trying since rasPi's are cheap.

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March 14, 2018, 05:34:12 PM
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To reflash the controller, I just need to pop out the sd card and update with the 821 software.

One question - when I popped the card into my drive , it said I must reformat it 1st - I can't open it to see what is on it now (i wanted to check that so I replace the same files..... (I'm not well versed with re flashing ...
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March 14, 2018, 05:43:01 PM
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I will NOT buy current hardware from anyone unless I can grab a firesale price. ( 2-3 months payback on hardware cost at today's profitability ) Why?

I have not an inkling of doubt that Bitmain is on the verge of a 10NM release in ASIC. Probably July or August.

I think this because;


a) Bitmain is wholesaling every different kind of unit in 16NM Technology from every nook and cranny of their warehouses. ( 13th S9's??? Really? T-9's Really??)

b) Bitmain just issued huge numbers of "coupons" to entice buyers to clear out their inventory. Coincedenatlly, those "coupons" expire in June 2018.

c) Bitmain "wanna be competitors" are chomping at the bit to grab Bitmain market share. We all know how Bitmain feels about that!! No way They are gonna get beat on "first to market" on 10NM.

d) Greedy resellers piled on huge orders of S9's and L3+'s at the highs of the market in hopes of getting rich quick. Most thsoe units never sold to "suckers" (check the hardware forum" You can't throw a dead cat in there without hitting an S9 or L3+ ad.)


     In 3-4 months you'll be able to buy ANY 16nm ASIC for pennies on the dollar. Wait for it.



You might argue that Bitmain pricing right now (vs say just a couple months ago, Dec / Jan ) is close to fire sale price.

I mean, if you are right about new miners coming out later this year, what will the hardware pricepoint be?  My guess is they certainly won't be near the ROI of 2-3 months that we saw at the end of last year (not without help from the price of bitcoin increasing, or direct competition in the 10nm space). 
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March 14, 2018, 05:43:43 PM
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What reject rate is normal for an Avalon 741 on Kano Pool? I'm getting .75%.
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March 14, 2018, 05:45:12 PM
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To reflash the controller, I just need to pop out the sd card and update with the 821 software.

One question - when I popped the card into my drive , it said I must reformat it 1st - I can't open it to see what is on it now (i wanted to check that so I replace the same files..... (I'm not well versed with re flashing ...
Flashing will replace everything on the card anyway.

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March 14, 2018, 05:49:20 PM
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Does anyone split mining, say between a pool like Kano's and a PPS pool?  Just curious, I know the logic might say point all your power here and split the rewards, but is there security in splitting your guaranteed earnings with the benefit of splitting found blocks?  

Probably depends on if the pool shares transaction fees,  or the cost of fees you pay to that pool, or orphans, or a number of other variables.... just curious (Oh, I swear I searched this ,so don't get mad if this has been discussed before.)
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