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October 01, 2014, 09:42:56 PM
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Can we get actual proper specs on the included PSU?

Is this close?

1400w or 116.66A continuous 12v output? Assuming 88% efficiency, that should read as about 1591w at the wall if the miner is consuming 1400w DC correct? Who manufactures the PSU? I get a little nervous when I read "custom PSU".

It's 1400w at the wall.
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October 01, 2014, 09:54:28 PM
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Can we get actual proper specs on the included PSU?

Is this close?

1400w or 116.66A continuous 12v output? Assuming 88% efficiency, that should read as about 1591w at the wall if the miner is consuming 1400w DC correct? Who manufactures the PSU? I get a little nervous when I read "custom PSU".

It's 1400w at the wall.

No, I'm pretty sure the PSU can output 1400W DC. PSUs are never rated with what they draw at the wall.
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October 01, 2014, 10:12:00 PM
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Testing 225MHz @ 0.725v right now. Power draw = 1525w
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October 01, 2014, 10:17:52 PM
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Everyone has a different argument, but at the end of the day it really should boil down to ROI.

And compared to other investments in the world, 6 months to make all your money back (and potentially a lot more if you hold your BTC), is a pretty good investment if you ask me.

Stupid, even if you somehow, get ROI in 6 months, you will have negative cash flow after that. Do you know what that means? (since you seems to understand ...... investments and all)

And if you count on BTC price, then buying BTC now with it in your hand.... you wont lose opportunity in case BTC price jumps in less than 6 months.



However, all of these is moot because you WILL NOT have ROI with S4s. We're talking about ROI btc here.

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October 01, 2014, 10:23:22 PM
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Testing 225MHz @ 0.725v right now. Power draw = 1525w

What is the hashrate? It's advertised as 1380w at the wall at 2000GH/s.

* Hash Rate: 2,000GH/s guaranteed
* Power Efficiency: 0.69Watt/GH/s at the wall
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October 01, 2014, 10:56:16 PM
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Obscelenely high price... can't see the reasoning backing it up...
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October 02, 2014, 12:19:23 AM
Last edit: October 02, 2014, 12:53:50 AM by Prelude
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Testing 225MHz @ 0.725v right now. Power draw = 1525w

What is the hashrate? It's advertised as 1380w at the wall at 2000GH/s.

* Hash Rate: 2,000GH/s guaranteed
* Power Efficiency: 0.69Watt/GH/s at the wall

200MHz/0.0725v(stock): 2010GH/s @ 1305w = 0.65Watt/GH/s

225MHz/0.0725v: 2243GH/s @ 1505w = 0.67Watt/GH/s

That's using Eligius. Nicehash doesn't work for shit, was only getting about 1650GH while overclocked. I'll post more as I test, likely tomorrow.

Edit: Seems like Eligius' stats are messed up? Hashrate average over the last 256 seconds is only 48GH/s

Edit 2: I'm trying to find a pool that reports hashrate properly, as Eligius isn't. For some reason the miner won't connect to BTCGuild...  Huh Pool is showing up as dead.
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October 02, 2014, 12:52:34 AM
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Everyone has a different argument, but at the end of the day it really should boil down to ROI.

And compared to other investments in the world, 6 months to make all your money back (and potentially a lot more if you hold your BTC), is a pretty good investment if you ask me.

Stupid, even if you somehow, get ROI in 6 months, you will have negative cash flow after that. Do you know what that means? (since you seems to understand ...... investments and all)

And if you count on BTC price, then buying BTC now with it in your hand.... you wont lose opportunity in case BTC price jumps in less than 6 months.



However, all of these is moot because you WILL NOT have ROI with S4s. We're talking about ROI btc here.



It seems because you can't do something you assume other people can not. There are plenty of people who can ROI. Those with free power, those who know how to trade, and those who know how to mine and sell.

I'm sure if you spent as much time doing any of those things as you do trolling on these forums, you'd earn some bitcoins too.
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October 02, 2014, 12:56:45 AM
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Got BTCGuild to work, had to create a new worker for some reason.
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October 02, 2014, 01:12:36 AM
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Testing 225MHz @ 0.725v right now. Power draw = 1525w

What is the hashrate? It's advertised as 1380w at the wall at 2000GH/s.

* Hash Rate: 2,000GH/s guaranteed
* Power Efficiency: 0.69Watt/GH/s at the wall

200MHz/0.0725v(stock): 2010GH/s @ 1305w = 0.65Watt/GH/s

225MHz/0.0725v: 2243GH/s @ 1505w = 0.67Watt/GH/s

That's using Eligius. Nicehash doesn't work for shit, was only getting about 1650GH while overclocked. I'll post more as I test, likely tomorrow.

Edit: Seems like Eligius' stats are messed up? Hashrate average over the last 256 seconds is only 48GH/s

Edit 2: I'm trying to find a pool that reports hashrate properly, as Eligius isn't. For some reason the miner won't connect to BTCGuild...  Huh Pool is showing up as dead.

eligius is fine for me right now.

thats a nice 10% overclock, any signs its too much for the psu? 1505W at the wall with ~89% efficiency near peak power = 1350W from the PSU

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October 02, 2014, 02:08:25 AM
Last edit: October 02, 2014, 02:57:34 AM by Prelude
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Testing 225MHz @ 0.725v right now. Power draw = 1525w

What is the hashrate? It's advertised as 1380w at the wall at 2000GH/s.

* Hash Rate: 2,000GH/s guaranteed
* Power Efficiency: 0.69Watt/GH/s at the wall

200MHz/0.0725v(stock): 2010GH/s @ 1305w = 0.65Watt/GH/s

225MHz/0.0725v: 2243GH/s @ 1505w = 0.67Watt/GH/s

That's using Eligius. Nicehash doesn't work for shit, was only getting about 1650GH while overclocked. I'll post more as I test, likely tomorrow.

Edit: Seems like Eligius' stats are messed up? Hashrate average over the last 256 seconds is only 48GH/s

Edit 2: I'm trying to find a pool that reports hashrate properly, as Eligius isn't. For some reason the miner won't connect to BTCGuild...  Huh Pool is showing up as dead.

eligius is fine for me right now.

thats a nice 10% overclock, any signs its too much for the psu? 1505W at the wall with ~89% efficiency near peak power = 1350W from the PSU

Really? I'll try switching back to Eligius then.

PSU seems to be handling it just fine. I cranked the voltage up a bit a while ago to see how it affected consumption, and drew as much as 1640w (over 1400w DC) at the wall before backing down. I don't feel like being the guinea pig to find out if this thing has OCP or not.

Running at 225MHz:

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October 02, 2014, 03:37:40 AM
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I don't get it, Eligius just won't report the hashrate properly.

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October 02, 2014, 03:45:15 AM
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October 02, 2014, 08:48:23 AM
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Do these come with rack mount ears / brackets?

I'll let you know.

S4s ship with ears.

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October 02, 2014, 08:50:00 AM
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Yes. Doesn't change the recommendations, doesn't change the information, has no impact on the consumer, just gets Amazon to help pay for the community's services. All $0.18c.

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October 02, 2014, 08:52:20 AM
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Just took delivery of my S4. Cost an extra $220 at the door for customs in Canada.

Nice looking box, kill-a-watt is reading 1308w on 240v.

Going to have to reverse the fans as the airflow won't work for my setup.

Why wouldn't you just turn the box round Cheesy

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October 02, 2014, 01:00:06 PM
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I just got mine yesterday and was surprised how fast it shipped (2 days)
I am have trouble getting my hashrate up to 2 TB currently

I first tried eligius and couldn't get it above 250 G/h..
https://i.imgur.com/4x9TLKS.jpg?1

Then i settled with Nicehash for the night and got a average hash of 1.4 T/H
https://i.imgur.com/Xlp7O1f.jpg?1

Currently set on BTC guild for the last hour with a average of 1.6 T/h
https://i.imgur.com/4FA4hWe.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/8EUWYkr.jpg?1


I'll post more of the miner stats when I get home; frustrating I can't get the promised speed of 2 T/H.  My first guess is the CG miner is out of date.
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October 02, 2014, 01:31:34 PM
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My S4 arrived yesterday (YEA!) and is now happily hashing away at 2240GH/s, slightly overclocked from 200mhz to 225mhz.

First, some initial observations:

0. I was very happy with how fast it shipped (early AM on the 29th as promised) and arrived (two days later, on Oct 1 as estimated) and enjoyed tracking its progress from China to Pennsylvania via Alaska, through customs, etc.

1. It was packaged well — thanks for the four little rubber feet, for those of us who don’t have a 19” server rack to mount it in!

2. I thought it was DOA because the PSU fan came on (slightly) but the thing didn’t *actually* turn on (fans, network, LCD display) until I discovered the tiny little black power “button” sticking out of the back of the PSU.  I was so mad by then I was ready to scream!

3. and then, OMG, The Understatement Of The Year was on Bitmain’s product page, where it mentions that the fans are:

  “a little bit noisy”

Holy Cow!  The thing sounds like a twin-engine Cessna taking off, blasting to full power the moment the power finally does come on.  I swear I must've jumped about 3 feet in the air.  And, then (exactly the opposite of the S3’s, which spin up *after* hashing starts) they quiet down once the thing finishes booting.  The good news is once it starts hashing, the fans haven't gone back to that super loud highest power, since the thing has been running cool as a cucumber so far!

4. Nice logo on the LCD.  Nice iridescent blue glow now filling my darkened basement.  To all the haters saying it'll never pay for itself, I don't mine for (fiat) money, or even to better the network.  I heat and light my basement with the byproducts from a bitmuseum of obsolete mining machines ...and one day maybe the bitcoins I collect will be worth a kajillion USD and then I'll have the last laugh :-) ...and in the meantime?  My blinky lights are cooler than your blinky lights!


Now for the: Questions That Are Eating Away At Me Currently

Power Cord: The Bitmain site says the A/C power cord (that they don't supply) must be rated for 6 amps ("Power line not included. You may look for one line with no less than 16A in your local market").  Those are kinda hard to find!  I'm currently powering the S4 with a standard 10A PC power supply power cord.  I do have a 16A one (it came with my EVGA SuperNOVA 1300G2 power supply, but it's busy powering my two S3's).  You can definitely feel the thicker wire gauge, heavier weight and increased stiffness in the 16 amp compared to the flimsy-by-comparison standard 10 amp AC cords.  But I had lots of flimsy 10 amp cords laying around and I wasn't about to wait 2 more days to start hashing while i wait for this new one to arrive:

  Tripp Lite Heavy Duty Power Cord, 16A,14AWG (NEMA 5-15P to IEC-320-C15) 8-ft.(P019-008)
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0091F8GP6/
  $21.22 (free 2 day shipping if you have Amazon Prime)

So my first question is:

A. Does the S4 really *need* this monster $20 A/C cord?

-- or (put into more practical terms) --

2. is my house gonna burn down today (with my family in it) while I'm at work cuz I couldn't wait to start hashing? or

III. DId I just waste $20 on a monster A/C cord because Bitmain exaggerated its requirements?


And Question #2:

In the S4 manual https://bitmaintech.com/files/download/Antminer%20S4%20Manual_EN_2014.9.29.pdf 9on page 4 where it "explains" how to overclock the thing, it says):

   "Voltage needs to be modified when adjusting the frequency."

But while the Frequency drop-down list presents an impressive and tantalizing selection of possible frequencies that I can't wait to tell it to (try to) run at, there is no mention whatsoever what corresponding voltages need to be entered into the Voltage (which is, unhelpfully, a) free-form text input, in order for it to run optimally at those dizzying speeds!

For now I've left the voltage at the "stock" value of 0275 (0.725 Volt) when I upped the frequency to 225 from 200 but, from all the S3 overclocking info hereabouts, it seems like the voltage *should* need adjustment too, so [the question part of the question is]:

Does anyone have a table of the correct voltages for these various preset frequencies like those that we have in the S3's /etc/config/asic-freq file, and the the mods for it, that are seen all over these forums?

Thanks!

-dave

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October 02, 2014, 01:56:04 PM
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I dont know if this is the solution but do you need to adjust the miner on the right side of BTC guild screen says Ghs change it accordignly sometimes there is a loop that does not allow higher hashrate from poolside.I had a similar solve with a dragon miner I had and then 999.99gh

check it
PS its a good thing that miners come in one piece now!!!!
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October 02, 2014, 02:13:38 PM
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what do you guys have your difficulty set for your s-4? I have my currently set to 1024
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