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X11 is another option, but it has to improve a lot before it will be comparable to either of them. ROI currently for this kernel is negative.
My latest private does 3.1MHASH@50watt. (750ti) Nicehash x11 miner does 11MHASH@(250watt!!) (r9 280x) 15,5/11= 40% bether. My NVIDIA kernal is mining x11 40% more efficient than the fastest x11 kernal on AMD cards.. My 3card r9 280x rig pulled over 800watt in the wall when I tested the latest Nicehash miner. Quark/qubit was pulling around 700 with only 3 cards. (Watt messured including cpu/motherboard and harddrive) Third attempt at this, What's up? The Nano shows that AMD has potential in dealing with power issues. Sure they dialed down the clock but it still performs well. And you won't convince a european that bigger is better. Where are my commnets? Oh well The Nano show potential for AMD in dealing with their power issues. Sure the dialed down the clock but it still performs well. An you won't convince a european that bigger is better. But it shows potential and AMD is addressing power issues. If I was to buy AMD that would be the card. Nicehash X11 does 20MHASH @ 100 watt with the right card. so 7 x 750ti = also 20Mhash but 350 watt. But than again, price of a 750ti is what? 150 Bucks? no idea. The "right card" = 450bucks. Ah, it's still more profitable :p x11 for Nvidia hasn't been improved in quite some time, where as I believe Wolf is working on x11 a lot for AMD. Is this "right card" an R9 Nano? I'd like to know where to get one for $450. Or, at least the model of this card so that I could shop for it. --acryptr The Netherlands Anyhow, i wouldn't buy one. It's small, quiet, ugly (it's a dwarf), stays rather cold all the time, memory speed only 500Mhz.. bah.. Conclusion. Not worth it Fourth try. Sheesh. The Nano shows that AMD has the potential to address power issues. Sure they dialed down the clock but it still performs well. And you'd have a hard time convincing a Eropean thaty bigger is better.
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January 19, 2016, 10:36:07 PM |
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Nicehash X11 does 20MHASH @ 100 watt with the right card. so 7 x 750ti = also 20Mhash but 350 watt. But than again, price of a 750ti is what? 150 Bucks? no idea. The "right card" = 450bucks. Ah, it's still more profitable :p Slow and expensive. Mine etherum...
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There has been a lot of discussion lately about SP's frequent begging for donations and going private with further optimizations. While I don't agree with this he can do what he wants. I have not been one of his donaters for the simple raeson I don't have any employment income or pension. I'm living off investment income at about one third of my previous salary. Had I been a donater I'd be upset with SP at this point so I understand some of the anger. I hope he gets the community spirit back. At least try to be more subtle about it and trim the excess quoted text. There is one person who has tempted me to hit the ignore button more than once. I wish he'd take a step back and stop spouting his one opinion so often. At least try to be more subtle about it and trim the excess quoted text. Other than that I'm in a cheery mood after a tough couple of days, you can find out why by visiting my thread. There I got my plug in. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1326803.msg13610998#msg13610998PS. Yesterday was apparently blue Monday, only in the northern hemisphere I assume. It is supposedly the gloomiest day in the dead of winter. I'm sure statisticians cringe at the notion. Cheer up everyone.
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January 19, 2016, 11:45:30 PM |
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X11 is another option, but it has to improve a lot before it will be comparable to either of them. ROI currently for this kernel is negative.
My latest private does 3.1MHASH@50watt. (750ti) Nicehash x11 miner does 11MHASH@(250watt!!) (r9 280x) 15,5/11= 40% bether. My NVIDIA kernal is mining x11 40% more efficient than the fastest x11 kernal on AMD cards.. My 3card r9 280x rig pulled over 800watt in the wall when I tested the latest Nicehash miner. Quark/qubit was pulling around 700 with only 3 cards. (Watt messured including cpu/motherboard and harddrive) Nicehash X11 does 20MHASH @ 100 watt with the right card. so 7 x 750ti = also 20Mhash but 350 watt. But than again, price of a 750ti is what? 150 Bucks? no idea. The "right card" = 450bucks. Ah, it's still more profitable :p x11 for Nvidia hasn't been improved in quite some time, where as I believe Wolf is working on x11 a lot for AMD. Is this "right card" an R9 Nano? I'd like to know where to get one for $450. Or, at least the model of this card so that I could shop for it. --acryptr The Netherlands Anyhow, i wouldn't buy one. It's small, quiet, ugly (it's a dwarf), stays rather cold all the time, memory speed only 500Mhz.. bah.. Conclusion. Not worth it PLEASE DON'T BE OFFENDED-- What is the make and model of this card? I made a guess, but I'd really like to know for sure. --scryptr AMD dropped the price of the Nano to $500 a few weeks ago. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709%20600566293
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January 19, 2016, 11:45:59 PM |
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EVGA GXT750Ti in the house. Speed look about normal for sp_74?
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January 20, 2016, 12:09:10 AM |
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X11 is another option, but it has to improve a lot before it will be comparable to either of them. ROI currently for this kernel is negative.
My latest private does 3.1MHASH@50watt. (750ti) Nicehash x11 miner does 11MHASH@(250watt!!) (r9 280x) 15,5/11= 40% bether. My NVIDIA kernal is mining x11 40% more efficient than the fastest x11 kernal on AMD cards.. My 3card r9 280x rig pulled over 800watt in the wall when I tested the latest Nicehash miner. Quark/qubit was pulling around 700 with only 3 cards. (Watt messured including cpu/motherboard and harddrive) Nicehash X11 does 20MHASH @ 100 watt with the right card. so 7 x 750ti = also 20Mhash but 350 watt. But than again, price of a 750ti is what? 150 Bucks? no idea. The "right card" = 450bucks. Ah, it's still more profitable :p x11 for Nvidia hasn't been improved in quite some time, where as I believe Wolf is working on x11 a lot for AMD. Is this "right card" an R9 Nano? I'd like to know where to get one for $450. Or, at least the model of this card so that I could shop for it. --acryptr The Netherlands Anyhow, i wouldn't buy one. It's small, quiet, ugly (it's a dwarf), stays rather cold all the time, memory speed only 500Mhz.. bah.. Conclusion. Not worth it PLEASE DON'T BE OFFENDED-- What is the make and model of this card? I made a guess, but I'd really like to know for sure. --scryptr AMD dropped the price of the Nano to $500 a few weeks ago. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007709%20600566293IT IS! IT IS!-- IT IS A PUTTY CAT!! Thanks. I just noticed the big price drop now... --scryptr
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January 20, 2016, 01:20:33 AM |
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There has been a lot of discussion lately about SP's frequent begging for donations and going private with further optimizations. While I don't agree with this he can do what he wants. I have not been one of his donaters for the simple raeson I don't have any employment income or pension. I'm living off investment income at about one third of my previous salary. Had I been a donater I'd be upset with SP at this point so I understand some of the anger. I hope he gets the community spirit back. At least try to be more subtle about it and trim the excess quoted text. There is one person who has tempted me to hit the ignore button more than once. I wish he'd take a step back and stop spouting his one opinion so often. At least try to be more subtle about it and trim the excess quoted text. Other than that I'm in a cheery mood after a tough couple of days, you can find out why by visiting my thread. There I got my plug in. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1326803.msg13610998#msg13610998PS. Yesterday was apparently blue Monday, only in the northern hemisphere I assume. It is supposedly the gloomiest day in the dead of winter. I'm sure statisticians cringe at the notion. Cheer up everyone. I agree a lot with you there. And don't worry, I also have a few people ignored. Anyway, I'm still using an old version of release 6x because a few percentages doesn't worth it to me to spend 0.1 or to use a miner that has potentional issues - being a small miner with ~2KW worth of hardware. I'm also not a fan of unplanned and undisclosed private miner releases, like price changes and how many people it's going to get sold for and when it gets opensourced. For example, the pentablake miner was started at 0.3 BTC for 5 people only but then it was decided that more people can buy it and then its price was reduced to 0.1 BTC out of nowhere screwing early investors; I have sold 5 copies of the pentablake miner, so will not sell anymore. But I have already improved the hashrate, so the pentablake owners will recieve another version with more hash. (+5Mhash on the gtx 970)
I now have a discount on my 120% faster pentablake miner. It can be Yours for a 0.1 BTC donation. (Joincoin)
pm for details..
And let's be honest here, the only people buying that miner are either just wanted to donate or have a ridiculously huge farm or just suck at math because even if they were mining every single pentablake block when Joincoin was hot, it would have took them 6 days to break even not accounting for electricity and the profit of mining anything else. So realistically, even for huge farms it would have taken weeks to break even let alone being profitable. As much as I respect SP as a coder, I'd never pay for a miner that's release conditions and price are not clearly disclosed in advance. And honestly, asking for 0.1 BTC for a few percentages every single day knowing damn well that it doesn't worth it for anyone who doesn't have a massive farm is getting pretty desperate and quite old here. I've donated to several devs what I felt I should and I wouldn't mind donating a lot more but the constant bickering and begging and lack of competition is making me feel like I should just give up on this part of the forum.
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January 20, 2016, 02:27:23 AM |
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EVGA GXT750Ti in the house. Speed look about normal for sp_74? It's in the ball park but I don't have a 960 to compare.
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January 20, 2016, 02:31:21 AM |
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As much as I respect SP as a coder,
I forgot to mention that. I'm impressed with his work to fine tune the defaults for each card. That is a big convenience to users.
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January 20, 2016, 07:16:35 AM |
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A modern I7 CPU is doing around 0.7MHASH in the quark algo isn't it? My buyabable private kernal is up 1 MHASH on the 980ti. Just a few percent increase, but more than a modern I7. Cpu mining is a waste. Why don't you optimize my cuda code instead?
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January 20, 2016, 07:20:46 AM |
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I'm also not a fan of unplanned and undisclosed private miner releases, like price changes and how many people it's going to get sold for and when it gets opensourced. For example, the pentablake miner was started at 0.3 BTC for 5 people only but then it was decided that more people can buy it and then its price was reduced to 0.1 BTC out of nowhere screwing early investors;
Joincoin has collapsed. 75% of it's value is gone since october when the penta miner was released. http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/joincoin/
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January 20, 2016, 07:27:38 AM |
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Let's do a profit calculation.. The nano can do 20MHASH of x11 0.020GHASH * 0.15 (Nicehash payment for 1 GHASH) = 0,003 BTC /DAY 500$ = 1,32BTC 1.32/0.003 = 440 It will take the Nano 440 days TO ROI with FREE POWER. And in these 440 days we have pascal and the 14NM chips comming..
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January 20, 2016, 07:30:07 AM |
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As much as I respect SP as a coder, I'd never pay for a miner that's release conditions and price are not clearly disclosed in advance. And honestly, asking for 0.1 BTC for a few percentages every single day knowing damn well that it doesn't worth it for anyone who doesn't have a massive farm is getting pretty desperate and quite old here.
But one day there will be no more open source optimalizations, and then you will be forced to buy the private miner, or stop mining with a profit.
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January 20, 2016, 07:39:42 AM |
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Anyway, I'm still using an old version of release 6x because a few percentages doesn't worth it to me to spend 0.1 or to use a miner that has potentional issues - being a small miner with ~2KW worth of hardware.
At the current penta difficulty a single 980ti card will make around 100 joincoins a day. (140MHASH) with a price of 0.00006BTC a joincoin you make 0.006 BTC. with my private miner. This is 100% more than mining x11 with the NANO @nicehash.
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January 20, 2016, 07:48:35 AM |
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A modern I7 CPU is doing around 0.7MHASH in the quark algo isn't it? My buyabable private kernal is up 1 MHASH on the 980ti. Just a few percent increase, but more than a modern I7. Cpu mining is a waste. Why don't you optimize my cuda code instead? 722 now on a 4790K @ 4 GHz, but you're right. tyhere is no way it's profitable. But like i said before I'm not in it for the money. That works both ways. It's a hobby that has revenue that offsets the cost. Developement on cpuminer is interesting and I'm learning a lot of skills that will be applibale to ccminer development so when I get there i'll have a less steep learning curve, hopefully not as steepas the one I'm on now. It seems the skills I do have sometoimes geting in the way of relearning the c++ way. Don't worry I'm chasing you down, maybe sooner than you think.
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January 20, 2016, 07:49:56 AM |
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Let's do a profit calculation.. The nano can do 20MHASH of x11 0.020GHASH * 0.15 (Nicehash payment for 1 GHASH) = 0,003 BTC /DAY 500$ = 1,32BTC 1.32/0.003 = 440 It will take the Nano 440 days TO ROI with FREE POWER. And in these 440 days we have pascal and the 14NM chips comming.. Have to agree with that. I'm waiting for pascal.
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January 20, 2016, 07:50:54 AM Last edit: January 20, 2016, 08:12:22 AM by joblo |
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As much as I respect SP as a coder, I'd never pay for a miner that's release conditions and price are not clearly disclosed in advance. And honestly, asking for 0.1 BTC for a few percentages every single day knowing damn well that it doesn't worth it for anyone who doesn't have a massive farm is getting pretty desperate and quite old here.
But one day there will be no more open source optimalizations, and then you will be forced to buy the private miner, or stop mining with a profit. Or build my own. Actually SP I don't want to fight with you. I'd rather work with you, If you're angry I haven't donated to your cause I can live with that. It's not like I don't contribute in other ways. I even help answer questions posed at you. I hope you reconsider your decision to go purely business-like. Like I said, for me it's a hobby, not a business.
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January 20, 2016, 08:04:51 AM |
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Let's do a profit calculation.. The nano can do 20MHASH of x11 0.020GHASH * 0.15 (Nicehash payment for 1 GHASH) = 0,003 BTC /DAY 500$ = 1,32BTC 1.32/0.003 = 440 It will take the Nano 440 days TO ROI with FREE POWER. And in these 440 days we have pascal and the 14NM chips comming.. Have to agree with that. I'm waiting for pascal. Yeah because we all mine X11 .. a nano does 26-27Mh/s @ ethereum (not oc'ed). Or 50$ per month. 450/50 = 9. 9 x 30 = 270 days. Calculations...... Pascal, true, but knowing AMD, they will delay it until January 2017. In other words. You've got your ROI for that nano. Resell it and you'll make a nice profit. Btw, Cheapest 980TI i can find is over 700 dollar, compared to that 450 dollar from the nano..
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January 20, 2016, 08:10:50 AM |
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Yeah because we all mine X11 .. a nano does 26-27Mh/s @ ethereum (not oc'ed). Or 50$ per month. 450/50 = 9. 9 x 30 = 270 days. Thats why I said, Slow and expensive. Mine Etherum.. A r9 280x used to do 25MHASH in etherum as well. You can pick them up cheap at around $120 used. The nano can copy memory fast, but not faster in random access..
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January 20, 2016, 08:38:20 AM |
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Yeah because we all mine X11 .. a nano does 26-27Mh/s @ ethereum (not oc'ed). Or 50$ per month. 450/50 = 9. 9 x 30 = 270 days. Thats why I said, Slow and expensive. Mine Etherum.. A r9 280x used to do 25MHASH in etherum as well. You can pick them up cheap at around $120 used. The nano can copy memory fast, but not faster in random access.. Due to tlb trashing, the 280x is not as good as before (incredible card : when you consider its age). I am mining ethereum with a refurbished R9 290X : 30Mh/s on windows 10 with 170W consumption, without bios modding (I regret being late to ethereum mining, but I had no longer amd cards till december). About 1.2 eth/day. Before I was mining spreadcoin with a pair of GTX 980 then a pair of refurbished GTX 980 ti with you private miner (I have waited spr rise before selling) : clearly profitable... (more than 2 btc obtained with spr, and I sold my GTX with minimal loss). But this is just a hobby with this small mining power : a mining which pay me my upgrades...
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