CCminer(SP-MOD) Modded GPU kernels.

[tbearhere]

SP anyone why is the 750ti's hashrate so bad with ethereum? Is it because it's not implemented fully yet? Thx

You should get 5 MHASH. But on linux only..

But why so little ? And no windows ?

RIGHT CARD FOR THE COIN--

Currently, my 750ti cards are mining Decred (DCR) with no difficulty.  My compute 5.2 (900 series) cards are mining Ethereum (ETH).  I am planning on putting my AMD 280x cards back online, they reportedly can handle ETH pretty well.  Both DCR and ETH are on the rise.

I notice that DCR has a very long confirmation time.  I had DCR coins coming in for 2-3 days after I stopped mining them last time.       --scryptr

Thx  scryptr...what hashrate on ethereum do you get on a 980ti?

I'll answer : 980Ti Extreme: 20 Gh ( bad )     .... 390G1 GAMING : 28Gh....  280X GAMING 4G : 22Gh....

Thx  

[tbearhere]

SP anyone why is the 750ti's hashrate so bad with ethereum? Is it because it's not implemented fully yet? Thx

You should get 5 MHASH. But on linux only..

But why so little ? And no windows ?

RIGHT CARD FOR THE COIN--

Currently, my 750ti cards are mining Decred (DCR) with no difficulty.  My compute 5.2 (900 series) cards are mining Ethereum (ETH).  I am planning on putting my AMD 280x cards back online, they reportedly can handle ETH pretty well.  Both DCR and ETH are on the rise.

I notice that DCR has a very long confirmation time.  I had DCR coins coming in for 2-3 days after I stopped mining them last time.       --scryptr

Thx  scryptr...what hashrate on ethereum do you get on a 980ti?

GTX 980ti--

My dream card!  I don't own one yet, but I hope to purchase one new.  I plan to replace my Win 7 GTX 960 SC with a Zotac AMP! or an EVGA Classified.  From what I read the Zotac will outperform the Classified out-of-the-box.  It may have no room to overclock, though.

But Pascal cards loom near.  Currently, my GTX 270 FTW+ cards get just below 20 Mh/s each, stock, mining ETH.  No spare change for a deluxe model at the moment.       --scryptr

Thx scryptr

[tbearhere]

Sorry sp

I just want to run a benchmark test with a 750ti on Ethereum and on my  VISTA computer to see if it beats windows 8.1.
Anyone have a link to  CUDA version plz  thx
Ps I need a batch file too.

[chrysophylax]

Who generates the coins has no baring on market prices. ASIC miners are no different from GPU miners, CPU miners, or FPGA miners. A miner is a miner. PoS is the only thing that would be drastically different as the reward structure is different.

wow that's very wrong

it all depends on who is mining ... that is the single and whole point ...

Glad you backed that up with reasoning and rational.

From a network security perspective, it doesn't matter. From a price perspective, the greater the distribution, the less chance of it being instantly dumped. ASIC mining causes more centralization and less distribution of the mined coins, therefore, more of a chance it's sold immediately.

Not sure GPU miners are less likely to dump then ASIC miners, regardless of ASICs probably being in large farms. Large farms can also employ coders and day traders who could maximize profits with said coins, which includes investment. Where as GPU miners often times are clinging to the edge of their seat just to pay for power bills as they can't afford either.

GPUs are harder to stack than ASICs - ASICs stack *very* well. Running a shitton of GPUs when your limitations have more to do with maintenance and shit than cost is harder than running ASICs which can take many forms, and would be easier to get bulk discounts on.

That doesn't have anything to do with how you treat the coins you mine, rather just the ability to centralize and increase density.

Day trading, hiring professionals because you're a large scale operation changes how you treat coins.

GPU miners aren't less likely to dump because they have ghetto hardware. They're miners too.

It's not about GPU vs. ASIC, it's about large amount vs small. Let's assume they have the same likelihood of dumping - it takes less ASIC miners dumping to do serious damage than GPU miners. Now, if you assume EXACTLY the average amount of miners who are mining a given coin will dump (by hashpower) then it works out the same. But it doesn't work like that - sometimes more than expected hold, but sometimes more than expected dump. Better distribution will reduce the volatility.

You know percents are equal across the board right? If ASIC miners and GPU miners are just as likely to dump (lets say 50% of both), that's still 50% regardless of how powerful their hardware is as it scales, since there is almost never an occasion where ASICs are mining the same thing as GPUs. Even then it'd still be the same as both would be just as likely to dump (50%) as you said.

There is nothing you've offered that would change how ASIC or GPU miners would treat their coins differently and you've event stated that they are just as likely to dump, percentages again. I offered the idea that ASIC miners have better allocation of resources due to being more profitable in large operations, such as using day traders and other professionals GPU miners don't have access to. You've offered nothing like that.

I mean I can just will magic out of my butt as well, but as I mentioned earlier... you don't have any rational for what you're talking about and what you've offered is logically circular.

Are you deliberately being thick? Given that they are equally likely to dump - you know what, let me put it this way: You have one student take a test, randomly selected. He's likely to get an average grade, but there's a chance that he'll score very high or very low - you never know. Now, take 100 students, have them take the test, and average the results. The latter will look a lot more like the average than the former.

The relation here is that there will be far fewer ASIC miners than GPU miners, and they will hold more coins. Less of them need to dump in order to cause issues - if it's spread out more, you have more of a chance that one or a few people outside the norm have a massive negative effect.

I don't think you understand how stats work. You don't get to pick whether or not someone scores high or low. That's what averages are for. If you state that miners for ASICs are just as likely to dump as GPU miners, that means 50% of them will dump. You don't get to pick if that's all in one part of the distribution or the other. Just the same as it doesn't mean the larger 50% will be more likely to dump then the smaller 50% (if they're weighted differently).

Are you saying there's the SAME amount of variance in the average of a large amount of people vs. the average of a small amount of people?

I'm saying you don't get to choose which part of a distribution that 'variance' happens in. If you assume because there are 5 data points, 2 of which are high, two that are low, and one in the center, you don't get to choose if it's high or low 'just cause'. Based on your logic it can be just as likely that those miners will hold and therefore ASIC miners will be less likely to dump. You don't get to pick unless you use logic to start adding rational as to why you think they'll be more likely to dump. That's no longer stats though and you haven't, I have.

This is also putting aside you're just randomly pulling stats out of your ass and I haven't done the same.

really? ... and you KNOW im anonymous? ...

You're like the only person that mines with 2% or higher donation (you didn't turn it off). Not so anonymous and it matched your hashrate from the other day when you dumped all your miners pool side.

i mine and donate 7% on ALL pools i mine on ( regardless of what they charge - except for yaamp / yiimp pools as you cannot change that ) ... and NEVER switch ANY of the miners to anonymous ...

period ...

so that wasnt me ...

im on yiimp now ... which will be switching to zpool in a day or so ...

im mining quark and x11 at the same time on various other pools also ... so spreading the load ...

so i never put all my miners in one area ... thats bad for the workload ...

another 2 x gigabyte 980ti extremes will be forthcoming in the next week - so that will increase the workload on quark ... may even change granite ( and the other coin im taking over next week ) to quark ... its been tossed up in conversation for a while now ...

will see how that goes ...

#crysx

[Vaccomondus]

wow the small pool yimp or what it is called, is much better, i'm doing 0.1 per hour for decred

supernova is fucked i think, not working right

[Slava_K]

wow the small pool yimp or what it is called, is much better, i'm doing 0.1 per hour for decred

supernova is fucked i think, not working right

What cards?

[tbearhere]

wow the small pool yimp or what it is called, is much better, i'm doing 0.1 per hour for decred

supernova is fucked i think, not working right

At what hashrate? I'm doing .7 an hour at suprnova.

[Vaccomondus]

wow the small pool yimp or what it is called, is much better, i'm doing 0.1 per hour for decred

supernova is fucked i think, not working right

What cards?

970, maybe a lucky streak

wow the small pool yimp or what it is called, is much better, i'm doing 0.1 per hour for decred

supernova is fucked i think, not working right

At what hashrate? I'm doing .7 an hour at suprnova.

only 1.450 giga, i'm undecided to build a rig for this or not or add another 1-2 card to my gaming rig

i need to think quickly

[Vaccomondus]

someone know the consumption of one 980ti because i'm consuming 200w for a single 970 oc'ed, if 980 do 2x the 970 but consume 300w with oc, it is much better to use

[pallas]

someone know the consumption of one 980ti because i'm consuming 200w for a single 970 oc'ed, if 980 do 2x the 970 but consume 300w with oc, it is much better to use

Can't be that much better, it's the same technology.
You will get much better hashrate/power ratio on your 970s if you lower the TDP to 150 or less.

[AzzAz]

someone know the consumption of one 980ti because i'm consuming 200w for a single 970 oc'ed, if 980 do 2x the 970 but consume 300w with oc, it is much better to use

980G1 Extreme pulls up to 400 and 970G1 pulls up to 300 roughly oc'ed

[Vaccomondus]

someone know the consumption of one 980ti because i'm consuming 200w for a single 970 oc'ed, if 980 do 2x the 970 but consume 300w with oc, it is much better to use

Can't be that much better, it's the same technology.
You will get much better hashrate/power ratio on your 970s if you lower the TDP to 150 or less.

decresing the clock from +100 to 0 or the mem from +100 to 0 will make me lose 100 mega, is worth it?

someone know the consumption of one 980ti because i'm consuming 200w for a single 970 oc'ed, if 980 do 2x the 970 but consume 300w with oc, it is much better to use

980G1 Extreme pulls up to 400 and 970G1 pulls up to 300 roughly oc'ed

but one 980 is almost 2x hashrate in decred, so it is better based on your numbers

[pallas]

someone know the consumption of one 980ti because i'm consuming 200w for a single 970 oc'ed, if 980 do 2x the 970 but consume 300w with oc, it is much better to use

Can't be that much better, it's the same technology.
You will get much better hashrate/power ratio on your 970s if you lower the TDP to 150 or less.

decresing the clock from +100 to 0 or the mem from +100 to 0 will make me lose 100 mega, is worth it?

I'm not talking about reducing clocks.
I'm talking about TDP.
The card can do a pretty good job at choosing the best clock for you based on the TDP you like.

[Vaccomondus]

someone know the consumption of one 980ti because i'm consuming 200w for a single 970 oc'ed, if 980 do 2x the 970 but consume 300w with oc, it is much better to use

Can't be that much better, it's the same technology.
You will get much better hashrate/power ratio on your 970s if you lower the TDP to 150 or less.

decresing the clock from +100 to 0 or the mem from +100 to 0 will make me lose 100 mega, is worth it?

I'm not talking about reducing clocks.
I'm talking about TDP.
The card can do a pretty good job at choosing the best clock for you based on the TDP you like.

so is the ratio better at lower tdp? how i can lower the tdp if not by underclocking? i don't want to undervolt, with flashign and risky stuff like that

[antantti]

someone know the consumption of one 980ti because i'm consuming 200w for a single 970 oc'ed, if 980 do 2x the 970 but consume 300w with oc, it is much better to use

Can't be that much better, it's the same technology.
You will get much better hashrate/power ratio on your 970s if you lower the TDP to 150 or less.

decresing the clock from +100 to 0 or the mem from +100 to 0 will make me lose 100 mega, is worth it?

I'm not talking about reducing clocks.
I'm talking about TDP.
The card can do a pretty good job at choosing the best clock for you based on the TDP you like.

so is the ratio better at lower tdp? how i can lower the tdp if not by underclocking? i don't want to undervolt, with flashign and risky stuff like that

As pallas said, play with those sliders.

For DCR downclock memory and tdp (power limit), overclock core. See what happens Watt/ Hash.

My rig likes P2 more than P0 with DCR.



 

[bensam1231]

Who generates the coins has no baring on market prices. ASIC miners are no different from GPU miners, CPU miners, or FPGA miners. A miner is a miner. PoS is the only thing that would be drastically different as the reward structure is different.

wow that's very wrong

it all depends on who is mining ... that is the single and whole point ...

Glad you backed that up with reasoning and rational.

From a network security perspective, it doesn't matter. From a price perspective, the greater the distribution, the less chance of it being instantly dumped. ASIC mining causes more centralization and less distribution of the mined coins, therefore, more of a chance it's sold immediately.

Not sure GPU miners are less likely to dump then ASIC miners, regardless of ASICs probably being in large farms. Large farms can also employ coders and day traders who could maximize profits with said coins, which includes investment. Where as GPU miners often times are clinging to the edge of their seat just to pay for power bills as they can't afford either.

GPUs are harder to stack than ASICs - ASICs stack *very* well. Running a shitton of GPUs when your limitations have more to do with maintenance and shit than cost is harder than running ASICs which can take many forms, and would be easier to get bulk discounts on.

That doesn't have anything to do with how you treat the coins you mine, rather just the ability to centralize and increase density.

Day trading, hiring professionals because you're a large scale operation changes how you treat coins.

GPU miners aren't less likely to dump because they have ghetto hardware. They're miners too.

It's not about GPU vs. ASIC, it's about large amount vs small. Let's assume they have the same likelihood of dumping - it takes less ASIC miners dumping to do serious damage than GPU miners. Now, if you assume EXACTLY the average amount of miners who are mining a given coin will dump (by hashpower) then it works out the same. But it doesn't work like that - sometimes more than expected hold, but sometimes more than expected dump. Better distribution will reduce the volatility.

You know percents are equal across the board right? If ASIC miners and GPU miners are just as likely to dump (lets say 50% of both), that's still 50% regardless of how powerful their hardware is as it scales, since there is almost never an occasion where ASICs are mining the same thing as GPUs. Even then it'd still be the same as both would be just as likely to dump (50%) as you said.

There is nothing you've offered that would change how ASIC or GPU miners would treat their coins differently and you've event stated that they are just as likely to dump, percentages again. I offered the idea that ASIC miners have better allocation of resources due to being more profitable in large operations, such as using day traders and other professionals GPU miners don't have access to. You've offered nothing like that.

I mean I can just will magic out of my butt as well, but as I mentioned earlier... you don't have any rational for what you're talking about and what you've offered is logically circular.

Are you deliberately being thick? Given that they are equally likely to dump - you know what, let me put it this way: You have one student take a test, randomly selected. He's likely to get an average grade, but there's a chance that he'll score very high or very low - you never know. Now, take 100 students, have them take the test, and average the results. The latter will look a lot more like the average than the former.

The relation here is that there will be far fewer ASIC miners than GPU miners, and they will hold more coins. Less of them need to dump in order to cause issues - if it's spread out more, you have more of a chance that one or a few people outside the norm have a massive negative effect.

I don't think you understand how stats work. You don't get to pick whether or not someone scores high or low. That's what averages are for. If you state that miners for ASICs are just as likely to dump as GPU miners, that means 50% of them will dump. You don't get to pick if that's all in one part of the distribution or the other. Just the same as it doesn't mean the larger 50% will be more likely to dump then the smaller 50% (if they're weighted differently).

Are you saying there's the SAME amount of variance in the average of a large amount of people vs. the average of a small amount of people?

I'm saying you don't get to choose which part of a distribution that 'variance' happens in. If you assume because there are 5 data points, 2 of which are high, two that are low, and one in the center, you don't get to choose if it's high or low 'just cause'. Based on your logic it can be just as likely that those miners will hold and therefore ASIC miners will be less likely to dump. You don't get to pick unless you use logic to start adding rational as to why you think they'll be more likely to dump. That's no longer stats though and you haven't, I have.

This is also putting aside you're just randomly pulling stats out of your ass and I haven't done the same.

really? ... and you KNOW im anonymous? ...

You're like the only person that mines with 2% or higher donation (you didn't turn it off). Not so anonymous and it matched your hashrate from the other day when you dumped all your miners pool side.

i mine and donate 7% on ALL pools i mine on ( regardless of what they charge - except for yaamp / yiimp pools as you cannot change that ) ... and NEVER switch ANY of the miners to anonymous ...

You're not understanding me. Under the pool page, you can see when certain people donate more then '2% or more'. It doesn't matter how much you were really donating. You were the only person doing it. When you're anonymous you can still see who is donating, it doesn't matter who is anonymous. Match that with some hashrate and bam.

I can say I'm a pretty princess too, that doesn't make me one.

[AzzAz]

Who generates the coins has no baring on market prices. ASIC miners are no different from GPU miners, CPU miners, or FPGA miners. A miner is a miner. PoS is the only thing that would be drastically different as the reward structure is different.

wow that's very wrong

it all depends on who is mining ... that is the single and whole point ...

Glad you backed that up with reasoning and rational.

From a network security perspective, it doesn't matter. From a price perspective, the greater the distribution, the less chance of it being instantly dumped. ASIC mining causes more centralization and less distribution of the mined coins, therefore, more of a chance it's sold immediately.

Not sure GPU miners are less likely to dump then ASIC miners, regardless of ASICs probably being in large farms. Large farms can also employ coders and day traders who could maximize profits with said coins, which includes investment. Where as GPU miners often times are clinging to the edge of their seat just to pay for power bills as they can't afford either.

GPUs are harder to stack than ASICs - ASICs stack *very* well. Running a shitton of GPUs when your limitations have more to do with maintenance and shit than cost is harder than running ASICs which can take many forms, and would be easier to get bulk discounts on.

That doesn't have anything to do with how you treat the coins you mine, rather just the ability to centralize and increase density.

Day trading, hiring professionals because you're a large scale operation changes how you treat coins.

GPU miners aren't less likely to dump because they have ghetto hardware. They're miners too.

It's not about GPU vs. ASIC, it's about large amount vs small. Let's assume they have the same likelihood of dumping - it takes less ASIC miners dumping to do serious damage than GPU miners. Now, if you assume EXACTLY the average amount of miners who are mining a given coin will dump (by hashpower) then it works out the same. But it doesn't work like that - sometimes more than expected hold, but sometimes more than expected dump. Better distribution will reduce the volatility.

You know percents are equal across the board right? If ASIC miners and GPU miners are just as likely to dump (lets say 50% of both), that's still 50% regardless of how powerful their hardware is as it scales, since there is almost never an occasion where ASICs are mining the same thing as GPUs. Even then it'd still be the same as both would be just as likely to dump (50%) as you said.

There is nothing you've offered that would change how ASIC or GPU miners would treat their coins differently and you've event stated that they are just as likely to dump, percentages again. I offered the idea that ASIC miners have better allocation of resources due to being more profitable in large operations, such as using day traders and other professionals GPU miners don't have access to. You've offered nothing like that.

I mean I can just will magic out of my butt as well, but as I mentioned earlier... you don't have any rational for what you're talking about and what you've offered is logically circular.

Are you deliberately being thick? Given that they are equally likely to dump - you know what, let me put it this way: You have one student take a test, randomly selected. He's likely to get an average grade, but there's a chance that he'll score very high or very low - you never know. Now, take 100 students, have them take the test, and average the results. The latter will look a lot more like the average than the former.

The relation here is that there will be far fewer ASIC miners than GPU miners, and they will hold more coins. Less of them need to dump in order to cause issues - if it's spread out more, you have more of a chance that one or a few people outside the norm have a massive negative effect.

I don't think you understand how stats work. You don't get to pick whether or not someone scores high or low. That's what averages are for. If you state that miners for ASICs are just as likely to dump as GPU miners, that means 50% of them will dump. You don't get to pick if that's all in one part of the distribution or the other. Just the same as it doesn't mean the larger 50% will be more likely to dump then the smaller 50% (if they're weighted differently).

Are you saying there's the SAME amount of variance in the average of a large amount of people vs. the average of a small amount of people?

I'm saying you don't get to choose which part of a distribution that 'variance' happens in. If you assume because there are 5 data points, 2 of which are high, two that are low, and one in the center, you don't get to choose if it's high or low 'just cause'. Based on your logic it can be just as likely that those miners will hold and therefore ASIC miners will be less likely to dump. You don't get to pick unless you use logic to start adding rational as to why you think they'll be more likely to dump. That's no longer stats though and you haven't, I have.

This is also putting aside you're just randomly pulling stats out of your ass and I haven't done the same.

really? ... and you KNOW im anonymous? ...

You're like the only person that mines with 2% or higher donation (you didn't turn it off). Not so anonymous and it matched your hashrate from the other day when you dumped all your miners pool side.

i mine and donate 7% on ALL pools i mine on ( regardless of what they charge - except for yaamp / yiimp pools as you cannot change that ) ... and NEVER switch ANY of the miners to anonymous ...

You're not understanding me. Under the pool page, you can see when certain people donate more then '2% or more'. It doesn't matter how much you were really donating. You were the only person doing it. When you're anonymous you can still see who is donating, it doesn't matter who is anonymous. Match that with some hashrate and bam.

I can say I'm a pretty princess too, that doesn't make me one.

And I have similar hash as him and used to do 2% donation - anonimously... just leave this please?

[chrysophylax]

Who generates the coins has no baring on market prices. ASIC miners are no different from GPU miners, CPU miners, or FPGA miners. A miner is a miner. PoS is the only thing that would be drastically different as the reward structure is different.

wow that's very wrong

it all depends on who is mining ... that is the single and whole point ...

Glad you backed that up with reasoning and rational.

From a network security perspective, it doesn't matter. From a price perspective, the greater the distribution, the less chance of it being instantly dumped. ASIC mining causes more centralization and less distribution of the mined coins, therefore, more of a chance it's sold immediately.

Not sure GPU miners are less likely to dump then ASIC miners, regardless of ASICs probably being in large farms. Large farms can also employ coders and day traders who could maximize profits with said coins, which includes investment. Where as GPU miners often times are clinging to the edge of their seat just to pay for power bills as they can't afford either.

GPUs are harder to stack than ASICs - ASICs stack *very* well. Running a shitton of GPUs when your limitations have more to do with maintenance and shit than cost is harder than running ASICs which can take many forms, and would be easier to get bulk discounts on.

That doesn't have anything to do with how you treat the coins you mine, rather just the ability to centralize and increase density.

Day trading, hiring professionals because you're a large scale operation changes how you treat coins.

GPU miners aren't less likely to dump because they have ghetto hardware. They're miners too.

It's not about GPU vs. ASIC, it's about large amount vs small. Let's assume they have the same likelihood of dumping - it takes less ASIC miners dumping to do serious damage than GPU miners. Now, if you assume EXACTLY the average amount of miners who are mining a given coin will dump (by hashpower) then it works out the same. But it doesn't work like that - sometimes more than expected hold, but sometimes more than expected dump. Better distribution will reduce the volatility.

You know percents are equal across the board right? If ASIC miners and GPU miners are just as likely to dump (lets say 50% of both), that's still 50% regardless of how powerful their hardware is as it scales, since there is almost never an occasion where ASICs are mining the same thing as GPUs. Even then it'd still be the same as both would be just as likely to dump (50%) as you said.

There is nothing you've offered that would change how ASIC or GPU miners would treat their coins differently and you've event stated that they are just as likely to dump, percentages again. I offered the idea that ASIC miners have better allocation of resources due to being more profitable in large operations, such as using day traders and other professionals GPU miners don't have access to. You've offered nothing like that.

I mean I can just will magic out of my butt as well, but as I mentioned earlier... you don't have any rational for what you're talking about and what you've offered is logically circular.

Are you deliberately being thick? Given that they are equally likely to dump - you know what, let me put it this way: You have one student take a test, randomly selected. He's likely to get an average grade, but there's a chance that he'll score very high or very low - you never know. Now, take 100 students, have them take the test, and average the results. The latter will look a lot more like the average than the former.

The relation here is that there will be far fewer ASIC miners than GPU miners, and they will hold more coins. Less of them need to dump in order to cause issues - if it's spread out more, you have more of a chance that one or a few people outside the norm have a massive negative effect.

I don't think you understand how stats work. You don't get to pick whether or not someone scores high or low. That's what averages are for. If you state that miners for ASICs are just as likely to dump as GPU miners, that means 50% of them will dump. You don't get to pick if that's all in one part of the distribution or the other. Just the same as it doesn't mean the larger 50% will be more likely to dump then the smaller 50% (if they're weighted differently).

Are you saying there's the SAME amount of variance in the average of a large amount of people vs. the average of a small amount of people?

I'm saying you don't get to choose which part of a distribution that 'variance' happens in. If you assume because there are 5 data points, 2 of which are high, two that are low, and one in the center, you don't get to choose if it's high or low 'just cause'. Based on your logic it can be just as likely that those miners will hold and therefore ASIC miners will be less likely to dump. You don't get to pick unless you use logic to start adding rational as to why you think they'll be more likely to dump. That's no longer stats though and you haven't, I have.

This is also putting aside you're just randomly pulling stats out of your ass and I haven't done the same.

really? ... and you KNOW im anonymous? ...

You're like the only person that mines with 2% or higher donation (you didn't turn it off). Not so anonymous and it matched your hashrate from the other day when you dumped all your miners pool side.

i mine and donate 7% on ALL pools i mine on ( regardless of what they charge - except for yaamp / yiimp pools as you cannot change that ) ... and NEVER switch ANY of the miners to anonymous ...

You're not understanding me. Under the pool page, you can see when certain people donate more then '2% or more'. It doesn't matter how much you were really donating. You were the only person doing it. When you're anonymous you can still see who is donating, it doesn't matter who is anonymous. Match that with some hashrate and bam.

I can say I'm a pretty princess too, that doesn't make me one.

you are a bloody moron bensam ...

it wasnt me - as i DONT GO ANONYMOUS ...

what part of that dont you understand? ... still making out as if im a liar and hiding in the shadows ... seriously mate - wtf!!! ...

i have NOTHING to hide here - nor do i lie about my miners ...

when thefarm becomes a monster of a farm - it will still be available for EVERYONE to see and will never go anonymous ... EVER ...

what part of that dont you understand also? ...

i dunno what sort of an upbringing you had - or the type of people you have as friends or even associate with to make you feel that EVERYONE is out to get you and lie about everything ... BUT - if ALL of them treat you as an enemy and lie constantly to your face - then you need a change mate OR you need TO change ... your assumptions and accusations and investigations of me ( and most others ) are completely WRONG ... i hide nothing here but my 'official' name - thats it ... in fact - i sign off with my name ... you wanna see what my miners are doing? ... have a damned look ... there is nothing anonymous about the name CHRYSOPHYLAX ( or crysx for that matter ) when i mine ... if you see that name ( unless someone else uses that name also - and for the life of me i cant understand why someone would ) then they are my miners ... PERIOD! ...

you can assume and investigate all you want - you will be wrong ...

that it one of the reasons that the integration of thefarm into the granite ecosystem with be transparent ... as part of the granite ecosystem - that is exactly what one module of thefarm integration will be - a module that will allow you can SEE what each and every miner is doing ...

seriously mate - get a life ... and a farm ... and new friends while your at it ...

sheesh! ...

and azzaz - tanx ... i appreciate your addin here ...

#crysx

[bensam1231]

Who generates the coins has no baring on market prices. ASIC miners are no different from GPU miners, CPU miners, or FPGA miners. A miner is a miner. PoS is the only thing that would be drastically different as the reward structure is different.

wow that's very wrong

it all depends on who is mining ... that is the single and whole point ...

Glad you backed that up with reasoning and rational.

From a network security perspective, it doesn't matter. From a price perspective, the greater the distribution, the less chance of it being instantly dumped. ASIC mining causes more centralization and less distribution of the mined coins, therefore, more of a chance it's sold immediately.

Not sure GPU miners are less likely to dump then ASIC miners, regardless of ASICs probably being in large farms. Large farms can also employ coders and day traders who could maximize profits with said coins, which includes investment. Where as GPU miners often times are clinging to the edge of their seat just to pay for power bills as they can't afford either.

GPUs are harder to stack than ASICs - ASICs stack *very* well. Running a shitton of GPUs when your limitations have more to do with maintenance and shit than cost is harder than running ASICs which can take many forms, and would be easier to get bulk discounts on.

That doesn't have anything to do with how you treat the coins you mine, rather just the ability to centralize and increase density.

Day trading, hiring professionals because you're a large scale operation changes how you treat coins.

GPU miners aren't less likely to dump because they have ghetto hardware. They're miners too.

It's not about GPU vs. ASIC, it's about large amount vs small. Let's assume they have the same likelihood of dumping - it takes less ASIC miners dumping to do serious damage than GPU miners. Now, if you assume EXACTLY the average amount of miners who are mining a given coin will dump (by hashpower) then it works out the same. But it doesn't work like that - sometimes more than expected hold, but sometimes more than expected dump. Better distribution will reduce the volatility.

You know percents are equal across the board right? If ASIC miners and GPU miners are just as likely to dump (lets say 50% of both), that's still 50% regardless of how powerful their hardware is as it scales, since there is almost never an occasion where ASICs are mining the same thing as GPUs. Even then it'd still be the same as both would be just as likely to dump (50%) as you said.

There is nothing you've offered that would change how ASIC or GPU miners would treat their coins differently and you've event stated that they are just as likely to dump, percentages again. I offered the idea that ASIC miners have better allocation of resources due to being more profitable in large operations, such as using day traders and other professionals GPU miners don't have access to. You've offered nothing like that.

I mean I can just will magic out of my butt as well, but as I mentioned earlier... you don't have any rational for what you're talking about and what you've offered is logically circular.

Are you deliberately being thick? Given that they are equally likely to dump - you know what, let me put it this way: You have one student take a test, randomly selected. He's likely to get an average grade, but there's a chance that he'll score very high or very low - you never know. Now, take 100 students, have them take the test, and average the results. The latter will look a lot more like the average than the former.

The relation here is that there will be far fewer ASIC miners than GPU miners, and they will hold more coins. Less of them need to dump in order to cause issues - if it's spread out more, you have more of a chance that one or a few people outside the norm have a massive negative effect.

I don't think you understand how stats work. You don't get to pick whether or not someone scores high or low. That's what averages are for. If you state that miners for ASICs are just as likely to dump as GPU miners, that means 50% of them will dump. You don't get to pick if that's all in one part of the distribution or the other. Just the same as it doesn't mean the larger 50% will be more likely to dump then the smaller 50% (if they're weighted differently).

Are you saying there's the SAME amount of variance in the average of a large amount of people vs. the average of a small amount of people?

I'm saying you don't get to choose which part of a distribution that 'variance' happens in. If you assume because there are 5 data points, 2 of which are high, two that are low, and one in the center, you don't get to choose if it's high or low 'just cause'. Based on your logic it can be just as likely that those miners will hold and therefore ASIC miners will be less likely to dump. You don't get to pick unless you use logic to start adding rational as to why you think they'll be more likely to dump. That's no longer stats though and you haven't, I have.

This is also putting aside you're just randomly pulling stats out of your ass and I haven't done the same.

really? ... and you KNOW im anonymous? ...

You're like the only person that mines with 2% or higher donation (you didn't turn it off). Not so anonymous and it matched your hashrate from the other day when you dumped all your miners pool side.

i mine and donate 7% on ALL pools i mine on ( regardless of what they charge - except for yaamp / yiimp pools as you cannot change that ) ... and NEVER switch ANY of the miners to anonymous ...

You're not understanding me. Under the pool page, you can see when certain people donate more then '2% or more'. It doesn't matter how much you were really donating. You were the only person doing it. When you're anonymous you can still see who is donating, it doesn't matter who is anonymous. Match that with some hashrate and bam.

I can say I'm a pretty princess too, that doesn't make me one.

you are a bloody moron bensam ...

it wasnt me - as i DONT GO ANONYMOUS ...

what part of that dont you understand? ... still making out as if im a liar and hiding in the shadows ... seriously mate - wtf!!! ...

As I said, I can say I'm a pretty princess too, doesn't make me one.

[chrysophylax]

Who generates the coins has no baring on market prices. ASIC miners are no different from GPU miners, CPU miners, or FPGA miners. A miner is a miner. PoS is the only thing that would be drastically different as the reward structure is different.

wow that's very wrong

it all depends on who is mining ... that is the single and whole point ...

Glad you backed that up with reasoning and rational.

From a network security perspective, it doesn't matter. From a price perspective, the greater the distribution, the less chance of it being instantly dumped. ASIC mining causes more centralization and less distribution of the mined coins, therefore, more of a chance it's sold immediately.

Not sure GPU miners are less likely to dump then ASIC miners, regardless of ASICs probably being in large farms. Large farms can also employ coders and day traders who could maximize profits with said coins, which includes investment. Where as GPU miners often times are clinging to the edge of their seat just to pay for power bills as they can't afford either.

GPUs are harder to stack than ASICs - ASICs stack *very* well. Running a shitton of GPUs when your limitations have more to do with maintenance and shit than cost is harder than running ASICs which can take many forms, and would be easier to get bulk discounts on.

That doesn't have anything to do with how you treat the coins you mine, rather just the ability to centralize and increase density.

Day trading, hiring professionals because you're a large scale operation changes how you treat coins.

GPU miners aren't less likely to dump because they have ghetto hardware. They're miners too.

It's not about GPU vs. ASIC, it's about large amount vs small. Let's assume they have the same likelihood of dumping - it takes less ASIC miners dumping to do serious damage than GPU miners. Now, if you assume EXACTLY the average amount of miners who are mining a given coin will dump (by hashpower) then it works out the same. But it doesn't work like that - sometimes more than expected hold, but sometimes more than expected dump. Better distribution will reduce the volatility.

You know percents are equal across the board right? If ASIC miners and GPU miners are just as likely to dump (lets say 50% of both), that's still 50% regardless of how powerful their hardware is as it scales, since there is almost never an occasion where ASICs are mining the same thing as GPUs. Even then it'd still be the same as both would be just as likely to dump (50%) as you said.

There is nothing you've offered that would change how ASIC or GPU miners would treat their coins differently and you've event stated that they are just as likely to dump, percentages again. I offered the idea that ASIC miners have better allocation of resources due to being more profitable in large operations, such as using day traders and other professionals GPU miners don't have access to. You've offered nothing like that.

I mean I can just will magic out of my butt as well, but as I mentioned earlier... you don't have any rational for what you're talking about and what you've offered is logically circular.

Are you deliberately being thick? Given that they are equally likely to dump - you know what, let me put it this way: You have one student take a test, randomly selected. He's likely to get an average grade, but there's a chance that he'll score very high or very low - you never know. Now, take 100 students, have them take the test, and average the results. The latter will look a lot more like the average than the former.

The relation here is that there will be far fewer ASIC miners than GPU miners, and they will hold more coins. Less of them need to dump in order to cause issues - if it's spread out more, you have more of a chance that one or a few people outside the norm have a massive negative effect.

I don't think you understand how stats work. You don't get to pick whether or not someone scores high or low. That's what averages are for. If you state that miners for ASICs are just as likely to dump as GPU miners, that means 50% of them will dump. You don't get to pick if that's all in one part of the distribution or the other. Just the same as it doesn't mean the larger 50% will be more likely to dump then the smaller 50% (if they're weighted differently).

Are you saying there's the SAME amount of variance in the average of a large amount of people vs. the average of a small amount of people?

I'm saying you don't get to choose which part of a distribution that 'variance' happens in. If you assume because there are 5 data points, 2 of which are high, two that are low, and one in the center, you don't get to choose if it's high or low 'just cause'. Based on your logic it can be just as likely that those miners will hold and therefore ASIC miners will be less likely to dump. You don't get to pick unless you use logic to start adding rational as to why you think they'll be more likely to dump. That's no longer stats though and you haven't, I have.

This is also putting aside you're just randomly pulling stats out of your ass and I haven't done the same.

really? ... and you KNOW im anonymous? ...

You're like the only person that mines with 2% or higher donation (you didn't turn it off). Not so anonymous and it matched your hashrate from the other day when you dumped all your miners pool side.

i mine and donate 7% on ALL pools i mine on ( regardless of what they charge - except for yaamp / yiimp pools as you cannot change that ) ... and NEVER switch ANY of the miners to anonymous ...

You're not understanding me. Under the pool page, you can see when certain people donate more then '2% or more'. It doesn't matter how much you were really donating. You were the only person doing it. When you're anonymous you can still see who is donating, it doesn't matter who is anonymous. Match that with some hashrate and bam.

I can say I'm a pretty princess too, that doesn't make me one.

you are a bloody moron bensam ...

it wasnt me - as i DONT GO ANONYMOUS ...

what part of that dont you understand? ... still making out as if im a liar and hiding in the shadows ... seriously mate - wtf!!! ...

As I said, I can say I'm a pretty princess too, doesn't make me one.

you can SAY what you want bensam ...

everyone KNOWS you are an imbecile extraordinaire ...

and i need prove nothing more to you - especially as you wont listen to reason or accept my word as just that - my word ... which i never break ...

#crysx