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March 20, 2016, 03:37:44 PM
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MAJOR DEVELOPMENT - BITBAY
DATE - 20 MARCH 2016

Bitbay has now added a new marketing team. With the upcoming developments from David we have decided to add more resources to our fantastic team.

Join our Slack Group to get early updates on the upcoming developments and our next release in April. http://bitbay.market/wp-login.php?action=slack-invitation
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March 20, 2016, 05:05:02 PM
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MAJOR DEVELOPMENT - BITBAY
DATE - 20 MARCH 2016

Bitbay has now added a new marketing team. With the upcoming developments from David we have decided to add more resources to our fantastic team.

Join our Slack Group to get early updates on the upcoming developments and our next release in April. http://bitbay.market/wp-login.php?action=slack-invitation

The first post from our new marketing team  Smiley

I hope to see many more in the weeks and months to come  Wink
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March 20, 2016, 06:10:30 PM
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Are you guys saying there are some big upcoming events soon or do you just mean in the future?

Also what privacy measures are we going to have in bitbay? are we thinking of any? like masternode mixing or ringsigs? any privacy features?

Why don't we get added to Azure? I mean it seems to be accepting coins with tech nothing as good as bitbays?


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March 20, 2016, 07:35:52 PM
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i think we are at a breakout point with our marketcap. Its been at this price before but no higher apart from the birth. So if we rise I think we could surge up the rankings form this point.


great work by the whole team. I imagine lots is going on behind the scenes

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March 20, 2016, 08:15:51 PM
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Are you guys saying there are some big upcoming events soon or do you just mean in the future?


We will release the new client with templates for buy/sell anything in april.


Why don't we get added to Azure? I mean it seems to be accepting coins with tech nothing as good as bitbays?


David is looking in to it
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March 20, 2016, 10:46:06 PM
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Are you guys saying there are some big upcoming events soon or do you just mean in the future?


We will release the new client with templates for buy/sell anything in april.


Why don't we get added to Azure? I mean it seems to be accepting coins with tech nothing as good as bitbays?


David is looking in to it

have you just leaked some info here you shouldn't have?
bit of a rubbish way to tell everyone about a new release!?

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March 20, 2016, 11:27:07 PM
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Are you guys saying there are some big upcoming events soon or do you just mean in the future?


We will release the new client with templates for buy/sell anything in april.


Why don't we get added to Azure? I mean it seems to be accepting coins with tech nothing as good as bitbays?


David is looking in to it

have you just leaked some info here you shouldn't have?
bit of a rubbish way to tell everyone about a new release!?

What do you mean? Leaked? It's in the announcement.
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March 20, 2016, 11:31:54 PM
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didnt see that! toot toot!!

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March 21, 2016, 12:34:12 AM
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Hello,

  With the renewed interest in BitBay (also the new version being released sometime in April) and the recent up tick in volume on Bittrex I have re listed one of my items for sale on the BitBay Market.  Its a good deal and you have to download the Market Client and enter in the below order number to see what it is.

  BTW I have already sold an item on the market in the past.

 Order number: cafc4302673413db21160f3d02094f8c

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March 21, 2016, 06:52:05 PM
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I wonder if we sold coins on the market place for slightly below market value so people could arbitrage between bitbay market place and exchanges?

I mean sure we would lose a little bit of funds but it would get a lot more people testing the market place.

Could wait for the new template version I suppose before doing it?

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March 21, 2016, 07:14:03 PM
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Hello,

  With the renewed interest in BitBay (also the new version being released sometime in April) and the recent up tick in volume on Bittrex I have re listed one of my items for sale on the BitBay Market.  Its a good deal and you have to download the Market Client and enter in the below order number to see what it is.

  BTW I have already sold an item on the market in the past.

 Order number: cafc4302673413db21160f3d02094f8c

Thanks
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no, it's dead

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March 21, 2016, 07:56:30 PM
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Hello,

  With the renewed interest in BitBay (also the new version being released sometime in April) and the recent up tick in volume on Bittrex I have re listed one of my items for sale on the BitBay Market.  Its a good deal and you have to download the Market Client and enter in the below order number to see what it is.

  BTW I have already sold an item on the market in the past.

 Order number: cafc4302673413db21160f3d02094f8c

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RQDxRocket

ummmm wat?

no, it's dead

Don't think I would say that. In the past few weeks:

1. Price on Trex has doubled.
2. Volume is at 9BTC which is about 9 times of where it was. (At the time of writing).
3. Bitbay has added a new marketing team by the looks of it.
4. Slack group has more activity than before.

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March 21, 2016, 09:16:09 PM
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I wonder if we sold coins on the market place for slightly below market value so people could arbitrage between bitbay market place and exchanges?

I mean sure we would lose a little bit of funds but it would get a lot more people testing the market place.

Could wait for the new template version I suppose before doing it?

I really like the idea! And I agree, we should do that when new version is out.
Will take it to the team
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March 23, 2016, 11:29:49 AM
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The beginning of this thread was a mess and totally dominated by FUD.

I have now cleaned it up a little.
I removed fud, responses to fud, and outdated links. I also deleted any response to posts that I deleted because they did not make sense anymore.
David archived the thread before I started deleting, and we will find a way to make it available to those that want to read it.
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March 23, 2016, 07:17:46 PM
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What's the marketing team up to?

Also how long for the new templates so we can start listing coins for sale?

How much like a decentralised exchange can we make it? how automated can the coin exchange be?

This is now the time to get poloniex on board we have 20btc vol some days.

As the dev it will be best if david contact the owner of polo directly I guess.

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March 24, 2016, 09:23:07 AM
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What's the marketing team up to?

Also how long for the new templates so we can start listing coins for sale?

How much like a decentralised exchange can we make it? how automated can the coin exchange be?

This is now the time to get poloniex on board we have 20btc vol some days.

As the dev it will be best if david contact the owner of polo directly I guess.

Well currently slack is helping me find bloggers and places where we can publish more articles
also I've been editing some articles they intend to publish (somewhere)

As for the Buying and selling of coins at Abritrage I LOVE the idea. Did you know that the
client already has a template for this? The buy/sell coins template actually will track
the price of the coin in fiat by converting to btc and usd. You can set your preferred
funding method and can let it automatically track market prices. It was intended for low volume.
Think of it like a decentralized "local bitcoin" without the need for a middleman and trustless

Decentralized exchange was promised to Blackcoin. The NightTrader exchange was supposed to be
based on deposits. Although they did not pay me, I want to finish that project as I like it.
The problem and delay with it has really been choosing a protocol. There are 3-4 decent methods
on how to do it which I can list below:
    
1) The original NightTrader concept of MICROTRADING: This method was basically to use Blackcoin
as the deposits and trade 50% of the deposits over and over again until funding is reached in
any two currencies. VERY similar to the Barter Template. Example

Bob wants to but 5 btc of Bitbay from Alice
1 btc worth of Blackcoin is deposited both sides
.5 btc of Bitbay is traded for .5 btc of Bitcoin 10 times
Now 5 btc has been traded deposits are released
 
This works with ANY two currencies and does not require any coin to fork. Thus is the perfect current
solution

There are DRAWBACKS though and here is some of them:
Its too slow! Nobody wants to wait for 10 bitcoin transactions which could take days if network is slow
It can bloat the blockchain if the Exchange is too popular (since there is more transactions)
If the price of Blackcoin goes too low during a trade it would be beneficial to blow up deposits
Transacting with multiple people in the order book becomes annoying (think 10 contracts to fund a few btc)

The following methods dont need to rely solely on Blackcoin or Xcoin but have their own drawbacks too
2) The next method is ATOMIC TRADING. This wonderful little trick is to use locktimes to put the solution
to a hash problem in your transaction so that it unlocks another transaction. Both parties use separate
locktimes so they can redeem their funds if the corresponding locks arent sent.

Advantages over microtrading:
You dont need more than one transaction
You dont need to involve 3 currencies

Disadvantages:
Its still a little slow, Bob and Alice need to give lots of time in case of power outages plus they still need
to wait for several confirmations
Checklocktimeverify is NOT in more than a few coins Blackcoin Bitbay Shadowcash Peter Todds coin etc
I dont even think Bitcoin has locktimes

3) The next method is Multisignature exchange its CENTRALIZED but many times more SECURE than normal exchanges
This was one of the serious candidates for NT exchange but it doesn't really rely on BLK it just uses the name NT

The way it works is simple:
The exchange holds a 2nd key to ALL accounts
To perform trades the exchange uses signature hashes like SIGHASH NONE or SIGHASH SINGLE to have
users sign only the coins they intend on trading as a Blank Check
To secure the blank check the exchange puts in a small nominal amount of coins like 5500 satoshis

Then the exchange is free to do very fast exchanging in the form of IOUS and only on withdraw do you
pay the people you owe.

Because the exchange is only 50% holder of the account, they can not steal funds without your key.

Advantages:
thousands of times more secure and better than a regular exchange
almost trustless but not quite (see below)
a lot faster than the concepts above

Disadvantages:
If a hacker somehow got all the servers keys they could try to find out which private key corresponded
to their multisignature address. Then they can withdraw renegging on their IOUS.
However the above attack only steals the amount of coins they traded. But if they were a whale this
could still be devastating. Its will be hard for them to time double spending though.
Also, if the exchange wanted to be evil they could sign IOUS to the wrong addresses taking funds
Also, the exchange could pretend to be a user and make trades and still take funds
Also, the exchange could lose their keys in a fire or HD crash and any coin without locktimes will lose their
funds so the exchange would have to have a way of backing up their orderbook and keys on paper
The biggest disadvantage is LIABILITY. Because its not decentralized there is much responsibility even if no hack occurs

4) The last and best way for decentralized exchange is the LIGHTNING NETWORK and P2P MICROTRADING
This is a newer idea of mine. Its basically forming a Lightning network in each coin and microtrading
between neighbors until the needed amount is reached. Because a lightning network does not report
to the blockchain, they can fund using the most trivial amounts.

How does this work?
Accuonts are daisy chained
Bob->Alice, Alice->John, John->Frank
For Bob to send to Frank he routes his debt through Alice and John

It can also be daisy chained with servers and withdraw tricks Bob->Server Server->Alice

Advantages:
Its probably the best way to do decentralized exchange
Lightning networks completely reduce bloat on blockchains
There are other advantages

Drawbacks:
Since they have to include multiple peers and possibly multiple servers, there could be some
latency but its not much maybe a few seconds at the most.
It requires that all coins have checklocktimeverify and its own lightning network
Its too much work to get it done really well.

SO thats the whole thing. Blackcoins NT will still probably get made with microtrading
despite being not as good as AT or Lightning. Its decentralized and thats what i like about it.
I'm willing to sacrifice speed for security any day. But it may not be popular since traders
will want speed. And it does bloat the blockchain with smaller transactions and peers must
stay connected for a few days to finish some larger trades. Also they will need Blackcoin
and the deposit levels adds an extra amount of complexity to the exchange. The orderbook
can be centralized to help a little with speed. IF there are trolls we can require a BURN for
trades.

Hope that helps!

How do I contact Poloniex owner Directly?!
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Last edit: March 24, 2016, 10:11:37 AM by wosch76
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How do I contact Poloniex owner Directly?!
maybe via LinkedIn?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tristandagosta

or on here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=139578
busoni is tristan.
official Polo-Thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=420836.0

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March 24, 2016, 08:52:35 PM
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So can we build this

Option 4  into bitbay market place or stand alone?

Then other coins will need to add checktimeverify into their code.

Or one of the options above but we don't have BTC since it is really only their slow confirms that makes it all so slow?

We make bitbay the reserve currency or one with faster confirms? even ltc since that seems quite stable and has much faster confirms?

If you look on the board also i'm sure his username (poloniex) is busoni or something like that.

I'm sure he will add bitbay as long as the wallet isn't to buggy still.

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So can we build this

Option 4  into bitbay market place or stand alone?

Then other coins will need to add checktimeverify into their code.

Or one of the options above but we don't have BTC since it is really only their slow confirms that makes it all so slow?

We make bitbay the reserve currency or one with faster confirms? even ltc since that seems quite stable and has much faster confirms?

If you look on the board also i'm sure his username (poloniex) is busoni or something like that.

I'm sure he will add bitbay as long as the wallet isn't to buggy still.

Its enough work to just get the microtrader working honestly.
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Thanks for the interesting read David! Lots of opportunities to think about.
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