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Last edit: August 26, 2013, 06:29:27 AM by Xian01
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Does anyone have any insight as to when sales/coupons will resume for those eligible to purchase at 0.1 BTC ? Apologies if I overlooked a post somewhere that may have answered this already.
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August 26, 2013, 06:57:10 AM
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I'm so glad that Vycid executed those puts. Assuming that's why he's eased off the negative campaign.

I get the feeling he actually had an effect on the market....No way to prove this though i guess.



Still haven't executed.

I eased off because I was starting to annoy rather than inform. Everyone had heard my arguments already.

I still do intend to make some high-effort analysis posts but I've been sorta busy the past few days.

Fair call,

Nothing wrong with seeing opposing opinions. But it was getting rather annoying and was clogging up the thread.

Just make sure you base most of your arguments on facts. I think there was a bit of speculation creeping into the things you were putting out there. Anyway....

Sorry for assuming you'd executed, I'd be interested to know when you do.  Smiley
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August 26, 2013, 12:06:45 PM
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Maybe it was a strategic placement to stop the shareprice from falling?
I mean its not important to friedcat what a share is priced

What?Huh What the fuck are you talking about?!

Why should he? The shares were only to create the company. He owns a lot of it but only to own the companies earnings this way. He cant sell them without crashing the price. If friedcat would sell this would be a very bad sign. So in my opinion he never thought of his shares value since the only thing matters for him are the company itself and the part of the earnings he gets.
So why should he care now about the shareprice? He only would because of his shareholders. But the shareprice does change nothing for the company. It will still mine, it will still create the same earnings. So the shareprice is something he only would care because of his shareholders.
And the connections that exist between the shareprice of normal stock exchange securities and the companies profit are not existing here.

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August 26, 2013, 12:11:59 PM
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Maybe it was a strategic placement to stop the shareprice from falling?
I mean its not important to friedcat what a share is priced

What?Huh What the fuck are you talking about?!

Why should he? The shares were only to create the company. He owns a lot of it but only to own the companies earnings this way. He cant sell them without crashing the price. If friedcat would sell this would be a very bad sign. So in my opinion he never thought of his shares value since the only thing matters for him are the company itself and the part of the earnings he gets.
So why should he care now about the shareprice? He only would because of his shareholders. But the shareprice does change nothing for the company. It will still mine, it will still create the same earnings. So the shareprice is something he only would care because of his shareholders.
And the connections that exist between the shareprice of normal stock exchange securities and the companies profit are not existing here.

+1. Nice observation and post.

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August 26, 2013, 12:30:34 PM
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I think this - 1N8oFn2BgF5Rxysf5xDdgsAVmZ2cvzCKQo - is first franchise address

EDIT: although it looks like hardware selling address, but then I don't understand why proceeds go to main mining address
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August 26, 2013, 12:31:05 PM
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I don't find the link to the live display of a line with blue and red points, for blocks that are found by AM or not. Don't know how to explain better, but you should see what I'm talking about...
If somebody could give it, thanks in advance!

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August 26, 2013, 12:33:16 PM
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I don't find the link to the live display of a line with blue and red points, for blocks that are found by AM or not. Don't know how to explain better, but you should see what I'm talking about...
If somebody could give it, thanks in advance!

you mean this?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/oimg?key=0AkPdXsQFT-vIdGg0bC1sQmNFSWxVRU5sYmNWSDhXcFE&oid=15&zx=edyv99jfntu6
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August 26, 2013, 12:33:59 PM
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I don't find the link to the live display of a line with blue and red points, for blocks that are found by AM or not. Don't know how to explain better, but you should see what I'm talking about...
If somebody could give it, thanks in advance!

you mean this?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/oimg?key=0AkPdXsQFT-vIdGg0bC1sQmNFSWxVRU5sYmNWSDhXcFE&oid=15&zx=edyv99jfntu6

Yes! thanks!  Smiley

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August 26, 2013, 01:02:45 PM
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AM hashrate is back up. It seems to be the all time high, around 80TH/s.

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August 26, 2013, 01:03:16 PM
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AM hashrate is back up. It seems to be the all time high, around 80TH/s.

this is called luck and variance

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August 26, 2013, 01:07:37 PM
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Rate is still climbing..a 3x increase seems like more than variance, but who knows. 
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August 26, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
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AM hashrate is back up. It seems to be the all time high, around 80TH/s.

this is called luck and variance

Often, some noobs under-estimate the effect of variance, and get crazy every 6 hours "it's up!", "it's down!".
But this time, I fully agree. This is not variance. They were undoubtedly having a low hashrate these last days, around 30TH/s, and they are now way higher. The possible range of this "way higher" is still large given that the increase is recent, but it will shrink over time and we should get a reasonable approximation in 48h. Personally, I think we will be higher than the previous high of ~60TH/s. I expect 80 or higher.

My hypothesis is that the recent low was due to some work required to extend the farm. Now the extension is being turned on... Welcome the new hash rate!  Smiley

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August 26, 2013, 01:14:13 PM
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I believe in luck, but not in that much. Here is just some infrastructure back in business ...

It's more like the opportunity is gone to trade AM-shares at lower prices Wink
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August 26, 2013, 01:21:35 PM
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I believe in luck, but not in that much. Here is just some infrastructure back in business ...

It's more like the opportunity is gone to trade AM-shares at lower prices Wink

lets see after we recieve next dividend under 0.01
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August 26, 2013, 01:24:07 PM
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Some AM1 shares on Haveluck sold for 2.1BTC ... there will be another chance, for sure Smiley
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August 26, 2013, 01:31:11 PM
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I believe in luck, but not in that much. Here is just some infrastructure back in business ...

It's more like the opportunity is gone to trade AM-shares at lower prices Wink

lets see after we recieve next dividend under 0.01

So between any potential hardware divs from the batch of USB miners and a hashrate that has probably increased significantly you predict the dividend is going down >20%?
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August 26, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
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I believe in luck, but not in that much. Here is just some infrastructure back in business ...

It's more like the opportunity is gone to trade AM-shares at lower prices Wink

lets see after we recieve next dividend under 0.01

So between any potential hardware divs from the batch of USB miners and a hashrate that has probably increased significantly you predict the dividend is going down >20%?

If hardware divs is retained for further investment... only mining part remains. The increase is recent, so a large part of the week will have been done with low hash rate. You can see an estimation here (bottom of the page):
http://www.asicminercharts.com/live/
Since it extrapolates the past hash rate, it will be higher than that (due to current increase), but it might be around 0.01, or like last week, 0.012.

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August 26, 2013, 01:37:58 PM
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So between any potential hardware divs from the batch of USB miners and a hashrate that has probably increased significantly you predict the dividend is going down >20%?

1. hash rate has been down all week, so don't expect any new revenue from that.  We'll be lucky if we generate the same amount as last week.  It's been around 4-6% since last week.

2. I've seen the 6-12 hours hash rate estimate over 100 TH/s before.  That doesn't mean the hash rate is increasing.  Until we see 24+ estimates increasing, I think it's foolish to assume hash rate is increasing.

3. I don't think we'll see a big increase in hardware sales.  The new USBs are cute, but the prices haven't really changed (that I can see), so don't expect a flood of new sales.  And even if that does happen, you won't see the money until next week.

tl;dr - dividends are going to be low again this week.

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August 26, 2013, 01:40:11 PM
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2. I've seen the 6-12 hours hash rate estimate over 100 TH/s before.  That doesn't mean the hash rate is increasing.  Until we see 24+ estimates increasing, I think it's foolish to assume hash rate is increasing.

vela, I bet we'll see the 24h average being over 80TH/s during the next 48h.

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August 26, 2013, 01:41:14 PM
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Just to clarify I don't expect a meaningful increase in dividends, but I still think a drop below .01 is unlikely even with the difficulty increase.  
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