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September 02, 2013, 03:31:39 AM
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vycid thank you for helping keep the price down

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September 02, 2013, 03:46:16 AM
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The "leaked" slides talk of the second large scale deployment (~1 PH/s)

I thought I see the official update saying 200Th in the new few months?

200TH is nothing. At least 1PH makes more sense in the near future.
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September 02, 2013, 06:06:57 AM
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Will price ever rise above 3.5 again? Sad

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September 02, 2013, 06:34:50 AM
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The "leaked" slides talk of the second large scale deployment (~1 PH/s)

I thought I see the official update saying 200Th in the new few months?

200TH is nothing. At least 1PH makes more sense in the near future.

200TH is being used (deployed, franchised, sold) right now (first two batches were 62TH/s, i believe our current hashrate is around 45TH/s and AM sold around 20TH/s).

Fourth (and probably final) batch of 130nm technology will be ready later (probably start of october?) - 1000TH/s. Then around december/january first batch of 2nd gen chips. (55 or 65nm)

At least that's my view of things. I am not sure of anything 'cause of lack of updates from FC
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September 02, 2013, 07:37:44 AM
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Will price ever rise above 3.5 again? Sad
No one can predict the future, but personally it's worth at least 5.
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September 02, 2013, 09:01:44 AM
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I would like to purchase 1 direct ASICMINER share - PM me for details.
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September 02, 2013, 09:02:09 AM
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The "leaked" slides talk of the second large scale deployment (~1 PH/s)

I thought I see the official update saying 200Th in the new few months?

200TH is nothing. At least 1PH makes more sense in the near future.

200TH is being used (deployed, franchised, sold) right now (first two batches were 62TH/s, i believe our current hashrate is around 45TH/s and AM sold around 20TH/s).

Fourth (and probably final) batch of 130nm technology will be ready later (probably start of october?) - 1000TH/s. Then around december/january first batch of 2nd gen chips. (55 or 65nm)

At least that's my view of things. I am not sure of anything 'cause of lack of updates from FC

I don't know where you got those numbers, but if that is an accurate schedule of Asicminer, we are pretty much fucked.
CoinTerra 2 PetaHashes by December, BitMine will bring 4 Petahashes by March, FastHash and KnCMiner who knows how much more.
CoinTerra and KnC are both already going full throttle using 28nm.

IF AsicMiner doesn't put their shit together bringing a couple of petahashes to the network, even 2 BTC per share will be overpriced.
There is no more reason to be holding back, being the most capitalized company in the bitcoin world, they should be leading this fierce competition.
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September 02, 2013, 09:27:16 AM
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IF AsicMiner doesn't put their shit together bringing a couple of petahashes to the network, even 2 btc per share will be expensive.
The only thing which seems to inflate more drastically than hashpower are hashpower expectations. It seems that people look at growth slopes and then extrapolate half a year into the future. Beware that slope changes can have dramatic effect on timing, it's easy to get the expected hashpower wrong by a factor of 2-5 over a period of 6 months just based on slope analysis.

Certainly there will be a need to bring petahashes to the network. That's why one of the most important aspect of suppliers is to optimize production and deployment scalability. Failure at that stage can lead to loosing competitiveness either from a fiscal and/or a reputation point. Just having a fancy chip won't cut it.

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September 02, 2013, 09:28:52 AM
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I don't know where you got those numbers, but if that is an accurate schedule of Asicminer, we are pretty much fucked.
CoinTerra 2 PetaHashes by December, BitMine will bring 4 Petahashes by March, FastHash and KnCMiner who knows how much more.
CoinTerra and KnC are both already going full throttle using 28nm.

IF AsicMiner doesn't put their shit together bringing a couple of petahashes to the network, even 2 BTC per share will be overpriced.
There is no more reason to be holding back, being the most capitalized company in the bitcoin world, they should be leading this fierce competition.

Cointerra - doesn't have anything yet
BitMine - doesn't have anything yet
FastHash - doesn't have anything yet
KnCMiner - doesn't have anything yet

I don't know where is the informatino that CoinTerra and KnC are going full throttle using 28 nm, but I haven't seen proof of such a thing.

Asicminer has already experience with 130 nm chips and the new generation will be produced pretty soon afaik. You should walk before you start running.

Correct me if I'm wrong in anything

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September 02, 2013, 09:31:29 AM
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I don't know where you got those numbers, but if that is an accurate schedule of Asicminer, we are pretty much fucked.
CoinTerra 2 PetaHashes by December, BitMine will bring 4 Petahashes by March, FastHash and KnCMiner who knows how much more.
CoinTerra and KnC are both already going full throttle using 28nm.

IF AsicMiner doesn't put their shit together bringing a couple of petahashes to the network, even 2 BTC per share will be overpriced.
There is no more reason to be holding back, being the most capitalized company in the bitcoin world, they should be leading this fierce competition.

Cointerra - doesn't have anything yet
BitMine - doesn't have anything yet
FastHash - doesn't have anything yet
KnCMiner - doesn't have anything yet

I don't know where is the informatino that CoinTerra and KnC are going full throttle using 28 nm, but I haven't seen proof of such a thing.

Asicminer has already experience with 130 nm chips and the new generation will be produced pretty soon afaik. You should walk before you start running.

Correct me if I'm wrong in anything



There is also Avalon, BitFury and BFL.

Cointerra founders claim they have previous experience in 28nm fab.
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September 02, 2013, 09:36:33 AM
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I don't know where you got those numbers, but if that is an accurate schedule of Asicminer, we are pretty much fucked.
CoinTerra 2 PetaHashes by December, BitMine will bring 4 Petahashes by March, FastHash and KnCMiner who knows how much more.
CoinTerra and KnC are both already going full throttle using 28nm.

IF AsicMiner doesn't put their shit together bringing a couple of petahashes to the network, even 2 BTC per share will be overpriced.
There is no more reason to be holding back, being the most capitalized company in the bitcoin world, they should be leading this fierce competition.

Cointerra - doesn't have anything yet
BitMine - doesn't have anything yet
FastHash - doesn't have anything yet
KnCMiner - doesn't have anything yet

I don't know where is the informatino that CoinTerra and KnC are going full throttle using 28 nm, but I haven't seen proof of such a thing.

Asicminer has already experience with 130 nm chips and the new generation will be produced pretty soon afaik. You should walk before you start running.

Correct me if I'm wrong in anything



There is also Avalon, BitFury and BFL.

Cointerra founders claim they have previous experience in 28nm fab.

That is correct. Ravi Iyengar (CoinTerra lead) was a big shot at Samsung (CPU Lead Architect at Samsung Austin Research Center). The star power is even greater on CoinTerra's advisory board - their chairman, Naveed Sherwani, is also the chair of the Global Semiconductor Association Technical Steering Committee.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7246/the-rush-to-bitcoin-asics-ravi-iyengar-launches-cointerra

http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/08/chip-veterans-form-new-startup-will-sell-high-end-bitcoin-miner-for-16000/

Even more important than the experience is the industry connections. Nothing gets done without knowing the right people.

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September 02, 2013, 10:08:01 AM
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Why do you guys love this pointless guessing game? It will not make you in to a financial analyst, securities analyst nor equity analyst and  definitely not in to a investment analyst. Smiley

To have a better understanding, what is happening, all you need to do, is look at the ASICMINER project plan, compare the actual to base line and see, how the estimated numbers fit with CF, PL statements and voilà...
To figure out ASICMINER's value, you only need to look at their balance sheet and go form there...

While reading what I wrote, use the most friendliest and relaxing voice in your head.
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September 02, 2013, 10:10:04 AM
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2014 will be interesting for sure. AM has a headstart on everything + a good reputation compared to other companies ("bitfury" is catching up)

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September 02, 2013, 10:33:02 AM
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Why do you guys love this pointless guessing game? It will not make you in to a financial analyst, securities analyst nor equity analyst and  definitely not in to a investment analyst. Smiley

To have a better understanding, what is happening, all you need to do, is look at the ASICMINER project plan, compare the actual to base line and see, how the estimated numbers fit with CF, PL statements and voilà...
To figure out ASICMINER's value, you only need to look at their balance sheet and go form there...
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then the price was overvalued.

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September 02, 2013, 10:43:58 AM
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Why do you guys love this pointless guessing game? It will not make you in to a financial analyst, securities analyst nor equity analyst and  definitely not in to a investment analyst. Smiley

To have a better understanding, what is happening, all you need to do, is look at the ASICMINER project plan, compare the actual to base line and see, how the estimated numbers fit with CF, PL statements and voilà...
To figure out ASICMINER's value, you only need to look at their balance sheet and go form there...

The fair valuation of any security depends heavily on the forward P/E, which in turn is heavily dependent on the hashrate increase and the quality of AM's 2nd gen hardware - which necessarily makes this a guessing game.

I would posit, however, that some guesses are defensible whilst others are not.

By the way, this is not my first analysis and I do not expect it to make me a better analyst.  I expect it to make me money.

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September 02, 2013, 11:23:05 AM
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An important question to ask is where do they get those chips fabricated. Everyone claims they will provide 1PH or 2PH. How many chips they need? Have they secured the product lines? How about the PCB, fans? Nobody will create these things in huge number from nowhere. There are not so many idle product lines there waiting for large contracts of mining chips, PCBs, and fans.
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September 02, 2013, 01:06:37 PM
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2014 will be interesting for sure. AM has a headstart on everything + a good reputation compared to other companies ("bitfury" is catching up)
This is simply not true. AM is currently behind BitFury in the development of 55 nm ASICs. BitFury is shipping right now, ASICMiner plans to ship in November/December. ASICMiner is currently behind one competitor by at least 2 months.
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September 02, 2013, 05:02:03 PM
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This speaks to the demand for money which is rarely talked about outside of the Austrian school of economics.

You might thing that... if you never read anything other then Austrian economics.

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September 02, 2013, 05:18:33 PM
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New Blades, photos

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286486.msg3065622
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nice! But I thought they were going to be USB connectable, no?
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