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March 20, 2014, 03:38:21 AM |
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The value of mining hardware would have to have a relationship to the value of coin mined. Why focus your efforts on that which isn't going to be as profitable for the miner to mine thus leaving them unable to afford to pay you as much for your mining equipment?
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March 20, 2014, 04:20:52 AM |
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You can't just take market caps, merge them together, and divide to determine what the price of a coin is. Rival is smarter then that, you have to look at liquidity and market depth.
When the bitcoin price moves $1, that does NOT mean that 12 million of USD just moved into bitcoin, it could simply mean that everyone collectively decided not to sell at the lower price, valued their bitcoins more, and thus the price moved up. The price of a bitcoin can move with relatively little actual capital moving retaliative to the entire market cap.
Not only that, but as ASIC's come out for many of these coins that their reason to exist was ASIC resistance... don't you think people may second guess the utility of that coin?
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March 20, 2014, 05:15:34 AM |
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We are all waiting a big news from cat with a little worry...
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bitsalame
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Preaching the gospel of Satoshi
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March 20, 2014, 05:56:47 AM |
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I wonder what's going on with the late Dividend?
This is the first time that happens as far as I remember.
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willBTC
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March 20, 2014, 06:09:29 AM |
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I wonder what's going on with the late Dividend?
This is the first time that happens as far as I remember.
Maybe，Friedcat was and is busy testing the sample chips . |
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March 20, 2014, 08:56:04 AM |
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Havelock shows a price more representative of panic buying than selling, so no inside info yet, or it was good news  The Havelock action seems more like nervous selling into steady hands; we'll see the panic buying after FC's next announcement.  The div delay - could it be related to the 0.9.0 Bitcoin Core release? |
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March 20, 2014, 09:53:51 AM |
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Missing dividend linked to missing malaysia plane 100% confirmed!
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March 20, 2014, 10:12:58 AM |
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Ack Ack!
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Zubilica
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March 20, 2014, 10:28:42 AM |
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0.0003105930244 ? This may be it.
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March 20, 2014, 10:36:28 AM |
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aahzmundus
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March 20, 2014, 11:18:43 AM |
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Predicting ~0.00021868 BTC/share. Edit: ~ 0.00025965, I made a typo. XD I understand everything now... Friedcat just wanted SmiGueL to be wrong... once. |
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March 20, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
Last edit: March 20, 2014, 12:06:54 PM by SmiGueL |
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Predicting ~0.00021868 BTC/share. Edit: ~ 0.00025965, I made a typo. XD I understand everything now... Friedcat just wanted SmiGueL to be wrong... once. ^^ Whehe, I didn't expect yesterday's block to be confirmed before the div payments.  |
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March 20, 2014, 12:39:04 PM |
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You can't just take market caps, merge them together, and divide to determine what the price of a coin is. Rival is smarter then that, you have to look at liquidity and market depth.
Thank you. |
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necro_nemesis
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March 20, 2014, 01:13:27 PM |
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Havelock shows a price more representative of panic buying than selling, so no inside info yet, or it was good news Anyone examine the distribution of shares to see when the insiders have traded? |
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aahzmundus
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March 20, 2014, 03:18:14 PM |
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Furthermore; adding the market caps together is already a good indicator of the total current market value of crypto coins.
When there are no other coins, as suggested by Rival, then this value represents the potential market cap of bitcoin.
Market caps are a horrible way to assess the value of a crypto. A good portion of these coins have huge premines that are not active in the economy of the coin, but the owners sit on... that drastically distorts the value of a crypto. Just look back a few weeks ago at the charts of Auroracoin, it got to the #2 market capitalization for some time... Not only that, but not all coins are spendable. There are hundreds of thousands of bitcoins that will never move from the addresses in which they now reside... Yes, there will always be competitors, but Asicminer is in no place to try and design an ASIC for every little hashing algo some guy comes up with in his basement. Asicminer needs to continue to refine and focus their business on what is most profitable, and look to the future of the bitcoin mining industry as they have already showed they are doing. |
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March 20, 2014, 03:43:32 PM |
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Havelock shows a price more representative of panic buying than selling, so no inside info yet, or it was good news Anyone examine the distribution of shares to see when the insiders have traded? That would be an interesting analysis. |
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March 20, 2014, 04:34:28 PM |
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Furthermore; adding the market caps together is already a good indicator of the total current market value of crypto coins.
When there are no other coins, as suggested by Rival, then this value represents the potential market cap of bitcoin.
Market caps are a horrible way to assess the value of a crypto. A good portion of these coins have huge premines that are not active in the economy of the coin, but the owners sit on... that drastically distorts the value of a crypto. Just look back a few weeks ago at the charts of Auroracoin, it got to the #2 market capitalization for some time... Not only that, but not all coins are spendable. There are hundreds of thousands of bitcoins that will never move from the addresses in which they now reside... Yes, there will always be competitors, but Asicminer is in no place to try and design an ASIC for every little hashing algo some guy comes up with in his basement. Asicminer needs to continue to refine and focus their business on what is most profitable, and look to the future of the bitcoin mining industry as they have already showed they are doing. as you said yourself- horrible way to value crypto currency. when ASIC MINER started "market cap of bitcoin" was under $100 million. which is less than the value of all scrypt coins today. value of scrypt coins is much larger than bitcoin at the time of initial development. i really really wish that people STOP IGNORING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM - scrypt is LIKELY TO STAY and CAN GENERATE money. doesn't matter if you like or don't like it. even with the small possibility that they won't stay - AM can generate huge revenue is CNY, USD, LTC?, BTC until then |
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March 20, 2014, 05:17:51 PM |
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I still don't see why everyone is on about scrypt ASICs when the first priority is clearly to get gen3 finished and deployed, and then to be developing gen4 as quickly as possible. That's Asicminer's field of expertise, and it should stick to it while significant gains remain to be had in this field. Certainly before branching out into different kinds of ASICs, a higher priority should be getting a company website, some decent public and investor relations, etc.
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trilogy456
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March 20, 2014, 05:42:14 PM |
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I still don't see why everyone is on about scrypt ASICs when the first priority is clearly to get gen3 finished and deployed, and then to be developing gen4 as quickly as possible. That's Asicminer's field of expertise, and it should stick to it while significant gains remain to be had in this field. Certainly before branching out into different kinds of ASICs, a higher priority should be getting a company website, some decent public and investor relations, etc.
Good idea about a website. How about a few of us pitch in and bid on ASICMINER.COM ( https://auctions.godaddy.com/trpItemListing.aspx?miid=120115877), or another domain? We should create a dedicated site of our own at least in the midterm. If FC/ASICMINER wanted to take over the domain eventually, we could let them. Google ASICMINER or "ASIC miner" and see what you get. We could put the chip specs on the site, along with how to contact FC for purchasing. We could show the pictures of the immersion cooling setup. We could link to Havelock for people interested in purchasing shares. We could show historic hashrate charts, as well as educate about moving towards pure chip distribution. http://www.asicminercharts.com/ already has a great site for this. General links about BTC and mining. Etc. More info about ASICMINER's history and background. Show mining address. Show history/specs of their past mining hardware: Blades, USB, Cubes. I'm open to any other idea. The auction ends April 23, 2014, and currently is $60USD. We need to create our own PR for ASICMINER. |
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