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1021  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Inoue vs Tapales for Unified Super Bantamweight Title - November on: August 20, 2023, 10:19:01 AM
The question is, is this fight going to happen now?

Anyone can share any news though? it seems that we have gone off-topic with Floyd and other boxers in this thread.

Maybe everyone can see this Tapales fight here to see if he has a good chance to win,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krk0B0OeU8U

To be honest, I don't see him having a good chance of defeating Inoue. While he's undoubtedly skilled, facing Inoue, who is an exceptional and well-rounded fighter, his aggressive style might only lead to an early knockout. He'd be fortunate if he manages to land the first significant blow on Inoue, because if not, Inoue's power is likely too much to withstand.

Though Tapales is one of our own, I'm not allowing bias to affect my opinion. I'm simply expressing my honest viewpoint.

However, if it were Casimero, I believe the odds would be more evenly split.

I don't believe the odds would be evenly split. During the initial announcement of the Inoue vs. Casimero fight, which was subsequently canceled, bookies heavily favored Inoue to win. I don't expect this to change now, especially given Inoue's continued success and Casimero no longer holding the championship title. What I mean is that bookies might exaggerate Inoue's chances due to his championship accomplishments. This situation actually benefits those of us who support and believe that Casimero is capable of triumphing over Inoue.

Meanwhile, here's some news about Fulton.

Stephen Fulton moving up to 126 To Capture Title, Then Rematch Naoya Inoue.

It would be too easy for Inou then to get another belt, but the question is, can Fulton capture a title at 126?

Well that was the original plan of Fulton though before fighting Inoue, he supposedly rematch Brandon Figueroa, who become a champion at 126 lbs when he defeated Mark Magsayo.
But for unknown reasons or maybe Fulton chasing greatness, he chooses to stay at 122 lbs and defend his belt against the Monster Inoue. Full of confidence before the fight and think that he can just go to Inoue homecourt and beat his ass.
However, it was a rude awakening for Fulton as he was clearly knockout by the power of Inoue and for the first time tastes defeat. He seems though is arrogant and not acknowledge the power of Inoue and now that he wants a rematch?
No doubt that Fulton might have a good chance to beat any at 126 lbs specially if it will be Figueroa as he already dealt Brandon a L.
1022  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: August 20, 2023, 09:55:09 AM
^ We will see if Rolly Romero did have injuries or clearly ducking his mandatory in Ohara Davies.

I have to check Ohara Davies resume and boxrec though to check if indeed why Romero sense to be avoiding him (doesn't make sense), since he fought Tank Davis already, in short he has the balls so why now?

72 hours means it should be US time by Monday and by the following day we will know if he has suffered injuries or not or will be stripped of his newbly WBA belt at 140 lbs.

Most likely it's a duck to me, he has been ordered by the WBA and yet it seems that Oscar and the governing body itself can't find Rolly?
Where is he hiding now? he is a big mouth and loves media attention, you can check his videos on youtube and other interviews.
But suddenly he went MIA, and it's good that he has been given at least 72 hours to explain everything and hopefully WBA will be fair to give Ohara Davies his time and crack for the belt. It's about time that they should enforce the mandatory specially in lesser body like the WBA. In they were able to do this, then for sure they could at least have the balls to tell Rolly to defend the belt and/or push a schedule already.
1023  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Peer pressure as a substantial gambling catalyst. on: August 19, 2023, 04:23:24 PM
The Influence by friends or relatives to gamble are the common reason why gamblers are into gambling today and personally I’m also a product of this one. I remember when my friends go to the casino for the first time and I can say that he influenced me to gamble more and that is the start of my gambling journey. I believe if you are into gambling as well there’s a chance for you to adopt easily and if you are going to encourage someone into gambling, please make sure to tell everything especially the risk of losing the money.

The best thing is to not encourage other people gambling. That can possibly be a root of rift between friends, especially if the one you recruited in gambling lost a huge amount of money and they are looking for someone to blame for their mistakes. I don't let my friends or peers know that I'm gambling, and if they manage to know that I am gambling, I would steer clear from the conversation and try to talk about something else.

Yeah, in a perfect world, for sure no one in their right frame of mind are going to encourage or help people to gamble and or have their first taste of playing like in a casino whether online or offline. But in the world that we move in, there are ways to get addicted even without any peer pressure as online gaming is prevalent specially during the pandemic and now it's hard stop this gambling addiction once it sets in. And so whether we let our friends know or not, and maybe they are also thinking the same, not to let you know as well. But this is gambling, it can destroy relationship and so it's better not to teach anyone or influence them to gamble.
1024  Economy / Speculation / Re: Big surprise in mid-August - Do not panic!!! on: August 19, 2023, 04:12:40 PM
I think it's too late though, I mean there are already who sold that's why it has a domino effect on the market right now -11% in the last 7 days, ouch. But it seems that it has settled down a bit, prices going back to $26,000 and most likely those who come to their senses right now might have think that they messed up because of their panic selling.

So let's wait for this month of August to settle down, we have another 2 weeks to go and hopefully for all the glory and marbles, we can go back to $30,000 so that all are anxieties for this month will be forgotten.
1025  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: August 19, 2023, 01:52:11 PM
Joshua’s Promoter Giving Wilder Negotiations 2 To 3 Weeks Or AJ Will Fight In Nov Or Dec

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By Jake Tiernan: Eddie Hearn has put a 2 to 3-week timeframe for when he wants the Deontay Wilder fight wrapped up for Anthony Joshua’s mega-fight in January in Saudi Arabia. Hearn says if it’s not completed within two or three weeks, he could start looking for a fight for Joshua (26-3, 23 KOs) in November or December.

This is an important piece of news, and from here, we can track the progress of the negotiation. Hopefully, Wilder's camp will respond promptly and not waste time in ensuring that this significant fight will take place. What AJ's promoter is attempting to convey is their desire for an immediate response. If they can't secure an answer within that timeline, they will proceed with their business plans but with a different opponent.

If I'm not mistaken, Eddie Hearn has been talking about the Wider fight, even before Joshua was supposed to fight Whyte/Helenius. And that fight is treated as a tune up fight for Joshua and it just so happen that Helenuis got knockout and so Joshua's confidence is back at all time high.

And with that win, they are on track to have a fight with Wilder and hopefully it can happen this year or early next year.

Doubt that the Wilder fight with Ruiz is going to push as he might go directly to fight AJ in the Middle East for more money.

Here is the update of supposedly, Ruiz vs Wilder mandated fight by the WBC, and it's not happening, hehehe,

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The WBC has abandoned its prior attempt to determine a mandatory challenger for the heavyweight title.

A previously ordered Deontay Wilder-Andy Ruiz title eliminator is no longer required, the sanctioning body ruled Friday. The fight never had a chance to take place given recent events, including ongoing efforts for Wilder to next face fellow former heavyweight titlist Anthony Joshua likely early next year in the Middle East.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wbc-abandons-wilder-ruiz-final-eliminator-revisit-mandatory-process-november--177049

So it just shows how corrupt WBC and the Sulaiman,  Grin they initial ordered a fight between the Ruiz and Wilder and then later change their decision not to and allow Joshua (as he win against Helenius) to fight Wilder in the Middle East.

And for sure, as Eddie Hearn secures big money from Middle East, the Sulaiman's has a cut on it.  Grin

Ok as expected, the Andy Ruiz fight is cancelled already, its sucks that we will not see that fight between two great punchers. But again, as everyone is shouting here in this forum, boxing is a business, and with the involvement of Saudi Arabia as prime venue for boxing in the last couple of years + the huge money that Eddie Hearns' Saudi backers is willing to give him, no wonder WBC and the father and son Sulaiman is willing to do it.

So moving forward we will just have to wait for the official announcement from Hearn or whoever Wilder is represented in this negotiating table. And it's going to be a big fight as it also involves Usyk vs Fury's name here.
1026  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Jermell Charlo - September 30th in Las Vegas on: August 19, 2023, 01:42:02 PM
^^ Might be first time that we are going to see a 3 divisional and unified champion if Crawford chooses to fight the winner of the Charlo vs Canelo. But then again, if Charlo is going to move up 2 division, Crawford will have to do 3 here from 147 lbs to 168 lbs and it's a big jump that no one has done before.

So it's a big challenge for him, although I wanted to see him going for Charlo's belt 154 lbs (if he is not stripped of it fighting Canelo here). It will be extra ordinary for him to just 3 weight classes and then beat Canelo at 168 lbs.
If Crawford can pull that one successfully, it will be on the history books and that is the kind of record that could be unbeatable even if someone will try to pull that kind of move again in the future because it's not something that can be done easily. Crawford already did a history and adding another undisputed title in another division will definitely put him on the top of every boxer that has been around in the industry.

But the question is, can he pull that one off? It will be a risky one because he is still undefeated and regarding that jump, he needed to add 9 kilograms more or 11 pounds more just to get a fight against the one and only Canelo Alvarez.

Jumping in weight class is really risky, just like I said before, Roy Jones took that route going as high as Heavyweight but it took a toll on him when the tries to go down in weight as his body reacted different from a drastic weight cut.

Of course it's going to be one for the books, but if he is willing to do that and take a risk to go up and add from a super welterweight to super middleweight, it will be one hard to break and that is one record that will not be broken for a long time.
1027  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Oscar Valdez vs Emmanuel Navarette - Aug 12 on: August 19, 2023, 01:21:53 PM
As been expected the fight will be exciting and both will survive because they're Mexican, congratulations for Navarette and nice try for Valdez. I think Valdez's boxing career is already near to end as he can't win against a champion, he only fight for 1-2 in a year. Valdez has a stamina, but he's just not good enough and he's already quite old, he will improving too much even he will train more harder.

I agree with you mate, seems that he is due for retirement already. He got Naverette in the chin a few times but somehow it didn't bother the latter so that means his power is fading already and like you said, he can't win in a championship fight so better for him to retire. I don't know if there is a rematch clause on this one and if indeed there is, better if Valdez won't exercise it.

I doubt Valdez will retire right away. He just lost to the better man. Valdez landed huge power shots at Navarette that are capable of knocking out any guys in the division. It's just that Navarette is not only heavy-handed but has a very tough chin and a thick skin as I can't find any cut or bruise in his face.

I'd still favor Valdez to win over WBA champion Hector Luis Garcia and IBF champion Joe Cordina. Maybe it's 50/50 against the WBC champion O'Shaquie Foster. So there are still a lot of good fights left for Valdez before retiring. As for Navarette, he wants to unify his belt and there are also some rumors about a potential match-up against Shakur Stevenson who's already campaigning 1 division north.

I would love to see unification fights for this division to have an undisputed champion. I believe Navarrette would be the favorite now but the other networks are the main hurdle if they allow their underdogs to fight someone from a rival network with a huge potential of losing.

Yep, I do agree, it's easy to conclude that at this point of his career, he should retire, although he really took a lot in his last fight with Navarette. But his first lost was really devastating against Shakur as it looks like he took Valdez soul that night. And it could be his best change to redeem himself and win another belt against Navarrete.

And with that I also agree that he can beat Joe Cordina and Luis Garcia. But it might be different against a slick fighter in Foster.

But let's see, hopefully he won't consider retiring. Might be needing just a tune up fight again before chasing for belts again.
1028  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: August 18, 2023, 05:04:12 PM
Joshua’s Promoter Giving Wilder Negotiations 2 To 3 Weeks Or AJ Will Fight In Nov Or Dec

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By Jake Tiernan: Eddie Hearn has put a 2 to 3-week timeframe for when he wants the Deontay Wilder fight wrapped up for Anthony Joshua’s mega-fight in January in Saudi Arabia. Hearn says if it’s not completed within two or three weeks, he could start looking for a fight for Joshua (26-3, 23 KOs) in November or December.

This is an important piece of news, and from here, we can track the progress of the negotiation. Hopefully, Wilder's camp will respond promptly and not waste time in ensuring that this significant fight will take place. What AJ's promoter is attempting to convey is their desire for an immediate response. If they can't secure an answer within that timeline, they will proceed with their business plans but with a different opponent.

If I'm not mistaken, Eddie Hearn has been talking about the Wider fight, even before Joshua was supposed to fight Whyte/Helenius. And that fight is treated as a tune up fight for Joshua and it just so happen that Helenuis got knockout and so Joshua's confidence is back at all time high.

And with that win, they are on track to have a fight with Wilder and hopefully it can happen this year or early next year.

Doubt that the Wilder fight with Ruiz is going to push as he might go directly to fight AJ in the Middle East for more money.
1029  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Inoue vs Tapales for Unified Super Bantamweight Title - November on: August 18, 2023, 04:51:49 PM
Since there's no new update yet regarding the fight, let's discuss what Bob Arum said about his fighter Inoue, who he believes is probably better than Pacquiao.

What does he mean by that? Does he mean they have achieved more so far at the same age or division, or does he believe that Inoue would be able to surpass the success of Pacman? Many experts believe that there's a very slim chance that someone in the current generation would surpass what Pacman has achieved. So, if Inoue is special, he might be able to prove the experts wrong.

One advantage Inoue has over Pacman at the current age is that Inoue is still undefeated. However, if we compare the quality of opponents they have faced, I think Pacquiao has fought more challenging opponents than Inoue.

Perhaps what he meant that in terms of skills and most likely the power, Inoue could be better than Pacquiao. The thing with Manny though is that he really push himself to be great, meaning he is just a one dimensional fighter, but when he was trained by Roach, he uses his right hand effectively.

But in terms of popularity, no doubt that Manny can fill in live gates whoever he faces, have records in the top 10 as far as PPV numbers is, number 1 to be exact when he fought Floyd and I doubt that anyone can break that numbers in the next 50 years.
1030  Economy / Speculation / Re: what a surprise dip on: August 18, 2023, 04:41:03 PM
I got notified few minutes ago on the sudden drop of -11 % bitcoin price and I also noticed same thing also affected other altcoin, while in a post they said of price surging within 72hrs that is to say that from now till 20 August we might see a potential Green and may cross above 30k within the next 3 days.

But to my surprise seeing that bitcoin already gone below the predicted price, although I can't still argue the fact that price can be manipulative and something positive could hit the market and, instantaneously changes direction just as it did happen now. Such effect could like happened to bitcoin and the price might dip more or surge more.

What is possibly to happen in the market, more dip that's seeing below 20k or something similar?
And is this another sign for bear market?

I guess this is a lessons for us, there will be a time that we might see a huge dip that is unexpected of the market, just like what we are seeing in the last 2 days or so. We thought that everything is good although we trade in a sideways patterns.

But nevertheless, the price suddenly goes on a downward spiral and we can't pinpoint what is the exact reasons.

There could be FUD around the Chinese news or Elon Musk but it is all speculations for now.
1031  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Inoue vs Tapales for Unified Super Bantamweight Title - November on: August 17, 2023, 07:57:12 PM

That's the only criticism leveled at Inoue, despite him being a great boxer. I read an article stating that Floyd wants to see Inoue fight in the US. This country offers better opportunities for boxers like him, and he could also find better challengers in a larger market. I suppose he needs to accept that challenge to silence those who believe Inoue's victories are due to his fights being mainly in Japan.

I've also come across rumors about Inoue potentially fighting Tank Davis at a catch weight. I think that could be lucrative for both fighters. However, the question remains, do both of them see this as an opportunity?

Maybe if Inoue wins some big-time knockout like he did against his last opponent in the US will probably raise his status among boxers and eventually, he will be invited to fight in the Middle East as well which we know the amount of the payment is hard to resist at all. As for fighting Tank Davis, it could be the best challenge for both of them since they are now at their prime and to miss this legendary fight would be a total waste because we have never seen such two fighters be able to come across again in both eras. now is the time to fight after they are finished with one fight because that's just how they are right now, easily winning fights and getting those belts easily as well.

He has done it before, so I don't think he needs to have a knockout like he did against Fulton, he beat Nonito by 2 round knockout. He beat Butler to get the last of the belt in the bantamweight division. The current bantamweight IBF champion Emmanuel Rodriguez, he beat him by knockout that he quit while on the canvass. So he doesn't need to have another knockout reel to get his name. It's just a matter of how Bob Arum will promote it, but so far it seems that his Japanese counterpart has control of Inoue's career in my opinion as Arum can't bring Inoue to fight in the US.

Yes, I do agree, Stephen Espinoza said in an interview that it's possible to have Inoue vs Davis fight as it is just 2 weight class (like Charlo moving up to challenge Canelo Alvarez). But we will see, just like Manny does before, maybe Inoue can go up in weight and fight the best.
1032  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Jermell Charlo - September 30th in Las Vegas on: August 17, 2023, 07:19:51 PM
Here is the Los Angeles face-off between the two fighters, this is mega fight so it's going to be big fight,



So two undisputed boxers here, Charlo says that he will beat Canelo, so we will see. Hype has started already for this superfight.

I cannot wait for this fight to happen. I still believe that Canelo will return to his old beast form since he is more motivated to train harder against a fellow undisputed. Charlo may possess the skills and power that enabled him to become undisputed at 154 but he is moving up 2 divisions north. Canelo will be too big come fight night and he will continue to march forward to get a stoppage. And Jermell does not have enough power to make Canelo reluctant to come forward.

After this fight, Jermell said he will return to 154 and defend his remaining 3 belts against Terrence Crawford. Win or lose to Canelo I'm still doubtful about his plan of dropping back in weight. If he gets KO'd by Canelo then Bud will also demolish him at 154.

Yes, and we have seen boxers like Roy Jones Jr, who went as high as HW division to win a belt and then go back to 168 - 175 lbs and he wasn't the same anymore. And this could happen to Charlo as well, win or lose if he cuts back to 2 weight class down after fighting as high as 168 lbs, could have a devastating effect on his body.

But of course, we want him and Crawford at 154 lbs and there has been a lot of trash talking between this two party at the Spence vs Crawford fight. So it's going to be exciting for Charlo to lay down his 3 belts against Bud.
1033  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: August 17, 2023, 07:03:55 PM
It seems that Oscar wanted to go to legal actions here:

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The Hall of Fame former six-division titlist is prepared to take legal action to protect the rights of England’s Ohara Davies, the top-rated WBA junior welterweight contender who Golden Boy Promotions signed earlier this spring. Davies was named mandatory challenger to current titlist Rolando ‘Rolly’ Romero, for which a purse bid hearing was indefinitely postponed as the sanctioning body will review medical documents provided on July 21 by Romero’s team.

https://www.boxingscene.com/de-la-hoya-demands-answers-threatens-legal-action-enforce-romero-davies-wba-mandatory-title-fight--177011

He wanted to have his bod, Ohara Davies to fight current WBA 140 lbs champion in Rolly Romero. But it seems there is a delay from the governing body to issue a mandatory fight and Oscar is eager for the WBA to give it to them. It was ordered already that a fight is to be made and maybe this is the contention of Oscar that's why he goes on legal actions to forced WBA to commit to it.

He has the right, and I believe he knows himself well enough to expect a victory in this battle. Furthermore, there's money at stake in this championship fight. Not only that, if his fighter defeats Rolly, it will open up even bigger opportunities for them to maximize their earnings. So, if I understand it correctly, there's a delay in the fight; it's not completely canceled yet. Oscar's camp simply wants to ensure that the fight will happen by setting a specific date.

For a businessman like him, waiting for nothing is just a wasted opportunity, so he wants to enforce what is due to happen.

Sometimes you really need to think about what Oscar is doing for boxing, perhaps he wanted to set up the good fight like the Garcia vs Davis. But it could hurt himself in the long run if we talk about business. If I'm not mistaken, he also has some issues with Ryan or his handlers and he is going to court as well to settle it.

And now he is going against the governing bodies itself and try to challenge them in court as well. So it could be bad for Oscar and his business, but good for his boxers to have this kind of opportunities to become a champion.
1034  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Jermell Charlo - September 30th in Las Vegas on: August 14, 2023, 09:12:34 AM
     

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Thanks.

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

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I doubt that Canelo can go lower than 168 lbs though if they go for a catchweight. It will be draining for him as he is used to his weight and as we all know what when we grow older, we are bound to really gain weight so I don't think that catchweight is possible here.

So it's on Jermell side to really accept the fight or not. And in this case he is willing to go up in weight so we can say that the weight could not be an issue.

And it's interesting what I read that Canelo is targeting the twins, it was supposedly Jermall in this fight but his 154 lbs twin Jermell step up and take his spot. But if Canelo wins, it is said that he is going to fight Jermall the 160 lbs champion at 168 lbs.

The fact that this bout already materialized means that Charlo is eager and confident enough to go up in weight and skip some weight class just to fight Canelo at the latter's own dominant weight class. Not sure what he thinks by the way because I don't see any reasons why should I side him on this path or bet with him because he even pursued this fight without having any warm up for his inactivity.

For me, this is just a money fight and Charlo was already tired waiting for someone that can give him a competitive paycheck that is why he is now going to fight Canelo at 168 even if it that will mean that he will be stripped of his WBO or is it WBC and a possible lose as well.

Yes, and sometimes it's going to be an excuse if they lost because of weight issues like rehydration clause by the camp of Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia or even Spence who says that 147 lbs for him doesn't feel right.

But in this case it's very different, but still though, maybe in the end Charlo will say that it's too much for him to jump 2 weight class. But he has agreed with the terms though so hopefully there will be no excuses after he lost the fight here.

I totally think that Charlo has the disadvantage of weight class here. 14 pounds is way too big a difference and that will obviously be one of the main reasons why Charlo will go down. Although if they were both in the same weight class, then I might even give Charlo the benefit of the doubt and say that he could take Canelo, just from looking at his fierce fighting history. If he was smart enough to admit that then he would not go for such an unbalanced fight. But I think that Charlo might be a bit stubborn, so I doubt he will admit that he is biting too far above his weight class.

His naivety or arrogance is what I am going to be counting on. Easy bet.
Although I doubt that Charlo will be making pathetic excuses if he even were to lose.

I didn't say that he has a advantage in this fight, but the fact that he accepts the challenge and thinks that he has a chance to bet this Canelo in his best weight although he could have been in a lot of wear and tear, says something about this Charlo twins.

And yeah, this could be arrogance in their side. This has been their persona though, and even if he lost a fight before to Tony Harrison, they insist that they have won that fight. Give credit to him though for the rematch as he get back his title. But sometimes when you lost, you are going to be humbled and I think Canelo will bring pain again to Jermell Charlo at 168 lbs.
1035  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: August 14, 2023, 08:27:59 AM

It looks like Eddie Hearn is really Hyping and manipulating the fight by saying that Robert Helenius is a dangerous opponent for Anthony Joshua, for sure he is saying something like this to just hype the fight but the funny thing is if he is not really hyping the fight then he doesn't know what he is saying and it is clear that the Netizens already know what will be the result of this fight but surely Robert Helenius is the only one that has confirms as a replacement for this fight but surely maybe there is a much good one instead of Helenius but surely Robert Helenius surely needs money for him as a replacement,

Surely Robert Helenius is no match for Anthony Joshua, in this fight, you can see the technicality in Joshua's movements in conditioning Helenius where the jab will go and trapping him and pressuring Helenius in the ropes for that feint switching his punches on Robert Helenius Face or Body, surely a very bright Anthony Joshua in this event, he didn't do anything crazy this time and he is very solid towards the fight, and it was really reassuring that he's really going to win this fight for sure,


It was a clear Hyping of Eddie Hearn for saying that Robert Helenius will be dangerous against Anthony Joshua which is not the thing we have seen because Anthony Joshua destroyed Helenius with a single punch, a technical knockout from Anthony Joshua for sure Anthony Joshua is now using feints for sure it was a great fight for Anthony Joshua but it was not well received by many because they probably know that Anthony Joshua will surely win this even though the fight hasn't started yet,


That same figure might not be that likely anymore because people already know what would happen in that fight and it is already expected as well that it will be a short fight because we know that Nate will dominate Jake Paul in a way that he will not expect it. But a $2 Million fight for Nate on their rematch will be a disrespect, Jake Paul is not that kind of fool who will give him that figure as a guaranteed money because if it weren't because of Nate, those figures are not likely.

Yup! It will not be going to be the same figures as their 1st fight but surely the next fight is MMA, so it does not have the same revenue as boxing fights, but surely both fighters agreed that they will have another fight, and this time for sure Dana White wants to produce and handle the fight between Jake Paul And Nate Diaz, but surely they don't really want anyone to help them manage an MMA fight, but maybe there will be a different combat sports to help this settle an MMA fight,

Usually though, if there is a call for a rematch, it's because the fans wanted to see more of the action and that they are not satisfied of the first time. So it's possible that the money will still be there for Nate or even get much higher than the first fight. And for sure as a organizer, Jake Paul knows this, and that if he wanted to more more money and to let Nate says "yes" again, he will have to match or offer him higher that the first offer. And the thing is that there are fans who are willing to buy expensive tickets and that's why Jake Paul and his company are capitalizing it eventhough we have a lot of great pro fights as of late and seems the sports is already in the normal state. And with that I guess exhibition match like this by Jake Paul will continue.
1036  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Inoue vs Tapales for Unified Super Bantamweight Title - November on: August 14, 2023, 08:12:35 AM
@bbc.reporter - Yeah, I do agree that even at 122 lbs and winning all the belts, it will not be enough for him to be one of the best. He needs to go up in weight just like what Manny did during his prime 126 lbs and higher, he might face stiffer opponents. But that's where it will separate him from the rest of his contemporaries. If he could go up in weight and win more belts then maybe the comparison with Manny will start and really make some noise. Specially that Manny has taken notice already, but not sure if Pacquiao is willing to work with him though. Most likely Pacquiao will give him pointers and that's it. I might believed if Inoue is Filipino, but Inoue is not so I guess the comparison stops there.
1037  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Rodriguez vs Lopez - vacant IBF bantamweight (Aug. 13) on: August 13, 2023, 05:06:47 PM
The bookers that put the odds knows that Rodriguez have good chances of winning the fight due to his experience in boxing. I wasn't surprise that he won the fight because he is the most favourite and have the capacity to win Lopez. I was happy to see him dominate the fight and also won the fight on the 12th round but I didn't expect this fight to reach that round. Maybe,I underestimated Lopez. Rodriguez is currently the IBF champion.

This is championship fight so obviously fighters will do everything to stay on the game for as long as they can and not being knockout. At least they have a fighting chance as we all know that in boxing, just a single punch will change the complexion of the fight.

However, Lopez wasn't lucky to land that punch because Rodriguez had him several times in trouble and even knock him down several times in the last round. Now Rodriguez can be call a 118 lbs champion again and there are no upset.
1038  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Jermell Charlo - September 30th in Las Vegas on: August 13, 2023, 04:44:13 PM
     

Canelo Alvarez’s next fight had been rumoured to be Jermall Charlo, but instead it is twin brother Jermell Charlo facing the Mexican on September 30; Canelo is the undisputed world champion at super-middleweight, with Jermell jumping up two weight divisions from super-welterweight

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12912747/canelo-alvarez-to-face-jermell-charlo-in-undisputed-las-vegas-showdown-on-september-30

If anybody sees odds for the fight please share in the thread.

Thanks.

Mike Tyson himself had something to say about this fight. He seems to believe that Jermall Charlo is going to lose this fight and that Canelo Alvarez will easily beat him, without much of a struggle. Charlo said "Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson — he could say whatever he wants". But I think that the winner is going to be obvious here and Mike, with his years of expert experience, saw it coming. Sure Charlo had a good rise from his weight division but he is still not ready for Alvarez. Ambition combined with pure and unadulterated willpower alone cannot win fights for very long.

I guess we don't need to be a Mike Tyson so see who is going to win this fight. I mean, Charlo is good at 154 lbs, but this is a totally different league for him at 168 lbs and this is the best weight class for Canelo Alvarez.

14 lbs is too huge of a difference.  A tough 168 lbs fighting a  154 lbs even if this 154 lbs is a heavy hitter does not need any special ability to see who is at the advantage.  Even if we consider Charlo's punching power is devastating at 154 lbs, he is fighting a tough opponent that can absorb heavy punches from light heavyweight opponent.  And they are fighting at the most comfortable division of Canelo.  So almost all odds are against Charlo.  Even speed is against Charlo on this because adding more weight will hamper is agility.


Might be more reasonable if this bout is catchweight but it isn't and that will really give Canelo an advantage in this fight because Jermell will have to face a lot of difficulties before he can reach Canelo's division and after that it's not yet over because he then will have to face a natural 168 lbs. boxer which is an added difficulty to him. Not sure how would this fight go for him but I know that it will always favor Canelo without a doubt.

I doubt that Canelo can go lower than 168 lbs though if they go for a catchweight. It will be draining for him as he is used to his weight and as we all know what when we grow older, we are bound to really gain weight so I don't think that catchweight is possible here.

So it's on Jermell side to really accept the fight or not. And in this case he is willing to go up in weight so we can say that the weight could not be an issue.

And it's interesting what I read that Canelo is targeting the twins, it was supposedly Jermall in this fight but his 154 lbs twin Jermell step up and take his spot. But if Canelo wins, it is said that he is going to fight Jermall the 160 lbs champion at 168 lbs.

The fact that this bout already materialized means that Charlo is eager and confident enough to go up in weight and skip some weight class just to fight Canelo at the latter's own dominant weight class. Not sure what he thinks by the way because I don't see any reasons why should I side him on this path or bet with him because he even pursued this fight without having any warm up for his inactivity.

For me, this is just a money fight and Charlo was already tired waiting for someone that can give him a competitive paycheck that is why he is now going to fight Canelo at 168 even if it that will mean that he will be stripped of his WBO or is it WBC and a possible lose as well.

Yes, and sometimes it's going to be an excuse if they lost because of weight issues like rehydration clause by the camp of Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia or even Spence who says that 147 lbs for him doesn't feel right.

But in this case it's very different, but still though, maybe in the end Charlo will say that it's too much for him to jump 2 weight class. But he has agreed with the terms though so hopefully there will be no excuses after he lost the fight here.
1039  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Oscar Valdez vs Emmanuel Navarette - Aug 12 on: August 13, 2023, 04:24:53 PM
The scorecard did not reflect the excitement of the fight, watching the fight from start to end I'm convinced that Navarette won the match proves why he is called a volume puncher, Navarette throws over 1000 punches not even half of what Valdez has thrown, Valdez's face is badly swollen compared to Navarette who just take every power punch Valdez thrown.
Navarette should eye Shakur for a much bigger paycheck and legacy fight, I'm sure it will attract a lot of attention for these two fighters decide to square inside the ring.

And it didn't live to the hype of a Mexican war as it was just a one sided beating. The length of Navarette really causes a big problem on Valdez and he wasn't able to solved that. Although he had his moments, but the chin of Navarette is well tested that even Oscar best shot has no effect to Navarette.

And with that win, there's no more challenges for Navarette to stay at 130 lbs. Unless Shakur is willing to go down to 130 lbs again. But he has been eyeing 135 lbs and a fight with Haney or even Loma. So I don't think that it's going to be wise decision for Shakur to fight Navarette. Unless Navarette is willing to go up to 135 lbs because it seems that he can do it.
1040  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing: Anthony Joshua vs Robert Helenius (replacement) on: August 13, 2023, 04:11:37 PM

Eddie Hearn mentioned that he has some fights lined up for AJ, and he even mentioned Tyson Fury? I don't understand. How is it possible to include a champion when AJ isn't even a champion or a mandatory challenger to a champion? I think he should first get past Deontay Wilder, and then maybe we can discuss him fighting Fury.

Furthermore, there's no confirmed winner yet in a potential fight between Usyk and Fury. If Usyk were to emerge victorious, it would disrupt all the plans that Eddie Hearn had put in place.
It may not be as exciting as 5 years ago but it will still generate interest if Wilder and Joshua decide to make a deal, both fighters are hungry to get back on top, one will go down the other will go up to challenge either Fury or Usyk, I think Joshua is ready to take Wilder and so is Wilder, it's not the time for both fighters to be hesitant to fight each other as they badly need a big win to get on top again, and besides they are both even.

That fight, Wilder vs Joshua has been brewing for years, when they are still very hot and has the belt and no losses at all. But still though, there could still be hype around this fight even if they have gotten losses already specially Joshua.

But if in any case this version of Joshua shows against Wilder, I'm not sure if he can overcome the Bronze Bomber. Joshua's chin is not the same anymore, it has been broken many times already and if Wilder touches that, for sure he will go down.

Talking about this fight though, Joshua could somewhat regain that cockiness in him winning by knockout but it won't help him when he deals with Wilder next as it is the plan.
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