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1081  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Binance.com to re-enable EUR deposits/withdrawals on: October 20, 2023, 01:59:19 PM
If I give my BTC to a P2P seller within Binance he can pay me on an outside service. Likewise if I buy BTC within Binance.com P2P I pay to an outside service. EUR within Binance isn't transferable from user to user anyway due to regulatory reasons. So it's not possible to fund your EUR balance at a binance.com account with P2P.

Bruh, I give up, seriously!  Grin
Oshosondy asked simply:

Without the euro deposit and withdrawal, but people in the countries that spend euro can still make use of P2P to transfer euro and crypto within themselves using the Binance exchange?

They can, because they don't need Binance, just like all these guys are doing right now:
https://p2p.binance.com/en/trade/SEPA/BTC?fiat=EUR

There is and there was never a need to fund your Binance account with EURO to do a P2P deal! Never!


1082  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How much money can you make by investing in Bitcoin? on: October 20, 2023, 01:12:31 PM
Is investing in Bitcoin easy or complicated? Is it possible to achieve success by investing in Bitcoin? The main thing is how one can earn if he invests in Bitcoin and if he stays for a long time.

It's about 100 times easier than merit farming!

I don't have any bitcoins and don't know how to acquire it.

So let me get this right:
You don't own a single satoshi
You don't know how to even buy some satoshi
Yet despite the above you at no point have asked how to buy Bitcoins or help in acquiring it but went straight to the money making!

Bitcoin investment is very easy and straightforward. Just buy and hold!

Just like a perpetuum mobile, right?  Grin


1083  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Binance.com to re-enable EUR deposits/withdrawals on: October 20, 2023, 01:01:57 PM
As of why P2P wouldn't work, well... It's pretty simple to understand why. With Binance P2P you can pay someone to buy your crypto (or sell crypto to you) with alternstive payment methods. But without a FIAT payment partner Binance has no legal avenue to accept FIAT funds in any way. So instead of creating a supply vaccum of useless EUR deposited in the exchange they completely disabled EUR markets for the regions affected. The alternative would be Binance going rogue and accepting payment methods to accept EUR that are not regulated. But Binance wants to do things at scale and that wouldn't work for its users in Europe who are KYC'd anyway.

Bruh, it's P2P!
I don't deposit the euro to Binance I deposit it to the other guy's euro account.

So if Rikafip and I who are both EU citizens would make an exchange :
- Rikafip would deposit the coins to Binance, create the sell order, give me his ING account, and wait for me
- I would make a transfer from my Erste bank to his ING account and send him the payment details
- He gets the money in his bank account, he releases the escrow

At no point, there is a Euro transfer involving Binance's bank accounts!

From Binance's own website:

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You need to transfer the payment directly to the seller through a bank transfer or other third-party payment platforms based on the seller's payment information.

1084  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Consolidating UTXOs in wallets. on: October 20, 2023, 12:52:25 PM
Am I the only one who uses coin control as the default option? Whenever I want to make a payment, I start by selecting the UTXOs I wish to spend. There are lots of reasons you should do this over automatic selection. Privacy is the biggest one, as has been discussed already. I want to spend specific UTXOs for specific things, and I definitely don't want my wallet automatically consolidating UTXOs I don't want spent together.

Coin control has same limitations depending on the user profile.
I use multiple wallets, the one I'm doing only deposits has no problem with it as I spend the entire output, makes no difference if I want to play around with $200 for a few bets on some Ascot festival or F1 circuit and I deposit $217, on that wallet I can safely control the coins perfectly.

But on my other messy wallet I use to buy cheap small things and pay vps and vpn subs, I end up with so many and so tiny outputs they are unusable, I batched them last week and 3 or 4 of them would have been a loss over 5sat/b Cheesy

That aside I don't understand the privacy thing in this so-called conjoin.
Outputs a1,a2,a3,a4 which are let's suppose known are being consolidated into b1 2b b3, calling b1 a decoy...
How is that different from sending a1,a2,a3,a4 to c1 and then splitting that for payments?

If we assume ax are known everyone can see the trail of the coins, there is no privacy whatsoever, you could have just sent each output a1>b1, a2>b2 and then consolidated those it would have set the same level of privacy, which is approximately zero.

Isn't coin control obsolete thanks to advancements in coinjoin technology?  When I make a transaction, there's no labels necessary because any coins being spent are completely isolated from other transactions I did.

However they aren't at all in your example, there is a simple one tx link between them!

You are wrong, a mixer is a trusted third party, they do not provide you privacy.  The instances of mixers stealing their users confirm this fact, with the end result of having their users' transaction history given to government agencies: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/how-authorities-found-bitfinex-bitcoin

Mixers are not offering some complete secrecy, they are used to break the links, if you're not stupid enough to, quoting from your article:

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Lichtenstein would often open up accounts on bitcoin exchanges with fictitious identities. In one specific case, he allegedly opened eight accounts on a single exchange (Poloniex, according to Ergo), which at first were seemingly unrelated and not trivially linkable. However, all of those accounts shared multiple characteristics that, according to the complaint, gave the couple’s identity away.
First, all of the Poloniex accounts used the same email provider based in India and had “similarly styled” email addresses

The complaint also alleges that Lichtenstein joined multiple bitcoin withdrawals together from different Poloniex accounts into a single Bitcoin wallet cluster, after which he deposited into an account at a bitcoin exchange (Coinbase, according to Ergo), for which he had previously provided know-your-customer (KYC) information

However, the article also mentions:

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There is also no record of using mixing services by the couple, which can’t erase past activity, but can provide good forward-looking privacy if done correctly.

Which is exactly the opposite of your claim!
1085  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Binance Founder CZ said that, Copy trading now live on Binance. on: October 20, 2023, 12:31:56 PM
I seriously need to check my bookmarks more often

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In my early trader days I was myself active on a copytrading platform (1Broker, which unfortunately does no longer exist).
Almost all successful traders there bet on BTC/USD. These traders rely on very high leverage so that these high profit percentages can be achieved. As a result, 2-5% became 20 to 50% relatively quickly ... or -20 to -50% ... which unfortunately happened quite often.

The traders were also awarded a certain percentage of the profits of their followers on this platform, but the minimum stake of a trade was very high at 0.25 BTC at that time (~2017), so that only people who owned a lot of BTC were actually active there.

2017 was the year in which if you had bought in January and sold in December you would have gained 13x just by holding.
I would be more interested in somebody who made money in $ term in a period like 2022, including his holdings, I always said that a true trader is one that manages during a bear market to keep all his assets at least to the same value. So if you have made 2BTC in that period but your total asset worth has dropped day half, from 10BTC worth 400k you now have 12BTC worth 240k then you're not a good trader at all.

I think it's going to be worse than that. Traders will open 10 accounts, go for riskiest returns on tiny amounts (or even wash trade between themselves to sacrifice bankroll on alts to get huge profits). Post these 100% weekly gains. Hypnotize the sheep and rake in the commissions. If he profits even 10% people will stay. If he loses, people will also stay waiting for the 100% to hit again Wink

I expect manipulation to be on a rampage there too.
Accounts filling themselves half with newbies' accounts to gain trust, playing with highly manipulated shady tokens to get the tempting % return only to out of the blue screw all the user base by dumping some pair into the groud or pumping some low-value token at the right time to close some position on a different exchange.
10 accounts filling 1/3 of their limit would mean 1000 accounts, trick them into playing ~1000 and you can at the right time with the right average make x10 times more.

Of course, it takes time, it takes money, it takes knowledge but just wait!

Now leaving the manipulation and scamming aside, what's the protection in case your trader has a nervous breakdown cause his girlfriend left him and he, full of anger says screw that and opens intentionally some money-losing pairs and positions?

I have to admit that CZ is a very smart individual, he knows what likes people, he knows their psychology, he knows how to make money, he knows what he does!

So drug dealers, just saying Wink!


1086  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Binance.com to re-enable EUR deposits/withdrawals on: October 20, 2023, 12:12:08 PM
How exactly it became much easier? From what I understand, these new partners will replace Paysafe who was a payment gateway for them and as far as I know, they didn't have anything to do with Binance debit card. 

Easier to current not easier than what we had available two months ago!
Anyhow, I wouldn't get my hopes up:


https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/10/19/binance-says-it-has-onboarded-new-euro-fiat-partners-for-deposits-withdrawals/


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The company has signed agreements with "a number of new regulated and authorized fiat partners" to provide EUR services for its users in Europe, according to a Binance blog post.The company did not name the new service providers in the email or in the blog post. Binance spokespersons didn't reply immediately to a request for comment.

Common, why the secrets, they probably have some shady deals to date an dare still waiting to find a better one probably, that's why they keep the names a secret, probably some Gibraltar or Cyprus based things that will crash in a year.


The FIAT partner Binance.com has is the only way to deposit and withdraw EUR in Binance. If the FIAT payment partner drops Binance then European users will have no way to transact with EUR inside Binance at all. EUR markets are closed to European users, deposits and withdrawals are closed and you can't even deposit via P2P. This time when paysafe (previous partner) dropped Binance, EUR in binance.com was set to reduce only i.e. only withdraw or spend.


Why would p2p be affected?
Isn't p2p between users, so if I can send a payment via SEPA to your personal account why would I still be affected by paysafe issues?
P2P is supposed to work between the user's banks with Binance as an escrow for coins, don't see what the issue could be!

1087  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: YoMix warning on: October 19, 2023, 01:50:17 PM
@OP I'm sorry to say this, but it's really stupid if you link mixed coins to centralized exchange because centralized exchange will never want to accept sources from a mixer.

I've send mixed coins by mistake to Bitstamp, there was another CM campaign user that did so just like me without a problem, I think another one sent them to Biannce and yet we have no issues with it even after CM was taken down.
It ala comes down to the mixer, the sum of funds, and the user, if you're a guy who just deposited $100 a month and then you're spending $30k obviously you're going to trigger flag but for small sums with the correct mixing, nobody is going to give you any headaches.

Oddly enough in the end using unorthodox methods like withdrawing from an exchange makes for better and also much cheaper mixing..  

How do you get the funds there in the first place?
That's what OP tried and got into the troubles were seeing!

There's still plenty of exchanges that don't require any form of documentation for "Know Your Customer" regulations if you're dealing with crypto-only transactions.

And we have hundreds of stories from these no KYC exchanges that suddenly decide your funds are suspicious and ask you for every single possible document, knowing all to well you will not be able to provide them and just freeze your coins. To whom are you going to complain? File a report against a company in Cayman Island or Bahamas?  Wink

I sold an old laptop to a friend for cash. I used the cash to pay a builder who was doing some work for me, and he disappeared without completing the job. Therefore, beware of selling things to my friend! Huh
I traded cash for bitcoin using Bisq. A scammer on Telegram then convinced me to send them my bitcoin and I lost everything. Therefore, beware of using Bisq! Huh

Lol, you got me there for a moment I didn't realize it was an example and I was like wtf, o_e_l_e_o getting scammed over telegram?  Roll Eyes
1088  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: bitcoin hash cracking help please on: October 19, 2023, 01:28:55 PM
I would like to give clues about the old wallet and the 12-year-old password, but this is not possible.

People are simply asking what's your problem as the whole "hash" thing is ambiguous, not about giving a clue about what you used as a password or how many bitcoins you have! Simple, why can't you access it, you have forgotten the password, yes or no?
You need that pass cracked?

Also, since I've seen enough cases, it's your wallet, right? Cause if you bought a file online, I can assure you there are no coins there at all.
1089  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Error or scam with Bitcoin ETF news? on: October 19, 2023, 08:35:20 AM
It is truly unfortunate that there are those who have been reported to have lost large sums of money as a result of the spread of false news, as it was announced that one of the whales lost $49,000 worth of money after he bought 20.5 bitcoins at a price of $613,201 and then quickly sold it less than 10 minutes later for barely $563,970.

Another example of the reason why I say trading is gambling, you basically trade on gambling on the effects and if the news is true at all, and when your whole thing is based on twitter posts, then look a the outcome.
It's kind of ironic traders all the time talk about TA and all the indicators and then at the first instance, they get recked by a tweet.

Anyhow surprised it was Cointelegraph and not bitcoin magazine, if it were for the latter probably all the ETH would have been approved and the US would have adopted BTC, for them it's all fake news and I doubt they would even understand how to blow something real out of proportion since everything they report is fake garbage.



 

1090  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Ledger's laying off employees. Thoughts? on: October 18, 2023, 01:28:21 PM
I can guess they already got rid of everyone in marketing:

Got this yesterday, Oct 17, 2023:


But, one has to appreciate the honesty, right ?!

In case the picture is too small, the way they arranged the words it reads like:

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0
Ledger Nanos have never been hacked
since they were launched
1091  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Help this time with a personal situation on: October 18, 2023, 01:08:40 PM
According to Google, it's 145.83 dollars. Why did you divide by 12?
Google also shows the minimum wage is 2100, and the average is 4000 CUP. I guess the cost of living is also a lot lower than most countries.

Google shows official data that is basically useless, a clear example of this was Venezuela and lately, Iran, when everyone stopped using government data and used black market rates their wages went down the drain in foreign currency.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/cubans-struggle-peso-loses-half-its-value-year-informal-market-2023-08-02/

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HAVANA, Aug 2 (Reuters) - The Cuban peso was trading on the informal market at an all-time low of 230 to the dollar on Wednesday, slumping to half its value a year ago as consumers struggle with surging inflation and scarce goods, a widely watched tracker showed.

so the minimum wage is around ~$10 and the average is lower than $20.

If eggs would be that expensive, I'd eat something else. I still don't get it though: hatching chickens is no rocket science. If someone has a a few hens and a rooster, they'll basically multiply themselves and eat whatever they can find.

I knew I heard that somewhere else:
Let Them Eat Rabbit
1092  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Stainless steel or Titanium on: October 18, 2023, 12:23:00 PM
The reason why most users recommend steel instead of the rest is because of the cost of getting them.

You can get a plate big enough for your seed phrase from Amazon for $20
https://www.amazon.com/Titanium-Sheets/b?ie=UTF8&node=11260343011
remember you need to keep it as light and as small as possible to be able to hide it!

It's just that people like to level materials as the only ones good for something and stick to it or use a misleading term for it, like when talking about concrete and cement or iron and steel, so normally when average Joe talks about a metal he says steel, despite in a lot of cases not being stainless steel at all.

The harder material, Titanium in this case requires a different type of processing, certainly and more expensive. Well, the seed phrase engraving itself can cost significantly more compared to the same print on "ordinary" stainless steel.

Titanium is just 6 on the Mohs scale, any cheap metal engraving pen will do the job, if we talk about a sheet 2 mm thick, then it's almost kid play.
1093  Economy / Economics / Re: Isreal and Palestine war and losing your wallet phrase and password on: October 18, 2023, 11:59:05 AM
yeah you can do this on emails.  make three different emails.

 say 24aatyb6531@yahoo
and zz2266tak12@yahoo
and tw24xtyuoks@yahoo

put eight seeds in each in each address.

I would advise against it!

If you have absolutely no other solution, at least make it more difficult, four different addresses with different phone numbers (use a prepaid card) and spread the seed between those, not an entire seed in one address because if you do that and it gets hacked you've lost it, if you spread it then the hacked will only get 25% or 33% of the seed which would be useless!

Ignoring the small cases with users getting their google account hacked and their seed phrases stolen, we have the Mixin case where 200 million were lost because of a breach that led to their cloud storage account getting compromised!

Nice idea. Backup phrases with brain memory are very effective,

They are not!
People are not machines, they are bad at randomizing and are bad at learning and memorizing random stuff.
We use most of the time a mind picture or a logic chain to memorize things, if you can't find one in a series of 12 or 24 words most likely you will forget it unless you practice that thing every day which kind of defeats the whole thing!

There were numerous experiments with how people memorize things and excluding elements from memory is normal, so translating this to bitcoin seed phrases, if you happen to have a thing like:
cabbage grape jealous banana
your brain will try to associate the three words that are vegetables and fruits which would lead overtime with losing the 3rd word in the sequence.

1094  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Start crypto trading at Koinpark on: October 18, 2023, 11:30:37 AM
@SatoPrincess referred to the OP as the owner of the exchange.

Thanks for pointing that out, probably low on caffeine, I read it and understood it more like the exchange you mentioned rather than ownership of it. Things like your list, your solution, bla bla...!

Since I don't want to make the same mistake again:

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Sign up now at Koinpark and get 1 lakh SHIB, an extra 25000 SHIB for each referral.
I am not always comfortable when exchanges promise so much benefit to their customers.

Isn't 1 laks shiba something like 60 cents? And 25k something like 17 cents?
1095  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2023 Diff thread now opened. on: October 18, 2023, 11:23:17 AM
last jump happened 35 minutes ago.   it would round to +6.47% which would mean :
slot 31) +6.27 to +6.59% would be the winner. as +6.47 is included in that range.

I was going to say, 6% after 6.4% is ....<insert whatever here>

And right now I said to myself, let's look at the mempool now that the dif adjusted and blocks are slower only to find out they are not and :

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Current Pace:   105.0101%  (300 / 285.69 expected, 14.31 ahead)

2 days into the adjustment and we're at 5% up?
Let's assume from the start this is not luck (I'm still 99.9% sure it is) how could one explain a 12% growth in two weeks?
Cooling, ok, totally probably, but why would this still affect it by such a percentage when common, last Sunday there was already a maximum of 23C in Houston , (73F I guess), NY which is by Foundry numbers at 20% of the hashrate in the US hasn't seen over 23C since the 5th. I doubt there is a need for cooling in Russia or Kazakhstan and that however mines in the Middle East or Ecuator would still had problems in mid October.

Of course, Mikey knows better but still color me surprised to have such a growth spanned over an entire month from bad designed cooling.
Again, this whole thing will be invalidated if in two days we go flat back to 0%.

Anyhow, when the game begins I'm going to pick something just above zero, 6% is beyond my comprehension capabilities!




1096  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Start crypto trading at Koinpark on: October 18, 2023, 10:54:48 AM
What I think is that the exchange might have just hired the wrong marketing team, which the OP appears to be part of, and the person who is in charge of the marketing might not even be checking what the OP is doing. What they know is that the information has been made public on Bitcointalk.

That is most likely the case.
A small exchange with a small budget hires a crappy firm to do marketing for a couple of hundred dollars, those try to make it with just 10% of the sum and they hire some idiot on Fiverr to do 5 posts on social media websites and forums.
Now fast forward, the exchange gets suspicious looks for this and a $ loss, and rather than new customers trying it you have older ones advising everyone to stay away from a business with such practices. Mission accomplished!

Anyhow, this doesn't change the previous user assumption:

Judging from all the posts you have made since you created this account, it’s obvious this account was created to promote your exchange.
I don't think the Op is the owner of the exchange;

He said created, not that it's the owners themselves posting this.
1097  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of reserves? Insurance fund? Best I can do is a random number generator! on: October 17, 2023, 02:35:19 PM
It really amazes me that such a company could even do business in the US, because what we are seeing now, someone should have noticed and reacted earlier and prevented everything from going to hell. How realistic is it that no one knew about all these illogicalities within FTX until it was too late, isn't there someone who oversees such things?

A bit late to reply but there is one thing I must mention!
Us, Japan, EU, south whatever, there is simply not enough workforce to monitor everything, and these companies know it, you can't have a million supervising a million companies, they all have to do with the numbers these provide, and even if on inspection they find a flaw that will be discovered only after a trimester and then real action will take further months.

Besides, the major fuck up was not even over ftx.us but com, which was not US jurisdiction, in September 2021 was based in HK and then in the Bahamas, just like how CZ keeps binance.us clean so did SBF.


It's worse than that - we know for a fact that Tether doesn't have the assets it claims to have. They revealed in court that at one point only 14% of USDT was actually collateralized: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5322147.msg56656992#msg56656992. They also admitted that their collateral includes loan repayments they are making to themselves after printing almost $1 billion USDT out of nothing and loaning it to themselves to stop themselves going bankrupt. So print USDT out of thin air, loan it to yourself, claim USDT is backed up by future loan repayments. Roll Eyes

The situation is better now, probably because of the last bull run, not that they have proved beyond a doubt they have a 1:1 backing but even if we ignore the parts of the audit that can't be trusted they do have at least 40% of those sums in treasury bills, that is the only sure thing they can't fake and can and has been checked, the rest, god knows and with their business practice I'm a bit unsure even he will be able to come with the right numbers.

My most recent favorite snippet from the trial below. Gary Wang was a the CTO of FTX and co-founder alongside SBF:
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Lawyer: Are you aware of the difference between solvency and liquidity?
Gary Wang: Now I am.

What an absolute clown show.

If he tried to be a smart ass, then he's an asshole, if he was sincere then probably this is just the tip of shitshow we're about to discover.
1098  Economy / Speculation / Re: Sad to see such manipulations in this market. on: October 17, 2023, 02:13:06 PM
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Especially small investors who exclude themselves from the casinos, do whatever it takes to keep betting, and when they can no longer find a way to bet in the casinos, they move on to betting short on the crypto market, because they can't exclude themselves from that one.

Oh my bad, I should have known, it's always like this, I'm even afraid to check posting histories anymore, the one starting a topic on giving advice is in deeper trouble than any of us! So, seeing this:
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Years later im in debt to loan sharks
let me rephrase it:

People should first treat their own addictions, then they should learn to stop borrowing money for addiction or investment and only then they should talk about manipulation and others, If you can't control your own actions knowing well that they are faulty then why the hell would you try trading when it's basically gambling on what news are coming out next day?

I'm not a small player if you are asking my friend.

Yeah, you're right, you know how we call someone who borrows money from loan sharks and loses it all in a day? Big player
1099  Economy / Speculation / Re: Sad to see such manipulations in this market. on: October 17, 2023, 01:53:24 PM
Small investors lost a lot of money yesterday on leverage or buying spot at top.

Small investors should stop playing with leverage and reacting to any FOMO trend.
If you're playing with your lunch money better go and buy food with it, not risk it in a volatile market!

And not just them, but everyone should stop blaming everyone else but themselves for these losses

This type of moves create a media view of BTC as a scam and a manipulation device which the cex's or dex's who do manipulation will regret later.

Ironically you're the one here spreading rumours about manipulation and painting a bad image of BTC
1100  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: DON'T mine to Antpool -- KYC imposed. on: October 15, 2023, 10:37:53 AM
So if you have a considerable amount of dust, you might want to hurry up to hit the 0.005 BTC threshold and leave antpool, if the dust you got is not worth it, you should just leave the pool now.

Hobby miners with just a gear will probably just have to leave that there, if you're at half you need two extra weeks of mining, and you might not get a thing. But I doubt they will enforce it at levels of no KYC no money, probably they will just try and get rid of the small players that don't want to pass it pay them, and then simply tell them to stop mining, I don't think they are that interested in guys with under 1ph even if they would provide all the documents!

Now, if they go next level, how does proof of funds work with a mining pool?  Grin
They will ask you where you got your ASICs, how much did you pay for it and show them the import papers?
This will be funny! /s

I think they have been forced to follow some U.S stupid shit such as banning countries that are sanctioned by the UN aka the U.S such as Iran, Syria and all the none US friends, this pool has turned out worse than centralized exchanges, my guess, at one point they would start taking shit seriously and you won't be able to withdraw anything without KYCing yourself.

It was going to happen sooner or later, what will be really funny is when I'll see the first mixer imposing KYC, that's when I will probably choke myself laughing with a piece of fudge!
Antpool is done for, Foundry was never an option, I assume Binance is already full KYC since you need an account with them in the first place, Mara is private(?), Luxor is US based also, SBI is owned by former SoftBank, SBI Holdings so .....via and f2? Solo mining at ck?
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