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1181  Economy / Economics / Re: Can we Manipulate Bitcoin price? on: March 22, 2017, 11:26:18 AM
Well, have a lot of people who manipulate bitcoin, but honestly, it provides many advantages in retaining bitcoin. Well, they can manipulate the bitcoin only those who have a lot of bitcoin, and most likely it can only be done by the exchanger.

It will be a lot wiser if the exchanger just stay away from price manipulation. After all, they are already earning more than enough money from all the transactions that's happening on their website. If they join the manipulation, they can just lose money. Why risk if you already have a goose hatching golden eggs, right?

If they lose money from doing a gamble in the manipulation (pump and dump), then it will require time for them to get back that amount of money from the exchanger site which is kind of a hassle imo because they could've earned much more instead.
1182  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In what situation would Bitcoin die? on: March 22, 2017, 11:11:49 AM
How and why would the end of bitcoin (and any other cryptocurrency) occur? Value decrease? Legality issues? Different technology/ideas to supersede it?
Bitcoin is a digital currency eventually will die without its value, without value, just mean it has no users and demand, which means it is dead. I think it will be not having a value anymore because the peolle will be having a problem with it, the transactions, the blockchain. But I think bitcoin will not die because there are so many people who trusts this digital currency.
We the users are the reason why bitcoin is successful now and we can also be the reason if bitcoin will die. As long as we continue supporting, it will always be there but the moment we are discourage from using bitcoin due to some legal implication we might face, we will lose the interest of using it to keep ourselves safe.

Other possibilities also are when there's an altcoin that will attract more investors and supporters than bitcoin, for sure it will leave bitcoin to be worthless. Those are just possibilities actually but I think bitcoin is a very strong to be able to be replace by something new.

I don't think that I, as a user, matter at all in the bitcoin world. The whole thing can go on without me and you. So is the bitcoin's life. The ones that matter the most are the whales. If they team up and dump the whole market and move to a different coin, then we're all doomed. The only thing we can do is follow the crowd and sell our coins. This is the exact reason why people panic sell. They think that whales are selling and so they also should.

Although we are the most important factor, the users, as an individual we don't matter that much. We matter as a whole.
1183  Economy / Marketplace / Re: How can we encourage local businesses to accept BTC? on: March 22, 2017, 11:00:55 AM
We must demand that they accept bitcoin and we must persist that accepting bitcoin as payment can bring in more sales and new customers. We must keep persisting that they accept bitcoin. With enough people, they might consider it as one of their payment methods. Hopefully as bitcoin users increase, it will influence businesses.

I think if people are already using bitcoins, merchants will just follow. Imagine if you're the owner and someone asked you if you're accepting bitcoins, and then after a short while somebody asked you again. And then the next day somebody asked you again, you surely will be totally curious about what's bitcoin. If you push a business owner to accept bitcoins because it will "bring more sales and new customers" and there's not that much bitcoin users at the area, he will just be disappointed at you because you forced him and all his efforts are for nothing.
1184  Economy / Economics / Re: Does the Price of Bitcoin Matter? on: March 22, 2017, 04:07:37 AM
Now that the price of some altcoins we been hoping to rise are gradually making it up, I guess I could say BTC price isn't as important as it was before. But still we ned BTC to have a good value because most of the remittance center only sees bitcoin to be valuable in the crypto world.

I've chat with some support of these remittance center and asked whether they can add ETH and DASH on their list and they replied nothing to it. He wasn't aware of the existence of these coins too. so in order to cash out,  BTC still has to stand out.

The price of bitcoin isn't important that much because of the price increase of altcoins? There's not that much correlation on that unless altcoins are already based on other cryptocurrency. For example, even if ETH becomes 1BTC each, the price of bitcoin will matter because that's your way to cash it out in fiat. At the end of the day, all altcoins still rely on the price of bitcoin because no altcoin can be cashed out directly to fiat. And even when there's an option for altcoins to be cashed out directly to fiat. It will still convert from CoinX >> BTCBTCBTC >> $$$

Bitcoin will always be in the scene.


What I mean is that its all about profit this time. If we get to invest on some altcoins that suddenly being pumped while the price of bitcoin is dropping, it still doesn't matter whether the price is high or not since the price of altcoin still is base on the price of btc. IF 1 ETH  is going to rise up to 1 btc, then sure whatever the price of eth is will still be base on btc. if ETH is going to be 5000USD each and lets say bitcoin still is 1100 USD then your eth is worth 4.5BTC. Nothing is changed still.

Hmm. ETH is not based on USD, it's based on BTC. So your ETH is worth 5000USD because 1 ETH = 4.5BTC not ETH is worth 4.5BTC because ETH = 5000USD. That's my point the whole time.



Any fluctuation in price attracts attention. For investors, price is very important. Similarly, it is of great importance for traders.
In addition, ordinary people also begin to be interested in bitcoins, when its price is high
yeah I do agree with what you say there. It is obvious that the higher the prices, the more people enjoy using Bitcoin. Not only investors but also casual people will pay attention to this potential coin. The instability in the prices can draw many positive effects both when it increases and when it drops

I bet that the "people" you were referring in this are those that already have bitcoins. Any increase in price is celebrated by us but definitely not the people that don't know what bitcoin is. The people that are just about to invest in bitcoins will think that he's too late because the price has already grown. That means that tons of people have already invested and he might not earn as much as the early investors.
1185  Economy / Economics / Re: Does the Price of Bitcoin Matter? on: March 21, 2017, 03:03:02 PM
Now that the price of some altcoins we been hoping to rise are gradually making it up, I guess I could say BTC price isn't as important as it was before. But still we ned BTC to have a good value because most of the remittance center only sees bitcoin to be valuable in the crypto world.

I've chat with some support of these remittance center and asked whether they can add ETH and DASH on their list and they replied nothing to it. He wasn't aware of the existence of these coins too. so in order to cash out,  BTC still has to stand out.

The price of bitcoin isn't important that much because of the price increase of altcoins? There's not that much correlation on that unless altcoins are already based on other cryptocurrency. For example, even if ETH becomes 1BTC each, the price of bitcoin will matter because that's your way to cash it out in fiat. At the end of the day, all altcoins still rely on the price of bitcoin because no altcoin can be cashed out directly to fiat. And even when there's an option for altcoins to be cashed out directly to fiat. It will still convert from CoinX >> BTCBTCBTC >> $$$

Bitcoin will always be in the scene.
1186  Economy / Economics / Re: The dream of getting rich with bitcoins on: March 21, 2017, 02:17:14 PM
It works, you can make 10.000% plus per year!
Easy, if you know how Wink

Yes that can happen if the market of bitcoin is going to be positive and that is going to be give us riches in due time. And this is why bitcoin suits to all of us who are wanting to have a long time investment. That's why most of us are holding a lot of bitcoins and getting good amount when we are going to keep working on it.

It is very possible, and you can also do trading your bitcoin with altcoins. There are also promising altcoins as of now like dash and eth etc.Holding your bitcoin and wait it to a higher price is also good.

 BTW,but how do you define richness? There are people who has thousands  or even millions but consider not rich. I prefer an abundant life. Smiley

For everyone, wealth is a concept. Some believe that if they have housing and food - then they are rich. And some will not be enough and a billion.
I do not think that thanks to bitcoin I will be able to get rich a lot. But I'm sure that thanks to him my life will be easier

Like they say, there's two ways to become rich. The first one is to become wealthy and that's how most define "rich" while the second way is to be content with whatever you have. If you've become poor ever since, and suddenly you're able to eat 3 times a day, that's already an abundant life for you. Being "rich" is very subjective since all of us have different roots and different experience in life. What's "rich" and wealthy for you can be just a normal thing to others.

The amount of money a regular guy someone has from a 1st world country is already millions of money to somebody that lives in a 3rd world country.
1187  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoin 20 Years From Now on: March 21, 2017, 02:03:04 PM
Bitcoin is already the first most talked crypto currency, just few years after creating it. So we can predict it will be even the most used currency worldwide after 20 years from now.
That's a bold prediction, I think you mean majority of the world's population are going to use bitcoin, that would be possible but the success rate is not that high. We have seen how the government react about bitcoin, they just rejected the ETF application which everyone thinks could help the progress of bitcoin. Let's think that without the support of the government, massive adoption will not happen and despite of that I still believe bitcoin can still live to serve a smaller portion of population in this world like what is in the current situation.

ETF has been rejected by the SEC, but it doesn't mean that bitcoin have no more future anymore, in fact, it do have one. Bitcoin could survive without this ETF being approved by the SEC, but, its price will still experience this fluctuation without this bitcoin ETF approval. So, we have to do the usual, we have to keep on earning bitcoin and saving it and wait for the right time to convert, for us to have profits in the long run.

Maybe someday, we could have another chance to promote this bitcoin ETF and the SEC might approved it this second try. We just have to believe in bitcoin, and I know that even though it has been rejected by the SEC, still, many people will use it once they know that bitcoin is so amazing to use.

What are you expecting? When the ETF gets approved, the price of bitcoin will not fluctuate anymore? That it will just steadily increase because investors will come rushing in? I don't think so. Even when there's bitcoin ETF, the price fluctuation will still be the same. Bitcoin will still be volatile and people are still going to play manipulations with bitcoin's price. Bitcoin ETF will help us grow as a community and it will help the price of bitcoin to increase in the long run but it will definitely not erase our capability to make the market move as we want by buying/selling enough.
1188  Economy / Economics / Re: Do You Think Bitcoin Will Replace Dollar Soon? on: March 21, 2017, 12:57:41 PM
No , its impossible because if they let bitcoin replace dollar they have no further control over money .
They will not let it dollar replace ,Dollar will be the currency and bitcoin will stay as alternative currency.
As of now it may take more time the adoptation of bitcoins and more possibly to happen will bitcoins as World alternative Currency.
Everyone must understand that reality so they will not be mislead with their decision making, we should know the limitation of bitcoin as
we cannot beat the real money which is govern by the state. Everything in this world is controlled by the government and the moment you violate the law you have to pay the consequences. Bitcoin is a great project but I don't think it has the confidence of the people to go mainstream and replace the conventional world.

I strongly disagree. Not everything in this world is controlled by the government. There might be rules and regulations but those are just there to put a limit on our freedom. Yes, most of us are living in a democratic country but when the government said that we're free to do whatever we want, that doesn't mean we can go kill each other and don't face any consequence. The government law is there to maintain peace although sometimes it also creates conflict.

Another thing that I disagree with is "the moment that you violate the law". Uhhmm. How about no? I've said this a million times but here we are again. Tons of people are smoking weed, doing cocaine, injecting stuffs (I don't know what it's called), and none of them get to jail "right at that moment". Most of those drug users have never even caught yet by the police. No one's watching every single move that we do so there's no way that you'll get caught right at the moment the crime has happened.
1189  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: how to start trading with a very small amount on: March 21, 2017, 12:37:18 PM
Well, I did bought some altcoin and find someone to buy it in a good price.

You don't have to find someone to buy it in a good price. That's just person to person trading and trust me it's really hard to find someone who's not going to scam you and is willing to buy above market price. Some say that they do person to person trading to avoid the fees and some say because they get better deals from it. But buying/selling in an exchanger is much faster since you only have to place your sell order or simply dump the coin.
1190  Economy / Economics / Re: Can we Manipulate Bitcoin price? on: March 20, 2017, 11:25:15 AM
Only people who have many Bitcoin can manipulate the Bitcoin price and maybe they join a group to manipulating the price, need a large amount to manipulate the Bitcoin price.
my be it was possible in past but in present time it may not be possible because now the users of bitcoin are increasing more and more and so it is now becoming more difficult for a single person or group of people to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

True. Because it requires more money and bitcoins to manipulate the price. Back then, the price of bitcoin isn't that much yet and the market cap isn't that high so if you invest 1 million dollars in bitcoin, the price will surely sky rocket and you'll have tons of bitcoins as well. Today, 1 million is just a small percentage of the market cap of bitcoins. Although it can pump the market since not all bitcoins are in exchanger, it's still not going to pump as much as it'd pump back then.
1191  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do I grow my btc? on: March 20, 2017, 11:15:37 AM
~snip~
First of all i am not at against investing in casinos as the profit is like 2% a month which will be around [1]20% a year which isn't bad at all but [2]don't you think there is a risk as the site can just take your investments or may not pay you. And holding bitcoin is a good idea because bitcoin isn't fiat it has a [3]40% growth every year which is sufficient rather than investing in gambling sites.

[1] It's 24% to be exact. 2% x 12 months = 24%.

[2] There's risk at everything. Even going outside of your house, you're risking yourself of getting hit by the vehicle although the chance is really really low. Same thing as investing in gambling sites or any casino, there's a chance that they will run away your money but the chance will be really low. That's what you're risking together with the risk that the casino can get hacked, get bankrupt, etc.

[3] 40% growth, is it fixed every year? Where did this even come from
1192  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best source of bitcoin nowadays? on: March 20, 2017, 11:05:02 AM
i think gaming is the best option these days
Really? Gaming is your source of income?
Can you help us to do that thing?
Share it here.

It might be the best way to earn bitcoins or money in general to you but it might not be to others. Like, if you're not a gamer of course gaming isn't the best way to make money. I've been playing games since I was a kid although I stopped a few years back because I got busy in school. The way you can make money from playing games is through farming and grinding items. You simply hunt valuable items in the game and then sell them in real life or sell the zeny or in game gold in exchange to fiat/bitcoins.

There's also twitch wherein you can get donations if people like you enough. And there's Youtube wherein you can post your gameplay, reviews, and first impressions about the latest games. It's one of the best ways to earn money although it's really hard to start.
1193  Economy / Economics / Re: The dream of getting rich with bitcoins on: March 20, 2017, 10:52:03 AM
To become rich with bitcoins is real but you need a strategic plan which you should follow, without plans you will just be dreaming. The price of bitcoin can change so fast, because of changes and event which happened soon. I think the best and wise idea would be to wait for price to get down to some decent price like 700-800$ then you need to sell your fiat money and try to wait for pump. But to make it more profitable you also need to have more free investment money, to wait for raising in price

The last time it went to $700-$800 range was with the PBoC thing. It's the Chinese people that got scared and so they sold their coin plus those people that panic sold their coins. You will need some FUD as strong as that to make the price of bitcoin go down at that price again. Today, the hard fork thing made the price of bitcoin go down from $1200 to $1000. I think this ($1000 range) is already a good buy since we will eventually recover from this price decrease.
1194  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What would happen if BTC was Banned? on: March 20, 2017, 10:41:39 AM
Maybe we are already a family of bitcoin have to tolerate any hurdle despite government talk that bitcoin is illegal but that is where we know that bitcoin is an organization that will change the world better in my world economy has also been a member of BTC then I am entitled to defend bitcoin


Although illegal bitcoin but we must be able to respond to it patiently and gracefully

Bitcoin is not an organization. It's simply a (thousands) block of codes. You don't have to defend bitcoin at all even when let's say the government has banned it. When you do protest, you might just get to jail since the use of bitcoin is already banned and you're obviously still using it since you're protesting about it.

When bitcoin becomes illegal, people will just become low-key about them using it. Just like how people are so low-key when they are doing drugs. They buy and sell drugs but only to people that they trust and nothing else. Although there's still risks since someone can be a snitch anytime.
1195  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: March 20, 2017, 10:27:43 AM
I am getting steady income from signature campaign and full time job and I am very much satisfied with what I am earning as if I am short of cash at the end of the month then I have bitcoins in the form of back up to take care of my expenses but generally I don't prefer to sell them and save them for future.

Good to see that, you are in good signature campaign and you manage to have it all like posting while having a regular job and earn from it. But also be ready of the time that sig.campaign did not last for so long.

Exactly there is no guarantee that signature campaign will take care of us for a lifetime as it can fad away with time so we cannot depend only on it for earning bitcoins and we should also have plan b to earn them as multiple ways of earning will give you higher amount of bitcoins.

Even with a stable job and a stable company, there is no guarantee that it will take care of us for a lifetime. There are lots known huge company that shutdown and leave their employees jobless, or some mass lay off during the change in ownership. What more with the signature campaign, so definitely we should be ready with the possible changes and end of the signature campaign we are participating.  It is always best to have alternative or side jobs that can catch us whenever our main job does not deliver.

Just like with jobs in real life, if you are qualified enough, you can just jump onto the next campaign right after the campaign the campaign you're in has ended. For example, if you're in one of Yahoo's campaign. Even if that campaign ends, you can just join another one since you have the experience and you have a good post quality.

In real life, even when the company shuts down, you can simply hand over your resume to the next company and you'll get maybe even a better job with better pay. It's all on your skills and experience, and not on the company that you're working at.
1196  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: how to start trading with a very small amount on: March 20, 2017, 10:08:46 AM
I've also heard about trading. Do you guys have links to any guide about it here? Maybe a stickied thread or something...

Regarding trading sites, do you have any you can suggest to novice traders? Does it matter which site we'll use, like, are differences on prices or fees?

I'm looking for some ways to make money. I can probably spare a few hours a day for it.

You can actually start by using Google. Or maybe just follow this new thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1833226) To be completely honest, you wouldn't get most of the things you're looking for in this forum. This is not an all in one forum so you're better off searching stuffs on Google. Not only you'll get better results, but you'll also get instant results.

For trading sites, there's C-Cex, Poloniex, WhaleClub, Yobit, etc. Those are the most common ones and the price doesn't have that much difference even when let's say that someone bought tons of ETH on YoBit, it'll only take a few seconds for snipers to sell at that high buy on YoBit or buy at the low price from other trading sites. The fees, of course, doesn't have that much difference as well. Just see what UI and website loading time suits you the best.
1197  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Where would you invest if you had 40$/day ? on: March 20, 2017, 09:58:26 AM
i have two ways i would like to invest in legit bitcoin builders online site or in website 20$ and make it 50$ hehe  , and 10$ to buy staff or things like clothes and 10$ is to buy foods or goods or just save the money in bank or some people i trust because i believe bitcoins need someday

I think that's not the best way to allocate your money since you're not going to the mall every single day. 10$ for thing like clothes, that'll require you going outside every single day and then buying a shirt worth 10$ in all.

"A website", funny how people still cannot give out the exact name of the website that they're investing in. 20$ and make it 50$, sounds like nothing but HYIP to me.

And why do you even have to give your money to people you trust. Don't you have the capacity to save and secure the money by yourself? I really think that you should learn more about financial stuffs and allocate the money better.
1198  Economy / Gambling / Re: ▂▃▅▆█ BITSLER █▆▅▃▂ 🎁 7,000,000,000 bets promotion🎁 FORUM SOON on: March 19, 2017, 03:28:18 PM
Bitsler lover kindly vote the bitsler best dice of month march https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1827927.msg18237198#msg18237198
i already voted  Wink

Bitsler now has become my favourite dice site, there are so many rain in the chatbox, and one of the reason Bitsler is the best gambling site is because of the customer support, Baryom really fast and great in handling people problems, I think it is one of the most important element in building a great casino is a great customer support and Baryom really did a great job

I would like to ask one question, are we allowed to play using VPN connection ?

True. The moderator in the chat box is always online. They always talk to the players and there's always a rain in the chat box. You'd never get bored by just talking to them. And support staff is spot on. You'd see other gambling sites having problems and then end up having a scam accusation in here. You'll never see Bitsler having that. They always solve problems as soon as they saw someone asked for help.

I don't think using a VPN connection is banned at all because they don't care about your IP address at all. So if you're using a VPN connection to connect to the Internet for free (this is very common to most countries), then it should be fine.
1199  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can not replace fiat on: March 19, 2017, 03:06:05 PM
^ True, since Bitcoin isn't looked at as a system that could have a standard price set so when and if the Government tires taxing Bitcoin then they could do so. Since Bitcoins value is based on speculation, the coin can't get taxed so easily because the users of Bitcoin could be paying very little or plenty when the price gets manipulated by the huge spenders.
Bitcoin won't replace fiat, there might be an alternative to Bitcoin that will be used for the later plan.


Yes bitcoin cannot replace the fiat. fiat value is much constant but btc is not, its value keep changing. if it is replaced from the fiat then it will be governed by the government where we will not see any difference between the fiat and bitcoin. the main reason why we use bitcoin is because it is secured, the value keep changing and most of the time we see the raise in btc but fiat it is constant and the income what we earn from the fiat is taxable but here in the btc it is hidden from the tax and very less transaction charges we have to give here.

Who said that? We can all start using bitcoins but the government will not own bitcoins because of that. For them to own the bitcoin network, they have to buy all the coins in circulation. Otherwise, it'll still be a property of no one. It will continue to be decentralized. The "bitcoin has replaced fiat" means that everybody's using bitcoin instead of fiat. Not bitcoin has become just like what is fiat.

Nevertheless, bitcoin will not replace fiat in the foreseeable future. We might already be all dead by that time. Although we might live long enough to see a world that has tons of merchants accepting bitcoin as payment.
1200  Economy / Services / Re: [NEW]★☆★ Bitvest Plinko Sig. Campaign ★☆★ Up to .00065/Post(JR-Hero Accepted) on: March 19, 2017, 02:43:52 PM
look like dev won't reply the campaign join-er. haha

He only replies right after a week ends. If you read the previous replies of Lutpin, all of the enrollments are announced right after sending the payment for the previous round. Anything other than that time, you'll get no reply.
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