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1221  Economy / Economics / Re: What will be our new world currency? on: March 14, 2017, 04:41:44 AM
If world war 3 happens, I suspect we could be using goats, chickens and cows as currency.

Like people did 2,000 years ago.

That's what I think about when I see politicians and media telling people they need war with russia, or another country.

I don't understand what any of us gain from war.

 Undecided

Back in the days, wars are done so a country can conquer another country. I don't think anything has changed at all. Supposed that country x has won the war against country y, then probably they will have access to country y's resources. Thus, country x will have better economy. Often times, a country goes to war not because they want to show dominance or to conquer a country but rather to defend theirs. Lately, there's not been that much war going on. Unlike back in the days where war is just a usual thing and everyone's spending tons of time preparing for an attack.
1222  Economy / Economics / Re: Passive Income on: March 14, 2017, 04:21:29 AM
Faucet is not a passive income, you need to work it everytime claiming is available; it requires a lot of time, hard work and patience. Maybe you can get a big amount from it if you have a lot of referrals and continue claiming... But it so hard to maintain that.

Yeah it isn't a passive income because we know that it takes time and effort when we are claiming to faucet sites. This is just a good passive income if you are going to own your own faucet site. Because when you made your faucet popular you will attract mo visitors and as well as advertisers and that's passive income for you.
Faucets can be a passive income but only in one way. Yes, there is no claiming involve. Creating a faucet rotator is a helpful tool that attracts certain people that are new to Bitcoin because they are finding a way to find as many faucets as possible to claim with. Just by putting your Bitcoin address to the links will give you a certain percentage from each of their claim. I have personally checked some of their BTC address in faucetbox and they do earn a lot daily.

Another way is to create a bot that autoclaims from different faucet sites and you can specify the interval time for each website as well. If you don't know how to code and you're going to hire someone to do so, I don't recommend this at all because it will take a while for you before you can ROI for the payment of a coder.

This is recommended when you're at the office and your computer is idle most of the time or you have an extra computer with you that is idle. You don't have to pay at the electricity and at the same time you have stable internet connection. It's not that much money, tbh.
1223  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do I grow my btc? on: March 13, 2017, 02:19:22 PM
You can grow your tbc when you invest for some site that realy are paying in return, but be careful theres a lot of investing site now that is a scam. Also you can buy and sell btc, this is the time to buy btc while the price is still low because sooner or later it will get so much more expensive. But take care also because there are lot of scammer now. You can also gumble with your btc it is an easy way. But ofcourse there is no assurance if you can win or not. You can trade something in exchange with btc. There is a lot of way to grow your btc. Don't just keep it will not grow without running it.

Are you talking about cloud mining or doubler sites to invest? And if that is the case then I will recommend you never to put your money on those sites as everyone of us have got scammed at least once from those sites in the past as we were hoping that those sites will help in multiplying our bitcoins quick and we are still waiting for that.
I agree, most of investment site swas turned into scam. Probably they will pay you for few first month but they can turned into scam anytime. There is no supervision for them. So better we do trading to grow our btc.
Either do your own or if you invest in some site than at least read how they claim to generate profit for you ?

I mean if a site just says that they have a special method then probably a ponzi while if a site explains how they are going to generate profits then people can debate that and discuss the topic, while growing bitcoins we need to remember that the risk should be minimal for profit, even though if the profit seems less.

The best way to avoid getting scammed is to think as the scammer himself. If they said it's a "special method", they would probably include some supporting detail like they can't explain it because if they do, they are afraid that people are going to mimic/copy their strategy. Most ponzi sites just say that they invest it on some other company and people don't question them anymore. Having a fake explanation on how you'd generate the income (as a ponzi site) will just lead to people having more questions.

tl;dr: it's better for the investors to not know anything at all since it will only raise questions so ponzi sites they have a complicated method that they cannot share.
1224  Economy / Economics / Re: Build a Bank Of Bitcoin on: March 13, 2017, 02:05:44 PM
At first i would say, i dont trust everyone on the net. Bank of bitcoin is means centralized currency, and no one can guarantee it will be fine using it

Yes, it seems to me that the creation of such a bank is an attempt to centralize bitcoin. And I really do not like it. I believe that bitcoin should not be controlled

They can't make it centralized. To make it centralized, they would have to buy all of the coins or at least the majority of it, and then change the technology into something that collects tax right away in every transaction. It will be like transaction fee, but it will be larger since it's tax. Most people are ranting about the "high" fees, which isn't high at all compared to how much you'd pay if you use other stuffs like Paypal. How much more would they rant when there's already tax in bitcoin. If bitcoin gets taxed, it's already a failed project. Most people will use a different coin and when the government makes it centralized as well, they'd just move to another and so on

I don't think that it is ever going to come to that

Though not because Bitcoin cannot be taxed as such (even that in fact may not be possible), but, as you just said yourself, because they would first have to buy all of the coins. If they buy all the coins (let's assume that), people will just create another Bitcoin (with new fancy bells and whistles like SegWit and Lightning Network) and start using it instead of the old Bitcoin, which they have so wisely got rid of. And then "they" will have to buy up this new Bitcoin all over again

Time came already bro. For the first try Citibank creating their first digital currentcy called citicoin. US government seeking permission to enroll blockchain technology under US commerce department. If this achieved, we ll be taxed for using it. I don't think Gulf countries will do the same their citizens. Let's hope bitcoin price should rise more and Government make btc as ledger alone not with the taxation side

But what difference does it make in the end?

The government can already tax fiat transactions (since they are efficiently controlling commercial banks via the central bank of a country), but what's the purpose of that, what would be the economic reason behind such an idea? Citibank is not the first to create private money, and governments typically don't like this idea (because of possible competition with the government money itself). Okay, let's assume they create their Bitcoin copycat (or whatever) and how will it be different from a myriad of other shit coins already there? In other words, how can they force people to abandon Bitcoin in favor of this new "altcoin", especially if they are going to tax transactions with it (which is meaningless as such)?

Most likely, there will be different benefits for those who will use the national cryptocurrency. Maybe it will be easy to obtain, and can be reduced tax when dealing with this currency. There are many options.

That will be some sort of promo. "You get discount on your tax if you use this currency" or whatnot. That's not how the government works. They don't want to reduce tax at all since introducing this type of payment with reduced tax will be a big loss in their part when huge companies start using that payment type. It would be much better to use fiat currency for the government's end where tax will have no discount.

"Easy to obtain" - I don't know what you mean by that. Bitcoin is already easy to obtain. You buy it using your bank account and that's it. Or maybe you meant, it's easy to earn? If so, that will devaluate fiat since people are going to do work for that cryptocurrency since it's easier to earn from that. It will also reduce the amount of workers that get paid in fiat (which ultimately leads to the economy going down but it still depends on what work does the new currency has to offer).

The altcoin of the government will just be an additional dump coin in the future (just like deisik said).
1225  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: March 13, 2017, 01:55:21 PM
Best investment would be a low rated coin with small market cap.
If you're between, let's say 2k to 25K, slowly buy in an accumulation phase of an altoin. But of course you don't pick the first one, research are a must.
If you want to invest in very long, BTC is still a good boat, but buy and wait that's it.
But it will give a high risk, I don't know when the coin will be turned into the shit coin, and it can be happening on every time. Although with a lot of the research about that coin but it can't give a high accuracy about the future of coin itself.


BTC investment is always good option. Please make some sense that the market of btc is expanding. But we know that it is not sure when the price will go down/raise, generally 2 approach you have to follow to gain profit or stay in the safe path: 1.Purchase the btc when the price is less and 2. sale it when the price is high. But anyway you must have the patience to wait so that you wont regret by taking the quick step for investing or selling. the btc world is growing well so very unlikely that it will become obsolete.

Patience is not the problem here, it's timing. Everyone can be patient, everyone can wait for months before making a move on his bitcoin investments. The problem here is identifying when is the price actually a low price and when is it a high price. You can't simply base these things on the previous price because it can still move further.

For example, it's $1200 today and the price goes to $1300 the next day. You sell your coins at that time because it's "high" and then the next day, the price went to $1400. There's no way that you can know if the price is already a good time to buy/sell unless you're an experienced trader and you know all of the latest updates.
1226  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: March 13, 2017, 01:45:32 PM
People from poor countries will always use paper money as they don't have bank accounts and they get their salary in cash and that is the only option for them for their spending and scenario will not change drastically in future even if bitcoin becomes more popular and paper money will always survive as it has support from the Governments.

Even in poor countries, people still have bank accounts. Not every single one of them gets paid in cash especially those people that work for the government (i.e. Teachers, Government office employees). They all get paid through their bank accounts. Besides, there's no fee when you're going to open a bank account. You only need to verify your identity by submitting one or two valid IDs.


I cant really tell how long paper money will last, the thing is that we can make unlimited amount of it and we can counterfeit it. Government cant control bitcoins and powerful individuals are opposing  cryptocurrency. When it comes to privacy and security bitcoin will win unless some genius individual find a way to break sha-256. Paper money is good to have in hand too because there are circumstances that I am going to pay in a past pace(e.g in a crowded bus).
I think accepting both paper money and bitcoin as a value of exchange is a great phenomena.

It doesn't necessarily require a genius to do so, only a powerful machine. Even if some guy finds an algorithm to crack SHA-256, it will still require a lot of computing power.
1227  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the economy situation in your country that bad? on: March 13, 2017, 01:18:50 PM
Its not as as other country but barely good enough to support needs of most people,there are just few poeple who cannot be supported by the government
The government supports only the rich and officials. The common people suffer as always, but in countries that are broken up, the fight against corruption turns into an immoral procession of the opposing sides.
Yeah governments and politicians were completely corrupted and they always work for the rich people who move the economy of the country. When this mentality of politicians gets changed and focus towards common people make a better growth in the country's economy.

Actually, the reason why the government don't focus on their individual that much is because if they were to ask every single one, 1. it's time consuming, 2. (and the main point) There would have tons of different opinions. Everyone wants different things. There's not much things in this world where every single one has agreed upon. Everyone has different ways of perceiving something because we all have different experience in life.

It would be better to just consult a professional when it comes to make the economy of a country better because they base it on facts (based on studies) and not just opinions.
1228  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns [Last update: 09-Mar-2017] on: March 13, 2017, 12:15:26 PM
I saw a red asterisk against spectrocoin campaign which means the "campaign having some trouble".
Being a part of this campaign since two weeks and getting paid on time without any problem, I wonder what is the reason for putting this in that category?

Yes, even with another campaign, there is asterisk mark I don't know why? But the support system of this campaign is very accurate and they are very accurate with the payments also. Till now this campaign is very healthy with payments from the owner to their participants.

Please check what you are promoting. SpectroCoin unresolved scam accusation

If you're gonna ask why it has a red asterisk even when it's just an unresolved scam accusation and there's no problem in the campaign itself, take your time to backread on the separate thread of this thread in the Archival section. It's the same "Betcoin.ag got red asterisk" story again and again.
1229  Economy / Economics / Re: Can we Manipulate Bitcoin price? on: March 12, 2017, 11:38:50 AM
Bitcoins price is based on supply and demand on the market.More demand higher price more supply down price.Yes you can manipulate bitcoins price if you hold a huge supply or supply that may be enough to sell or buy in the current market status

I do not think that there are many people who hold a large number of bitcoins in order to manipulate the price. But this assumption can not be ignored.
The bitcoin price can't be manipulated, The chinese community not having an enough power to manipulate the bitcoin again. and i think the people with a lot of the bitcoin in their hand just give an impact to make the market will be panic and more newbies try to dump his coin. It will not make the bitcoin easy to get a manipulate by every parties.
Unlike other currencies bitcoin is not centralized and it is not controlled by anyone, the only ones who can change its situation is us the community and if we want to change the price all we have to do is either hold and the price will go up or dump it and the price will go down as simple as that.

That's partially incorrect. When he hold our bitcoins, we increase bitcoin's volatility. It's not necessarily that the price will go up. It will just require less money to pump the price of bitcoins. On the other hand, since that has increased bitcoin's volatility. It will also require less money to dump the price of bitcoins. The actual way to make the price of bitcoin to go up is to buy more bitcoins, not hold it.

Additionally, the effect of your action will depend on how many coins do you have. Supposed that I went all in and sold all of my 1BTC, that doesn't have an effect to the market at all although it has a huge effect on me since that's all I have.
1230  Economy / Economics / Re: First investments in bitcoins on: March 12, 2017, 11:27:02 AM
This will depend upon you that with what speed you want to make profit Because in the bitcoin it is usually most of the times take more time to increase in the price but in such types of altcoins like ETH , monero  etc there are more chance to increase in price .
If you will select altcoins then your chances are more to make profit but if you will choose bitcoin then surely it will take more time to make some better profit .
Currently the price of the bitcoin is very high so I will suggest you to not to buy bitcoin . Try to buy some altcoins Because if you will buy bitcoin then it will take more time to make profit .


It's not necessarily altcoin = profit in short amount of time; bitcoin = profit in long time. It all depends on your timing. You can invest in altcoin and still don't get any profit at all after a couple of months of waiting because the coin is either already dead or don't have any user at all. Bitcoin, on the other hand, can also give you profit in short time when you invested at the right time.

The current price of bitcoin is high but I don't think the price will ever go back to less than $900. We've been here for a while now and if you don't invest at this price, you might regret it later.
1231  Economy / Economics / Re: What will be our new world currency? on: March 12, 2017, 11:14:18 AM
Well, since the gold standard is the beginning stage of currency development I will have to go with that. It just makes logical sense that it will remain.

But hey, maybe one day a country will start with the bitcoin standard!

No, it doesn't. And the proof for that is that we have changed from gold standard to fiat. Fiat was backed by gold back then but it came to the point that it isn't anymore. The whole has become fake. Its value is not real at all, we are the only ones that give value to it. Anyone that has learned the past of the fiat currency knows this.

We didn't stick to gold simply because it's a lot of work when having gold with you all the time. Imagine having kilos of gold bars with you. Now, we have debit cards that can have millions in it.

The gold is the old world's currency. Only way that we'll go back to that point is when there's a war that vanished all of the technological research that we made.
1232  Economy / Economics / Re: Tell me a secret: any way to earn 0.1 BTC per week? on: March 12, 2017, 10:05:21 AM
I would like to know if anyone of you earns 0.1 BTC per week or even more? Is this possible and what is best way to earn it? Your experiences, suggestions and advices are very welcomed.
I think yahoo is earning 0.1BTC or up in a week because he have a lot of signature campaign holding and managing i think not just a campaign manager is her income, he have also in gambling because to its refferal i hope i would become like yahoo hehehe

Yahoo is indeed earning much more than 0.1BTC. On the other hand, not everyone of us can do what he's doing. And even if you can manage a signature campaign the way he do, it doesn't mean that you'll have the same amount of job offers as he has. You have to build your reputation first and Yahoo is already in the DT network (Default Trust). It's really hard to get there. Yahoo is also now at Legendary rank. People will go to him first especially those that can afford his service. Those that have really low fund allotted for signature campaign will go to Avirunes, DarkStar_, Decoded, etc. There's a lot of people that comes before you in the choices.

It will be better if you look for another job instead of forcing yourself in the signature manager role.
1233  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In what situation would Bitcoin die? on: March 11, 2017, 12:06:58 PM
Bitcoin has already been spread to different parts of the world, only it will die when governments will ban in the online industry.
Once people stop using bitcoin and once people stop mining the bitcoin, it will automatically die.
So no trades, no mining, it will raise the difficulty in transferring the coins.

Take online gambling as an example. A lot of countries don't allow younger people to gamble and some prohibit online gambling. Have you seen anyone that got to jail because of that? I've never seen one. It's because it's online, it's hard to trace people especially if your government don't have a big cyber army.

People wouldn't just stop using bitcoin because the government said so. Once people stop mining, or at least the major miners, people will start mining at their homes since it's their chance to shine. That makes bitcoin even more decentralized.
1234  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Great way to make Bitcoin! on: March 11, 2017, 11:56:44 AM
~snip~
- this place is full of underage kids from third world countries who are in school,... and have no idea what a real job is. so they think it is the only way of making money (bitcoin) and also they lack skills.
I bet their parents know what real job for 400$ or less is, so they found a way to earn more money than their parents are.
And I am sure it's not only kids who are wearing signatures, i am sure it is full time job for everyone with little brain in head in third world countries.

Now, as you are senior member, i won't bother to find and c/p you "overview of sig.camp." thread that mitchell wrote, but i am sure you can find it yourself and do some calculations.
And i am sure you will know how to do math because you are full of skills - but i will give you hint anyway - (farming accounts) X (signature) = ?


If you are doing great in your first world country and you have great wage it doesn't mean the rest of world is having great time at their jobs and so don't write nonsense before you do any research about how hard is to earn money in third world countries.

People are surviving the best way they know and can, it's not up to you to decide what is good for anyone.

It's pretty ironic that you bash something that you're doing. It's a hypocrite's act. He's in secondstrade signature campaign which pays really really low compared to most signature campaigns. I bet that he's one of the kids from third world countries that he's talking about and he stick to secondstrade because he can't get accepted on any other signature campaign. Roll Eyes

I don't even think he's from a first world country, because if he is, he wouldn't be wasting his time doing signature campaign on secondstrade. AFAIK, secondstrade is the lowest paying signature campaign here.
1235  Economy / Economics / Re: Passive Income on: March 11, 2017, 11:42:45 AM
For me, my passive income is by doing my tasks to complete here in signature campaign. This is I think of as of now, since by joining here in any campaign will surely give an earning weekly or depends on the rules. Also, by buying and selling bitcoin were I also earn bitcoin.

Those are ways to earn bitcoin but those aren't passive income. Signature campaign requires you to be active in this forum and post stuffs. The only way signature campaign is a passive income is when you're maintaining a thread (i.e. buy and sell thread), and you still get paid for those little posts. Otherwise, it's not a passive income. Buying and selling isn't passive income as well since you have to advertise, talk to people, and have a deal. Only time buying and selling is a passive income is when you're using a bot to both buy and sell which is quite hard to do for the buy part.
1236  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In what situation would Bitcoin die? on: March 11, 2017, 11:10:46 AM
How and why would the end of bitcoin (and any other cryptocurrency) occur? Value decrease? Legality issues? Different technology/ideas to supersede it?

if there are no more investors in bitcoins, if they doesnt interested anymore.if new cryptpcurrency has a great value more than the bitcoin has. and if the internet connection fails.
How are those iffy situations you cited ever going to materialize? [1]Which investors do you know that are presently sustaining Bitcoin and given all the good attributes of Bitcoin, [2]what exactly do you think is capable of making everyone lose interest in Bitcoin? So far we are yet to see that new coin that will kill Bitcoin, because everything so far took a cue from Bitcoin, [3]so until that new coin arrives, that is not an issue for now. [4]Again how would internet connection fail globally, when situation like that was the main reason behind the invention of the internet?

As it stands, the one thing that has the potential of killing Bitcoin is inside Bitcoin itself and it is the lack of one voice on many solvable issues that are beginning to snowball. The size of the blockchain is one of them and so also is the regrettable delays in transaction.


[1] The whales, of course. You will not let your investment die if you can defend it, right? If you put a huge buy order at around $1000, it would be hard for the dumpers to get past that price. Even if they do, they wouldn't have that much coin left to dump even harder.

[2] Bitcoin becoming centralized, not anonymous, etc. Just think of the opposite of one of the major benefits that you get from bitcoins.

[3] Everyone's waiting for that "new coin" that will kill bitcoins. In fact, there have been a lot of coins that have much better use than bitcoin, faster transactions too. But it doesn't kill bitcoin at all since bitcoin has all the attention, and we all know that the hype about the coin is what makes it strong.

[4] World war 3 or some calamity/disaster.
1237  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you Still believe in Fiat? on: March 11, 2017, 10:59:57 AM
I believe in Fiat because it will always be protected by the government. Fiat is a way of controlling people, so it will never disappear
Is the goverment using it for controlling you? Your word is bullshit. The people are not controlling by the goverment, another party or something like that. You believe in fiat because you can use it to fill your daily needs. And the goverment is never trying to controlling you dude. They just take care with the goverment financial system to supporting all of his civilians

I wouldn't be so harsh in your remarks

It is deep in the human nature to control other human beings, so we can't really expect that governments wouldn't be doing the same (since they are just a group of people which gathered some power). Essentially, the very idea behind power comes down to control over population (it is the definition of power itself). The laws accepted are there to do exactly that. The means and ways how this control is exerted may of course vary (from alleged democracy to genuine dictatorship). In fact, I'm inclined to think that you are kidding, are you?



It's alarming how people are so unaware of the "invisible hand" (term came from Mr. Robot, the tv series). You work so you'd get money, yes? You get money so you can finally get that good life that you've been longing all your life. But, since the government wouldn't allow you to get a lot of money from tons of hard work, you can never get a good life. After years of working and proving to your boss that you're worthy of promotion, you'd work and work and work until you die because that's just how it is. You finally get the life that you want but you're very busy on working to maintain the lifestyle that you don't even get to actually live.
1238  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you save bitcoin for fun or for future purpose? on: March 09, 2017, 02:22:37 PM
I save it only for future purposes. There's no need for me to save bitcoins for fun. I take this thing seriously. Money is a serious thing since we need it in order to live a good life in this world. Saving bitcoins for fun can only be achieved if you have much more money than the amount of bitcoins that you've been saving.

I believe that the price of bitcoin will someday skyrocket. Maybe not like in an instant but slowly. The news and updates about bitcoin will be the one that indicate if that process will be shorter or longer. Plus, I have a whole life ahead of me so saving all the bitcoins that I've been earning will be a key for me accelerating in the career that I will be pursuing.
1239  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin value tops gold for first time on: March 09, 2017, 02:11:21 PM
Sadly, the price has dropped now, but this comparison is a good evidence of bitcoin's unstoppable and rapid growth. It reflects how much attention people are paying for it and how surprisingly successful bitcoin has become. Like 7 years ago, who would ever think there does exist a day when an ounce of gold can be bought with just one bitcoin. That bitcoin has gained what gold has right now while it's still young is a clear evidence for a potential future.

Most of the first people that bought bitcoins, obviously. If we weed out those people that bought bitcoins because somebody close to them is highly recommending it that it's almost as if they were forced to buy bitcoins, what will be remaining are the true investors. Those true investors are either very lucky people that have stumbled upon a good article about bitcoins and believed in it right away or people that knew what was going on. It's not like the existence of bitcoin was kept secret. If you were already a trader at that time, you'd know about bitcoins since somebody in your circle of friends surely had the time to look at the incoming trends.

So yeah, those people believed in bitcoins and some of them are probably still holding tons of bitcoins. It didn't cost that much back then so holding tons of bitcoins isn't that big of a deal.
1240  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin money? on: March 09, 2017, 02:02:30 PM
I considered bitcoin as money thats served as a digital currency. When I learn bitcoin way back, it came into my mind that it is money that we could easily cashout into fiat.  Many users are hook into bitcoin because of its popularity and easy to use. Thus,  bitcoin is money when I earn it and cashout into my currency so easily.
Bitcoin is money. No matter how other people think, bitcoin is still a valuable property


That's just being not open to other people's opinion. "No matter what... bitcoin will still be money." I think bitcoin is more of a commodity than money. If bitcoin is used solely as money (since that's what we do with money), I don't think the price of bitcoin will be the same. Most of us are here because we think that bitcoin is a good way to invest our money. It's a commodity in a way that people bought it because of its value not because of its usability. Its usability is not that much as of now since it's not yet widely accepted.

Maybe time will come when bitcoins can finally be the currency that it is. When everyone's using it already and everyone's accepting it.
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