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1361  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is Holding Bitcoin a long time good way to make money? on: February 10, 2017, 06:42:13 AM
Bitcoin is the best investment for the coming decades , simply because many like bitcoin right now and the price will go further more due the old theory of demand and supply , but mostly important is to secure your investment .
I agree with you . we are fortunate to have known bitcoin today. because bitcoin we can use in the future. by holding I'm sure we can get a big profit in the future. we only spend money at this time, even if it means a sacrifice.

Bitcoin is still best investment as a long term investment and people who keep their coins long term have the best profit[1]. So if you buy Bitcoins now you are thinking for the future. Even at the big price like now it's worth to put some money at side and invest it to Bitcoin. Even better is if you can earn them.

[1] Not entirely true. The people that bought at 1,100$ years ago are still waiting. They are holding longer than those people that have bought bitcoins around last November/October yet the latter ones have much more profit than them. It's all about timing, it's not about who hold the coin the longest.

You can even surpass other bitcoin holders by playing with the price fluctuations. Those that plainly hold their coins are doomed to wait for a really long time before they can see good profit (it depends on their timing, still).
1362  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Great way to make Bitcoin! on: February 10, 2017, 06:29:54 AM
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But we should be careful when choosing a signature campaign, because there's the case of the
signature campaign which did not pay the participants. I prefer joining the signature campaign
is paying with bitcoin than signature campaign that pays with altcoin.

Just to be sure, always choose the campaign that escrows their funds or those campaign that is running for a while now. There are lots of campaign so you will not run out of choices.


Well I agree then. Signature campaign is an opportunity for the people who have just join the Bitcoin world[1]. However, there still many ways to make Bitcoin and they are much more profitable. Currently, I am focusing on studying and learning trading. Trading is very good and it will help you to multiply your Bitcoin into many times

[1] False. The minimum rank to join a decent signature campaign is Full member and a full member has 120 activities. That's 4 months of being in the bitcoin world. I don't think 4 months would mean that "you just joined the bitcoin world." Any rank that's lower than full member would just be wasting their time on signature campaign because it wouldn't pay that much unless you're lucky enough to stumble upon a high paying signature campaign for lower ranks. But I doubt that.


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But we should be careful when choosing a signature campaign, because there's the case of the
signature campaign which did not pay the participants. I prefer joining the signature campaign
is paying with bitcoin than signature campaign that pays with altcoin.

Just to be sure, always choose the campaign that escrows their funds or those campaign that is running for a while now. There are lots of campaign so you will not run out of choices.


Yes you are right people often run after when a signature campaign come into existence and they do not think that is that campaign have escrow their funds or not. It should be made compulsory to escrow the funds for starting a signature campaign so that the members will be secured for their hard work.

Sometimes, you just gotta risk it. It's just one week of work, no big deal with that I guess? Some are getting asked a lot for escrow but people are still joining their signature campaign. There's not that much signature campaigns that scammed their participants (I don't know about altcoin campaigns, though).
1363  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is bitcoin better or paypal? on: February 10, 2017, 06:19:40 AM
As long as you have Bitcoin exchange in your country, BTC is better, Paypal has lost the initial savour that makes it darling of people doing online transactions, now what BTC offers Paypal can not match it in any way.

People who is does not know about bitcoin will think that paypal is best transaction mode globally. But if we compare with bitcoins, we see that bitcoin is far better than paypal. Simple fees and fast than paypal. Then paypal involves in many email scams. I would choose bitcoin always.

I agree with you, we knows that bitcoin is better than paypal for the people know about bitcoin
maybe someday the people will know about bitcoin in the world

For buying with an unknown person online, I always vote PayPal is best because it has a buyers protection policy and the seller can't cheat. In the case of bitcoins if you are buying through a reputed known person yes it is simpler or easy. But if you want to buy from an unknown person then should go through with escrow and many times it delays your transaction, and it adds some additional fee as well and more time-consuming process. So I like both of them and use it accordingly.
but i think no one can even cheat if you are using bitcoin, because there are so many trusted escrow trough whom you can send and receive any amount of bitcoin from anywhere. so bitcoin is also a good way of transaction.
No, it's impossible, cheaters are everywhere and we can only be cheated if we allow them to cheat us. We are in the long world and there's plenty of smart people here who are using their knowledge just to scam people therefore we should know that possibilities and be smart all the time. Never trust easily, if you want to say in the crypto.
True, bad guys/cheaters are everywhere. People around the world will say paypal is good in some other ways  and some are not and these are the people maybe that don't have any knowledge in Paypal services, likewise in bitcoin some are don't believe in it too due to lack of knowledge about in bitcoin[1]. Which means I can say they are both good and helpful to anyone, only the difference was in Paypal nowadays are having issues to their clients in different places by complaining regarding about in their services, unlike in bitcoin not.

[1] Saying something bad about something doesn't always mean that you don't have any knowledge about it. Most of the time, it's actually because you know enough about it to say that something's not actually good. Paypal, for example, if you've been using it for a while now and you've been lurking around on forums, you would know that Paypal is being spammed because of their buyer's protection policy. I've read somewhere that simply claiming that you didn't authorize that transaction and/or you were hacked would be a successful way to refund your money.

Bitcoin, on the other hand, is frowned upon by those who don't have a deep knowledge about it because bitcoin is quite hard to understand if you don't put an effort to do so. It's not as intuitive as what they expected. Most people were referred to using bitcoins because they heard that you can make money from it. While that's true, it's not easy to start earning money from bitcoins. So their expectations was not achieved and there's tons of scammers in the bitcoin world. Enough to say that using bitcoin can be pretty bad to those that aren't cautious enough.
1364  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: actual number of people using Bitcoin? on: February 10, 2017, 06:10:15 AM
Those people who uses bitcoin could no be counted because they are infinite in values[1] and became larger in number of users. Everyday the users who decided to invest and transact with digital currency spending is multiplying its population, and it became more popular to all who doesn't knew bitcoin is best for their lives. For now, I dont think that btc influence will get vanish in time because the current price right now reached at 1k usd[2] and that would be a best options to take an opportunity.

[1] It is not infinite. Just finding out the number of all the wallets that created gives you the maximum limit. The population might be growing but it's definitely not infinite. Infinite users would mean infinite number of people in the internet

How can it be an upper limit if this number exceeds the world population (or may exceed)?

If I'm not mistaken, when you are using a web wallet (say, Coinbase), a new address is created every day you make transactions. So this number is utterly useless. It is like assessing the number of people currently living by the number of actively used Internet addresses across the Web. Theoretically, you could use this metric, but how useful will it be to make any reliable conclusion?

It doesn't, it just helps us lower and lower the upper limit[1]. Almost everything doesn't give a reliable conclusion. Even if we use the number of Internet users as the upper limit, it would still be useless since it's pretty obvious that we are much less than that. (I was just trying to point out that the population is not infinite but whatever.)

[1] It can go on like this (the number of population on each is going lesser and lesser):
1. Number of wallets that have been created. ~useless
2. Number of Internet users. ~useless
3. Number of accounts registered on bitcoin related forum. ~useless
4. Number of active accounts on all bitcoin related forum. ~kind of helps

I'd really appreciate if you can think of another way to lessen the upper limit because as it lowers, it makes us get more and more closer to a realistic one.
1365  Economy / Economics / Re: Should I believe in Bitcoin ? on: February 09, 2017, 06:10:35 AM
Bitcoin is a fluctuating currency, if you buy know you may gain when it rises,so kindly buy bitcoin because it apprecia the in vslue

You are right with it and that's why many investors liked to invest in bitcoin. Because of that fluctuation there is a chance to get profit easily when the price moves up and also the sad thing is that when the price starts to fall then that's going to be an effect that you are not going to earn good where you can possible lost instead of earning.
when it comes on bitcoin than the case will totally change . bitcoin is not a pump and dump thing. it is a big currency and the price ups and downs is a common thing for bitcoin. and its happening since it's start. I don't think little price down cause any loses to bitcoin users.


Actually those whales are making it a pump and dump thing and the advantage is always in them[1]. They are the ones that contributes most with it, because of a lot of bitcoins that they are holding, they are just buying and selling bitcoin. And when the price reach already in higher peak they will just dump it and when the price is kinda low again they will pump it again[2].

[1] But not 100% of the time the advantage is on them. For example, they were pumping the market and when they were about to dump, somebody has already dumped a huge amount of bitcoins. The profit was basically stolen from the whale. Pump and dump is not always a success because if it was, then this market should be pumping and dumping a lot. There's still risk to it.

[2] Like I said, why are we not seeing a pump and dump market right now? It's because pump and dump is not always a success even if you've been doing it for a long time already. The market detail is accessible by everyone and anyone can steal the profit from your pump and dump scam.
1366  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: actual number of people using Bitcoin? on: February 09, 2017, 06:03:17 AM
Those people who uses bitcoin could no be counted because they are infinite in values[1] and became larger in number of users. Everyday the users who decided to invest and transact with digital currency spending is multiplying its population, and it became more popular to all who doesn't knew bitcoin is best for their lives. For now, I dont think that btc influence will get vanish in time because the current price right now reached at 1k usd[2] and that would be a best options to take an opportunity.

[1] It is not infinite. Just finding out the number of all the wallets that created gives you the maximum limit. The population might be growing but it's definitely not infinite. Infinite users would mean infinite number of people in the internet.

[2] The price of bitcoin would be a good way to persuade someone because they might be thinking that they can get that much money but in actuality, they wouldn't get 1k usd even after a couple of weeks lurking in the bitcoin world. The only ones that get affected that much by the price of bitcoin are the people that are already using it, which is us.
1367  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think are the biggest disadvantages of Bitcoin? on: February 09, 2017, 05:46:54 AM
Biggest disadvantages are going to have to be the confirmation problem with bitcoin where nothing is instant and you must wait for someone to confirm the transaction[1]. I guess it is a trade-off being that it's impossible to recover but it's still kind of annoying.

Another annoying this has got to be the lack of adoption of bitcoin in the day to day world where you're forced to buy things with fiat cash instead of bitcoin[2].


[1] It might not be instant but it's much better than Western Union or other money remittance services. Back then, to send money overseas, you would have to be present in their store/shop so you can fill up a form, write your signature, hand the money, etc. But with bitcoin, we don't need to do all of these stuffs. Just imagine that 15 minutes of waiting as the same time that you'll spend when you drive to the store and do the necessary stuffs.

[2] The day before you're about to buy something in mall or something, withdraw your money from the local exchanger so it would be in your card the next day.

It's not that hard to keep some fiat with you or in your card since not all of your money is in bitcoin form.
1368  Economy / Economics / Re: Passive Income on: February 09, 2017, 05:15:16 AM
Please, can anyone post referral link on sites to earn passive income here?

Have you tried to create a youtube channel and post your videos there? It gives you an opportunity to advertise your projects and earn money not only from referrals but also from adsense as it is compatible with youtube. Also you can earn passive income from twitter and instagram if you have enough followers. It takes time but you can earn from it.
in fact, I've tried this way. trying to figure passive income from youtube. but, it is very difficult to find dollars from youtube. may require patience. but look at the people who have managed to generate a passive income from youtube, I think it is a promising revenue.
How do you earn passive income from youtube? As far as I know, you still have to post videos on your channel and wait for people to click it[1]. This is more like alternative source of income because putting in effort to make and post videos, while passive income in its sense is making money work for you, just like putting investments in stocks, mutual funds, online casinos, and even holding bitcoin, and waiting for those investments to give you income passively.

[1] That's how it is a passive income. After posting the video, you only have to wait for people to wait. You don't have to do anything else. If you want to increase your income, you have to post another video. then another, then another and another. It's essentially the same as the passive income that's on your mind. The only difference is that you're putting money into the investment on your said investment types but in Youtube, your input would be videos.

Passive income doesn't always mean investing in a company. And investment doesn't always have to be money.
1369  Economy / Economics / Re: How can we make more money? on: February 09, 2017, 05:06:34 AM
Trading can looks the best way and well is the only way where you can invest and you wont loose your balance at once, like the way it happens with gambling, but i started to believe sport bettings might be an amazing way of income, and with better odds then any altcoins at the moment, but it has a bigger risk as well.
trading is an excellent way to earn a lot of money, but as you say. it is quite risky. but I prefer trading, rather than gambling, because I feel that trading is to have a small risk, rather than gambling. in addition, investments may also a good way to produce bitcoin.
Trading is different with gambling. Traders who are experts can trade with a good strategy. So they trade not just by guessing the price of coin without doing calculations and analysis first. I think trading is a good way to get bitcoin because there is no possibility to be cheated or scamed[1].
An easier way is just buy bitcoin with fiat then wait until a few years[2]. So when we sell it back, we can get high profit.

[1] There is. You can be cheated by someone when they do pump and dump. You can also be scammed by the devs and this is actually occurring more and more often these days. The devs run away or simply leave the project because they only see it as a way to get a good amount of money in short time.

[2] The downside would be you would have to choose to not spend any of these bitcoins for a few years. If you can live without those money, then I guess it would be alright to hold them for a few years. To have some more bitcoins while holding, always keep an eye on the latest news and on the market.
1370  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Great way to make Bitcoin! on: February 08, 2017, 10:49:22 AM
The greatest ways to make bitcoins is from trading and from signature campaign and if you have any technical skills then it will be an added advantage as you can sell your services and can earn bitcoins regularly as you don't have to invest any money into it the only thing you invest is your time and efforts.

Or let's say if you have technical skills you don't have to do signature campaign anymore because taking advantage of your skill by doing a business is very profitable.
Let's say you are highly knowledgeable in trading - you don't have to do sign camp anymore! Will you have ample time of posting here when you are very busy making money in the market? I think not.  Smiley

Maybe not "ample" but just enough time if you know how to manage yourself. You're not going to watch the market 24/7. In trading, you simply have to wait for the right time to buy/sell or you can just put a buy/sell order. You're not going to be very busy just because you know how to trade. It's not everyday that the market is moving enough for you to have profits.

If you really want to earn money, you would still have time to post here even if you're trading as well. After all, having multiple source of income is a great way to make bitcoins.
1371  Economy / Economics / Re: Tell me a secret: any way to earn 0.1 BTC per week? on: February 08, 2017, 10:36:38 AM
I would like to know if anyone of you earns 0.1 BTC per week or even more? Is this possible and what is best way to earn it? Your experiences, suggestions and advices are very welcomed.
Some members earns as high as 0.5 btc per week cause  they are engage in diferrent programs  like ,investing ,trading,gambling and signature campaign. These are the main source of income today. But you must spend big amount money first before you earn big.

I don't think the right word is to "spend" but invest. There are times when you can start even without investing big amount of money. You can simply participate on signature campaign for altcoins when you want to trade altcoins. You can also get paid with bitcoins and then just deposit them in an exchanger. It's not money that you're going to invest but time and knowledge. It takes time to post and you also need to be knowledgeable about bitcoin and its latest updates.
1372  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are your thoughts for Bitcoin in 2017? on: February 08, 2017, 10:28:00 AM
I think the price would increase and the population would highly increase in 2017. I just read the article about Japan making bitcoin a legal payment method. You would expect that China would do this first since they have the most bitcoins, but it's actually Japan. There should be some consequences on this. There are some claiming that this might actually monopolize bitcoins.
1373  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do I grow my btc? on: February 08, 2017, 05:05:42 AM
Hey guys I'm not sure if this is the right place so please tell me if it is not. With that out of the way, I have a question for you all. I have recently been able to gather about .5 btc through minor trading and I was wondering if there was any method or way to grow this btc into a larger amount safely and fairly quickly. Thanks!
If you are looking  for a quick earning or to grow it faster Why not try to invest it in gambling, who knows you might get or hit the jacpot price, or try to invest in trading its up to you on which altcoin you gonna buy. just do some little bit research about the coin your going to buy so that your investment will not turn into waste.

Trust me, a lot of people have had that idea and most of them failed. There might even be some that ended up having gambling problems because they got so hooked to gambling.. Because, you know, "Why not try to invest it in gambling, maybe I hit the jackpot this time." The chance of you winning in gambling in the long run is near to zero since the mechanics of bitcoin itself would get you hooked in gambling, making you bet more and more until everything's gone.
1374  Economy / Economics / Re: Why have Bitcoin instead of cash? on: February 08, 2017, 04:30:03 AM
One of the problems with regular Fiat is that the government can print it in any quantity and often does so. If you do not have enough dollars to repay the national debt, the central bank simply can print more. If the economy is bursting at the seams, the government can throw these new money into the economy, using a popular process known as quantitative easing. This leads to a decrease in the value of the currency. Bitcoin was designed that it's number is limited. Initially it's impossible to get more than 21 millions of coins. This means that inflation hasn't place to be if you use bitcoin and keep your money in it.

So how come we're not just funding new more buildings and new workers all focused on making new money if we can always just pay them by printing more money? I don't think that's how it works. The government can't just print and print because that would greatly decrease the value of their currency.

There's also other factors to consider like they can't print more money because they can only print as much as the resources available in their country. Maybe even less than that. All of the excess printed money would just go to waste because people have nothing else to spend it on.
1375  Economy / Economics / Re: Does the Price of Bitcoin Matter? on: February 07, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
the price of bitcoin really matter ! maybe no just for me but also to the other crypto enthusiast will say that it really matters ! due to its volatile price it attract investors from all over the world to invest in bitcoin and to make its popular ! I also think that it becaus of its price bitcoin is the leading crypto currency all over the web ! and it is because of the price why many people use bitcoins ! Imagine of bitcoin has no valu at all ? will there be anyone who will use it ?

Bitcoin used to have no value at all compared to how much it is right now and how much will it be in the future. And there are people that were willing to use it. Those that have the guts to use bitcoins even if it has no value at all (I'm still talking about the starting phase of bitcoin) are all millionaires now. I think the same thing is happening on some altcoins as well. Just take a look at ICN. People dumped it thinking that it has no actual value and the price would just keep on decreasing. It just recently reached 50k sats on liqui this day.

Basically everything has started to have no value at all. But if the price of bitcoin is 1000$ and then it went back to no value at all. Then that's a different case. Every single one of us have already moved to using a different coin.
1376  Economy / Economics / Re: How to teach kids about Bitcoin? on: February 07, 2017, 12:04:26 PM
Well, I was trying to teach my sister to look for bitcoin with faucet, and games. but, he really is not interested in anything like that. Well, it may require patience large enough to teach children bitcoin, and it may have started with the easiest thing to understand.

It's because she is not striving to make money. She might not even have that will or desire to get money. She maybe wanting some money, but won't do any effort to make some.

Our mind would always choose fun over things like working to get money. Faucet sites are extremely boring and the games that you tried to make her play is pretty boring. All of these games are just faucet sites if you look at it.

If I didn't need any money, I wouldn't be here. I would still be that person that does nothing but lurk on 9gag and reddit, or play games all the time. Time will come and your sister would want things like a new phone or a new laptop. Maybe at that time she'll come to you and ask how to make some money.
1377  Economy / Economics / Re: How can we make more money? on: February 07, 2017, 11:53:59 AM
Do some Amazon mTurk then sell your Amazon credit via Purse.io, you'll get straight up BTC but at a discount to your Amazon credit. But hey if you believe in BTC like I do and that the price of BTC will keep going up - then it's a very good idea.
other than that you can sell your services or your skills, you can sell goods online by adding the price for you to profit. there are many ways you can do to get money out of bitcoin.
In my opinion earning bitcoin is easy through faucets, which doesn't require any investment - [1]. At the same such income cannot fulfil our needs. To have an earning which at least help to pay few bills we need to think some unique methods of making money. One such is the creation of online stores accepting bitcoin. It need more money and takes years to be popular but the profiting is an assured one - [2].

[1] - Everything that's easy isn't worth doing if you're after the earnings. Everyone can do it, so people only pay small for it.

[2] - You went from doing faucet sites, paying few bills, into making an online store that accepts bitcoin. The website alone would cost a lot. And then you have to do partnerships with the delivery service, Paypal, Bitcoin, etc. That's a lot of things to manage. After you set all of that up, you have to spend tons of money for advertising so you could create audience.

Setting up an online store might look easy because you see other people just making a facebook page for their store and then being able to sell stuffs. Trust me, that doesn't give you that much profit and it would be hard to browse through the stuffs you sell if you use facebook. You need your own website and company.
1378  Economy / Economics / Re: Why have Bitcoin instead of cash? on: February 07, 2017, 11:25:31 AM
Here is the difference:

-Cash-

1. Easy to steal
2. The value is fixed amount
3. Is not an investment
4. It's not an asset
5. Before you earn it you need to work it first to your boss
6. Unsafe/unsecured

-Bitcoin-

1. Very secured/ safety
2. Easy to use
3. Its an investment
4. Its an assets
5. It's an opportunity
6. It's your business
7. anonymous
8. Decentralized
9. Flexible
10. The value increase
11. It gives financial freedom
12. Passive income

This is the reason why I chose Bitcoin rather than cash.
I want to add some extra about why I prefer bitcoin than on paper money, because in practice the advantages of using bitcoin more.
for example: our hands will not be exposed to germs from other people and has no weight because we can store them online.

Paper money or fiat money might not be entirely clean but I haven't seen someone around got sick because he held money. Maybe if someone swallowed a coin, then there would be problems. Like how can the germs even go inside you? Only thing I can think of is through your mouth since your hands are used for eating. But who's unsanitary enough to never wash their hands before eating while being aware that they held different coins from different people?

I don't think that's a factor that would make people prefer having bitcoin instead of cash but it's a slight advantage, I guess.
1379  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Getting porn sites to accept bitcoin on: February 07, 2017, 11:10:45 AM
Because paid porn is different from free porn.

Check the link in my signature, there are many Shows absolutely for free. NSFW
But the user have the right to decide if pay of not.

Basically the same things as other websites where you pay for live shows only if you wanted to. But most of the time, you have to pay a certain amount of coin for the person on the live cam do a certain thing that you want them to do. Or you can simply wait for other people to spend their money since you all share the same show.

I'm actually talking about 'porn' that's filmed and not a live one in my post.



Because paid porn is different from free porn.

Check the link in my signature, there are many Shows absolutely for free. NSFW
But the user have the right to decide if pay of not.
Well, you're really great. maybe I'll try to visit a site that you use in your signature. you're so brave for having to advertise it. yeah, but I feel that something like this, very much in the dark web. Well, I heard it from someone who frequently visited the dark web.

There are a lot of paid services in dark web who offers videos of brutal porn and casual porn. - [1] It depends on your stomach can attain. But there are some now who are accepting bitcoins and they are one of the popular porn sites. - [2] That's good for their customers because they can't be traced by their wives and mistresses.  Cool

[1] - I don't think you have to pay to get those at all. The reason why they are in the deep web because you can't post it on common porn sites since it violates their policy (i.e. brutality, etc.) and it's illegal to torture someone. Sad to say but there are people that really enjoy this kind of stuff. Some even go to deep web just to browse child porn. If there's some on the normal net, they would surely just pay for it but that would make them easier to trace.

[2] - I really haven't been on a porn site that's accepting bitcoins or a porn site that advertise that they're finally accepting bitcoins. But I guess it's because I only browse common places.
1380  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns [Last update: 06-Feb-2017] on: February 07, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
I moved Qtum to FLUX because what's happening to their campaign is the same thing that's happening on WhyFuture. They are accepting new participants every time the previous round ends. The only difference is that in Qtum, there are people that are getting kicked out every round that's why a spot opens up. I'll put them back to CFNP if they said that they are not accepting any new participants even when they removed some participants.
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