I think we need a promotional team or at least one person, which will organize and handle contests such as signature contest proposed by frontbumper and also promote by any other means.
What do you think?
Do you want to be in Team Spread? Or maybe SpreadTeam? Some better name is necessary I think.
Spreader! If you are in Team Spread you can call yourself a Spreader! Hey Spreaders, how's the Spread going? |
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Ahh.. the good ole "diff 17" days..   @ Mr.Spread How do you plan to handle the intensity and other single/multi gpu configs and settings ? I have some tips if you're willing to include a Win7 mining tweaks/ guide. eg. How to's on, disabling media player/ internet browser hardware acceleration, driver updates, ect. The best way to achive a high level of decentralization would be to win over the single gpu/cpu users/newbies by making their involvement as seamless and as hassle free as possible. If successful, the swarm will leave the privkey whales with little to no WUs to feed on. Poor whale...  Hm, so the ultimate goal would be to have GPU mining directly from within the wallet, right? No external tools and conf file tweaking... Maybe have the wallet automatically detect if GPU is compatible and let the user simply click a button. Use CPU (x) --- Threads 1/2/3/4 Use GPU (x) --- Threads x/y/z etc START MINING |
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But SPR needs masternodes to be able to even contemplate anon transactions.
Maybe not. Spreadcoin already got rid of pools, and put the blockexplorer in its wallet. So, the question is... what will its next "victim" be?  I look at Spreadcoin and see a lone samurai. He want's everything to be simple, he is not depending on other people, there are no middlemen he works with. He always negotiates with bosses, not with their underlings. He trusts no one, not even his parents (bitcoin and darkcoin) He will always immediately cut overcomplicating things out of his life, because he strives for simplicity and function. He will not tolerate ANY CODEPENDENCY. |
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@georgem: Masternodes are what give Darkcoin it's utility, and therefore value. I'm all for keeping things simple, but you need a certain amount of infrastructure to get anything useful done. About messaging in wallet - Masternodes would make this pretty simple, but it's pretty simple anyway. I wrote a little encrypted p2p chat bolt-on for my Darkcoin Simple Wallet that used one of my Masternodes as a key store (address book basically) - it was pretty straightforward. I never took it too far though because extremely simple was all it had to be, send a short txt message to a given address. I didn't and don't want a full blown IRC/jabber/skype/etc. client bloating up my wallet and bringing untold vulnerabilities to my ecash. There are dozens of coins with in-wallet messaging and a hundred ways of doing it, Mr Spread could probably have it integrated in a day or two... but I hope he will keep Masternodes the priority. They really are an excellent technical and economic innovation, the n-of-m structure avoids centralisation of any service provision and makes them extremely attack resilient. Anyway, very glad to have you here chucking ideas about!  edit: How about we drop the 'coin' bit, just Spread? I hope Mr.Spread tries to redesign Masternodes from the ground up, and create his own truly decentralized versions of them. I am not against additional infrastructure per se, and having thousands of servers serving millions of wallets is a beautiful choreography. But can it be done more decentralized? Spreadcoin needs to explore this. |
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What about a reward program for Mr. Spread? Surely we can't expect him to endlessly do all these wonderful things for free!
A fraction of payout to him when MN is implemented?
Mr. Spread is against any form of centralization... so having a fraction of payout going to him thru Masternodes goes against decentralization. So I can safely say that Mr. Spread would never agree to any "built in reward program". |
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I think it should be based on the majority of the hashrate. If the majority of the hashrate agrees on masternode payments then others should be forced to accept it even if they don't agree with it and do not create forks. The only way to cheat would be 51% attack but with 51% you can do much worse things anyway.
I'm against introducing any centralization to SpreadCoin. "Hey, this is a decentralized currency but I have a magic switch with which I can turn on and off some major feature". This can be employed to avoid possible issues when introducing new features but not as a long term solution for any problem.
You are a principled guy, I like that. |
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I agree, it's true decentralised nature is what appeals to me. And Masternodes would be awesome! For the marketing aspect: - I think the logo is absolutely great! The website is nice and crisp, maybe a nice visual/scematic on the landing page would work, allthough I also like it with only text. - The purple color of the corporate identity should be the same everywere (I see some different shades now on the homepage). - I think we also should use an opensource freefont for the corporate identity. Now the Myriad is used, it is nice but copyrighted. I made some examples, 1. Montserrat, 2. Ubuntu (bitcoin typeface, however different weight and not slanted)  - I think the Dev and the community are the best marketing now, giving input in the thread, creating a good base for this coin. - With the graphics I can help, but maybe Susel wants to do that. - Can someone create a spreadaddress.org so paper/cold wallets can be generated? Thats it for now. Cheers I love the logo too, very much. In fact it's what caught my eye when I was scrolling down the coinmarketcap site the other day. |
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Message nodes is definitely an innovative idea.
I don't want to see SPR live in the shadow of DRK for long,that would be sad.
Diversity of features gives a coin identity.
Thank you sir. You said in 3 short sentences what took me half a thread page. |
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If Mr. Spread wants to go the direction of anonymity after masternode implementation, I would certainly support that as the first team to implement an extremely clean anonymity solution is going to have a very valuable coin on their hands. If he chooses to go another route towards a different sort of critical app, I'd support that as well, especially since your grandma probably doesn't care if the world knows that she's buying Depends off of Amazon with SPR.
So would I, I am just thinking out loud, because it seems like Mr.Spread hasn't really made up his mind yet. Take everything I say with a grain of salt, I am just an enthusiastic new investor. There is a reason why I like what Mr.Spread is doing, and it has NOTHING to do with darkcoin (except maybe parts of the source code). It seems like Spreadcoin is being pushed into the role of becoming just another darkcoin clone... that's what I don't like. We already have a masternode network...  It's THE masternode network. But P2P messaging and features along those lines? That's a very specialized app, a far cry from a critical app. And having Mr. Spread spend his time on something like that would be like having Beethoven write jingles for McDonalds commercials. Let's create the space for Mr. Spread to write a symphony that will last the ages.
If Mr.Spread continues to enhance the solo-mining experience of Spreadcoin while simultaneously implementing in-wallet features that work better than anything we have seen before, he IS a beethoven. Those are NOT trivial things at all, ...  If at a later point spreadcoin still has 100% compatibility with darkcoin, I say why not just add anonymity.... Sure... but something tells me that spreadcoin will need to be more or less 100% working like darkcoin for it to stay well compatible with ANY advanced anonymity features of darkcoin. So again... what does this mean... spreadcoin should stive to just be a darkcoin clone? Ridiculous. |
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I have a background in venture capital. One of the most common mistakes startups make is trying to do too much too soon.
But that's exactly my point. Let darkcoin perfect it's anonymization process... they already have the best developer for this. It will probably take darkcoin a few more years to develop a brilliantly working ecash solution. (those things need time, I hope you all are planning long term.) But meanwhile... what does Mr.Spread do? Just wait? Ofcourse not. He should concentrate on the things he's already proven to be exceptional in: 1) solo-mining / decentralization methods 2) best wallet I have seen to this day... ... so why not just continue walking this path? for example: 3) More wallet features (p2p messaging etc) 4) Even stronger solo-mining enforcing 5) keep offering people ONE WALLET AND NOTHING ELSE ----- > MOST SPREADABLE COIN EVER.( I even hope that Mr.Spread figures out a way to make GPU mining impossible or rather irrelevant... I am dreaming ofcourse... or am I?) Does spreadcoin even want to become an "anonymous coin"? For me this is not so important because d'uh I already have darkcoin being developed! And pseudonimity would suffice for 90% of the stuff I'd want to do online. |
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That's a bit silly since you'd be downloading lots of mb's of messages but not storing them.
But that's the point. The blockchain needs storing. The messages don't! (the "message blocks" (containing the messages each pointing to the transactions contained in the blockchain blocks of every minute) could be stored in the data folder temporarily, and deleted after a while, say after 24-48 hours) |
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We have message nodes that are free to run. When your wallet recieves a transaction it checks with the message nodes for messages sent at that same time and it downloads your message and decrypts it. To make sure the messaging nodes don't know the ip of the addresses we could make each wallet randomly check the message nodes even when they don't receive a transaction. Then the nodes won't know which address corresponds with each ip.
We can also have a limit to how long messages are stored. Maybe after a fortnight of storage on the message nodes the message is deleted.
What if a wallet / message node constantly receives and sends thru completely random messages that are sent around the world at every moment? Like a stream of data, that SPREADS (again this word) thru all the wallets ... ... and only the wallet that realizes that the message is designated for it will open it and be able to make it readable. It will probably even keep sending the message to other nodes for a while, so as not to reveal that it was the "endpoint" for this message. ... this way we wouldnt need ANY ip obfuscation... Think of it like a constant stream of data (a stream of bottle messages), and nobody sees that you briefly took a bootle out of the stream, read its content and put it back into the stream with all the other bottles... |
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Wouldn't this bloat the blockchain? Unless the chat is not recorded into the blockchain I don't think this would be very good.
This would need to happen outside of the blockchain. Messages are not something that has to be kept for eternity on a distributed ledger, in the contrary. It is something to throw away as soon as possible.It must only be assured that a message is encrypted and reaches its destination. After that, they are kept within the wallet.dat or so (if wanted). NOT the blockchain. The blockchain would only be used by the messaging system as some kind of control mechanism: To reassure that only the owner of an address can also read the message that has been sent (thru p2p NOT "thru the blockchain") to his address. So probably Spreadcoin should NOT try to mimic darkcoin and its masternodes 1 on 1. Instead it should strive to implement some kind of CHEAP and easily available MESSAGE NODES. Forget masternodes... (doesn't requiremenet of 1000 DRK etc lead to just another form of centralization?) What if EVERY SINGLE spreadcoin wallet would act as message node? For free? I see a recurring meme with spreadcoin: It must be INCLUSIVE to spread easily. But special expensive masternodes are very EXCLUSIVE (meaning only people with money or early adopters get to have them). There is nothing more INCLUSIVE than the spreadcoin wallet itself. Just download a wallet and you are good to go. Just download a wallet and you can mine, message, etc.. at this point SPREADCOIN would really deserve its name. And truly hold up to its name. We don't need pools, we don't need servers, we just need wallets and the network they create. Period.And the underlying blockchain that keeps all that together. Therefor I hope that spreadcoin and darkcoin (while obviously very friendly towards each other) do NOT walk a similar walk, but both of them try different things. That's also the best way to reassure that darkcoin investors will want to ADDITIONALY invest in spreadcoin... not because it is BETTER than darkcoin, or about to replace it or whatever, but because they are perfectly complementing each other. IMHO, spreadcoin shouldn't even try to go for anonymous mixing methods and stuff... don't copy darkcoin. Just do one thing only: spreading the sprevolution.Let's concentrate on keeping the coin very solo-mineable and let's introduce an encrypted pseudoanonymous messaging service (pseudoanonymous as in: you don't know WHAT the message is, but you could probably find out to what address it was sent). Think about "E-Mail with money in it". Can you imagine. This is spreadcoin, it should not walk in the shadow of darkcoin. It should walk by itself. |
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wish to see Mr.Spread to add more fancy features into this great coin~~ Mentioned to M Spread earlier, since no pools and stats, maybe we can add some other kind of graph or informations to Qt to monitor mining. What kind of stats would you like to see? Local hashrate will be mostly constant I think. I strongly recommend Dev to add P2P chat funtion like talkcoin (which is dying for its dev is a scamer). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=619210Since SPR has no pool,mining means the wallet is online ,which is the same with talkcoin. Dev,plz consider my advice. BTW: I appreciate your efforts made in the past months,thanks. Very nice. P2P chat. And instead of having usernames you just "talk" to SPR addresses. So when someone sends me money, I can personally talk back to him (even without really knowing who he is) and thank him etc... |
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I'm pretty sure that Mr. Spread is pretty open to the communities input on what they would like to see in the coin which is what makes him such an amazing and terrific dev He listens to what the people supporting his coin want to see and he looks into helping out in anyway that he possibly can which is awesome of a dev to do for a coin that they have dedicated so much time to creating I guess Mr.spread is buy with MN right now. When MS finished,I am very much looking forward to the p2p messaging feature ~ I am still reading up on the whole thread, now on page 47, lol. I want to know everything that happened before. |
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The nice thing is the community is so friendly and so open to having new people come and join the Sprevolution The more people that SpreadCoin attracts to its community the better it is for everyone that is involved with SpreadCoin plus the fact that the mining is getting to the point where it's not worth dumping below 25k a coin is also nice for the price to stay stable and slowly grow Sprevolution? This thread is a goldmine of meme-worthiness. |
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The problem is buying and buying does nothing if there's never any value added. DVC still, for all intents and purposes, has no value. It has to create it. DVC has to be treated like a business. If I opened a store locally that earned $0, people wouldn't invest. If it was profitable, they would. DVC is the same way.
Ofcourse. We need someone who sells something valuable and accepts Devcoin for it. That's how you create a devcoin related business. |
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Well you better hope someone on the Rich list is feeling generous then Because I don't think that honestly the price of this coin is going to stay down for too much longer but then again that is just my opinion Just down to 0.00034000 and I am all set and invested enough to spend the next weeks/months creating animations and memes. Don't run away guys!!! Oh I'm sure we will see high 25k to 29k again at least one more time but I don't think we are going to see it much cheaper than that anymore Me neither. |
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Well you better hope someone on the Rich list is feeling generous then Because I don't think that honestly the price of this coin is going to stay down for too much longer but then again that is just my opinion Just down to 0.00034000 and I am all set and invested enough to spend the next weeks/months creating animations and memes. Don't run away guys!!! |
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Someone is on a buying spree this afternoon/evening at Bittrex:
yeah,I've saw it,about 3BTC worth SPR,just happend within the past half an hour. BTC is cheap now It is probably georgem I am still slowly buying in... don't move the price up too far too fast dammit. |
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