The report linked is from 2015 BTW.
What report? Your link says "28 April 2022" The one published by Veleor. It is from 2015 and my point is that he is all right using this to justify the war of aggression but hides the fact that it is currently the RF that is preventing the OSCE to inspect the situation on the terrain - you know... like if they had something to hide? (wink wink) So it is OK when they publish something about some Ukrainian ignoring human rights, but it does not matter if they are saying that the RF is simply not allowing them to work. Well, do Russians in this situation have any reason to trust ANY organization coming from West? I mean, nazi Germany central bank didn't face such harsh sanctions, for example Did they have any more reason to trust it in 2015? Germany did suffer a ultra-severe war reparations bill after WWI - many argue that it is a main reason for WWII. Regarding Nazi Germany, the US was quite ambivalent, and there were even Germanophiles in the UK and other countries. But just not to digress... Nazi Germany was sent to the stone age in the end. "Sanctions" simply mean a restriction to open trade. If a country is behaving like an enemy, it would be just stupid to keep trading with it as if nothing was happening. For example, knowing that the RF will use proceeds from the sale of oil to keep paying the mobilisation of the army that is attacking your future partner, it would not make sense to keep buying it. If you are anchoring you multi-billion boat on an European port while attacking an Ukrainian city, you should not be surprised if it is seized. I do not really see any issue on having sanctions. |
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The report linked is from 2015 BTW.
What report? Your link says "28 April 2022" The one published by Veleor. It is from 2015 and my point is that he is all right using this to justify the war of aggression but hides the fact that it is currently the RF that is preventing the OSCE to inspect the situation on the terrain - you know... like if they had something to hide? (wink wink) So it is OK when they publish something about some Ukrainian ignoring human rights, but it does not matter if they are saying that the RF is simply not allowing them to work. |
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"Based on the information collected by the Foundation, a clear conclusion can be drawn that most of the torture victims are not members of the Donetsk or Lugansk People’s Republics’ self-defense forces, but civilians. A ‘reason’ for arrest and torture of civilians by the Ukrainian side can be as simple as involvement in anti-Euromaidan rallies, participation in Russian TV shows, expression of your opinion on the Internet, involvement in pro-DPR rallies, participation in the referendum, ‘possession of a telephone number of a Russian journalist’, ‘Caucasian names – Aslan, Uzbek’ in the personal phone contacts, a phone conversation with people from ‘the Donetsk People’s Republic’, ‘receiving medical assistance in the DPR’, etc. The same absurdity and lack of substantial evidence is characteristic of the other accusations".
There are also videos and articles about how Ukrainian aircraft and artillery fired on the LPR and DPR civilians.
Warning! The footage below contains violent scenes!
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Oh, I forgot to answer this bit... https://www.osce.org/chairmanship/516933OSCE Chairman-in-Office and Secretary General announce upcoming closure of Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine “This is not an easy decision to take. We have explored all possible options through political dialogue with participating States to achieve the renewal of the Special Monitoring Mission’s mandate, but the position of the Russian Federation left us with no choice but to take steps to close down the Mission,” said Chairman-in-Office Rau. “The Mission played a crucial role in providing objective information on the ground, facilitating ceasefires and working to ease the effects of the conflict on the civilian population. The work of the SMM’s members deserves our appreciation and gratitude”. So, you are quoting the report of an organisation that is clearly saying that it is the RF and Adolf Putin that are not allowing them to work in Ukraine? The report linked is from 2015 BTW. |
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@icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other lusers have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.
Hey, that's right. We're gonna getcha if you don't censor. Look out! Better make yourself a nice safe-space nest. Don't be embarrassed; all the kids are doing it these days. It's the new way to cope. https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?t=54You have many threads to express your views or you can open your own, yet a few here prefer to throw completely off-topic half-baked "views" here to annihilate any on-topic conversation. |
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On your interpretation of the news as "Ukraine being doomed to defeat and loss of territories", it seems like you are reading half of the text only. The RF may eventually get to steal some land from Ukraine and call that a victory, but that happens only after 40 or even up to 50 thousand RF soldiers die for Adolf Putin, a chunk of the RF airforce becomes planting pots for Ukrainian sunflowers, a chunk of RF's economy dissolves and more than half a million well prepared Russians go to work to other countries, the RF gets more and more isolated in diplomacy and can only trade at a discount with partners that are willing to risk sanctions and is unable to find anyone willing to make a significant investment. I personally do not call that a success, but that's just me.
As said, there are winners on this war, the RF is not one of these.
Is that a victory?
I think you use many assumptions here. Also, typical western error of looking at everything through purely materialistic glasses Sure, you do not drink ,eat have a roof and some source of income (job, business or rents). You live of prayers to Lenin and watching performances of the Bolshoi. Wake up, when economy is fucked people die and struggle to raise their children. |
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... Many prominent American and European military experts and journalists do not share this optimism at all and argue that Ukraine is doomed to defeat and loss of territories in any case. ... NRC - June 2, 2022 Ian Buruma"Ukraine's demand that Russia withdraw from all their territory is a legitimate move. But it's a move, not an ultimatum. Once negotiations begin, compromises will have to be made. This could mean that Ukraine renounces its desire to join NATO. It could also end in Russian rule in Crimea and parts of the Donbas".The New York Times - June 4, 2022 Ross Douthat"But given the state of the war right now, the more likely near-future scenario is one where Russian collapse remains a pleasant fancy, the conflict becomes stalemated and frozen, and we have to put our Ukrainian policy on a sustainable footing without removing Putin’s regime or dismantling the Russian empire".The National Interest - June 4, 2022 Hugh De Santis"Having come to the defense of Ukraine, the United States and its allies must persuade Kyiv to bring this war to an end, including by imposing limits on further military aid as leverage. A Ukrainian military victory is not in the cards, and a negotiated outcome is the only realistic goal. To achieve it, Zelenskyy and his advocates in Eastern Europe and the Baltic states must accept that Ukraine will be a neutral state and that it will concede to Russia the Donbas oblasts of Donetsk and Luhansk, as well as Crimea. Given the sentiment of Russian separatists in the Donbas, retaining the region would be fraught with continuing tension in the future".... Die Welt - June 5, 2022 Edward Luttwak"The curious and strange thing about Russia is that even if it didn't have nuclear weapons, it would be impossible to achieve a Ukrainian victory in the sense that the Russians would be forced to withdraw completely, maybe even from Crimea".
Are you aware of what it means to be accepted into the EU? It immediately triggers a number of large aid packages for any region that is below the average wealth, income or employment. I am no fool, this comes with strings attached, but it would be in Ukraine's hands to make good use of these resources and become a marvellous place in the next decade with growth and thriving cultural life.
Ukraine will not become a member of the EU in the next 15-20 years for many reasons: disputed territories, a huge external debt, a high level of corruption, numerous violations of human rights, oppression of people based on their nationality, etc. If this is not enough for you, then study the comments of the EU officials. ... French President Emmanuel Macron: "Ukraine bid to join EU will take decades".Dutch PM Mark Rutte: "Unlikely that Ukraine will become a candidate for EU membership".Italy PM Mario Draghi: "Almost all major EU countries oppose granting Ukraine candidate status".
... Now, what is the alternative for Ukraine? Become a satellite of the RF and a personal possession of Adolf Putin? Is that the alternative to start making the changes and advances required to be a full member of the EU? The choice is obvious. Of course, while hostilities last, Ukraine would not be able to join the EU. The process of joining is a complex one and requires extensive agreements, it usually takes years plus to achieve the conditions to be admitted if your country comes from the former USSR and is still under development. Despite this, there is no issue in reaching a support and help agreement or an special treatment for Ukraine - they have earned that certainly. There are many middle-ground situations for Ukraine that do not require full membership but still can make a big impact in the economy of Ukraine. I seem to recall that Spanish negotiations to join the EU took around 4 years and costed reforms in the fishing fleet, the industry and the agriculture. And, despite enduring some corruption from certain parties, it certainly made the economy thrive. I can see Ukraine following a similar path, hopefully avoiding the mistakes. You may be surprised but even Belarus had EU aid programmes during COVID. On your interpretation of the news as "Ukraine being doomed to defeat and loss of territories", it seems like you are reading half of the text only. The RF may eventually get to steal some land from Ukraine and call that a victory, but that happens only after 40 or even up to 50 thousand RF soldiers die for Adolf Putin, a chunk of the RF airforce becomes planting pots for Ukrainian sunflowers, a chunk of RF's economy dissolves and more than half a million well prepared Russians go to work to other countries, the RF gets more and more isolated in diplomacy and can only trade at a discount with partners that are willing to risk sanctions and is unable to find anyone willing to make a significant investment. I personally do not call that a success, but that's just me. As said, there are winners on this war, the RF is not one of these. Is that a victory? I despise corruption, but in cold and analytic terms, the risk occurs when the money is taken outside the country to hide. If the regime is corrupt but buys local assets or spends the money in the country, it will still enter the local economy.
Thats why you should read Perkins book I linked earlier Some quotes from his book: “I’m haunted every day by what I did as an economic hit man (EHM). I’m haunted by the lies I told back then about the World Bank. I’m haunted by the ways in which that bank, its sister organizations, and I empowered US corporations to spread their cancerous tentacles across the planet. I’m haunted by the payoffs to the leaders of poor countries, the blackmail, and the threats that if they resisted, if they refused to accept loans that would enslave their countries in debt, the CIA’s jackals would overthrow or assassinate them. I wake up sometimes to the horrifying images of heads of state, friends of mine, who died violent deaths because they refused to betray their people. Like Shakespeare’s Lady Macbeth, I try to scrub the blood from my hands. But the blood is merely a symptom.” “The English major looked me directly in the eyes. "Stop being so greedy," she said, "and so selfish. Realize that there is more to the world than your big houses and fancy stores. People are starving and you worry about oil for your cars. Babies are dying of thirst and you search the fashion magazines for the latest styles. Nations like ours are drowning in poverty, but your people don't even hear our cries for help. You shut your ears to the voices of those who try to tell you these things. You label them radicals or Communists. You must open your hearts to the poor and downtrodden, instead of driving them further into poverty and servitude. There's not much time left. If you don't change, you're doomed." Several days later the popular Bandung politician, whose puppet stood up to Nixon and was impaled by Bucket Man, was struck and killed by a hit-and-run driver.” “I thought about the core tools we EHMs used in my day: false economics that included distorted financial analyses, inflated projections, and rigged accounting books; secrecy, deception, threats, bribes, and extortion; false promises that we never intended to honor; and enslavement through debt and fear. These same tools are used today. Now, as then, many elements are present in each “hit,” although that likely is evident only to someone willing to delve deeply into the story behind the story. Now, as then, the glue that holds all of this together is the belief that any means are justified to achieve the desired ends. Alike government; instead, they would draw their salaries from the private sector. As a result, their dirty work, if exposed, would be chalked up to corporate greed rather than to government policy.” I fail to see anything new on any of this. An inflammatory text full of accusations, empty of documents or proof and quite biased. Do not get me wrong, I am not saying that all those thing never happened, just saying that the RF taking Ukraine does not look like a solution to any of them. |
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Let's see how Russia will be able to sell about 3 million barrels that were going to Europe and its allies.
Through the Druzhba pipeline? Haven't you realized yet that the EU oil embargo is pure farce and bluff. Hungary did not join the embargo, Bulgaria, Slovakia and Croatia did, but with a number of reservations and delays. A large refinery in East Germany that produces aviation fuel for the whole of Europe is designed for heavy Russian oil, and it is easier to build a new plant than to reconfigure an old one. Europe has painted itself into a corner with populist statements by incompetent politicians, and now their voters will have to pay the price. Russia does not need to sell three million barrels to Europe when Europe is driving up oil prices through its actions. It is enough to sell two million and get the same money or even more. False. The embargo is real. The oil bought by those countries is 10% of the total and does not make any difference. Hungary is as close as a country can get to being expelled from the EU for failing to follow the rule of law, implementing one state of exception after another. They are already excluded from the EU funds for those reasons. Let them buy from Adolf Putin, eventually they may only be able to buy from him. There is no lack of refining capability in Europe, there is no lack of heavy crude oil in the world. Unfortunately, the RF citizens are going to have a though time in the next decade. US and EU are avoiding what is called "secondary sanctions" to India and China, but India will pay a price for this eventually. |
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@icopress, may I ask you to open a self-moderated thread? Some other users have mentioned it and I think that, at this point, it may be the only way to save this thread.
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Hello, everyone!
My name is Ksenia Molchanova and I'm actually born and raised in Ukraine and lived in Russia at the start of the War.
Fortunately I was able to leave this country with the help of my American friend (she buyed me a ticket to South Korea).
(God bless you, Masha Landau)
At the beginning of the war I couldn't believe that it's really heppanning, I felt that I trapped in a nightmare and lived there every day, and most of people (not all, thank God) behind me are Zombies or something like that. I was among protesters in Moscow, but it became really dangerous. And after that I felt that I can't be in Russia, I can't deal with a country who is attacking my Motherland.
So I left and am typing this message from Korea now. I chose this country because I know Korean and I could go there without a visa.
I am a writer (mostly ghost writer), and my 2 fantasy books were written in Russian, but now I want to translate it to Chinese and English of course. I don't want to promote it in Russia anymore.
My father still lives in Ukraine, in Transcarpathia. My mom stayed in Russia. So I really want this war to stop.
I don't know how it will turn out here - I wanted to apply for refugee status, but I am still in quarantine here (tomorrow it will end), so I couldn't do it yet. I hope everything will be alright with me, and I find money to live here (now I have only 300$ left). And I hope everything will be alright with the World.
So this was my little story about how this conflict changed my life. It's not about bitcoin, but I'm studying this area now so I found this Forum.
I was lucky, many people in Ukraine and even Russia didn't. I am lucky, although I still don't know what next for me.
God bless you all.
Ksenia Molchanova
You are one of the nearly 500.000 RF citizens that had to go away thanks to Putin's erratic leadership. You have my sympathy and I really hope you manage to get help and eventually get back on your feet. You are brave and you have done the best thing given the situation. May the Gods help you. The EU can provide funds, but they cannot do the citizens work nor implement the rule of law. That is the choice and the task of the people of a country: to make sure that their politicians have to answer if they misbehave - much easier in any minimally functional democracy than under a tyranny. I despise corruption, but in cold and analytic terms, the risk occurs when the money is taken outside the country to hide. If the regime is corrupt but buys local assets or spends the money in the country, it will still enter the local economy. |
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Thank you for acknowledging that Ukraine didn't implement those two points. Words have meanings, you should look up differences between "impossible" and "undesirable"!
1) "did Ukraine abide by the Minsk agreements from 2014 until 2022?" -> "Of course, they did."
2) "This point was not fulfilled by Russia. It was impossible to accomplish anything else with Russia."
That is objectively called lying! You're not going to raise any support by lying! You can't expect anyone with half a brain to fall for such cheap trick! You can finger point all day long, explain how they weren't fair, or provide reasons why Ukraine didn't implementing Minsk agreements by blaming DPR/LPR not implementing other points first, that's all fine, but what you cannot do is fool people by saying that Ukraine implemented Minsk agreements. That's just a lie, you ruin any credibility you've had by claiming such nonsense, and trying to make idiots out of the readers!
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I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE. This is public information, there is nothing new in what I am saying and you are simply looking at one side with absolute disregard for any element of balance or equanimity in the information provided. Minsk II it was a manoeuvre by Adolf Putin to pat the back of Macron and let him think he was on the path to the Nobel Peace Price. No wonder Adolf Putin considered that Europe would not do anything. RE credibility and taking people for fools, you need now to answer a few questions: 1) Did Adolf Putin's RF respect THEIR side of the agreement? 2) The RF is justified on an attempt to a full invasion of Ukraine because the treaty was, in your view, not respected by Ukraine? Is that your idea of proportionality? 3) If so, would not now an full scale invasion of the RF be justified by Adolf Putin's actions? You should not try to play this cheap and accuse when anyone can learn about the fact even with a minimum search. No wonder you are defending this war of aggression and the mass killings. Following reports of Ukrainian positions being shelled from the Russian side of the border, between 22 and 25 August 2014, Russian artillery, personnel, and what Russia called a "humanitarian convoy" crossed the border. Russian crossings reportedly occurred both in areas that were controlled by pro-Russian forces and those that were not, such as the south-eastern part of Donetsk Oblast, near Novoazovsk.[42][43] The Head of the Security Service of Ukraine, Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, called the events of 22 August a "direct invasion by Russia of Ukraine" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas#cite_note-53The Minsk II deal set out military and political steps that remain unimplemented. A major blockage has been Russia’s insistence that it is not a party to the conflict and therefore is not bound by its terms. In general, Moscow and Kyiv interpret the pact very differently, leading to what has been dubbed by some observers as the “Minsk conundrum”. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/9/what-is-the-minsk-agreement-and-why-is-it-relevant-nowThe agreement contains a timeline for implementation but no binding mechanism, though certain elements—for example, promises to respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine, efforts by France and Germany to help restore financial links with the separatist territories, and promises to continue trilateral dialogue between the EU, Ukraine, and Russia as well as the Normandy-format discussions—are quite important from a technical perspective. https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/59059All military agreements to end conflicts are signed under a threat, that's kind of their thing. Following that logic, should capitulation of Germany be anulled because it was also signed under some threats? 1) Did Adolf Putin's RF respect THEIR side of the agreement?Disregarding your cheap name calling, clearly not. And if i tried to claim otherwise you should call me out on it. And if i tried to claim that RF respected their side of the agreement and then afterwards tried to justify that by claiming that it was impossible for RF to do so because UA didn't as well, you'd be right to call me a liar. So it'd be nice to find some common ground to clean up clear fakesAnd no i don't find this war as justified as much as inevitable. Like i previously said, had it not been Ukraine, i'd be asked to justify fighting against political freedom in Belarus, if not that then LGBT+ freedoms for Kazakhstan, if not that then religious freedom for Chechnya etc... Point being is there are a lot of unfair things happening everywhere in the world, and a hegemony can always exploit one part of the world to start a righteous conflict in another where is suits it. Yeah it sucks that it happened in Ukraine, yes innocent people are dying, yes they are made to believe that they're fighting for their freedom against main evil Orc Adolf, but ultimately they're just being exploited with a soft power ( a carrot freedom cookie ) with already foreknown outcome. That's why i take no joy seeing Ukraine encouraged to fight till they reach Moscow or the last standing Ukrainian. It's like watching a much smaller kid trying to fight a big kid, everyone egging on a smaller kid from a side is not his friend and is not doing him any favors. You just made the perfect comparison. Now it seems a bit different, but in my time teachers did not pay attention to bullies. I learned very quickly that a bully may punch you three times, but if you at least manage to punch his face once, they do not come back (getting a broken nose is not in their plans). Now, if you give in, you are their pet forever. However the metaphor is not realistic. The RF was supposed to be the big bully in the yard, but Ukraine is proving that all that theoretical and propagandistic might is just façade. Their "air supremacy" is not there, their "high precision weaponry" is not really high precision and is very limited, and above all, their leadership is no less corrupt that it was in WW I. As of now, the RF citizens are not willing to enlist. They had to call on the elder up to 60 years and on foreign mercenaries to do their dirty laundry. That should tell you why the bully may actually not come back for more. Ukrainians are fighting a war worth being fought and they understand that living under Adolf Putin's thumb is not an option. 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Once Europe and Asia will join ,Africa will join also in a mega continent Europe + Asia + Africa ...after that South America has no choice but to join in ...and then USA will lose all it's powers ...it will become just a simple country,no more freebies for them.
Bull crap. Europeans don't even like Asian people. That's they formed the European Union in the first place. To separate themselves from the Middle Easterners and Asians. And don't even get me started with Africa. Sigh. Yeah I am sure the Europeans are dying to invite Africans in. You sound like you are on a crack pipe. Put it down. This post falls into the humour section rather than in politics. I will just explain a couple of basic concepts that anyone with minimal education knows: "liking" is a bit of a simplification. Countries and nations get together on shared culture, views, religion, education level, rent levels,... There is nothing shared between the despotic regimes of Asia and the RF and the liberal democracies of Western Europe. Even inside the West, some countries have similarities and tend to have better relations than others for the same reasons. It is just human nature, we are more keen to share and join those that we consider more "similar" to us. It is not really logical, some studies link it to genetics and Darwinian evolution causes. |
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I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE.
Now it doesn't matter, forget about the Minsk agreements, they have lost their relevance. There are two types of people, some in a difficult situation ask "What to do?", while others ask "Who is to blame?". I urge you not to engage in fruitless searches on whom to blame for what happened, this is an infantile position in life. It is wiser and more productive to actively look for a way out of the current situation, and not the reasons for getting into it. It will take about the same amount of force, but the result will be significantly different. Now Ukraine is facing an incredibly difficult challenge associated with the complete loss of its statehood - that's what you should focus on! Otherwise, there will be no Ukraine soon, as it did not exist before 1917. I think that there is plenty of Ukraine and that, even with just the assets that can be taken from Adolf Putin, his family and the plutocrats it could become a great country to live and work in. The billions in London and NY flats, the gold reserves that are outside Russia, the immense asset base that all the plutocrats have all around Europe... You can move your yatch, but you cannot move your villas in Spain, you flats in London, your gold in the US.... You cannot move your planes unless you want the confiscated, you cannot sell your shares,... More than enough for a fair war compensations. It will be an epically "Karma" situation that the wealth stolen by the Plutocrats and Adolf Putin from the RF people end up as schools, hospitals, road and bridges all shiny and new right across the border and protected by a NATO treaty. Yup, west will "help" them as much as it "helped" Kurds, Libyans, Syrians, etc...there's no chance that they ever see any of those money I suggest you to read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081Are you aware of what it means to be accepted into the EU? It immediately triggers a number of large aid packages for any region that is below the average wealth, income or employment. I am no fool, this comes with strings attached, but it would be in Ukraine's hands to make good use of these resources and become a marvellous place in the next decade with growth and thriving cultural life. I recommend you to read this web page (it is shorter and TBH less expensive than the book you mention) https://ec.europa.eu/info/research-and-innovation/funding/funding-opportunities/funding-programmes-and-open-calls_enHorizon Europe
Health Programme
Cohesion Fund
Environment and climate action (LIFE)
European Regional Development Fund (ERDF)
Structural Reform Support Programme (SRSP)
European Structural and Investment Funds (ESIF)
Research Fund for Coal and Steel (RFCS) Do you wonder why Ukraine would rather show the middle finger to Adolf Putin now? But, particularly, since Adolf Putin is making such an effort on getting RF assets (and his own) frozen, there may be extra support on the ground of "war reparations"... why not? It is not like if Europe is going to ask the RF any favours in the future IMHO. |
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I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE.
Now it doesn't matter, forget about the Minsk agreements, they have lost their relevance. There are two types of people, some in a difficult situation ask "What to do?", while others ask "Who is to blame?". I urge you not to engage in fruitless searches on whom to blame for what happened, this is an infantile position in life. It is wiser and more productive to actively look for a way out of the current situation, and not the reasons for getting into it. It will take about the same amount of force, but the result will be significantly different. Now Ukraine is facing an incredibly difficult challenge associated with the complete loss of its statehood - that's what you should focus on! Otherwise, there will be no Ukraine soon, as it did not exist before 1917. I think that there is plenty of Ukraine and that, even with just the assets that can be taken from Adolf Putin, his family and the plutocrats it could become a great country to live and work in. The billions in London and NY flats, the gold reserves that are outside Russia, the immense asset base that all the plutocrats have all around Europe... You can move your yatch, but you cannot move your villas in Spain, you flats in London, your gold in the US.... You cannot move your planes unless you want the confiscated, you cannot sell your shares,... More than enough for a fair war compensations. It will be an epically "Karma" situation that the wealth stolen by the Plutocrats and Adolf Putin from the RF people end up as schools, hospitals, road and bridges all shiny and new right across the border and protected by a NATO treaty. |
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Thank you for acknowledging that Ukraine didn't implement those two points. Words have meanings, you should look up differences between "impossible" and "undesirable"!
1) "did Ukraine abide by the Minsk agreements from 2014 until 2022?" -> "Of course, they did."
2) "This point was not fulfilled by Russia. It was impossible to accomplish anything else with Russia."
That is objectively called lying! You're not going to raise any support by lying! You can't expect anyone with half a brain to fall for such cheap trick! You can finger point all day long, explain how they weren't fair, or provide reasons why Ukraine didn't implementing Minsk agreements by blaming DPR/LPR not implementing other points first, that's all fine, but what you cannot do is fool people by saying that Ukraine implemented Minsk agreements. That's just a lie, you ruin any credibility you've had by claiming such nonsense, and trying to make idiots out of the readers!
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I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE. This is public information, there is nothing new in what I am saying and you are simply looking at one side with absolute disregard for any element of balance or equanimity in the information provided. Minsk II it was a manoeuvre by Adolf Putin to pat the back of Macron and let him think he was on the path to the Nobel Peace Price. No wonder Adolf Putin considered that Europe would not do anything. RE credibility and taking people for fools, you need now to answer a few questions: 1) Did Adolf Putin's RF respect THEIR side of the agreement? 2) The RF is justified on an attempt to a full invasion of Ukraine because the treaty was, in your view, not respected by Ukraine? Is that your idea of proportionality? 3) If so, would not now an full scale invasion of the RF be justified by Adolf Putin's actions? You should not try to play this cheap and accuse when anyone can learn about the fact even with a minimum search. No wonder you are defending this war of aggression and the mass killings. Following reports of Ukrainian positions being shelled from the Russian side of the border, between 22 and 25 August 2014, Russian artillery, personnel, and what Russia called a "humanitarian convoy" crossed the border. Russian crossings reportedly occurred both in areas that were controlled by pro-Russian forces and those that were not, such as the south-eastern part of Donetsk Oblast, near Novoazovsk.[42][43] The Head of the Security Service of Ukraine, Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, called the events of 22 August a "direct invasion by Russia of Ukraine" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas#cite_note-53The Minsk II deal set out military and political steps that remain unimplemented. A major blockage has been Russia’s insistence that it is not a party to the conflict and therefore is not bound by its terms. In general, Moscow and Kyiv interpret the pact very differently, leading to what has been dubbed by some observers as the “Minsk conundrum”. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/9/what-is-the-minsk-agreement-and-why-is-it-relevant-nowThe agreement contains a timeline for implementation but no binding mechanism, though certain elements—for example, promises to respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine, efforts by France and Germany to help restore financial links with the separatist territories, and promises to continue trilateral dialogue between the EU, Ukraine, and Russia as well as the Normandy-format discussions—are quite important from a technical perspective. https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/59059 |
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... Ugh so now plan put forth by France and Germany in response to offensive by the separatists, dubbed as "last chance" by French president, was coercive and wasn't "lawful"? If Poroshenko who started implementing all of that anti-Russian language laws was Putin's puppet Poroshenko who won with 54,7% (with next in line Tymoshenko receiving 12,8%) wasn't "legitimate government" can you explain who in 2015 should've signed such agreement? ... Nobody should. It is giving away territory and concessions just to appease Adolf Putin. Big mistake. If they don't belong to the state, why is the state the one complaining? Shouldn't it be some company stating that it lost so many tons of grain?
I didn't think this could get any more absurd, but thank you for proving me wrong. Yeah, why aren't farmers complaining, in a territory occupied by a totalitarian regime known to disappear people, when said regime is taking their property. Why didn't the people in Bucha complain on Russian state TV about getting killed? But yes, "some company" did complain: Ukraine's largest steelmaker Metinvest on Friday said it was concerned that Russia may use several ships stranded in Mariupol to "steal and smuggle metallurgical products" belonging to the group. It accused Russia of piracy.
Asked on Saturday whether the metal due to be shipped out belonged to Metinvest, a company spokesman said: "We said yesterday that our metal is in the port of Mariupol, yes."
Please move the goalposts by no less than 20 meters next time. I haven't looked into this situation in detail, but this may be Russia's symmetrical response to the recent seizure of its assets in Ukraine worth more than a billion dollars. Stop whining, it works both ways. I don't know how much of an idiot you have to be to take money from the Russians and think you can get away with it. "Russian has always come for their money". (c) Otto von Bismarck Seize assets (AKA plunder and steal), it seems to me that Ukraine will be rebuilt with the sales of some yatchs, plenty of London ("Londongrad" / "Moscow upon thames") houses and flats in prime districts, gold reserves in custody. There is no way Adolf Putin can try to be "symmetrical" in the sanctions because it is simply beyond his power to do so. In the end, Russia still holds some Soviet era military gadgets, but economically is just another (poorly led) country sending their young to die for no purpose. "Never bet against America" - Warren Buffet |
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The HIMARS are on the way. Don't worry, brothers. The first four are already in Europe, and they are meant for training purposes. Later, when our soldiers will learn to operate HIMARS, we'll be receiving dozens of them until the invaders will run off of our land. There's no two ways about it. It's important for the whole world to see that an attempt to change the government of another sovereign country by force fails.
It worked in 2014  Yet it solved nothing. What Betwrong says is absolutely right, Adolf Putin must fail because there is no limit to his ambition, including the welfare and even the lives of his "serfs" in the army nor the living of those now unemployed due to foreign investment running away. This is the moment to stop the Tzar and do so in a way that is for all to be seen. The Minsk in 2015 agreement was signed by Poroshenko, pretty much a puppet inspired by Adolf Putin. You cannot pretend to implement such a coercive agreement and pretend is "lawful". An agreement has to come from a legitimate government and be signed on mutually beneficial terms - before you say anything "... or else I will invade your country" is not classed as a beneficial term.[/list] |
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Meanwhile: https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-raises-military-age/31867388.htmlMOSCOW -- Russian parliament's lower chamber, the State Duma, has approved a bill that would raise the upper age limit for military personnel serving in the Russian Army on a contractual basis.
According to the bill, which had all three readings approved on May 25, men up to age 65 will now be eligible to serve in the army. The new limit also applies to foreign nationals wishing to serve in the army as well. Any volunteer? Branko, you can go there an participate of the glory! Come on!  Any volunteer to get inside one of these? I did my turn when we fought Serbian fascists...if someone should practice what he preaches, its you...after all, what you're afraid of, Ukraine is, by your words, winning everywhere, and easily Branko, at this point you should have figured out that I am against the war. You seem to be justifying it and interested in continuing it. BTW, you should start thinking who are the fascists on this case. You may be missing your real enemy. According to so far unconfirmed reports, Kamyshevakha has been taken. For Russia, the operational space is open for the assault on Lisichansk from the south. It seems that the position of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbas is becoming critical.
What I am seeing in Popasna area is precisely the opposite. However, Kamy does not confer any particular advantage. Free to believe whatever you want though, I have to congratulate you for managing your expectations so greatly from "Kyiv will fall in a week" to "hey, hurray! We took this village... no not that one, the other one with two streets and twenty houses, see there in that corner" I don’t understand what surprised you so much in this law that you have already mentioned it several times? This is the case when the legislative initiative adequately responded to the changed requirements of real life. The 40-year limit was too strict and was actually abolished, increased to the retirement age limit. The modern army is not only and not so much drill on the parade ground and forced marches in full uniform over rough terrain, but also the management of complex equipment, which requires a fairly long time to learn. Look at the attempts by Western instructors to hastily train Ukrainian soldiers in the handling of Western military equipment. After a few weeks or even a couple of months of intensive express training, the success of the Ukrainians in shooting from American howitzers is more than modest (let's face it - they have not learned how to shoot accurately from them). Russian military equipment is usually easier to manage than Western ones, but nonetheless. If a person knows how to control a missile system well, he can successfully do it at the age of 50, and even at 60. So, are you volunteering then? You seem to be able to slam a keyboard, you must be able to use a T-62. I am not surprised by the law, it simply makes the situation clear for everyone to see: Less and less people in the RF are willing to die for Adolf Putin. I cannot blame them. RE training of Ukrainians soldiers and their accuracy... well, just do not try to cross a river again near them:  |
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Meanwhile: https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-raises-military-age/31867388.htmlMOSCOW -- Russian parliament's lower chamber, the State Duma, has approved a bill that would raise the upper age limit for military personnel serving in the Russian Army on a contractual basis.
According to the bill, which had all three readings approved on May 25, men up to age 65 will now be eligible to serve in the army. The new limit also applies to foreign nationals wishing to serve in the army as well. Any volunteer? Branko, you can go there an participate of the glory! Come on! Any volunteer to get inside one of these? |
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Once Belarus embarks on a democratic transition, the EU will activate the €3 billion package, a mix of grants and loans leveraging public and private investments, to help Belarus to stabilise its economy, reform its institutions to make them more democratic and help increase the economy's resilience, growth potential and job creation. EU buys influence in many countries, and it's one of the things I don't like about EU. Lukashenko has shown that, ~, the EU may be the future. How did he show that? From what I've seen, he wants the opposite. Do you think the support to the Russian cause will cause these aids to cease? Is the relationship broken forever? No. EU continuously wants to expand (which is another thing I don't like about EU). There is no "forever". If Russia would play their cards right, I have no doubt EU would send them money too. A new "EU friendly" president in either of those countries would change everything again. I considered myself Belarus a puppet regime, cosy with Adolf Putin and all that. It turns out that is not that much. The opposition in Belarus is much stronger than in the RF and Putin has put Lukash in a very difficult positions. Sanctions have killed the dream of having a tech-hub in the country, the army has opposed strongly any order to help Putin in Ukraine and, on top of that, the opposition has actually sent soldiers to Ukraine... to fight on the Ukrainian side. Lukash has been accepting cooperation with EU, perhaps I overreached when saying he would accept democratic reforms. |
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Signature campaign
Indeed a very good way of advertising any casino but sometimes I feel new casinos struggle to maintain the same pay rate as compared to established ones and if they pay less, it's not that effective. Promotions and giveaways
One of the best possible options of promoting a casino is because it attracts a lot of new players, although there are giveaway abusers always ready to kill most giveaways. But, those can be avoided through wager requirements and maybe KYC if not wager. I personally feel the best way to promote any casino is to let it run for months smoothly without harassing members for withdrawals and slowly start doing some promotions on Twitter and other social media. It takes time to built trust, you cannot just buy trust with any kind of promotions or bonuses. Each casino has also to find its own way, because not all customer types will behave in the same manner. If you are going for the masses, you would need to provide a decent service at an affordable price, but if you are whale hunting the focus should be in help, service, usability,... the moment a whale perceives that there is commercial pressure or any sign of untrustworthiness the site is done. |
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