Did you have any buy/sell orders on agora marketplace? Yes, I had. But where can I see what was baught or sold? And there was no command sellckg or buyckg written by me!!! Those are gold coins in the graphic--anything starting in "cr" is a gold coin afaik. So did you have bids up for coin "cr1602e"? What the image you posted is showing is that you bought 4 cr1602e from the coinshop at a 10mil total and 10 cr1602e from the coinshop at a 25mil total. |
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Did you have any buy/sell orders on agora marketplace? |
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I think now that Monero has flopped they could consider relaunching the network with an ICO
I mean like LISK and etc is doing, just use an existing project (in Monero's case Monero, in Lisk's case Crypti), and relaunch it with an ICO to work on the unfinished product.
That means Monero devs can attract a lot of funds and then finally finish the GUI etc
what say you, folks?
It should be voted by stakes holders so they can make the ICO a successful one,people are quick to think that the dev just want more money from the community so they need to set up a poll to see if the community will agree on this one.. They don't need an ICO, perhaps they just need one or two capable developers. With an ICO they can get not only two but four or five developer and a very active gui and more funds for marketing this coin so it's best in my opinion to proceed with the ICO but with community voting.. can currently be considered a failed project as development has halted. They lack capable developers and funds to attract capable developers to help develop the coin. Should the Monero team run an ICO? ie. ICO & exchange of current XMR (Proof of Ownership) to the new chain? If a failed coin is desperate enough to run an ICO as a last throw the dice to stay relevant then i guess all the power to them. An ICO might even raise enough funding to attract capable and experienced developers to deliver innovation and get out of just bug fixing and rewording code comments. Complexity is the enemy of security and it almost always comes in the guise of features or innovations. At the end of the day, fixing bugs and testing threat models isn't sexy or glamorous, and it surely won't fool some noobs into thinking you've found the cure for cancer, but it's the only way to create a cryptographic system that performs as advertised--and does so long into the future. Dash won the BS war, ceti, enjoy and savor it--but know, when it becomes a software war, all those complex features you built, at the cost of simplicity, are going to break down mid-combat and send your troops scurrying for cover. |
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I definitely will not participate in ICO, if they run it .
Not the way they have chosen.
There is far more effective methods , such as a direct reward developers.
Almost no one in the community would accept an ICO either, and certainly not the developers, so it's a pointless exercise. |
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botnetcoin
hi bathrobehero! could you explain this? Hi, Monero is almost exclusively mined by botnets which alone gives it a terrible name and for good reason as well. How do you know this? What does almost exclusively mean? I know at least a dozen or so folks mining with GPUs. Why would GPU miner development continue (Claymore miner, Wolf miner, ccminer) if it was dominated by botnets? Simple, take a look at what's profitable with GPUs and what's profitable on CPUs (for which you don't even have to pay any electricity!). GPU miners mining Monero are either just way too dedicated and/or dumb because they could mine pretty much anything else, sell that, buy more Monero and end up with way more Monero or people with some highly optimized super efficient miners which is possible but unlikely. Why do I get the feeling smooth has corrected you on this and you forgot?  What I don't get is how you expect an asic resistant cc (which wants to remain POW and decentralized) to stop this--care to elaborate? Quote that if you like but I don't remember it. Anyway, you act like ASIC friendly algos are worse than a handful of individuals who happen to have infected hundreds or even thousands of random PCs and taking profits while having zero cost themselves. I get that it actually helps securing the network more than anything but ASICs at least are legal and harmless. Legal, yes. Harmless, no. We can agree to disagree here, but I'll take the security of the network over the misuse of botnet miners any day. |
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botnetcoin
hi bathrobehero! could you explain this? Hi, Monero is almost exclusively mined by botnets which alone gives it a terrible name and for good reason as well. How do you know this? What does almost exclusively mean? I know at least a dozen or so folks mining with GPUs. Why would GPU miner development continue (Claymore miner, Wolf miner, ccminer) if it was dominated by botnets? Simple, take a look at what's profitable with GPUs and what's profitable on CPUs (for which you don't even have to pay any electricity!). GPU miners mining Monero are either just way too dedicated and/or dumb because they could mine pretty much anything else, sell that, buy more Monero and end up with way more Monero or people with some highly optimized super efficient miners which is possible but unlikely. Why do I get the feeling smooth has corrected you on this and you forgot? What I don't get is how you expect an asic resistant cc (which wants to remain POW and decentralized) to stop this--care to elaborate? |
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TL;DR: He seems like the embodiment of the /r/Bitcoin and /r/Anarcho_Capitalism userbases - in a bad way.
I hope that's enough to show he is a blight on the cryptocurrency community.
You're the Eminem of BCT, "That's not how you call me out. Step aside and let me show you how it's done." |
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Looks like someone who has been caught cripple mining monero just got caught pre-mining again Premine? No. Steem was not in any way a premine. Fastmine sure. (Only qualifier there is that it has unlimited supply and mining so eventually even the initial fastmine will be diluted, but it will take a long time.) oh, so you were involved in an instamine with the steem devs then...ok It was not an instamine. Unlike well known instamines such as Dash, coins were not mined instantly or at an accelerated rate due to any kind of flaws in the code. They were mined at a almost exactly a constant (but fast) rate, as designed and stated in the white paper. That's a fastmine, not an instamine. Also, I'm not "involved" in any meaningful sense, I just mined it. If anything my presence as an independent outsider demonstrates that it wasn't entirely rigged. oh ok smooth, sure whatever you say................................................ I'm glad we've come to an agreement. Do be sure to let me know when you want the steem account I reserved for you. oh i know about the monero cabal running a DASH land grab on steem, we have been watching you giggle like little kids in IRC bragging what you are going to do with some of the names you are squatting  good luck...some of the stunts you are planning with the names are pretty low and not exactly legal i would suggest. You're lying because for one thing the names are only held by me (no cabal, no IRC anything) and for another they are all open to be given to the original user of the name at no cost, including you. So stop making shit up. come on now son, right back at you Can you link all your IRC evidence? Or doesn't IRC have a #TCPOHA channel? |
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The market disagrees.
Even Litecoin has a market cap of $ 182,089,281. The market is the market. The software is the software. The bytecoin devs ruined their own product with an instamine that destroys untracability, so maybe you should rethink your opinion. As you said, "No --- and I personally don't quite care about anon coins in general." --it shows. |
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He'll be back. He cant stay away the sad old twat
He's currently logged in with the sockpuppet1 account and reading here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=837451I personally hope he won't go. I really like his posts, basically everything about it. It's definitely hot material to read. He's a refreshing oasis in a sea of stupidity! Not really he just gets paid to bash everyhing that isnt monero. Pretty pathetic really. TPTB_need_war pointed out a series of Monero's issues many times or do I hallucinate? Please don't forget that he was allegedly bribed by smooth with 2.5 BTC earlier. That is pretty sad. No, during the BCX incident, Anonymint/TPTB_need_war thought he found BCX's planned exploit and was supposed to get a bounty for that--that that turned out be something else, so smooth paid it out of his own pocket because he though it was the right thing to do. If we can create spellcheck, can we create readcheck? Doesn't come unexpected to be honest but still quite a SHOCKER I like smooth. He has been very fair with me and helped me also. He even paid/donated a few BTC one time to me.
´smooth´ is the anonymous front face and imperialist of the controversial Monero Club. ´AnonyMint/TPTB_need_war´ is an independent Cryptopioneer who is on the forefront of crypto auditing. Evidently, smooth has deliberately bribed AnonyMint/TPTB_need_war in order to silence him on Monero's severe flaws.LOL no. We offered him a bounty for identifying weaknesses in Monero in 2014*, which I paid him and he has written about on the forum many times since. Nothing has been kept secret. Nice FUD though. * This was in connection with the alleged coin-stealing vulnerability in the crypto BCX claimed to have, and which TPTB claimed to have found, but which turned out to be nonexistant FUD. What TPTB found had nothing to do with BCX but was still a valid contribution so I paid him anyway.
And smooth out of the kindness of his own heart, paid me afair 2.5 BTC.
The BCX incident is difficult to explain. I thought I was helping and as smooth says I did find one insight, but in another way I unwittingly perhaps helped BCX short Monero or whatever he did. I am not really even clear what happened.
Any way smooth never bribed me. Smooth knows he doesn't own me. Lol. I flip him middle finger in PMs sometimes (rarely and almost always about the community he is managing). Seriously though, smooth is an ethical person.
Your issue with smooth is not his ethics. The issue is smooth believes in community very much. I just want to point out to smooth that a community of Linux developers is not the same animal as a community of gamblers who are not communing about coding. Smooth and I would be happy campers in a forum of like-minded programmers talking tech shop. My guess is Smooth seems to believe in enforcing ethics and creating a community for Monero. I think this is where the boundaries get blurred. It is not that smooth is incorrect in his logic. But there are different perspectives and feelings in play. And different vested interests and all valid from their own right. I think perhaps we just need to admit the altcoin arena is a Wild West that doesnt want a Sheriff. Any way, he is free to do it his way. Smooth has very little influence over me. He has influence over me in terms of explaining realities in the altcoin scene that I wasn't focused on. But I also work through the logic on my own and eventually perhaps come to a different perspective over time. |
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Tptb was paid to make this thread by smooth and the monero marketing gang.
2.5 btc i heard.
Some seriously sleazy acts are perpetrated round here
What an awful post. You should be ashamed
Doesn't come unexpected to be honest but still quite a SHOCKER I like smooth. He has been very fair with me and helped me also. He even paid/donated a few BTC one time to me.
´smooth´ is the anonymous front face and imperialist of the controversial Monero Club. ´AnonyMint/TPTB_need_war´ is an independent Cryptopioneer who is on the forefront of crypto auditing. Evidently, smooth has deliberately bribed AnonyMint/TPTB_need_war in order to silence him on Monero's severe flaws.LOL no. We offered him a bounty for identifying weaknesses in Monero in 2014*, which I paid him and he has written about on the forum many times since. Nothing has been kept secret. Nice FUD though. * This was in connection with the alleged coin-stealing vulnerability in the crypto BCX claimed to have, and which TPTB claimed to have found, but which turned out to be nonexistant FUD. What TPTB found had nothing to do with BCX but was still a valid contribution so I paid him anyway.
And smooth out of the kindness of his own heart, paid me afair 2.5 BTC.
The BCX incident is difficult to explain. I thought I was helping and as smooth says I did find one insight, but in another way I unwittingly perhaps helped BCX short Monero or whatever he did. I am not really even clear what happened.
Any way smooth never bribed me. Smooth knows he doesn't own me. Lol. I flip him middle finger in PMs sometimes (rarely and almost always about the community he is managing). Seriously though, smooth is an ethical person.Your issue with smooth is not his ethics. The issue is smooth believes in community very much. I just want to point out to smooth that a community of Linux developers is not the same animal as a community of gamblers who are not communing about coding. Smooth and I would be happy campers in a forum of like-minded programmers talking tech shop. My guess is Smooth seems to believe in enforcing ethics and creating a community for Monero. I think this is where the boundaries get blurred. It is not that smooth is incorrect in his logic. But there are different perspectives and feelings in play. And different vested interests and all valid from their own right. I think perhaps we just need to admit the altcoin arena is a Wild West that doesnt want a Sheriff. Any way, he is free to do it his way. Smooth has very little influence over me. He has influence over me in terms of explaining realities in the altcoin scene that I wasn't focused on. But I also work through the logic on my own and eventually perhaps come to a different perspective over time. |
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More sleazy shenanigans on this forum than anywhere else.
Slipping tptb a backhander to go easy on their shitcoin monero.
I wouldnt shill monero for a million bitcoins the fat greasy slimeballs
Benthach Stoat the shit head cretin back again with more spurious and demented accusations.
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NPCC #4 is starting up!It will officially start tomorrow Wednesday, and NPCCs will be provided with all the goods from Mon-Wed and backdating all the way back to Monday will be allowed.We're still looking for fresh players, I will myself try to not participate. We so far have 3 confirmed out of 7 so it's now a great chance for new faces to pitch in and prove themselves! The luxury drink system has been completely revamped by HM, and additionally the competition will last for an undetermined length of time (HM might announce more precise timing for this if it becomes an issue for anybody). For anybody curious, check out the /NPCC4 tab in the game sheet for the new luxury drink system. Join us! Resistance is futile  Count Sir Crichton in--definitely would like to be part of the last challenge.  |
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What I think funny is that the same day TPTB_need_war (as sockpuppet1) calls Monerian's communists a real sock puppet calls smooth an imperialist who bribed TPTB_need_war to say nice things about Monero. Too weird. The key breakthrough is to remove the simultaneity requirement (lol, I am the one who fixes Gregory Maxwell's broken CoinJoin in 10 minutes of my spare time while my head is deep in designing a programming language)
And, sadly, the margin of this forum is too small to include the proof. Should you one day find a margin large enough to contain substantial reviewable work in your lengthy tribulations through the Internet, give us a shout. Enjoy your snobbery (just like your xerox copies Shen-noether and Gmaxwell). It won't help you. You only make me hate Monero more when you do that. I am moving too fast to worry about your need for a proof. You think I care what you think. Why would I? Are you offering me anything. Can you help me create a programming language. Can you help me code a crypto-currency. Will you pay me anything for providing a proof. No. Monero = Communism |
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It wasnt the what that bugged me, It was the how.
having a conversation on forums about the ethics of crypto, or its possibilites is much different than being bullied by a group of XMR supporters who quickly take any conversation in the direction of screaming REKT!!! or SCAM!!
looks like you have built enough enemies now that you will feel the backlash of all the mistrust and anger that your tactics have created.
Not really. I don't think XMR or Vcash's price has moved all that much and neither for a gain. The threat of market backlash has been used on Monero before, but in the long run, it neither discourages price are you really totally absolutely sure about that ?   I don't stare at charts all day, but the few times I've looked it has been between -3 to +3% for the day for vcash and 0 to -3% for Monero--hardly an earth shattering (or even relevant) market move. |
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It wasnt the what that bugged me, It was the how.
having a conversation on forums about the ethics of crypto, or its possibilites is much different than being bullied by a group of XMR supporters who quickly take any conversation in the direction of screaming REKT!!! or SCAM!!
looks like you have built enough enemies now that you will feel the backlash of all the mistrust and anger that your tactics have created.
Not really. I don't think XMR or Vcash's price has moved all that much and neither for a gain. The threat of market backlash has been used on Monero before, but in the long run, it neither discourages price or people to say what they mean and mean what they say. A gentleman's agreement between cryptocurrencies (especially the worst ones) doesn't exist--it's a prisoner's dilemma and every coin should be pointing out technical flaws--hype and FUD are just delaying the inevitable. Monero and Bitcoin communities criticize each other on technical merits, and for the most part, it never gets out of hand or personal--I think the scammier coins (at least subconsciously) know their shortcomings and get emotional when they're pointed out for everyone to see. |
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I can say that my co-developer refused to allow the masternodes have the ability to unmask the anonymity. I was arguing for a simpler design but his standards of ethics on the technology are even higher than mine. Then apparently we were able to devise a solution so the masternode could not unmask.
Evan DuffieldNow I'm curious as to how, and to whom, this goes.... |
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I have only been a Vcash supporter for 8 months or so. but I can tell you why I am not going after DASH.
It is because there is enough space for all crypto projects to grow and thrive, I have held a good sum of both Dash and Monero in the past.
now as to why I repeat FUD and technical problems of Monero, it is because your communities marketing tactics have always been to shout the loudest about how every other project has broken or useless tech and how yours is flawless and the best, while clearly having problems of its own.
as Ceti said "All I have done is held up a mirror to your own behavior.
Do you not recognize the person in the reflection?".
My point is that you are going after FOSS projects with legitimate development (BTC a few months back and XMR now), so I'm questioning the strategy and what it hopes to achieve. Are you just mad that someone dares question Connor's use of Bitcoin code without attributing to Satoshi? |
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What is Monero's Problem? Some of the monero most prominent members act like bullies in the Bitcointalk forums. And that's a shame. No, criticizing bad tech is criticizing bad tech and coins built on (you guessed it) bad tech don't like when you point out their bad tech--though I think vcashers are mad because they borrowed code from Satoshi and forgot to thank him/her/them. You'd think they would be going after dash's market cap as they are in the same quick transaction market, but they also went after Bitcoin, so maybe they have a thing about attacking coins that are doing it the right way, which doesn't make sense, since strategically it would make more sense to go after the coin with similar investor profile or after a less technically proficient user base that can be more easily swayed by FUD--but whatever.... I'm sure they think they know what they're doing speaking of bullies, criminals and stalkers....... Ceti, are you implying that I've done any of those things to you? Or is this just another weak attempt to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks? Do you really think so little of the community that you think they can be swayed with unsubstantiated rhetoric--I know this is all you need in dashland, but here you're gonna have to do better. All I have done is held up a mirror to your own behavior. Do you not recognize the person in the reflection? I get it, you're talking to yourself. |
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So now I am shopping around for someone who can take my technical idea and make it a Monero-killer asap. So I can teach your community a lesson that they deserve.
I don't think any coin has a distinct 'community' as such, and there aren't tribes ready to go to war with each other. I like monero, and about 20 other decent alts, and btc off course too, so I'm in all of those 'communities, and when you launch your own JAMBOX I'll probably support that, so I'll be part of your community too. Don't get me wrong, some or even several of those in the Monero community I consider to be my friends. For example, generalizethis and I have gotten along very well lately, but that perhaps has only been since I was writing in support of Monero and against shitcoins lately. I will continue to be supportive in your efforts wherever they lead--though why they're leading to a coin built like an oligarchy is beyond me. There's no way I can support dash's centralized design, but if you fix their privacy issues, good--at least people buying the coin for privacy won't be getting ripped off in that department. Whatever happened between you and Shen is between the two of you, but I respect both of you and hope it isn't a permanent rift as talent is tough to find in this community and both of you have that in spades. |
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