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2081  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically .. on: May 29, 2022, 06:10:44 PM
None of what you say disproves anything of what I say. If a Russian decides to sign for service, he must be aware that this is an ugly war, with many resemblances to the trench war of WWI and also know that the moment the US decides that it has been enough there will be nothing between him and a guided bomb. Do you have any doubt that US can stop this war whenever they wish?
I doubt Biden is able to find his own dick in his pants to piss.

Biden is not governing the US silly boy.
2082  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically .. on: May 29, 2022, 06:06:14 PM
Where did I say Russians or the people of Russia? This is Adolf Putin and the bunch of Psychos that conform his government and the army, not the Russians as such. You are perfectly aware that what I say is true. Moscow never wanted any development in the eastern regions. They get plenty of cheap labour and army cannon fodder and giving these people an opportunity would shift the power balance from Moscow. What did you think? That the rest of the world does not know about how Adolf Putin manages Russia?

Not only I am not Russophobe, but I seem to be the only one here who is trying to let young people in Russia what happens when they sign or are forced to sign into Adolf Piutin's army - They are sent to be grinded and burned. If any of their friends and relatives read this, at least they cannot say they did not know.
Your repeated repetition of the same thought becomes tiresome. It seems this is from the Goebbels manual, that if you lie a hundred times, then the lie becomes the truth?

There is no mobilization in Russia, professional soldiers are involved in the operation. There have already been four waves of mobilization in Ukraine, and now the fifth one is underway. Ukrainian men aged 18 to 60 have a difficult choice - to die, go to jail or be captured by Russians. Russian men have a simpler choice, you can continue to live as you lived before.

I am so sorry that I am not amusing you - really my goal in life is to entertain people like you and make them have a great time and feel good about themselves. Oh... no no ... that is Russian TV not me, my mistake. I got confused when you asked when a lie becomes truth, that is much more your style.

None of what you say disproves anything of what I say. If a Russian decides to sign for service, he must be aware that this is an ugly war, with many resemblances to the trench war of WWI and also know that the moment the US decides that it has been enough there will be nothing between him and a guided bomb. Do you have any doubt that US can stop this war whenever they wish?
2083  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically .. on: May 29, 2022, 08:53:31 AM
PS. By the way, a question! It turns out in Russia the genocide of all peoples, except for the "Russians" so to speak? The state language in Russia is Russian? Where is Tatar, where is Hebrew, where is Ukrainian and Udmurt? Pure water genocide is obtained!
Perhaps you will be very surprised, but in Russia 37 languages have the status of a state language.


You can give them whatever status, Adolf Putin is a Russian ethnic supremacist that despises all the minorities, which are for the main part excluded from the government ranks and decisions. Not only that, the lowest ranks of troops and the ones that are sent to die in suicide missions are mostly from the eastern regions. The people from Moscow and St Petersburg are underrepresented in the lower ranks and certainly underrepresented in the death toll.

Also, the conscription service in Russia excludes precisely the people who have best contacts and more money by simply not recruiting people who can afford to go to University. Those who have the right contacts can join the officer's schools and -believe it or not - are excluded from going directly to conflicts as they are "training".

This is how madness inside the madness works in Putin's Reich Tzardom.
Already it seems you don’t know what to come up with in your attacks of chronic Russophobia. For some reason, tattoos with a swastika are on the Ukrainian Nazis, and the main villain here is still Putin.

Where did I say Russians or the people of Russia? This is Adolf Putin and the bunch of Psychos that conform his government and the army, not the Russians as such. You are perfectly aware that what I say is true. Moscow never wanted any development in the eastern regions. They get plenty of cheap labour and army cannon fodder and giving these people an opportunity would shift the power balance from Moscow. What did you think? That the rest of the world does not know about how Adolf Putin manages Russia?

Not only I am not Russophobe, but I seem to be the only one here who is trying to let young people in Russia what happens when they sign or are forced to sign into Adolf Piutin's army - They are sent to be grinded and burned. If any of their friends and relatives read this, at least they cannot say they did not know.
2084  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: May 29, 2022, 08:38:21 AM
Red Estuary is taken.

It looks like the eastern front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass has crumbled.

You mean crumbled as in "the Ukrainians are still fighting but do not have enough sausages supplies?". Stop faking news while you fellow Russian die by the hundreds for a ridiculous snail-like advance. Adolf Putin is sending all the cannon fodder he has and still managing to get most of it meat-grinded.

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/26-may-russian-troops-conducting-offensive-towards-komyshuvakha
I recommend focusing less on the reports of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in order to avoid painful disappointments.

By the way, quite recently you, choking with joy, talked about the American M777 howitzers, and so - they could not withstand the collision with reality and were not combat-ready. The Ukrainians never really managed to shoot accurately from them.  Grin

I strongly advise you to look a bit more into the OSINT sources and less into the Flat-brain messages of Adolf's Putin controlled propaganda machine. Not only to avoid "disappointment", but to have a grasp of how your country is going to look like in two years time and to avoid you friends and relatives being conscripted and sent to heroically stop  artillery shells with their teeth for 100 USD a day.

Russia is not a winner of this war, no matter the military outcome. Do not die for Putin.

In practical terms, the offensive in the east is not achieving as of now any noticeable result, however the massive concentration has left the south and the north-east exposed to counter attacks. I just wanted to let you know, so it does not catch you by surprise.

The US and UK are being reluctant to send MLRS with a range of 60 to 70 km to Ukraine, because they are afraid those could actually reach deep in Russian territory. But that can change from one day to another. I hope you sleep well and repeat 3 times before going to sleep "I am safe in Adolf Putin's Russia..."
2085  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: May 28, 2022, 07:19:46 PM
I'll just leave this here


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Termite munition. "precision weaponry" of Adolf's Putin army.
2086  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POV] War in Ukraine on: May 28, 2022, 06:33:57 PM

Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.

So don't expect much critical thinking from him.

Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.



Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.


MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian Forces



In a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.

"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.

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Cool

Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL.

Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda.


By pounding who with artillery? In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians.

And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead?

It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians.

Cool

Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing.

Do not worry to much about this particular guy. You cannot expect a lot from someone whose signature is a guy in sunglasses and simply states things and expect the world to believe without any argument of proof -no wonder he is a hard Trumpist - same style.
2087  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: May 28, 2022, 01:44:42 PM
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Ukraine Foreign Minister Admits He Has NOW Been Told to "Negotiate" with Russia

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They have never stopped negotiating. You can also see the guidelines for the negotiation here:

https://thehill.com/news/3502032-zelensky-rips-kissinger-over-suggestion-ukraine-cede-territory-to-russia/

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In a Wednesday address, Zelensky said Kissinger “emerges from the deep past and says that a piece of Ukraine should be given to Russia” and that Kissinger’s “calendar is not 2022, but 1938” — a reference to the Munich Agreement, which allowed for Nazi Germany to annex land in western Czechoslovakia.

“Behind all these geopolitical speculations of those who advise Ukraine to give away something to Russia, ‘great geopoliticians’ are always unwilling to see ordinary people,” Zelensky said. “Millions of those who actually live in the territory they propose to exchange for the illusion of peace. You must always see people.”

Negotiating with Russia does not bring peace, as simple as that. Adolf Putin only understands the language of threats and violence. He is no different from a patriarch of the rossíyskaya máfiya.
2088  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Putin can not stay on: May 28, 2022, 01:40:02 PM
US does not want Putin to go. You do not want chaos on a country the size of Russia with a bag full of nukes. If not he would be dead already.
2089  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Eight Years Ago: US-NATO Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine on: May 28, 2022, 01:35:30 PM
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Why do you think those Nazi's are protesting? Putin DID clean his house. That's why they are out in the streets. He kicked them out. Then they went over to the Ukraine side, and are plotting vengeance with the Ukrainian Nazi's.
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Including the ones with the Z's? Or is THAT type of Nazi allowed by Adolf Putin, the Russian supremacist. His "arians" are the Russ, other than that is Hitler with the crown of a Tzar.

All right! Admit it. You don't love your country, and you hate it when other people love theirs.

Btw, all the Z's mean is that they have been napping until now.

Cool

Did someone tell you that you are funny? They were not your friends.
2090  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Eight Years Ago: US-NATO Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine on: May 27, 2022, 04:22:12 PM
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Why do you think those Nazi's are protesting? Putin DID clean his house. That's why they are out in the streets. He kicked them out. Then they went over to the Ukraine side, and are plotting vengeance with the Ukrainian Nazi's.
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Including the ones with the Z's? Or is THAT type of Nazi allowed by Adolf Putin, the Russian supremacist. His "arians" are the Russ, other than that is Hitler with the crown of a Tzar.
2091  Economy / Economics / Re: Russian Gas ban - A problem for Europe or suicide for Russia? on: May 27, 2022, 11:59:29 AM
The show goes on. Mr. Orban, playing on the side of the Kremlin, held a demonstration performance on the topic "how to fuck yourself, while not getting any pleasure or profit" Smiley

The show goes on. Mr. Orban, playing on the side of the Kremlin, held a demonstration performance on the topic "how to fuck yourself, while not getting any pleasure or profit" Smiley

The Hungarian rashist Orban was deprived of funding by the EU. Now, for two years, it will take part of the profits of Hungarian companies in two special. fund.
I think he will have something to tell his population how he did the right thing by starting the game on the side of the Kremlin!
I don’t know if the EU will have problems, but the Kremlin bedding definitely already has them Smiley

That is correct. Orban has been deprived from funds from EU because the basic principles (rule of law, independent judiciary,...) are not respected in Hungary and those are foundation stones of the EU. The last thing he has done is change the Exception State from COVID to and Exception State due to Adolf Putin's war. This effectively allows him to rule as a dictator by decree.

My take on this: allow the rest of the EU to ban oil and gas progressively and leave Hungary to import if they wish - obviously without right to re-export and certainly zero funding support from EU. Eventually, Hungary may become the first country expelled from the EU.

On the topic, the EU can and will de-couple progressively from Russia. Survival is first, economy is second.
2092  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Will Russia Emerge As The Next Dominant Superpower on: May 27, 2022, 11:38:20 AM
During World War II the world's major powers were bombed back to the stone age. With the exception of two nations. Russia and the united states. This set the stage for america and russia to emerge as the world's dominant superpowers leading into the cold war, korean war and vietnam war which followed.

Both the USSR and USA enjoyed the luxury of surviving World War II with their territories and economies largely intact. Profiting handsomely by loaning capital to other nations to rebuild. While the rest of the world toiled under debt and reconstruction efforts.

Looking at the current era a similar trend could emerge. America, the european union and china all carry large ratios of debt to GDP close to 100%. Russia's debt to GDP ratio is by far the smallest of any major power at around 20%. If a major recession hit global markets a case could be made for russia's government and economy being best structured to weather it. Russia is one of the most self sufficient nations in terms of raw materials, food and energy production. Russia also has many other world powers reliant and dependent on them for natural gas and other resources.

Long story short russia has many advantages over the USA, EU and china if an economic crisis hits.

If global markets are devastated by a crisis, russia is (in my opinion) the number #1 prospect to emerge as the next dominant superpower.

To avoid this, I think the united states would do well to keep its economy strong. As a hedge against russian encroachment. There isn't much alternative deterrent.

While russia's invasion of ukraine has stalled. Russia isn't trying very hard. They don't have to. They simply have to wait for the next big economic crisis when free money and support thrown at ukraine can no longer be funded. Then resistance may well crumble.

The best deterrent against invasion and war may be a strong economy with enough liquidity to make invasion too high priced too consider. Our current era with high deficits and weak economies could be interpreted as an open invitation for ambitious regimes like russia to invade us.

On the plus side if russia is the next dominant superpower they may be bitcoin friendly. At least that would be one positive thing we might look forward to in the horror show that could be the future.

Quite a few of the facts are wrong and quite a few of the conclusions:

- UK was not bombed to the stone age in any manner. Only Germany, Japan, part of Russia... not even France as the defeat was quick and swift.
- US profited from lending, the USSR simply kept the territories occupied against their will.

Russia's GDP is negligible. Seriously, is even lower than Italy's. The strategy from Russia is to pump and hype: great army, great technology, great resources, nuclear power... yet when they are faced with an obstacle all that fades away:

- Technology is reliant on western supplies and intellectual property.
- The army is mostly from the 90's and unsuited for modern operations.
- Their new status as invaders and a threat to any border country will damage their exporting capability.
- Their status as sanctioned country will prevent investment in CAPEX, critical to maintain production in the mid term.
- Re "Russia not trying hard" is wrong. It is trying to the limit of the resources that can spare. Russia has managed to make enemies of everyone around (even China is more afraid than friendly) and have to keep their best shots for self defence and to keep their puppets status - thus they have sent to Ukraine everything else.
- Russia's GDP is set to severely shrink. What you call and advantage is actually despotism: keeping the population silent about the economic impact. Russia is looking half good due to sky-high prices of commodities, but that is cyclical not permanent.

I do agree that US has to make sure this war does not pay, but Russia is gone as a superpower and may even not preserve the regional power status for more than a couple of decades as they are unable to sustain the technologic advances.

Well, Russia is already leading the World militarily ...

Not in any manner. The facts on the ground show poor leadership, corruption and very limited applied technology. Russia is applying Sun Tzu's Art of War - "when you are weak, appear strong". All the hype about missiles, ridiculous vehicles like the "Terminator" and other smoke screens do not change the fact that they just cannot advance  without getting killed by the thousands or loosing their best ships the moment they get close to Ukrainian territory.

I have little to say about your interpretation of the will of your imaginary friends.
2093  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: May 27, 2022, 10:22:34 AM
Red Estuary is taken.

It looks like the eastern front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass has crumbled.

You mean crumbled as in "the Ukrainians are still fighting but do not have enough sausages supplies?". Stop faking news while you fellow Russian die by the hundreds for a ridiculous snail-like advance. Adolf Putin is sending all the cannon fodder he has and still managing to get most of it meat-grinded.

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/26-may-russian-troops-conducting-offensive-towards-komyshuvakha

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I'm worried about you Tash.

No need to unnecessary worry.
Account will be retired in June, travel dates/planes in place and as they say "moving on to bigger better things"

I do not advise you to go into anything bigger or better than what you are doing now. You are clearly at the limit of your abilities.
2094  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically .. on: May 27, 2022, 07:32:23 AM
PS. By the way, a question! It turns out in Russia the genocide of all peoples, except for the "Russians" so to speak? The state language in Russia is Russian? Where is Tatar, where is Hebrew, where is Ukrainian and Udmurt? Pure water genocide is obtained!
Perhaps you will be very surprised, but in Russia 37 languages have the status of a state language.


You can give them whatever status, Adolf Putin is a Russian ethnic supremacist that despises all the minorities, which are for the main part excluded from the government ranks and decisions. Not only that, the lowest ranks of troops and the ones that are sent to die in suicide missions are mostly from the eastern regions. The people from Moscow and St Petersburg are underrepresented in the lower ranks and certainly underrepresented in the death toll.

Also, the conscription service in Russia excludes precisely the people who have best contacts and more money by simply not recruiting people who can afford to go to University. Those who have the right contacts can join the officer's schools and -believe it or not - are excluded from going directly to conflicts as they are "training".

This is how madness inside the madness works in Putin's Reich Tzardom.
2095  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling Session That Lingers On Or Keep Staying On your Mind on: May 26, 2022, 11:13:27 PM
In my case it was long long time ago. I got together with a few friends in a house to watch a match Real Madrid - Barca or something like that. We decide to bet on the result and I got to choose a result, but I was not one of the first because of the draw and had to choose a very unlikely score, I seem to recall it was 3 -2 or the like. However, I actually got it right and won the price against all odds.
2096  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How can a new sportsbook gain trust? on: May 26, 2022, 11:05:46 PM
Trust is something that takes a long time to get in this world. It can take months to gain trust from players, but it can also be completely gone within days. On the forum it is useful for people to give their opinion about the reputation of a site, it is very useful. Being active on the forum and paying players is the best way to keep your reputation high.
A site that has a lot of promotions will make the community more engaged with the site, and with good support, that is a combination for a successful gambling site. Our community here loves a legit gambling site, and once a gambling site already gets the gambler's support, expect that money will be flowing, however, good communication has to be maintained and reputation can easily be ruined as well.

I'm seen some gambling sites here that started well but ended up getting bad reputation from the community, resulting the representative to leave the forum which they failed to realize it's a big market forum.
That is quite common, after all what differentiates those which achieve great performances and those that do not is their consistency, it is easy to give a good first impression to the community, but unless the casino is absolutely committed to give the best customer support they can to the community then eventually they are going to take actions against it and that is when they are going to face the trust and the flag system, and once they understand that their money and size does not matter at all and they have to be in the right to avoid the negative trust that is coming their way they will leave the forum to never return.

The community should be a great help and you would want to use methods that can take advantage of that. A bonus for making a honest comment of your experience in the site can help spread the word, as well as referral schemes and other methods to promote by "word of mouth", just adapted to the current technologies. I tend to trust what my friend recommend in that sense.
2097  Economy / Gambling / Re: Even if you are from the future, Lieutenant General probability will not change! on: May 26, 2022, 11:01:40 PM
I think that your theory would be worth discussing in either a maths forum or in a science-fiction one more likely. But, let's say that we accept the premise of knowing the future... then there is nothing preventing you from knowing all the details of future transaction and profiting from it, but, to be honest, if you already know the future there are much more interesting things to do than to figure out hashes.
2098  Economy / Gambling / Re: How do you advertise your casino? on: May 26, 2022, 10:58:08 PM
So many ways you can do that, you can start a signature campaign on this forum and try to make your presence known by doing some giveaways also to attract new players to your site.
One thing is common. The more you work hard - the more your business flourish.
I know a small business which is not a gambling business. But a small business out of reach of common people. But they are so good that they only want a few people to visit and they want to maintain their standards at any cost. And they are flourishing.

It depends on the target customers of the business itself.
Like for example, what you said, that business is targeting few people, but maybe they are quality customers.
And they are paying good price to be their valuable customers.
However, in gambling, as much as possible you would want to attract small or big rollers at the same time.
This will give you sustenance of the business, otherwise, you would find hard surviving.

I fully support what you say, some think that certain casinos are very good because most of their customers are whales or those who consider whales, in fact for me casinos live on any type of customers, whether they are whales or normal customers who usually spend little , medium or a lot of money in casinos, for me they should all have the same importance, hence where VIP clients are created. but given the tremendous competition that currently exists, it is necessary to rely on any type of marketing and whatever attracts attention, so everyone should treat each other with the same affection and respect so that they always frequent the site.


I think there is a point in orienting your marketing towards the large budget players. However you also need the right product as, in my experience, people who are wealthy and affluent in spending tend to be also quite demanding on the quality of service and the quality of the personal attention. So you would need specific marketing, which is hard enough, and also specialised attention.
2099  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically .. on: May 26, 2022, 10:51:02 PM
I apologize for interfering in your dialogue, I will clarify a little. I agree that WAR is a consequence of the failure of diplomatic efforts, negotiations. War ... This is when the army fights against the army, with the aim of either making some decisions, or changing power by force / military means, or resolving territorial disputes. But our situation is different. This is an attempt to DESTROY the country, people, culture. Massacres, and sadistic ones, are not war. This is fascism and terrorism. Deliberate destruction of civilian infrastructure is fascism and terrorism. The systematic, purposeful, total destruction of civilian cities is fascism and terrorism. The purposeful destruction of a nation, its culture, history, language is genocide, fascism and terrorism. According to your logic, it turns out that - the mass, purposeful, murder of Jews by Nazi Germany, is it just "not agreed"? No, this is called genocide and fascism! In our reality, genocide as a consequence of terrorism and rashism. Let's be honest about the situation!
I would rather agree to call Kyiv's policy towards the Russian-speaking population of Donbass a genocide than Russia's actions towards Ukraine. Calls to be honest should come from an honest person, and your brain is clouded by propaganda and it seems you perceive the projections of your internal complexes as reality. The easiest way is to shift from a sick head to a healthy one, but this will not cure a sick head. The operation in Ukraine will continue until Russia fully achieves its goals, be patient.

Those. , in your opinion, genocide is the definition of the state language? And the mass sadistic murders of the inhabitants of a certain country - is it so-so self-indulgence? Conscience does not torment? It seems that the conscience and ideas of the Russian world are different realities.

By the way - well, tell me, a citizen of Ukraine, Russian, Russian-speaking, and other forum participants, what kind of "genocide" was arranged here in Ukraine in relation to the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine? Smiley Only with facts! (this means you will have to do absolutely without propaganda blanks Smiley )

The result, or finale, of Russian aggression will be denazification, demilitarization, defascistization, deputinization, derashistization of Russia itself Smiley


PS. By the way, a question! It turns out in Russia the genocide of all peoples, except for the "Russians" so to speak? The state language in Russia is Russian? Where is Tatar, where is Hebrew, where is Ukrainian and Udmurt? Pure water genocide is obtained!

Adolf Putin is a Russian supremacist armed with nuclear weapons. His understanding of the international relations is no different of how a Gangster sees the streets of a city: there to be taken.

In this case, he has achieved a marginal territorial gain in exchange for:

- Rearming Europe.
- Potentially extending by several thousand miles the NATO border with Russia and his puppets.
- Getting sanctions like never seen before, more to come.
- Expelling himself for many of the international organisations and being non-grata in most of the civilised world.
- Destroying the commercial reputation of Russia by not honouring contracts and alienating customers.

The US cannot ever thank this despot enough.



2100  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: May 26, 2022, 10:28:59 PM
The intensity of the fight in Donetsk is at maximum. This is WW I in terms of the masses sent to assault strong positions. Even if Russia makes a tactical advance, the cost in lives will have long term consequences for Adolf Putin's army. The next week is very important in terms of territory, but even as of now it is clear that the price to pay to achieve any military advance in Ukraine is unsustainable for the Russian Pyschos.

Sievierdonetsk is going to be an ugly fight. In the case of Mariupol, the Ukrainian army could not help. On this case, depending on how things roll-out, the number of losses in both side may been higher that ever seen in many decades.

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