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2261  Bitcoin / Mining / ASIC engines, BGA reflow on: September 29, 2013, 01:49:03 AM

Some ASICs are hamstrung with non-working engines but hash away with a lower output.  I understand a little about the ASIC assembly, such as the chip gets soldered to conductors that pass to the balls of the ball grid array.  Reflow of BGA Nividia graphics chips on Presario motherboards is a classic case of saving a motherboard with a little skill, heating the solder under the BGA to reflow where opens may have occurred.

Has anyone tried increasing the number of functional engines of an ASIC which is in place, e.g. heating the ASIC to 400°+F for some minutes or putting a miner board in an oven to reflow the ASICs and if so has it improved the mining capability of the miner?

Thanks.
2262  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 28, 2013, 06:02:21 PM
I had been running 4 or 5 machines donating computer time to Folding@Home for years.  Using only CPUs it was a lot of energy.  This was for team Soyrunner.  I quit when another distributed computing effort at a California university that in conjunction with a southeastern university developed a deactivation for herpes virus(es).  Not just herpes but a whole slew of similar viruses, this with a small molecular dimer that would block the clamshell trigger.  It should cure and/or prevent a whole class of cancers and autoimmune diseases.  Then a cousin's grandson, a teen, died of gaseous gangrene most likely as a result of a herpes infection.  The dimer discovery was a couple of years old at the time, about the time the Germans developed a molecular attachment for insulin that would increase its size and prevent insulin from passing from the system as quickly so much less insulin would be needed and less often.  That balloon molecule would probably work for the small molecule dimer that blocks the herpes clamshell.  So I quit FAH.  Sure, maybe it wasn't their distributed computing that contributed to the finding of that small molecule dimer but heck, the small molecule dimer still today hasn't made the news as being medically available.  You'd think they'd have a crash program to get it out there and available since it cures and/or prevents many cancers and autoimmune diseases.  So, I have some years with distributed computing spending money I really could have used much more effectively.  

Right now, looking at my Bitcoin miner expenditures and what I've mined, the whole Bitcoin adventure might end up costing me a lot more than I spent on distributed computing for FAH.  I have hopes the Mercury will be profitable.
2263  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 27, 2013, 12:44:46 AM
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We cannot reveal All of our secrets , as our competitors will eventually catch up with us, but constant innovations keep us 3 steps ahead, and when our latest Bath Producers arrive at our facility, we will reveal specs on the Chicken to Egg Tray issue, everyone is clamoring about.
   I hope this serves to chill some nerves around here, I know people were getting antsy and even suspicious, but we can now confirm these are real pics of our Facility.
Yes, I see under the Big Dutchman, chicken feet.  Feed must be passing before the chickens just above where the eggs roll out.
2264  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 27, 2013, 12:18:52 AM
This is our Facility with WORKING Easter Egg Colored Batch Producers. Currently hatshing at 400 CEE/S



We Bring the Future To You

Okay, how are the eggs getting out from under the chickens to the tray?
2265  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 27, 2013, 12:16:51 AM
ok, might be as you stated out. so Day1 is then Friday and Day2 Monday, right?

Why do people wait until Sunday to buy their Sunday newspaper instead of picking it up when the printer closes at 5:30 or so friday evening?

Or don't you have Sunday papers where you come from?

Why wait for morning to get your morning paper, instead of picking it up from the printer at 5:30 the evening before when the printer closes?

Sheesh! Capital machinery is like bitcoin mining rigs, you pay 24/7 interest on the capital it took to get the damn things, you think everyone is going to run it 8 hours a day, 5 days a week?

Day 1 is presumably the first day the machines are pouring out rigs into courier trucks and day two the second day the machines are pouring out rigs into courier trucks.

Maybe day 1 starts at midnight tonight... But midnight by where's timezone? Maybe it is already midnight somewhere!

-MarkM-


Newspapers aren't assembled by hand. Rolls of paper go into the press and bundles of papers roll out into the loading bay. I served my apprenticeship in the newspaper press business. They are picked up and delivered late Saturday night in some cases too which is why they are on news progs on telly late Saturday night.. The machinery producing the boards will run 24/7 from the start of production until it's all done with no day1 or day 2 and no stopping except for breakdown and maintenance if needed ...that's just a line in the sand for us that doesn't matter at all at their end as long as the right numbers can be produced to ship what they promised on day1 and day2. If you got a day2 order on day1 which is likely for someone ..you'd care less wouldn't you?





You're leaving out that now the paper is written, is the word typeset still used?, say in NYC, then transmitted to satellites then towns across the county have a factory looking building with a sat downlink which shoots the image to whatever they use now-a-days.  In the '80's they moved away from cameras and to something called newsplaters.  Big scanner devices.  Early use of the revolving disk with mirrors like you see in checkout scanners.  The news was beamed to a revolving disk with flat mirrors, the disk of course was spinning very fast.  As each new mirror moved under the beam a new line feed happened.  This reflection onto an aluminum sheet having a special coating that was then the image of the newpage.  So, if you were comparing newspapers that had lead type mashing down onto paper, bundled and sent off to cities via aircraft, like the ASICs from China to Sweden, doesn't happen with newspapers that way any more.
2266  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 26, 2013, 08:40:21 PM
I've deleted my posts before. I've had more than 4x current.

Reason? Privacy. I just don't like people to read my history. it's the same on Reddit (deleted after 2 weeks).

No it doesnt make me a scammer Roll Eyes

I agree.  From USNWR:
Every time you go to post a status update, remember: WWMBT? (What Would My Boss Think?): http://ow.ly/pcFO7

Annoyed at a microwave that had stopped working properly I had posted that I got it working again by running the touchpad over the edge of something as one might do with a bill before putting the bill in a machine.  The microwave worked for a while.  Some years later I did a search to see what I'd find about myself online and there was that post relayed to a number of forums.  Still there somewhere today, couldn't get it to go away.
2267  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 26, 2013, 07:30:33 PM
Do you seriously think they would have "shipped" (or imported, really) their n°1 salesman for a no-show?

They purposefully withold information, make it slightly vague (or slightly misrepresent it) etc. to create D.R.A.M.A. = free marketing. (that or they're just lame)

To be a salesperson I would have to have to have told or coerced someone to buy something.

I never have.

I have only ever reasoned arguments with valid research and told people to follow through with their own to confirm for themselves. There is nothing underhand there, and there never has been.

Encouraging people to be responsible, perform due diligence, and stay safe with pre-order sales online is common sense.

And for the record yet again, i'm buying my own ticket, as I said I would come for a pick-up in the first place, although this time I'm going to ask them to cover it if they will, especially if I need to stay overnight in a hotel. Stockholm's not cheap and I never agreed to do that.

If there's something worth videoing i'll do my best to insist they allow that, as nothing puts minds at rest more. Whatever happens warts and all, i'll be honest with my account, but this time round there should be a lot more to actually show in moving images than written word.

Peace.

Damn, I thought you might be on a plane to Abbaland now. Have they asked you to go by any specific time yet? I ask because apparently China's having a launch party with a working rig on the 29th in Shanghai...and China is half a day ahead of us giving them a day and a half to get it there? Surely they aren't releasing them there 1st?

I appreciate your reports and time spent passing on information to us too, it was extra info that was useful to a lot of us.
Good luck with the tottie. Smiley

No mate, cannot drop everything on request, for starters I had a dentist appointment, which in all honesty I would rather not have had. I'm typing with half my face tingling as the numbness fades and I can feel the sites of four injections. In any case i'm aiming for Sat, with no return booked just yet. My gut says Mon, as I cannot see anyone (courier) delivering over the weekend unless they already have devices to hand, which is why I was asking for day one pick-up guys that are in easy reach of Stockholm to get in touch with Sam. If that bitbet is going to be won it'd be a crying shame for the kit to be available, but not picked up, even last minute. In any case I won't have a clue until I see what's up. I've been told it's brass monkeys there though.

I heartell dentistry, e.g. crowns, are so much better priced with quality work if one travels to Asia for the work.  So much so that for multiple crowns it pays for the flight.
2268  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 26, 2013, 07:23:15 PM
Do you seriously think they would have "shipped" (or imported, really) their n°1 salesman for a no-show?

They purposefully withold information, make it slightly vague (or slightly misrepresent it) etc. to create D.R.A.M.A. = free marketing. (that or they're just lame)

To be a salesperson I would have to have to have told or coerced someone to buy something.

I never have.

I have only ever reasoned arguments with valid research and told people to follow through with their own to confirm for themselves. There is nothing underhand there, and there never has been.

Encouraging people to be responsible, perform due diligence, and stay safe with pre-order sales online is common sense.

And for the record yet again, i'm buying my own ticket, as I said I would come for a pick-up in the first place, although this time I'm going to ask them to cover it if they will, especially if I need to stay overnight in a hotel. Stockholm's not cheap and I never agreed to do that.

If there's something worth videoing i'll do my best to insist they allow that, as nothing puts minds at rest more. Whatever happens warts and all, i'll be honest with my account, but this time round there should be a lot more to actually show in moving images than written word.

Peace.

Damn, I thought you might be on a plane to Abbaland now. Have they asked you to go by any specific time yet? I ask because apparently China's having a launch party with a working rig on the 29th in Shanghai...and China is half a day ahead of us giving them a day and a half to get it there? Surely they aren't releasing them there 1st?

I appreciate your reports and time spent passing on information to us too, it was extra info that was useful to a lot of us.
Good luck with the tottie. Smiley
I was thinking they could indeed launch there first, since they are manufactured there; or am I crazy?

If manufactured and shipped from China would we see a higher probability of customs/homeland delay than if shipped from Sweden?
2269  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 26, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Who still believes that a company that gets chips (done in the fab) less than 2 week before the complete working units should be in customers' hands, can deliver the promise?

Even NVIDIA or Intel couldn't do that!

To be fair, what nVidia and intel produce is infinitely more complicated than a bitcoin asic. I too have my reservations about all those promised deadlines, but comparisons to GPUs and CPu's are simply not valid.

Well, true that but KNC has never tested that specific ASIC - they don't know about the real chip, only simulations.

Sometimes you breadboard a circuit and it works right the first time.  Sometimes no.  I believe they'll be happy with their ASIC's performance in situ.

My mistake, should have used the term in natura not in situ.
2270  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 26, 2013, 05:59:53 PM
Who still believes that a company that gets chips (done in the fab) less than 2 week before the complete working units should be in customers' hands, can deliver the promise?

Even NVIDIA or Intel couldn't do that!

To be fair, what nVidia and intel produce is infinitely more complicated than a bitcoin asic. I too have my reservations about all those promised deadlines, but comparisons to GPUs and CPu's are simply not valid.

Well, true that but KNC has never tested that specific ASIC - they don't know about the real chip, only simulations.

Sometimes you breadboard a circuit and it works right the first time.  Sometimes no.  I believe they'll be happy with their ASIC's performance in situ.
2271  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 25, 2013, 11:40:48 PM
Yeah, cause there's just so much real world applications for double SHA256, the  possibilities are endless! You might as well go and buy a few tulip buds.

Just like the internet in 1995....you can't see what hasn't been yet created (the amount of available ASICS processing power is very high and could potentially be monetized other than just mining coins)....Plus FWIW there are shitons of people who make a viable living doing stuff that we would scoff at - janitorial businesses, fast food propritors, ditch diggers, and yes, tulip growers. 

When I first saw KnC they were saying a couple of things that I got mixed up for a short time, they were talking about a litecoin rig and modular miners...and for a short time I had a picture of a dual miner, one module mining each ..the litecoins paying the power bill while the other mined BTC.

You're right about people finding a way to use all this kit I think, necessity is the mother of invention.

Back in 1995 Internet exploder was by far the top browser, Chrome didn't exist....no-one would have believed what we have now. Maybe well all end up looking back and wishing we'd been mining another currency that follows the same path as BTC has.


Loieeesssssssss it was netscape navigator - you aged yourself...youngin

Arachne browser.  I offered a canned ham but times they were already changin'.
2272  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 25, 2013, 05:42:25 PM
Anyone looking at the mining dashboard estimates before buying ANY rigs now...that's got to be a cooler. You struggle to find anything that will reach break even on there now, except the Jupiter delivered in Sept/ Oct and the price is the november discount one not the price anyone actually likely to get one in those months paid.

Even if it's not accurate it's bound to make people think twice unlike 2 or 3 months back when it looked a lot rosier if not exactly bright.

I think it's possible that miners will become much harder to sell, and even moreso on pre-order given the near future losses they are likely to make. Some serious price cuts would be required to improve that.

Even at 5k, would you buy a Jupiter today knowing it would arrive in mid November and never break even? That's looking likely now. So who is going to be buying them?  

Perhaps users who figure getting bitcoin to spend on the slik road is safer via mining then legal tender.
2273  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 25, 2013, 04:23:46 PM
I can't argue with your conclusion (and already read the thread you linked & your thread estimating hashrate based on pre-orders -- thanks).  I think we disagree on minor details -- i think the irrational component, and inability to accurately predict the difficulty three months in advance (average pre-order time -- i might be off), play a greater role in the hashrate increase.  It's not simple math -- it's estimating the ability of others to estimate the ability of others (...) to do simple math.  

BFL is largely to blame with their >1 year "pre-orders".  However the good news is pre-order timeframes are coming down.  As that shrinks and the network gets larger there becomes more visibility on what difficulty will be the day you get your unit.  The combo working together will be very powerful.  Still the one reason I find mining unattractive at the current time is that the largest factor in your return is the actions of others.

I would like The Genesis Block main page to have one large obvious button that gives a calculation of what cost, $/GH/s for a miner, if starting mining that instant, using the best projections for future miner shipments obtainable to estimate future difficulty, will produce ROI in 12 months - you enter only kw cost.

So, some manufacturers or at least one will dump massively into advertising while not really shipping so as to take in as much money as possible while skewing the projections.  So the easy $/GH/s needed for 12 months would quickly kill sales of overpriced miners.

And add a separate Delivery Projection button.  Say, x miner ordered on March 15, 2013 expected to be delivered on .... all based on historical data.
2274  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 25, 2013, 04:14:41 PM
I can't argue with your conclusion (and already read the thread you linked & your thread estimating hashrate based on pre-orders -- thanks).  I think we disagree on minor details -- i think the irrational component, and inability to accurately predict the difficulty three months in advance (average pre-order time -- i might be off), play a greater role in the hashrate increase.  It's not simple math -- it's estimating the ability of others to estimate the ability of others (...) to do simple math.  

BFL is largely to blame with their >1 year "pre-orders".  However the good news is pre-order timeframes are coming down.  As that shrinks and the network gets larger there becomes more visibility on what difficulty will be the day you get your unit.  The combo working together will be very powerful.  Still the one reason I find mining unattractive at the current time is that the largest factor in your return is the actions of others.

I would like The Genesis Block main page to have one large obvious button that gives a calculation of what cost, $/GH/s for a miner, if starting mining that instant, using the best projections for future miner shipments obtainable to estimate future difficulty, will produce ROI in 12 months - you enter only kw cost.
2275  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 25, 2013, 03:56:57 PM
....
There is only a demand on ebay because there is an (incorrect) assumption of profitability. Exploiting that ignorance for as long as it exists is a valid though risky business model for individuals, its not something you can count on when producing those miners.

So, looking into the future, the best profitability would be to buy when the cost of miners is just a bit more than cost of production and the manufacturers are about to quit.  But, somewhere in the future before that, the cost of buying then presently available miners which can truly see ROI within 12 months might happen?  One might assume that would be within 12 months of one of more major manufacturers permanently halting production.
2276  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 25, 2013, 02:56:35 PM
In the meantime, everyone should get used to the new number: 148.819.199

Difficulty and network hashrate, how do they differ?  If one were to look at at the return on a fixed hashrate, say 10GH/s, and the network hashrate doubles, would the BTC returned per week on that 10GH/s halve?  Or does it take a doubling of the difficulty to halve the return on that 10GH/s - understanding we're talking probability not absolutes.
2277  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 25, 2013, 01:12:08 PM
Can't go wrong with a reliable Casio


I had that exact watch when i was in grade 4!!!

I liked it when I started running back in the late-'80's as it has a 10 minute beep on the timer.  Ten minutes out and 10 back before breakfast then off to work.
2278  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 24, 2013, 10:59:22 PM
Man, I can't wait to see security at Stockholm airport when dozens of casually dressed men turn up with a non-descript piece of electronic equipment in a box they *insist* on taking on-board as hand luggage  Cheesy

lol... They might deny their boarding or worst case confiscate the said equipment for verification.
Hopefully some of the guys will remember to bring an alarm clock (need to wake up early to collect that miner), a 9v battery (might come in handy) and definitely a few spare cables with the wires bared. Should be no problem strolling through customs...


Take the miner, a wireless AP, and head for an internet enabled pub with any of the KnC staff up for drinks, set it up there and raise a toast to Bitcoins!
2279  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 24, 2013, 08:14:08 PM

They said, or rather Sam has said, can I make the weekend, this one?

A quick question: How do you plan on getting that miner back to the UK?
I'm asking because I've paid over 240USD for delivery and I'd rather get a ticket and bring them back myself, but I don't think they will survive in the checked in luggage and will not fit in the carry on luggage.

Lol when I first inquired months back, Sam said it would fit in hand luggage. that beast does not meet any hand luggage requirements I know of, but I reckon a clean swipe could take out one of Ryanair's boarding trolls. It may have to be checked in, in a bag with a lot of socks. This is another dilema. Train would take to long, but don't those now have elec outlets and free wifi??

Anyone know how X-rays affect SSD's? (assuming the OS will be written to SSD) since the thing will probably have to go through security's X-ray

Early in the BFL ASIC production threads there was speculation about what was causing the high error rate.  Heat causing wrong firing of FETs or impure silicone and heat causing misfiring of FETS was speculated.  Back in the late '70's I read somewhere about IC's failing in space due to radiation causing misfirings and that a special grade IC was then made for high radiation exposure.  If  the miner is scanned by a radiation emitting device it would probably not cause damage as the miner doesn't have power and disallowed states that may be created would likely be cleared later at boot.

If it's a carry on then an X ray I assume.  Baggage within the US sometimes is scanned with a device that bombards with neutrons, counting those in versus those out as explosives absorb neutrons, hence the advice not to put wool clothing in airline baggage as wool absorbs neutrons and gets slightly radioactive after passing thru.
2280  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 24, 2013, 07:50:10 PM
I have a question, and am not trying to be a troll or anything, this is legit as I don't understand it and would like some clarity from someone who does understand it.

When the chip and the circuit board meet, doesn't there need to be some kind of testing to make sure the components are all working properly together?  I know a lot of other companies struggled with this and took awhile to get things done.  That's why folks like Avalon and BFL sent sample chips out so the guys making the boards and everything had time to tweak their designs.  So why does it seem like KNC is just slapping the chip on the board and shipping it out?  Or do they have both the chips and the boards now and are doing the tweaking as we speak?  Does this have something to do with the fact that they took the design from an FPGA and didn't do any work on it, so that they know exactly what they need and it doesn't require tweaking?

Just trying to understand the process and why they can slap everything together in a weekend and be done with it, where others took a lot longer to do (What seems) like the same thing.


I don't recall exactly what interface KnC using.  I wonder if the ball grid array in general was preferred over pins for the cost benefit or if it had to do with switching speed and spurious signal transmission in the radio frequency range.  But, BGA seems to have a higher failure rate than a pin/socket arrangement I think.  I'm not well versed in these matters so this is just speculation.
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