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2021  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 09:51:51 PM


Thanks.  Then it may be the voltage in filtering.  Building a buck converter to drop voltage from 16.5 to 12 for a zTex, the requirements were a low ESR cap very near the input leads of the buck converter.  So, the 12v in rail has low ESR capacitors that remain in place even tho the VRM are turned off.

I was wondering about that since the caps, etc around the removed VRMs are also removed from the 4 VRM boards.

I'm not so sure that's the case.  Looking at my one module I see what I think is an empty VRM spot near the "1" and there is a row of caps there.

KnC 0:  | 149.8G/138.1Gh/s | A:499611 R:33063 HW:39437 WU:2197.4/m

The above line is the best I've had yet and Slush is showing the miner doing 137.2GH/s.  I'm hesitant about shutting down a well working machine to add tantalum caps to the 12 rail on the module.  If it improves and I can use as a result 0.95 or 0.96 and drop over 100 watts at the wall, I still won't get any higher hash or WU than I'm getting right now.  Let's see, what's 100 watts costing me per month, (100watts)(24hours)=2.4KWhours/day.  30.5 days a month that's 73.2kw/month.  $0.075/kw * 73.2 = $5.49.
2022  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 09:21:16 PM


Okay, back from the run.  Some thoughts.  Stick-on heatsinks/finned-heat-dispersion squares onto the VRMs so they lose heat more easily.  Perhaps as the VRMs heat an internal oscillator drifts away from it's best frequency like if internal caps change value.  And just before getting home the thought occurred to me that if the 8VRM boards are better than the 4VRM boards even tho half the VRMs are turned off, then it's because the 4 off VRMs have internal output filtering that is still attached to the 1 volt line.  Find a nice access point for that 1 volt rail or across the ground and 1 v output pins of the VRMs on the 4 VRM boards and solder tantalum caps.

the extra 4 do have voltage in & out but no amps out.  You can see the one board here has 8 VRMs compared to the others





Thanks.  Then it may be the voltage in filtering.  Building a buck converter to drop voltage from 16.5 to 12 for a zTex, the requirements were a low ESR cap very near the input leads of the buck converter.  So, the 12v in rail has low ESR capacitors that remain in place even tho the VRM are turned off.
2023  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 09:16:31 PM
When I fuss with my cardboard and fans, I sometimes get a reboot.  Since I run, at the present, without the top, center cardboard cooling the BBB, a 12v fan sitting inside blowing on the left side of the module, another 12v fan outside the case blowing on the right side of the 1 module (Mercury), I added another piece of cardboard to the right of the BBB, to the side and up to the module, taking the air pushed out the side and directing it to the module.  The miner white light came on and off as I moved the fans, perhaps a loose pin in an added fan connector, but it started again right away.  Put Bertmod back but earlier tried the 0.2.1 and found it works well with firmware 0.90, looked at my cores, which I could with the 0.2.1, and earlier their was a single core not up, but now there are four 100% cores and the BertMod says the power change from adding that one core on firmware 0.90 with ~0.9v to the 4 vmr's, was 174 watts with one core down and 180 watts with all cores running.
Any chance of a few photos? Hard to visualise.



https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_DLmNkCkkVpZGRTV1NvTzhOMEk/edit?usp=drive_web
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_DLmNkCkkVpRDVFTTZ4TGp0MkU/edit?usp=drive_web

Remember, this is just testing conditions and this will be much neater after I figure out what I need to do and button up.  Might take a while to get the connectors to relocate the BBB tho.

Could you take one the other way, looking from the power supply towards the beaglebone? Just wanted to see how you are pushing the air down on the BBB.

All you'll see is the cardboard tucked under the module and tucked under the 90° angle of the front top.  There is a crease in the cardboard.  Unless it's you want me to search the cardboard from some indication that it was what my Jalapeno and broken coffee cup came in?

Now I recall, Avenger, embroiled in heated exchanges.  Are you with BFL?

Excuse me but I've got to get in some running with my dog.  A slow 7+miles RT to a nearby highway I think.
Sheesh, the photos you provided just show chunks of cardboard, I wanted to see how the air was being directed inside from the inlet fan. Forget it.

Look, the cardboard goes from the metal bottom to the angled edge of the front.  Air pushed in by the front fans can only go out the sides but pushes down on the BBB at the same time.  Experiment.  If you're not running a Mercury then my arrangement ain't best for you.

Ha! New high avg hashrate:  KnC 0:  | 163.9G/137.2Gh/s | A:133086 R:10263 HW:10757 WU:2191.8/m


Okay, back from the run.  Some thoughts.  Stick-on heatsinks/finned-heat-dispersion squares onto the VRMs so they lose heat more easily.  Perhaps as the VRMs heat an internal oscillator drifts away from it's best frequency like if internal caps change value.  And just before getting home the thought occurred to me that if the 8VRM boards are better than the 4VRM boards even tho half the VRMs are turned off, then it's because the 4 off VRMs have internal output filtering that is still attached to the 1 volt line.  Find a nice access point for that 1 volt rail or across the ground and 1 v output pins of the VRMs on the 4 VRM boards and solder tantalum caps.

We have the 4 empty VRM slots with pads to which we can solder tantalum caps to the 1v rail.  The 12v in also has filtering and could use some too.
2024  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 08:58:28 PM
I think tweaking will be necessary to get the best performance and people sharing their mods is useful so we don't have to reinvent the wheel.

From the thermal imaging photos and user experiment's, it's beginning to look like the VRM's are in a sub-optimum position. According to the spec sheet, the cooling airflow should be directed like this (thanks to Bitbuster for jpg):



As the VRMS are mounted parallel to the edge of the case, I imagine very little cool air in getting down in there and certainly the air is not being directed the way it is required to keep them optimally cool. To make things worse in the Jupiter, the late addition baffles added to the case are probably pushing hot air in that direction.

No wonder people who have experimented, (like the photos posted by trepex & soy), have put fans on either side, blowing directly into the VRMs and this seems to improve the situation.

Not sure anyone has been able to do this with a jupiter, as there wouldn't be space to sit fans on each side. It seems the way jupiter owners have handled this is to sit a massive box fan on top of the miner blasting air downwards to cool.

And the other thermal image photo shows that the beaglebone get's hot. I wouldn't have been able to guess it needed a bit of extra cooling without someone sharing their research.

So keep up the experiments guys, it's interesting for us all until we get our own units to play with.

Are those tops snap on?
2025  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 08:56:48 PM
Seriously? Fucking about with bits of cardboard in a multi thousand rig that's days old?

Mine arrives needing shit like that they will get it back, I paid for a working miner capable of a certain hashrate and anything less is not acceptable.
IT should have been here a fucking week ago too.

Read the site, what they are selling. That is what you should get. Simple as that. They don't deliver that, they are at fault.
You fucking about with it makes it vulnerable to them claiming you are out of warranty. Be careful.
I for one appreciate any tweaks & quirks anyone shares...
knowledge & feedback from customers at this stage is critical
If you are in this game, you need to learn how to share information instead of bashing every little comment, and the profanity really isn't needed either.


I mashed the ignore button.
2026  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 08:48:40 PM
When I fuss with my cardboard and fans, I sometimes get a reboot.  Since I run, at the present, without the top, center cardboard cooling the BBB, a 12v fan sitting inside blowing on the left side of the module, another 12v fan outside the case blowing on the right side of the 1 module (Mercury), I added another piece of cardboard to the right of the BBB, to the side and up to the module, taking the air pushed out the side and directing it to the module.  The miner white light came on and off as I moved the fans, perhaps a loose pin in an added fan connector, but it started again right away.  Put Bertmod back but earlier tried the 0.2.1 and found it works well with firmware 0.90, looked at my cores, which I could with the 0.2.1, and earlier their was a single core not up, but now there are four 100% cores and the BertMod says the power change from adding that one core on firmware 0.90 with ~0.9v to the 4 vmr's, was 174 watts with one core down and 180 watts with all cores running.
Any chance of a few photos? Hard to visualise.



https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_DLmNkCkkVpZGRTV1NvTzhOMEk/edit?usp=drive_web
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_DLmNkCkkVpRDVFTTZ4TGp0MkU/edit?usp=drive_web

Remember, this is just testing conditions and this will be much neater after I figure out what I need to do and button up.  Might take a while to get the connectors to relocate the BBB tho.

Could you take one the other way, looking from the power supply towards the beaglebone? Just wanted to see how you are pushing the air down on the BBB.

All you'll see is the cardboard tucked under the module and tucked under the 90° angle of the front top.  There is a crease in the cardboard.  Unless it's you want me to search the cardboard from some indication that it was what my Jalapeno and broken coffee cup came in?

Now I recall, Avenger, embroiled in heated exchanges.  Are you with BFL?

Excuse me but I've got to get in some running with my dog.  A slow 7+miles RT to a nearby highway I think.
Sheesh, the photos you provided just show chunks of cardboard, I wanted to see how the air was being directed inside from the inlet fan. Forget it.

Look, the cardboard goes from the metal bottom to the angled edge of the front.  Air pushed in by the front fans can only go out the sides but pushes down on the BBB at the same time.  Experiment.  If you're not running a Mercury then my arrangement ain't best for you.

Ha! New high avg hashrate:  KnC 0:  | 163.9G/137.2Gh/s | A:133086 R:10263 HW:10757 WU:2191.8/m


Okay, back from the run.  Some thoughts.  Stick-on heatsinks/finned-heat-dispersion squares onto the VRMs so they lose heat more easily.  Perhaps as the VRMs heat an internal oscillator drifts away from it's best frequency like if internal caps change value.  And just before getting home the thought occurred to me that if the 8VRM boards are better than the 4VRM boards even tho half the VRMs are turned off, then it's because the 4 off VRMs have internal output filtering that is still attached to the 1 volt line.  Find a nice access point for that 1 volt rail or across the ground and 1 v output pins of the VRMs on the 4 VRM boards and solder tantalum caps.
2027  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 06:40:38 PM
When I fuss with my cardboard and fans, I sometimes get a reboot.  Since I run, at the present, without the top, center cardboard cooling the BBB, a 12v fan sitting inside blowing on the left side of the module, another 12v fan outside the case blowing on the right side of the 1 module (Mercury), I added another piece of cardboard to the right of the BBB, to the side and up to the module, taking the air pushed out the side and directing it to the module.  The miner white light came on and off as I moved the fans, perhaps a loose pin in an added fan connector, but it started again right away.  Put Bertmod back but earlier tried the 0.2.1 and found it works well with firmware 0.90, looked at my cores, which I could with the 0.2.1, and earlier their was a single core not up, but now there are four 100% cores and the BertMod says the power change from adding that one core on firmware 0.90 with ~0.9v to the 4 vmr's, was 174 watts with one core down and 180 watts with all cores running.
Any chance of a few photos? Hard to visualise.



https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_DLmNkCkkVpZGRTV1NvTzhOMEk/edit?usp=drive_web
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_DLmNkCkkVpRDVFTTZ4TGp0MkU/edit?usp=drive_web

Remember, this is just testing conditions and this will be much neater after I figure out what I need to do and button up.  Might take a while to get the connectors to relocate the BBB tho.

Could you take one the other way, looking from the power supply towards the beaglebone? Just wanted to see how you are pushing the air down on the BBB.

All you'll see is the cardboard tucked under the module and tucked under the 90° angle of the front top.  There is a crease in the cardboard.  Unless it's you want me to search the cardboard from some indication that it was what my Jalapeno and broken coffee cup came in?

Now I recall, Avenger, embroiled in heated exchanges.  Are you with BFL?

Excuse me but I've got to get in some running with my dog.  A slow 7+miles RT to a nearby highway I think.
Sheesh, the photos you provided just show chunks of cardboard, I wanted to see how the air was being directed inside from the inlet fan. Forget it.

Look, the cardboard goes from the metal bottom to the angled edge of the front.  Air pushed in by the front fans can only go out the sides but pushes down on the BBB at the same time.  Experiment.  If you're not running a Mercury then my arrangement ain't best for you.

Ha! New high avg hashrate:  KnC 0:  | 163.9G/137.2Gh/s | A:133086 R:10263 HW:10757 WU:2191.8/m
2028  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 06:38:24 PM

at least you can glu the coffe cup back together & use it maybe...lol...what a slap in the meatballs...

No, the broken cup is gone.  Trying not to dwell on that.  It's unhealthy.
2029  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 06:36:59 PM

Remember, this is just testing conditions and this will be much neater after I figure out what I need to do and button up.  Might take a while to get the connectors to relocate the BBB tho.

 KnC 0: | 171.1G/136.0Gh/s | A:77511 R:6588 HW:6205 WU:2187.4/m

The one core that was down came back on and all 4 at 100%. 


if you are going to do all that, drop the heatsink fans to the crossbar.  you'll be amazed on the drop in temp



I don't quite understand what you mean.  Your heatsink fans seem positioned same as mine although my single module is up front right.
2030  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 06:18:38 PM
When I fuss with my cardboard and fans, I sometimes get a reboot.  Since I run, at the present, without the top, center cardboard cooling the BBB, a 12v fan sitting inside blowing on the left side of the module, another 12v fan outside the case blowing on the right side of the 1 module (Mercury), I added another piece of cardboard to the right of the BBB, to the side and up to the module, taking the air pushed out the side and directing it to the module.  The miner white light came on and off as I moved the fans, perhaps a loose pin in an added fan connector, but it started again right away.  Put Bertmod back but earlier tried the 0.2.1 and found it works well with firmware 0.90, looked at my cores, which I could with the 0.2.1, and earlier their was a single core not up, but now there are four 100% cores and the BertMod says the power change from adding that one core on firmware 0.90 with ~0.9v to the 4 vmr's, was 174 watts with one core down and 180 watts with all cores running.
Any chance of a few photos? Hard to visualise.



https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_DLmNkCkkVpZGRTV1NvTzhOMEk/edit?usp=drive_web
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_DLmNkCkkVpRDVFTTZ4TGp0MkU/edit?usp=drive_web

Remember, this is just testing conditions and this will be much neater after I figure out what I need to do and button up.  Might take a while to get the connectors to relocate the BBB tho.

Could you take one the other way, looking from the power supply towards the beaglebone? Just wanted to see how you are pushing the air down on the BBB.

All you'll see is the cardboard tucked under the module and tucked under the 90° angle of the front top.  There is a crease in the cardboard.  Unless it's you want me to search the cardboard from some indication that it was what my Jalapeno and broken coffee cup came in?

Now I recall, Avenger, embroiled in heated exchanges.  Are you with BFL?

Excuse me but I've got to get in some running with my dog.  A slow 7+miles RT to a nearby highway I think.
2031  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 06:09:38 PM
When I fuss with my cardboard and fans, I sometimes get a reboot.  Since I run, at the present, without the top, center cardboard cooling the BBB, a 12v fan sitting inside blowing on the left side of the module, another 12v fan outside the case blowing on the right side of the 1 module (Mercury), I added another piece of cardboard to the right of the BBB, to the side and up to the module, taking the air pushed out the side and directing it to the module.  The miner white light came on and off as I moved the fans, perhaps a loose pin in an added fan connector, but it started again right away.  Put Bertmod back but earlier tried the 0.2.1 and found it works well with firmware 0.90, looked at my cores, which I could with the 0.2.1, and earlier their was a single core not up, but now there are four 100% cores and the BertMod says the power change from adding that one core on firmware 0.90 with ~0.9v to the 4 vmr's, was 174 watts with one core down and 180 watts with all cores running.
Any chance of a few photos? Hard to visualise.



https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_DLmNkCkkVpZGRTV1NvTzhOMEk/edit?usp=drive_web
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_DLmNkCkkVpRDVFTTZ4TGp0MkU/edit?usp=drive_web

Remember, this is just testing conditions and this will be much neater after I figure out what I need to do and button up.  Might take a while to get the connectors to relocate the BBB tho.

 KnC 0: | 171.1G/136.0Gh/s | A:77511 R:6588 HW:6205 WU:2187.4/m

The one core that was down came back on and all 4 at 100%. 
2032  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 05:57:10 PM
When I fuss with my cardboard and fans, I sometimes get a reboot.  Since I run, at the present, without the top, center cardboard cooling the BBB, a 12v fan sitting inside blowing on the left side of the module, another 12v fan outside the case blowing on the right side of the 1 module (Mercury), I added another piece of cardboard to the right of the BBB, to the side and up to the module, taking the air pushed out the side and directing it to the module.  The miner white light came on and off as I moved the fans, perhaps a loose pin in an added fan connector, but it started again right away.  Put Bertmod back but earlier tried the 0.2.1 and found it works well with firmware 0.90, looked at my cores, which I could with the 0.2.1, and earlier their was a single core not up, but now there are four 100% cores and the BertMod says the power change from adding that one core on firmware 0.90 with ~0.9v to the 4 vmr's, was 174 watts with one core down and 180 watts with all cores running.
Any chance of a few photos? Hard to visualise.

So, Google drive, allow anyone to view, paste the address between the image not-image ?
2033  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 05:52:52 PM
Ha! ran awhile and it's back to all four at 100%!
2034  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 05:46:58 PM
When I fuss with my cardboard and fans, I sometimes get a reboot.  Since I run, at the present, without the top, center cardboard cooling the BBB, a 12v fan sitting inside blowing on the left side of the module, another 12v fan outside the case blowing on the right side of the 1 module (Mercury), I added another piece of cardboard to the right of the BBB, to the side and up to the module, taking the air pushed out the side and directing it to the module.  The miner white light came on and off as I moved the fans, perhaps a loose pin in an added fan connector, but it started again right away.  Put Bertmod back but earlier tried the 0.2.1 and found it works well with firmware 0.90, looked at my cores, which I could with the 0.2.1, and earlier their was a single core not up, but now there are four 100% cores and the BertMod says the power change from adding that one core on firmware 0.90 with ~0.9v to the 4 vmr's, was 174 watts with one core down and 180 watts with all cores running.

Nah, that can't be right as (4dies)(48cores)(6watts)=1152 watts.

So, at 100%, 180watts/(4dies)(48cores)=.9275watt/core.

Trying the 0.95 firmware.  Not enthused.  Started off with 4 cores 100% but that soon dropped due to the .7volt output of the vrms.  Pretty quickly 23.95% of my cores became disabled.  That's the bad news.  The good news is that my power at the wall dropped from 268watts to 142watts and with BertMod showing 89watts, my power supply efficiency is about the same, 62.6%.  I might be able to tweak by raising my PCIE voltage.  I wait and see how this settles out.

Wow, not settling out at all.  Back to the failure to reach 100GH/s and it had started out with 100% cores.  I know from experience that adjusting my Vin, for an hour at 10v and later an hour at 12.5 Vin that it doesn't effectively get above 99.5GH/s while pre-0.95 firmware can allow me >130GH/s but at a cost of 162watts more at the wall extra.  So, the 34GH/s more I expect to get will cost me an additional 114% at the wall.  Well, this would be the time to spend that power, maybe not next year when network hashrate will be so high.

Back to 0.94, enablecores.bin run, have 100% cores for a few minutes then one core goes off.  Same die all the time.  Since the low voltage of the 0.95 lost such a high percentage of  cores, and since I've had the Vin adjusted to 11.7v yesterday and today, I adjusted it up to 12.0 and found the same failure; then adjusted it down to 11.5v and again after a few minutes it drops from all cores 100% to 1 core off at 97.9% of die 3.  It's right up to above 131GH/s avg. so I'm going to let it be at 11.5v, 180w from BertMod, 269˝watts at the wall.

2035  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 05:07:12 PM
When I fuss with my cardboard and fans, I sometimes get a reboot.  Since I run, at the present, without the top, center cardboard cooling the BBB, a 12v fan sitting inside blowing on the left side of the module, another 12v fan outside the case blowing on the right side of the 1 module (Mercury), I added another piece of cardboard to the right of the BBB, to the side and up to the module, taking the air pushed out the side and directing it to the module.  The miner white light came on and off as I moved the fans, perhaps a loose pin in an added fan connector, but it started again right away.  Put Bertmod back but earlier tried the 0.2.1 and found it works well with firmware 0.90, looked at my cores, which I could with the 0.2.1, and earlier their was a single core not up, but now there are four 100% cores and the BertMod says the power change from adding that one core on firmware 0.90 with ~0.9v to the 4 vmr's, was 174 watts with one core down and 180 watts with all cores running.

Nah, that can't be right as (4dies)(48cores)(6watts)=1152 watts.

So, at 100%, 180watts/(4dies)(48cores)=.9275watt/core.

Trying the 0.95 firmware.  Not enthused.  Started off with 4 cores 100% but that soon dropped due to the .7volt output of the vrms.  Pretty quickly 23.95% of my cores became disabled.  That's the bad news.  The good news is that my power at the wall dropped from 268watts to 142watts and with BertMod showing 89watts, my power supply efficiency is about the same, 62.6%.  I might be able to tweak by raising my PCIE voltage.  I wait and see how this settles out.

Wow, not settling out at all.  Back to the failure to reach 100GH/s and it had started out with 100% cores.  I know from experience that adjusting my Vin, for an hour at 10v and later an hour at 12.5 Vin that it doesn't effectively get above 99.5GH/s while pre-0.95 firmware can allow me >130GH/s but at a cost of 162watts more at the wall extra.  So, the 34GH/s more I expect to get will cost me an additional 114% at the wall.  Well, this would be the time to spend that power, maybe not next year when network hashrate will be so high.
2036  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 04:54:20 PM
When I fuss with my cardboard and fans, I sometimes get a reboot.  Since I run, at the present, without the top, center cardboard cooling the BBB, a 12v fan sitting inside blowing on the left side of the module, another 12v fan outside the case blowing on the right side of the 1 module (Mercury), I added another piece of cardboard to the right of the BBB, to the side and up to the module, taking the air pushed out the side and directing it to the module.  The miner white light came on and off as I moved the fans, perhaps a loose pin in an added fan connector, but it started again right away.  Put Bertmod back but earlier tried the 0.2.1 and found it works well with firmware 0.90, looked at my cores, which I could with the 0.2.1, and earlier their was a single core not up, but now there are four 100% cores and the BertMod says the power change from adding that one core on firmware 0.90 with ~0.9v to the 4 vmr's, was 174 watts with one core down and 180 watts with all cores running.

Nah, that can't be right as (4dies)(48cores)(6watts)=1152 watts.

So, at 100%, 180watts/(4dies)(48cores)=.9275watt/core.

Trying the 0.95 firmware.  Not enthused.  Started off with 4 cores 100% but that soon dropped due to the .7volt output of the vrms.  Pretty quickly 23.95% of my cores became disabled.  That's the bad news.  The good news is that my power at the wall dropped from 268watts to 142watts and with BertMod showing 89watts, my power supply efficiency is about the same, 62.6%.  I might be able to tweak by raising my PCIE voltage.  I wait and see how this settles out.
2037  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 03:55:16 PM
When I fuss with my cardboard and fans, I sometimes get a reboot.  Since I run, at the present, without the top, center cardboard cooling the BBB, a 12v fan sitting inside blowing on the left side of the module, another 12v fan outside the case blowing on the right side of the 1 module (Mercury), I added another piece of cardboard to the right of the BBB, to the side and up to the module, taking the air pushed out the side and directing it to the module.  The miner white light came on and off as I moved the fans, perhaps a loose pin in an added fan connector, but it started again right away.  Put Bertmod back but earlier tried the 0.2.1 and found it works well with firmware 0.90, looked at my cores, which I could with the 0.2.1, and earlier their was a single core not up, but now there are four 100% cores and the BertMod says the power change from adding that one core on firmware 0.90 with ~0.9v to the 4 vmr's, was 174 watts with one core down and 180 watts with all cores running.

Nah, that can't be right as (4dies)(48cores)(6watts)=1152 watts.

So, at 100%, 180watts/(4dies)(48cores)=.9275watt/core.
2038  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 03:41:14 PM
When I fuss with my cardboard and fans, I sometimes get a reboot.  Since I run, at the present, without the top, center cardboard cooling the BBB, a 12v fan sitting inside blowing on the left side of the module, another 12v fan outside the case blowing on the right side of the 1 module (Mercury), I added another piece of cardboard to the right of the BBB, to the side and up to the module, taking the air pushed out the side and directing it to the module.  The miner white light came on and off as I moved the fans, perhaps a loose pin in an added fan connector, but it started again right away.  Put Bertmod back but earlier tried the 0.2.1 and found it works well with firmware 0.90, looked at my cores, which I could with the 0.2.1, and earlier their was a single core not up, but now there are four 100% cores and the BertMod says the power change from adding that one core on firmware 0.90 with ~0.9v to the 4 vmr's, was 174 watts with one core down and 180 watts with all cores running.
2039  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 02:59:54 PM
One of my miners hashes to a max for a like 4+ hours straight; then, everything fails. it goes to like infinitety hardware errors and 0 hashrate. What could be wrong and how could I fix this?

you're probably using pre-94 FW and one of your dies/VRMs is a bit flaky



with fw .95 and .96, they each give me a high hash rate whereas .96 is 20 gh/s more; however, after running at that level for four hours the hashrate went down to 1.86 mb/s. Then, after restarting it again, it would give out after about 30 minutes; then, it would do it in like 15 minutes. Is my Jupiter dying?I ran enable cores.bin. I don't know what could be wrong. Bertmod reports that most of the cores are on, only about 38 out of the 768 are off. Furthermore, the 5s hashrate shows it is getting a 525+ gh/s , but the avg hashrate is 1.86 mb/s. My hardware error rate is at about 7%

The 3rd asic slot chip reaches temperatures of around 67.5. Maybe there is a hardware shutdown temperature it it goes a little higher than that? I put a case fan on it and it runs cooler. I'll see if that was the problem

I suggest, if you're running with the top off, cut a piece of cardboard the width of a front fan, about 5.75" wide, and high enough to abut the front of a front or both front ASIC module(s) and reach under the lip of the top front of the miner, and put it aside.  When the hashrate crashes down, try putting the cardboard between the two front fans so the outside halves are pushing air into the box but the center halves are pushing air down onto the BBB.  I think it's the BBB heating that causes the drop after hours of otherwise good hashing.  If I'm right, when you put the cardboard in place, you can watch the first figure in the cgminer hashrate, that you can view ssh'ing in using putty, immediately rise up.  If I'm wrong it won't.
2040  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 20, 2013, 02:48:08 PM
Jesus man, I've been reading 12 pages just about talking about power supplies! WTF?

Just buy this one: http://www.corsair.com/us/power-supply-units/rm-series-power-supply-units/rm-series-rm850-80-plus-gold-certified-power-supply.html

You can use it for a Saturn, 2 Saturn's or one Jupiter. When I use it with my 2 Saturn's it pulls down exactly 600 watts, which leaves a little room to spare. People buying these 1000 Watt monsters. Crazy.



Yes, and the efficiency looks quite good.  

I see that using 0.90, which I believe uses the most energy and produces a high percentage of duplicate shares that count as rejects, this on a Mercury, using a cheap 12vdc switching supply (the output voltage of which I can adjust) and an inexpensive BBB supply, I'm drawing 259˝ watts (174 watts on BertMod) at the wall so it's an efficiency of 67% so that's not great.  Of course the BBB draws and it's 1 BBB to 1 module while with a Saturn it's 1BBB to 2 modules.  

I may be able to increase my efficiency even more by dropping the ASIC PCIE voltage down.  The onboard vrms aren't completely efficient and lowering that voltage might find a sweeter spot.  That's the only advantage of this cheap supply designed for powering a huge load of LEDs, the output is adjustable.  That and its cost, $27.88 free shipping and a few bucks for tantalum capacitors I added.

Still, 600 watts on 2 Saturns, that's 150watts per.  

I'm getting 134GH/s as the final settling point on 0.90 at 174watts on BertMod.  If you're getting 150watts at the wall per then I suspect you aren't getting 134GH/s per avg.  Of course you could be if the efficiency of the later firmware versions is great but I've heard that's at a cost of hashrate.  Eliminating the duplicate shares would have gone a long way to increasing efficiency.  I'll know later today when I go to higher versions of the firmware until the duplicate shares stop.

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