So to recap

1. no achievements
2. no examples of  original thought inspiring posts
3. still spamming the sig.
4. I am the idiot.

I have no consideration for the opinions of the corrupt nor the ass kisser of those that are corrupt that spam their sigs whilst lecturing others on crying about the inability not to spam their sigs.

You came here to this thread and started shouting insults at people. You simply don't like getting called on that.

Remove your sig then i can take you a little more seriously. Well as seriously as I can take anyone that has achieved zero and have zero examples of original thought inspiring contributions.

However I will try to stop derailing this thread by making it personal. You should consider doing the same before calling the OP a crying window licker for presenting facts and observable events.

That will sadly do you no good because if someone with 250 cycled merits does not want you there it is likely they will collude with the small circle of pals to get you removed.

250 earned merits are the key positions in the trust system.

Oh really?? yeah cos those that are wealthy need to spam their sigs.

Please you broke bum stop lying. You don't have any bitcoin let's be honest for once.

You are laughable. Take that sig off and remain silent coward.

Please point me to any significant thought provoking contribution you ever made here so I can have more entertainment.

Also please relate to me the great achievements you have made here and how things would be any different if you have never joined this board.  That won't take you long I am sure.

Says the person spamming his sig away.

Crying??... watch this fool cry if he has to post without a sig.  Get him some red paint just for presenting facts and see how he sings a different tune.

Glad to see more persons waking up here.

More red pills anyone??

Well I would not expect it would matter so long as a person did not try to rip him off. To me thule took the correct course asking theymos to validate.

Well, we need to be careful not to make too many jumps from direct scamming to other things that some could connect to perhaps the privacy of a trade.

We also have to consider here that if someone did rip you off then you are possibly within your rights i believe to dox them if they do not send the money after they have promised. Their privacy does not deserved to be honoured if they try to scam you out of money.

I think if thule contacted theymos soon after he was contacted it demonstrates he was believed it was true. No other explanation makes sense and red trust for this to me is a bit out of place.

If you had evidence of him contacting theymos soon after would you remove?

1. you are wrong about that.
2. present a negative thread
3. present the unwarranted attacks.
4. which values. I guess you must be against a fairer system for all that is free of abuse.

faux decentralisation is worse than centralised control that treats everyone the same in a fair enough way that persons stick around and dont go elsewhere.

Surely theymos will just say if thule asked him to check the validity of the PMs (with thules permission) that should be enough to say this is 3rd party provided not from thule to himself. Then we can just get rid of that red trust.

Let's keep red trust for scammers only.

1. you should be interested if you are enabling untrustworthy persons into positions of trust
2. I posted 2 links to prove it it was perhaps 500 words total. Not my words. The others posted their own guilt in their own words.
3. fair enough.

I have many events on today so i will sadly be gone for some time.

well it seems the goal is the same with one difference.

You advocate making it fair but leaving someone proven a liar and trust abuse inside the system so that their tags are not removed from possible real scammers (these could be added by others could they not)

I advocate making it fair but getting untrusted persons out of the system.

I will accept your goal gladly over what we have now hence I believe you have good intentions. However the new rules need to completely eliminate any room for proven abusers to abuse in future and prior abuse removed.

I don't actually hate lauda as many say that I do. I just do not want red trust used as a weapon or have the potential to be used as a weapon against any persons other than scammers.

I said at the start when you first disagreed with me I do believe you want a fair system in the end. At least much fairer than it is now.

You have to accept though that wrong doers even proven wrong doers find it hard to accept punishment from other persons proven to have committed wrong doing in the pasts. It just goes against the grain.

Still yes the goal of a fairer system will be more than good enough for me. Same rules applied to all persons equally. Red trust for scammers and those directly related to scamming only.

I am encouraged many others want a fair system even if they feel I should not post so much. I will leave it here for now.

Says lauda the proven liar. So there is a strong possibility the reverse is true.

@bones

I think my long post could of clouded my main point.

If thule asked theymos to investigate the persons PM early into this then we need to realise thule did not make it up. It would make no logical sense for him to create something to have it debunked straight away. Theymos may not get involved if it were true (other than remove suchmoon i hope) but he could certainly say this is PM is a fake.

Okay sorry I thought someone said the dox was deleted and she had denied it was accurate anyway.

Seems like your MO getting people banned for doing nothing wrong.

If it turns out that you did scam this person then it is you that should be getting banned suchmoon

Threats seem a common theme with suchmoon.

This is true as i have said you may not be as bad as some however your support of them in light of the fact I have presented evidence of their untrustworthy behaviour and you still maintain that you feel they are trustworthy and refuse to even acknowledge there is proof of their untrustworthy behaviour is fucked up.

If I was caught using a sock puppet account to racist troll sig spam on this board for btc dust you would easily find time to review it and be sure to have a lot to say about it too. I can see Huge Black Woman would be getting brought up a lot more if it was my sock puppet account I was busted for.

It I was demonstrated to have lied you would  have no issue calling me a liar.

It I said in black and white -- I can, will,  and have red trust someone for presenting facts regarding wrong doing you would find time to say yes cryptohunter that is wrong too. You should not do that I can't trust a person that does that. Dt is meant for you to present facts of wrongdoing not punish persons presenting those facts.

You can not say because they have not done those things to you they deserve to be in a trust system. You should not support them in a trust system. You could say okay i don't give a shit they did these things because I don't even like cryptohunter and it is funny they gave him red trust, fuck him.  --That is fair enough, that is your call... but you are helping install them into positions of trust, that is different.

You are one sided because you are either scared of them or you want to keep being pals with them

This is unfair and untrustworthy in its own right although it may not be as bad as directly doing those things yourself.

Please be sensible.

@caanalbism13 -

Your posts have zero value so they are annoying noise clouding issues and the motive i suspect is to get some btc dust or merits. I see no new important information in them just your slobbering noob trash ass kissing clutter. It insulting to me that you grind btc dust from your projects spamming support for proven untrustworthy persons. I would say that you could be viewed untrustworthy for supporting persons that are proven untrustworthy. Ask suchmoon. Alex says that supporting " possible" scams makes you untrustworthy.

Offering me merit by request can be worthy or red trust. What do you mean?

Well again you are incorrect.

You can not use anecdotal experiences to make refutation of a proven point. Please review my most important thread of the year to understand why and continue to discuss it there.  

Of course if people are allowed to red trust for anything including the dislike of lemons then they will be influencing free speech.

Again you are making false accusations. Please provide evidence of

1. accusations I made without providing grounding and case to substantiate these reasonable statements.

2.where my opinions are voiced off topic and are not relevant.

3. I think you will find that i got my red tag for the reasons i stated already.

Lauda came to ME first calling me  LIAR  2 X and would NOT provide any evidence or grounding. I did not search that snake out.
I then was fully within my rights to tell him in what ever manner i choose that if he continued with his MANNER that i will encourage others to review his post history (where i know full well he is a PROVEN liar) That was why i got red trust. He says he can call me a liar 3x without any evidence and then if i tell him to stop it else I will encourage others to review his post history I am a blackmailer. What a bunch of crap. He is trying to use red trust to silence me and allow himself to continue to call me a liar over and over with no evidence.

If you follow the time line with in the merit threads here you will clearly see they became hostile first and their MANNER was hostile first.  

I have no care for my MANNER after I am given red trust for defending myself and suggesting people look into the truth of the matter.

Red trust is not for taming peoples Manner after they have been red trusted by a liar.

The trust system and the merit system are systems of control with no mandate and no criteria and as such have drastic powers to crush free speech. This is not even deniable except by a person that does not understand how they operate.

Please review the thread of the year to read and clearly understand how you are trying to disagree with an observable presentation of how  they currently function. Sure, bring in criteria for merit and trust, and you can perhaps say this power over free speech has been reduced or removed.

You do realise that in opposing me and my views you are simply fighting against the formation of a transparent, fair and equal system. What else do I ask for other than a clear mandate, clear criteria that is applied fairly to all persons?

If you can find a post where my goal is anything other than that present it here right now. If not then as I say opposing what I say is you fighting to retain a system that is unfair, unequal, open to abuse and that allows the crushing of free speech. This is undeniable. The only reason I hope you persist with this is because you do not fully understand how the systems of control function.

I make no apologies what so ever for getting annoyed for my treatment. I am always nice to those that are nice to me. But be disrespectful to me and be hostile to me.....then sorry I am not going to keep being nice.

I have been here many years and fought huge scams. I am 100x more trustworthy that these pieces of shit on DT that supported these shady scamming projects and lied for financial gain. They are not going to be red trusting me and getting away with it. Sorry for keep going on about it but until something is done then as boring and annoying as it may be for those unaffected by my ill treatment... expect to hear more about it.  I have put huge effort to protect others who have been treated unfairly but for myself I will even go that extra mile.

Can you imagine knowing and proving someone is a proven scum bag liar and scam protector and watching them lecture others on lying or supporting "possible scams". Then punishing people and ruining their accounts as they choose. No way. Look at these known sneaky sock puppet trolling sig spammers lecturing others on financial shit posting. What is this place coming to to knowling sanction such crap. Then even having them admit in black and white, ..yes I will red trust you for presenting facts that reveal my friends are scum.

Sorry for the long post but if you have read this and still do not get it then at least it is on record i tried to furnish you many times with the details.

Mods have to give the appearance of being fair. You don't mind admitting in public you are too afraid to review evidence and facts of untrustworthy behaviour of those you support on DT

That is a big difference.

The echo chamber you would create would be dangerous.

Just stick to hiding on rep with self moderated threads or hiding behind local rules here.

You notice my local rules??

Anyone can post who provides evidence or supporting corroborating events to substantiate their posts. Not sneaking and hiding away like a bunch of cowards and colluders.

Of course we can fight them. DT is but one tool. Notice how they all rely on signatures and services they provide.

Why should untrustworthy persons proven untrustworthy like they are be allowed to ruin such projects image our next move is to bring this to the attention of those projects. If they fail to shun untrustworthy persons from their project then that could well mean their projects are unstrustworthy and their customers need to be informed of these facts so they can factor that in to any decision to deal or invest.

Each time a person is trust abused this movement will gather pace.

Also once a critical mass of persons understand the fact that DT is infested with proven untrustworthy persons and that red trust in some cases is an endorsement then that will collapse the power that they have.

You usually support this kind of thing.

You like people who red tag those that speak out regarding wrongdoing.

Seems like double standards from you or just more broken logic.

Bones although we have had a few arguments  I do not think you are as unfair as the others so i ask you to be sensible about this issue.

The FACT thule has request theymos look at the original PM is enough to suggest that HE BELIEVES they exist.

I think red trust in light of this is completely wrong. Please explain how you see it other wise.

I see no way for thule to have found this information if suchmoon claims there is no dox anywhere else.

Please be sensible he would not have asked Theymos to investigate this just to fall flat on his face if it were immediately found to be a spoof.

If this blows up and it turns out suchmoon has stolen some persons money or miner then it will look very bad if the person bringing this to light was red trusted along the way considering he is calling on you dts and theymos to help him get to the bottom of it.

It is completely illogical and would be stupid for him to call for theymos to confirm at all let alone of his own accord so early on in this debacle.

It simply does not make any sense for a person to believe thule sent himself this message. His actions are compelling evidence this was sent to him by someone else.

You gave the POST merit. You cant give a post merit that has one piece you like and then goes on to make a bunch of false assumptions and political rantings. The merit endorses the entire post.

You must quote the entire post that you merited. It was a tirade of political ranting from a proven untrustworthy sock puppet sneaky racist trolling sig spammer. Who is pissed because he keeps getting bitch slapped with that evidence.

I mean you do realise Huge Black Woman is aka the pharmacist do you not?

Jet cash is  crying pathetic baby. This is observably true. He cries he will not report anymore because 1 out of 1000 reports was marked wrong. He cries that his thread was moved to a more suitable thread. He is afraid to even review facts that demonstrate untrustworthy behaviour  by those he includes in the trust system.

Of course he wants and echo chamber for him and other untrustworthy persons to chat tell each other how they agree with everything each of them says away from those that want to inject truth and observable events into their nonsense.