The above wall of text is full of off-topic P&S drama. I am not going to entertain you anymore.

For those coming late, here is a summary.

1miau uses the trust system as a weapon to punish members who have different points of view related to politics, if you happen to post a different point of view than his, he would

- Remove positive feedback if any (happened and he did not deny it)
- Give you a negative tag for something else that he would otherwise ignore if you did not have a different political opinion (happened and he did not deny it)
- Add you to his exclusion list for saying something in P&S that he does not like (he did that to me, and recently we came to know that he did the same to mindrust)

Furthermore, if you happen to disagree with him, expect some mean insults in public, and if you ignore them -- more would come to your PM (happened to me and he did not deny it)

Also, I appreciate everyone's opinion calling for "peace", unfortunately, I am not at war with 1miau, he still thinks it's perfectly fine to do everything he did, and instead of admitting that he shouldn't be using the trust system for political reasons, he keeps attacking me, as if that would somehow make him look better.

If the community thinks it's perfectly fine to use the trust system for politics-related stuff, I will respect that and move on.



By "peacefully" do you mean, removing positive feedback, giving neg feedback, and trust list exclusion?

if you want to stop the drama, stop attacking me, I said what I have to say and you presented your case, let's both stop posting unless a question is directed to one of us, otherwise, you keep quoting my posts and I keep quoting yours which leads nowhere, you are just making it hard for the readers to follow the topic, which is probably what you want to achieve after all, if you are so confident in yourself, stop drilling the thread, I only posted once in your thread "which you created to attack me instead of defending yourself".

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TL;DR for everyone else:

Do you think it's fine to use the trust system against others for political disagreements?

Are you doing this air-cooled? please explain a little about your setup, I have never seen the 901 error, but anything that starts with 50 always has to do with the temperature of something, the last two digits will tell you exactly what part is getting hot, but ya judging by the fact that you are "overclocking" the miners -- then it's very likely the error is caused by some temp issues.

Lying again 1miau? You excluded me long before I started this topic, the exclusion happened because you disagreed with my point of view on a very specific political war.


Lol, how am I radicalized, did I insult you? PM you to insult you further? remove you from my trust list? remove my positive feedback and/or left you a negative rating because you disagreed with me? I did not do any of those things, you did, so guess who is radical here?



I thought the same after 10 mins discussion on P&S I thought what happens in P&S stays in P&S, but you had to continue your insults via PM, and did all the trust system related stuff, you had no plans of moving on before you had punished everyone who did not agree with you.


Correct, everyone can see that you have been doing this shit since 2022, anyone who disagree with you on P&S, ends up with either (negative feedback, a removal of positive feedback or exclusion from trust list).




hmm, I intentionally put the "accusations" in numbered points, which one of them is misleading?


a step further to what exactly? do you promise that you will grow up and stop abusing the trust system by punishing everyone who disagrees with your rant? if you do, I will lock the thread, but while you are still attacking me to discredit the facts I posted about you -- you don't seem to be looking for a solution, you are looking for this to end as if nothing has ever happened.



Nobody gives a shit about what you think about the conflict, it's up to you to say and do whatever you want about it, it's a free forum, just keep this out of the trust system and nobody would accuse you of anything again.


Lol, so you expect a 70-year old conflict to have a happy ending when you can't stand 10 mins debating about it behind the screen? I really want to know, if you had more tools to use against me and those who disagreed with you, something like a death note of some kind, would you have written our names in it?



I really want to believe that you are honest about this, but I have a strong feeling you are saying this now because things look bad for you, you can't stick to your theory of "given that you disagree with my political views, I will have to exclude you and cause you whatever damage possible".

But hey, I don't care if you are honest or just afraid, as long as you stop abusing the trust system -- I think the problem is solved, let's hope no more victims of yours show up here so the topic will fade and die.


I think you said this like 5 times already, and you know it's not true if I wanted to solve the exclusion, I would have PMed you and settled the matter with you, and I would not have asked theymos to blacklist me from DT1 which I was in probably long before you learned how to create your trust list.

This has nothing to do with the exclusion otherwise I would have complained about everyone else who has me in their exclusions
This has nothing to do with you having a different political opinion because I posted on P&S and had far more "heated" discussions and never once complained about

This has everything to do with you using the trust system to punish people who don't share the same political opinions as you, so this conflict between us won't end with you removing me from your exclusion, it won't end by saying you want to end it and have a fresh start, it will only end when you stop punishing other people for not sucking up to your views.

Hmmm, I see, so this an old habit then, naughty 1miau managed to hide his dirty games all this long.

It would be interesting to see all the people he included/excluded solely for political disagreement.

Of course, get ready for his reply, he will

1- make it seem like you are just upset because of the exclusion itself
2- Some other meaningless bullshit on why he excluded you right after your political statement.

It's to see what the community thinks of someone who treats the trust system as a tool to punish those who disagree with his political views, I did not remove my positive rating because it has nothing to do with this, I still think he is somewhat trusted with trades, as for not excluding him from my trust list, I don't believe in tit for tat, excluding him now would sound like it's a retaliation, besides, I am not on DT1.


There are no rules for trust lists, but he did that because of political disagreement, the exclusion itself means nothing on it's own, people edit their trust list all the time, and nobody cares, but when you do it as a punishment for political related issues, it's means something, of course along with him tagging another member who disagreed with him, and removing his positive feedback from another member.


The details of the discussion in P&S are irrelevant, we disagreed on a political conflict just like everyone else does, it should not have left that particular thread, but he took it out outside by

1- he sent me a PM full of insults and demanded that I remove my positive feedback (because of the disagreement)
2- he deleted positive feedback he had previously given to another member (because of the disagreement)
3- he added negative feedback to another member (because of the disagreement)
4- he removed me from his inclusion and ~ me (because of the disagreement)


This isn't a personal issue between him and me, it's not about politics or who is right and who is wrong, it's about 1miau using the trust system to punish everyone who disagrees with him, do you think it's an accepted behavior and should be the norm? can a pro-Russian DT visit the Ukrian vs Russia thread and exclude every pro-Ukranian because it's not against the "rules" to do that? furthermore, would he still be worthy of being a DT member after doing so?



You are 100% correct in this, if he was not the child he is, this disagreement should have ended right after the 2-3 posts on that topic, but alas, this dude took this way too far, I was not bothered by the insults and the PMs, it was how he used the trust system to punish us for disagreeing with him.


Let this serve as a reminder that 1miau is a terrible person to interact with, 4-5 years of friendly relationship with him, never disrespected him, and always treated him nicely and with respect, and none of that meant anything to him the moment I disagreed with him on a political subject, a grown-up person would not insult and curse someone over a political disagreement, let alone someone you know and have interacted with for many years.


1miau could very well exclude you, neg tag you, or remove any positive feedback he left on your profile because if this line, he thinks that no innocent children are being killed in Gaza and it's all but lies, and thus to him, you are an "Islamist propagandist" who should be punished using the trust system, obviously, he wouldn't do it now because he was just exposed, but I am sure he will hold a grudge against you for saying this until the right time come.

And that pass expired the moment he disagreed with your political b.s ? And suddenly "a troll" is no longer a waste of time?

He basically used the previous rating as well as the references, just copy-paste, probably did not even bother reading them, he was in a rush to punish everyone, aint got time for references.

He admitted  that he evaluated digaran's profile long time ago, and back then he saw no need to tag him, but everything changed the moment he found out about his political stand on the political conflict.

He found an excuse to punish him, and then for me because he could not just tag me, he excluded me, and then for another person who also disagreed with him, he removed the positive feedback he left him, so this rating was just one among a streak of 1miau emotional breakdown.

The moment you disagree with 1miau, basically after insulting you in public, sends you a PM full of hate and disrespect, then finds a way to use the trust system against you, because how dare you disagree with his mighty points of view.

Had digaran not disagreed with 1miau on a political subject, that rating would not be there, 1miau can lie all he wants about it but it is crystal clear.

That is correct, he has been a great DT member up to the point when he was debated on a political topic, he decided to do everything at his disposal to punish everyone who disagreed with him, be it the exclusion of a member he trusted for 4 years, removing a positive feedback, or giving a negative feedback.


I agree, I don't think he should be removed from DT just yet, his right-doings still overcome his bad, I just hope that he realizes his mistakes and refrains from doing them again, he needs to control his emotions and act like a grown-up man who can take criticism without the urge of punishing those who disagree with him.


The trust list / DT shouldn't be related only to scams, the ratings should be yes, but the trust list should be dictated by a few other factors, in fact, the trust list of the people you trust is very important, when you add someone to your trust list you are giving them more strength and visibility, their "vote" matters more with your inclusion.

if that person's trust list is based on their political point of you, then you know their judgment is bad and they shouldn't be on your trust list, just imagine someone is on DT1  with just 1 inclusion, and then suddenly due to their political views they get an exclusion from 1miau and are no longer on DT list, so now all the feedback left by that person are no longer visible just because 1miau wants everyone to agree with him on a 70-year-old conflict.

Furthermore, the fact that his exclusions are based on political disagreements, there could be times when his inclusions are also affected by the same thing, so this topic should at least serve as a warning and reminder for him and everyone else that for this trust system to work effectively, you should only include and exclude members based on your judgment of their judgment related to the trust system, not because they disagree with your points of view on something unrelated to the trust system, and the same thing applies for leaving/removing feedback.

You already did in the original topic, so what is the point of starting a new topic for the same thing? what purpose does it serve? Are you that insecure 1miau? didn't you just claim that

This topic is the textbook definition of "unnecessary drama".


1miau you made a mistake, and instead of fixing it you are now adding more lies to your story, it's like you are digging a bigger whole for no reason, I was not angry,  you were, my posts and so are yours are still there, people can judge for themselves, you started the insults publically, you sent me a PM full of hate, keep in mind that up to this point, I have not insulted you even once, and I am still not mad at you.


Yes, so a DT member like yourself decides his trust list and feedback based on political opinions?


But you did not deny any of my accusations against you, did you? You edited your trust list based on political reasons, you removed positive feedback you left due to political reasons, you tagged another forum member (right after he showed disagreement to your post in P&S), you even said


This means if it was not for the political disagreement, you would have not tagged him.

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Anyway, this old tactic of attacking someone who exposed you just to discredit them so that their claims become less important is just silly, you keep losing credibility, and you are better off defending yourself than attacking me, unless, of course, you have nothing to defend yourself with.


If using the trust system to punish those who disagree with your political point of view is not abuse -- I don't know what is. and as for valid proof, everything you did was mentioned in the main topic

That is not the goal anyway, but this thread will serve its purpose, 1miau now realizes that his political involvement in DT has been exposed, he will most likely stop doing that, he would use the trust system the way it is supposed to be used, just like any grown up person who cares about the community more than his personal political drama.

In other words, many people will stop being afraid of debating political topics with him because he won't be able to punish them.

Of course, if he continues with his behavior, he will eventually be removed, the forum history is full of examples, it does not matter how popular you are, when your personal feelings get the best of you -- you end up out of DT.

Also, we have a particular case in hand, this is not the best place to discuss other members.

There you go again with your anger management issues, I am not going to reply to the same stuff again, there is enough evidence that you are trying to punish everyone who disagree with your political b.s, you just admitted it.

If other DT members think that someone like you deserves to still be in DT, you will, if not you will eventually be removed, I am not imposing my point view of anyone, just stating facts which you could not deny because they all are still there for everyone to see.

Now if you would excuse me, I am not going to reply to any of your attacks because I have no time for that.

hmm, I don't think he meant that I was a part of the discussion between the two of them, he was just trying to "justify" why he left that feedback, which was a waste of time and effort because I did not contest the feedback itself, I only questioned the timing.

In fact, If you check his first feedback


He just copied the same exact link from marlboroza feedback, then he deleted it and posted a new feedback with the original (not archived) post, I think right after the political discussion he had he was just rushing to punish everyone who disagreed with him, I am glad he doesn't have more power than that or else at moments of anger he could have caused some serious damage to everyone who disagrees with him.


I wouldn't, because I have been on his trust list since 2019, we interacted a dozen times, and I won't even count the number of PMs we had back and forth, I was always nice to him and he was always nice to me, he even invited me to the German section on many occasions, we always shared that "merit race" memories,  I don't believe much in "online friendship" however, if there is such a thing, then 1miau and I were actually "online friends", but none of that made any difference to him the moment he discovered that I disagree with his political views, so if he did that to someone like me whom he knows and had a good relationship with, I can only imagine what he would do to someone he doesn't know or someone he dislikes for other reasons.

On a side but related note, @digaran, this isn't the perfect thread for your issues with 1miau which fall outside of the context of this thread, I am not going to discuss the legitimacy of the feedback he left you, it's only the timing that matters.



You sure are, it's very clear what you did right after the political disagreement.  



Or, I could expose your incompetence and let everyone decide for themselves.


Ok so now you are gone from "trying to justify" to straight out "lie until they believe you", the only reason you did that was because I happened to disagree with you on a political subject, at least dare to admit it.




I said "could", which is something that has a high probability of happening, the fact that you exclude members because of their political views, tag members right after they disagree with you, and remove positive feedback, suggests that you could at one point start to include members based on the same reasons you remove them.


it is very strange to remove someone you had in there since 2019, and then add them to your distrust list, just right after having a political disagreement. you still don't get it, it's not about me not being on your trust list anymore, it has exactly zero effect on my forum life, you want to make it sound like I am demanding your inclusion as if I created the same topic about everyone who distrusts me or doesn't include me in their list, you are smart enough to understand the basis of this topic but you keep pretending that you don't because you know very well that your political views reflect so hard on the way you use the trust system, you don't want to say it out loud despite actually practicing it, you are just afraid of losing that power and then whenever someone disagree with you on any political subject you won't have any DT power to "punish them".



If I wanted to discuss our personal issue I would have posted all the insults you pointed to me, or the PMs, or how bad I feel about losing someone who I considered a friend, but I am not here to discuss "our personal" issues, I am here to discuss your bad usage of the trust system since that affects the forum as a whole, not just you and I.


I agree, and that's the cause of all this, you have some anger management issues, and you unleash the beast inside of you when people disagree with you, this is something that DT members must not do. if you can't handle disagreements, don't get yourself involved in discussions, it's unrealistic to expect people to agree with you on everything, and when they don't -- try to punish them with every tool at your disposal.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470732.msg63017139#msg63017139



I am not siding with anyone, I am simply questioning your timing, according to the reference you used in your feedback, digaran should have been tagged since 2018, but you only remembered to tag him the moment he disagreed with your political views, had you not found other negative feedback on his profile, what would you do to punish him for disagreeing with you? add him to your distrust list?



Correct, but it seems fine by you, until he disagrees with your political view, no?


You are correct, you could also request that people remove their positive feedback on your profile, you could also disagree with everyone on all politics, it's clear that I am not objecting to that, but you are mixing political views and the trust system, just because I think you are brainwashed by certain media -- it does not mean I think you are untrustworthy.



You are allowed to do all of that, but your behavior makes your feedback worthless, if the moment someone disagrees with you on a political subject you rush to delete your positive feedback, add him to your distrust list, and see if you can leave him negative feedback then that doesn't make you a solid DT member, letting your political feelings get in the way of using the trust system is bad for the forum as a whole.

If you were not a DT member none of that would matter, but given that you are a DT member then everything you do matters, judging by what you did, you will eventually weaken the position of good DT members just because they disagree with your political stands, and the opposite will likely occur, you could very will bring to DT2 untrustworthy members who just happen to share your political points of you.


So you confirm that in 2022 before the political disagreement said member was given a pass despite the fact that according to you


So him being a troll, and having shady dealings deserves a pass but a year later, and the second he disagreed with your political views, he now magically and suddenly becomes worthy of your negative feedback?
 


Unlike you, I am not obsessed with the trust system, your exclusion means exactly nothing to me in itself, it's your behavior, that I personally think will hurt the trust system.


I don't thank people for sending me Merit, I also don't expect anyone to thank me for merit, you seem to have a major misunderstanding of the difference between, feedback , trust list, merit, and one's personal political opinions, I don't, I will continue to merit your good posts when I see them, I will keep the positive feedback because I still think you are to be trusted with trades, I just think you will eventually cause more harm than good to the trust system if you don't change your way of dealing with the system.




It's a lot simpler to ignore other members' political opinions, it's the internet, and you can't curse and insult everyone who disagrees with you, furthermore, you shouldn't use the trust system for your own agenda, I would have respected your exclusion if you had good reasoning on why you think my judgment related to the trust system is bad, but I know your only reason was that we didn't agree on the same points regarding a certain topic that has nothing to do with trust system, which is, a terrible way of dealing with the trust list.

I also don't know what was your ultimate goal by excluding me from your trust list, I would suddenly change my point of view on a conflict that has been going on for 70 years. , I don't hate you 1miau, I still think you are a good person, you just need to grow up and stop mixing things here and there, but until you do, I really think you are not fit for DT.

Auf Wiedersehen.

A summary of the thread is quoted below you can skip to my qoute below.

I thought twice before posting this topic, given the good relationship I had with 1miau over the years, but well..

A few weeks ago, I participated in one of the topics on the Politics & Society board, obviously with views that differ from 1miau's, what he did as a retaliation for my and other people's disagreement with his political views.

1- He asked me to remove my positive feedback on his profile because of the political disagreement. (first red flag on his incompetence of being a DT member)  

I responded to him and told him to take it easy, I did not remove the feedback because it has nothing to do with our political disagreement, but despite all that, I just assumed that he was "mad" and the next day he would come to his senses, but I was wrong.

2- The next thing he did, he removed positive feedback he left for another forum member, a member who also commented on the same topic (who also happened to disagree with 1miau's political views.

3- He removed me from his trust list despite being on it since 2019 as far as I remember.

4- He added me to his "distrust" list.

5- He suddenly remembered to tag this user who also happened to disagree with his political views on the same topic, you could argue that his feedback was correct, but given the timing, it's an obvious retaliation, that user has been tagged since 2018, well the reference he used goes back to 2018, why tag him right after he disagrees with you on a political matter?


I don't think 1miau is untrustworthy, I just think he is incompetent for DT, if his political views directly dictate whom he tags, or whom he distrusts, it probably affects who he adds to his trust list, I think a worthy DT member needs to be a grown-up level headed and use the system for the benefit of the entire community and not to impose his political views on anyone else.

Also a side but related note, I personally asked Theymos to blacklist from DT many years ago, so am not affected by 1miau exclusion by any means, I did not write this topic to get any more inclusions that I don't need anyway, I just hate to see DT members abuse the system to punish other members for political disagreement.

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Here is a collection of somewhat a summary of all the complains on 1miau for those who do not want to read the whole thread (although i would encourage you to do so if you have the time).

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Gaza strip is 25 miles (North-South) and as narrow as 3.7 miles in some places (West - East), with a population of over 2 million people, it's not like Hamas the luxury of building large military bases 500 miles away from the nearest residential area, regardless of where you store a rocket it will always be a short distance from the nearest hospital, building, if the IDF wants to fight Hamas alone they should let the civilians into Israel until the war is over,  Israel is over 22,000 km² large with a small population of <10 million, so there is plenty of room.


Do you have any evidence of this stupid claim? of course not, you are just repeating what the legacy Western media is telling you, they are counting on your ignorance and inability to seek the truth -- which seems to be working perfectly fine for them given that some people like yourself are not only buying the b.s but spreading further.

لا اعتقد ان هدا الرقم صحيح, او على الاقل لايمكن معرفة ان كان هدا كامل المبلغ, ولا ادري لماذا هده المغالطة من قبل الشخص الذي كتب الخبر او شركة الامان فالكود هدا

يقوم بمحاولة الحصول على عنوان جديد عبر NewGetHttp.getRandAddressSem وهدا على الاغلب اتصال بسيرفر اخر يملكه المخترق للحصول على عنوان جديد في كل عملية, وفقط في حال فشل الحصول على عنوان من ذلك الخادم فعندها يتم استخدام العنوان الافتراضي للسارق وهوا TJhqKzGQ3LzT91h53JoyAvMnnH5ETHWLQB.

مما يعني ان المبلغ المعلن عنه هوا فقط المحول للعنوانين الافتراضية اما باقي المبالغ فلا يمكن الوصول اليها لان العنواين المحولة لها قد تم انشائها بطريقة اخرى.

So we went from -3 to +3, that's about what, 80k S21s, double that for S19s? so how does this hold for Bitmain using gears theory, did the shipment arrive in 3 days, and now all gears are up and running?

Transaction fees are slowing down a little, 70 sat/Vbyte is the next block confirmation, down to about 7.3BTC Subsidy + fees, yesterday we had some blocks of over 10 BTC, past a few days were a good boost for miners, of course, not the best for those who want to transact.

The point of monthly payment is being able to combine the fees in one transaction and thus getting fast confirmation, so instead of paying 200 sat/vbyte 4-5 times a month, you pay it once a month.

Another option is to share the fee between the campaign participants and the service.

The last payment transaction size was 1,503 Bytes it would have cost roughly 0.00145 to get instant confirmation at current fee structure, so in other words, instead of 10$ fee it would have been 50$.

The 40$ extra would have been 1.1$ paid by each participant and everyone would have gotten their payouts in the next block.

So instead of getting your 100$ (in a few days or weeks) you get 98.9$ now.

This way weekly payouts stay in place, everyone shares a bit of thier profit, you do not have to wait a whole month.

I don't know what I do not know, but what I know suggests that Bitmain need to be stupid in order to do this, the risk involved is great.

stompy gave you an explanation of the "size", and I already stated that it is impossible to hide a large mining operation, mining is illegal in China for everyone, Bitmain can manufacture gears but they can not run them for profit, noway on earth they would hide a large mining op from the eyes of the government and the power company.

Mining infrastructure is expensive, makes no sense to spend millions only to mine off and on, let alone immersion cooling which is super expensive.

The risk of leaving trails, if one large corp proves they got used gears sold as new they could basically screw Bitmain big time, Bitmain has 10-15 large clients who probably buy 90% of thier products, would be stupid as hell to risk playing dirty games with them.

If Bitmain makes more $ mining, why sell gears? If selling gear = more money why bother mine? Plus, even if they saw a massive chance to make profit mining, they would better off selling the gear used, but again, they have no mining operation in China because -- they can't.

Shipping miners to other countries just to temporary mine with them then send them back to China makes no sense, high cost besides, miners import to China is not allowed unless for warranty claims.

So ya, i don't think they do what many people claim Bitmain does, not because I think they are sane, i know Bitmain is evil enough that if they needed to use human parts inside their miners to make them run faster -- they would not think twice, I just think they are too smart to play this game now, they have enough U.S large corps who gamble with investors money and are willing to throw any amount at Bitmain's gears, they are better off rushing to sell miners than going through all the misery i explained above.

And finally, of course, I could be totally wrong.


 

يجب الحذر من هدا الشخص فعلى الارجح انه نصاب, يوجد عملية نصب معروفة تتم عبر المنصات المركزية تعرض لها بعض الاشخاص.

 الطريقة: معرفة المنصة التي تستخدمها لاستقبال العملة, ولنقل انها باينانس, يقوم النصاب بتحويل المبلغ من المنصة نفسها وليكن بتكوين, يطلب منك تحويل عملة اخرى لمحفظة اخرى خارج المنصة, فور وصول الاموال يقوم بالتبليغ عن اختراق حسابه, تقوم المنصة بتجميد حسابك وحسابه مؤقتا.

نظرا لخبرتهم بالنصب وتجهيز ادلة كافية توحي بالاختراق الفعلي لحسابه, يمكن ان يورطك في تهمة اختراق حسابه والقيام بعملية التحويل منه لحسابك.

الضحية هنا هما الاشخاص الموثوقين, لان النصاب يعرف انه الضحية سيقوم فعلا يتحويل الاموال بعد حصوله على المقابل.