So many details that I will try to summarize, the S19 XP comes with 2 large bolted heatsinks,  regular power cuts are not good for miners, humidity is worse than heat and can really kill your miners.

the water plates are a tough route, why not use immersion cooling instead? Have you looked into it? it would be a lot easier to do than water cooling, and nowadays, they sell those plug-n-play tanks which would make life a lot easier for you.

NiceHash will brag about paying 6% more fees when that happens, but won't tell you when they pay you 34% LESS than what normal BTC pools pay.

Obviously, today's fees were pretty high, with some block fees netting nearly the same as the block reward itself, an example of that would block 788685 that had 6.13 BTC in fee rewards alone, that's nearly 100% more profit for that single block.

Current earning for the average large PPLNS pool and most PPS pools is nearly $140 per 1 PH (keeping the figures in fiat for easier comparison for the readers), while if your miner is pointed to nicehash AsicBoost or None-AB you would be making 104$, and 92$ respectively, that's a loss of 26% or 34%.



It's worth mentioning that this could last for a few hours only, it could last for a few days, maybe weeks, nobody knows, which applies for the other side of the equation, when NiceHash is pays 6% or 10%, it doesn't mean it has to last forever, in many cases those payouts last no longer than a few hours, so while you could make more BTC by giving your hashrate to Nicehash, in times like these, you could be loosing more.

I am not here to bash Nicehash or the other services that have the same business model (NH doesn't need more bashing IMO anyway), but this topic was made to make people aware that the way some of those services advertise their services couldn't be further from the truth, that brag-post of "we are paying 6% more" shouldn't be there because it gives the assumption that this is what they always pay, which is wrong, I would have the utmost respect for Nicehash if they would post another topic today and say "We are paying 26-34% less", but we all know they won't do that.

I have not been following the diff changes much, I am now more interested in watching the block fees, block fees have been above 5BTC for a while now, block 788685 generated 12.38 BTC in rewards, that's insane.

Current fees are 500 sats/Vbyte, you are looking at $20 for an average transaction, I don't recall seeing anything like this for a couple of years now.

37% of today's transactions were non-BRC-20 and non-Ordinals, which also suggests that there are enough "normal" BTC users who are willing to pay a premium to have a transaction stored on the main blockchain which so happens to be the most secure blockchain on planet earth, of course, someone who got used to paying 1 sat/Vbyte won't like what they see, but anyway, I doubt this will last forever, but it's possible that the days of 1 sat/Vbyte are gone, if these NFTs/Ordinals are here to stay, I believe they will set the new minimum to at least 5x or 10x of it used to be before they show up.

لم يعد هدا الامر ناقصا فهوا موجود الان, واول تطوير ساهم في انتشار ال NFTs على بلوكتشين البتكوين هوا BRC-20 وهوا شبيه جدا من ERC-20 الخاص بالاثيريوم.


الامر جيد للمعدنين, جيد لمحبي تلك الصور الغريبة, ولكنه سيء للاشخاص الذين يستخدمون بتكوين للتحويلات الصغيرة, مثلا الان عليك دفع 400 ساتوشي للبايت, اي ان متوسط التحويل 15$ وهدا امر سيء في نظر الكثيرين, طبعا لا اعتقد ان هده الطفرة سوف تستمر بهده الوثيرة ولكن ايضا من المحتمل ان لا نرا تحويلات 1 ساتوشي للبايت مجددا.




نعم يمكن للمعدنين اضافة قدر محدود من البيانات داخل ال Coinbase transaction, ولكن هدا التطوير اتاح لهم اضافة بيانات اكثر بطريقة سهلة ورخيصة نسبية, يمكن الان حفظ الصور ولربما في المستقبل القريب حتى فيديوات ان لم قد حدث.


دخل المعدنين في الايام القليلة الماضية ارتفع بمقدار 10% تقريبا, نعم سوف يوثر على nodes ولكن يبقا الحجم الاقصى للبلوك نفسه, الفرق انه في الماضي كانت معظم البلوكز تقريبا نصف فارغة, اما الان فهي ممتلئة بنسبة 100% تقريبا.

اخي خالد لايوجد اي اضافة ولا اي موافقة, فالامر اصبح من الماضي, هناك تطوير حصل العام الماضي معروف بأسم  taproot يمكنك قراءة BIP 340 و 341 و 342 لفهم فائدة هدا التطوير, قام بعد المطورين بايجاد طريقة تسهل عليهم تخزين بيانات اضافية داخل البلوك تشين تقريبا باستخدام Schnorr signatures التي تم اضافتها مع تطوير تابروت, ثم قام بعض المطورين بانشاء بعض المحافظ لتسهيل عملية ال mint وقام مطور اخر بانشاء بروتوكول BRC20 واصبح طريقة برمجمة تلك البيانات على البلوك تشين اسهل بكثير للمطورين.

بالنسبة للمعدين فان معظم مزارع التعدين الكبيرة بنسبة 95% يعدنون بتكوين فقط, نسبة تعدين العملات البديلة عبارة عن قطرة في نهر, اما عن كيفية حصول المعدنين على اموال اكثر بوجود NFTs and Ordinals فيمكنك قراءة تعليقي هدا في قسم التعدين الانجليزي https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5431167.msg62194657#msg62194657

While the kernel log is incomplete, you perfectly posted the most important part, your 3 hash boards show 65 asic which means nothing is wrong with any of them, the last part which shows voltage read faill is simply trying to tell you that the firmware is not happy with the voltage readings in the EEPROM, this mostly happens due to putting different hash boards from different miners in a single miner, these hashboards come with voltage settings stored in the EEPROM and since there is only a single psu-busbar the feeds all three boards the voltage must be the same across all hash boards.

have you just bought the miners in used condition? Have you switched hash boards between them? I'd guess one of the answers is a "yes".

However, this does happen sometimes when trying to flash a different firmware, the hex file will get corrupted on some of the hashbords and thus the voltage settings are no longer there.

Options:

1- Get the tool from Zeusbtc.com to extract the hex file from one of the hashboards and then write it on the rest of the hashbaords' EEPROM.
2- Use custom firmware that doesn't need/read the voltage settings stored on the EEPROM.

Both Vnish and BO+ will work.







Aside from Nicehash all those are essentially different VNISH distributions, for all we know, Nicehash could also be a different form of VNISH, try BO+ and see if the Dev pool works fine.

If not, you are going to need to figure out WHY does the dev pool fail to connect, router firewall, ISP blocking those IP addresses? you need to spend some time to troubleshoot the issue, and then depending on the distro you use, you can request support, if it's AwesomeMiner, you are going to need to contact Patrick, ASIC.to you are going to need to contact Marc, both are fellow Bitcointlak members and will be willing to help (tho i'd start by posting on their thread rather than PMing first).

An alternative for the Zeusbtc.com tool may use something like pickit 3, I know pickit 3 works great on S9s and I was able to read/write the hex file, I don't recall if it works just fine on the 17 series, but a bit of research will be enough to figure out the answer.

This has been discussed a couple of times before, an example can be found here, Russia is said to be the second-largest mining hub after U.S, a few issues that would face miners in Russia are

- Corruption.
- Lack of enough infrastructure in some places.
- Heavy reliance on gas for the majority of power consumption (Since most home energy demand is for cooling).
- Uncertainty in the laws in regard to mining.

Probably many more, however, it's likely that the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages, hashrate in Russia is increasing indeed, demand for gears is increasing and I saw a couple of large resellers including some official distributors for large mining manufacturers already built warehouses in Russia to enable Russian miners to buy gears cheaper and faster, which is a new move and suggests that Russians are increasing their mining operations, both on the small scale miners and the large ones.

It's not just ordinals, it's the BRC-20 ordinals, they made nearly half the transactions on the recent blocks, here are some numbers I managed to pull from here

the order of these 3 numbers is as follows:

- Normal Transactions
- BRC-20
- Non-BRC20 Ordinals


4-5-2023

48.5 %
46 %
5.5 %

3-5-2023

67.5 %
29.9 %
3.7 %

2-5-2023

57 %
41.1 %
0.9 %

1-5-2023

45.4 %
53.7 %
1.0 %

30-4-2023

45.9 %
53.4%
0.7

29-4-2023

54.1%
45.5
0.4

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You can see that on some days those BRC20 transactions which are all ordinals and NFTs surpassed the number of normal transactions, and those folks pay a lot in fees, since the start of this BRC20 thing, those transactions created 124.18 BTC.
 
of course, this isn't great for my 14 sat/vbyte transaction that got stuck for days till it cleared out yesterday, but my mining rewards increased pretty well, so I can't complain much.

ولكن ان فرضنا انني مع المعسكر التاني فانا اعتقد ان تحويلاتك انت هي التي تصنف بغير مهمة، انت تريد تحويل مبلغ عشرة دولار لشراء شي ما يمكنك شراؤه بطريقة اخرى، وانا اريد شراء صورة قرد ازرق يرتدي قبعة حمراء جميلة ب الف دولار واعتقد اني استحق ان استعمل البتكوين لتلك العملية نظرا لان البروتوكول يسمح لي بذلك.

ايضا من وجهة نظر المعدنين، فالمعسكر الاول اشخصاء بخلاء لايريدون الدفع للمعدنين ويتوقعون ان تبقا البشكة بنفس مستوى الامان وهدا ليس ممكن فلدينا الهالفينج الذي سوف يجعل دخل المعدنين يقترب الى الصفر، وان وجود اي شي على البلوكاشين مهما كان تصنيفك لك فهوا امر جيد ويضيف قيمة للبتكوين ويسمح للمعدنين بالاستمرار في حماية الشبكة، لذلك ان كان اصحاب المعسكر الاول لايريدون منافسة اصحاب المعسكر التاني والدفع اكثر يمكنهم البحث عن طرق اخرى.

طبعا موقفي شخصيا محايد في الوقت الحالي لاننا لا نمتلك المعطيات الكافية لتقيم الموضوع بطريقة مكتملة، لذلك افضل الحياد والاكتفاء بسرد مزاية وعيوب هده المشاريع، يوما ما سوف يكون على الجميع اختيار احد الفريقين، اما في الوقت الحالي لا اعتقد ان ذلك.

@Royse, I sent you a PM yesterday, but I understand that your inbox might be pretty busy, which is why I decided to post it here to make sure you see it.

اعتقد ان الجميع قد سمع بهدا التطور الذي حصل على بلوكتشين البتكوين من بعد تفعيل Taproot, في هدا الموضوع لا اريد ان اخوض كثيرا حول التفاصيل الثقنية المتعلقة به, نريد فقط النقاش حول النقاط الاجابية والسلبية لمثل هده الاشياء.

يوجد معسكرين اساسين في هده المعركة, المعسكر الاول وهم الاشخاص الذين يعتقدون ان البتكوين يجب ان تكون فقط نظام دفع Peer to peer وان وجود بيانات اخرى على البلوكتشين يعتبر "اختراق" و "سبام" ومحاولة لقتل البتكوين.

المعسكر الاخر وهم محبي تلك الصور والاشياء الغريبة التي يمكن تخزينها على البلوكتشين, فهم يرون ان امكانية استعمال البتكوين لمثل اغراض العملات الاخرى كالايثيريوم هوا امر ممتاز للبتكوين ويساهم في نموها ويزيد من قيمتها, يشاطرهم في ذلك طبعا المعدنين الذين يجنون ثمار هدا الصراع عبر الحصول على دخل اكبر نظرا لزيادة المنافسة على تأكيد التحويلات ومن يريد ان يرسل امواله او صورة قرد مضحكة عليه ان ينافس الاخرين ويدفع اكثر.

طبعا لا يعني ان نكون جميعنا متعصبين لاحد الفكرتين, ولكن لناحول في هدا الموضوع سماع اراء بعضنا البعض ونرا ماهو توجه القسم العربي بالخصوص.

These Octotank folks seem to be focusing on home-style coolers only, so I wouldn't be expecting much from them, however, there are many other solutions for places like deserts > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V--cCFr6ng8


Did they give you any valid reasons for this months-long delay?

Or they have long-term contracts with their repair employees and they want to make sure they get them working 10 hours a day for the remaining span of the contract lol.

Alas, Bitmain and their never-ending drama, make the same miner with 4-5 different control boards, change the PSU style for every slight change to the same miner they make, and use $2 solder on a gear you sell for $4,000, just the typical Bitmain.



I learned my lesson after losing a lot of money on the 17 series, I am no longer willing to risk anything with Bitmain, for all I know, they could start shipping the other models that had the large bolt-on heatsink with the stupid single soldered heatsink the movement they run out of those large heatsinks, since I can't verify how my batch is going to look like, I rather not touch anything Bitmain related as long as there are other more reliable options.

If this isn't about BTC then what is?


I too want to move value for free, but have you considered the possibility that there are more people who want to move memes that essentially also have value and are willing to pay more than us? I am sure someone else who had to pay more to acquire some stupid NFT was complaining about my $5 transaction and thinks it's spam, it's hard to get everyone to agree on what is spam and what is not, as far as capitalism style free-market is concerned, those NFTs freaks are transacting value similar to what we do.


True, in fact, none of them even look pretty, I wouldn't pay 10$ for the whole NFT market combined, but I respect the fact that that stupid stuff mean a lot to someone else who is willing to pay for them.

Both links are not working for me, I get this error.


But I get the idea, I don't think it will do you any good, in fact, it could have a negative impact as those walls could trap the heat there and cause the miner to overheat, I'd say just make enough space between them, even better to space them with other low-power gears like your L3s, keep them clean and they will run just fine, I ran these monsters in 45c amp temp at my previous small farm which had terrible cooling, and they are still running, these are not the average Bitmain gears that would break easily.

Not saying you should toast them, but I see nothing wrong with the current temps.
                  

I explained what causes the majority of issues on those Antminer 17 series in the previous post, now check that against the points you listed, and you will see that most of them will not solve the issue and will be a waste of both time and money.

Point 1 is good for anything you buy used, point 6 is good for dead hashboards as per your own experience, and point 7 is only needed when an error that matches eeprom shows up, otherwise, it would be a waste of time.

Now if I have to give you a better tip than all, it would be "do NOT buy any 17 series at all", Now if you are willing to invest time and money to learn how to fix those boards, go for it, you buy cheap broken 17 series for the $100  range, fix them, then either use or resell them, but if you are like me and "can't fix shit", the best thing would be to steer clear from that model.

Actually, temps are not bad at all; fans are running at 5k rpm, which is not 100% since that is 7k rpm; the max temp for the hashboard is 80 c, which you are still 10 degrees away from; so unless the outside temperature increases by another 5-7 c, I do not see a problem.

One thing to know about whatsminer vs. other miners is that the miner's case is designed to get rid of heat, think of it as a large heatsink. You will notice they are hot to touch from the outside, unlike most other gears, so they cannot be stacked too close to one another. I prefer to keep 5 cm of space between them to allow the chasis to get rid of the heat easier.

Actually, judging by the Envtemp of the four miners, you can guess which two are located in the middle.

The pace seems to have slowed down a tiny bit compared to what you posted yesterday.


With just a bit over a day left for this epoch to finish, it's very likely to end up with a small negative adjustment, maybe not enough to wipe out the previous 1.7% jump but pretty close, meanwhile, the price is at 28.5k, the good/bad thing (depends on how you look at it) is that fees have been incredibly high for the last blocks, I saw 1.8 BTC fee block earlier, many blocks were above 1BTC in fees, I think the average for the past 24 hours is pretty close 1BTC per block.

How did you get those figures?

9 BTC in today's price is roughly $261,000

Here is a list of some gear prices for (only for bulk)

M30s++ 100th = $1250 , 10ph = $125,000 or 4.3 BTC

S19 90th = $750 , 10ph = $85,000 or 2.8 BTC

S19 XP 140T = $3400, 10ph = $240,000 or 8.27  BTC

M50s 128th= 2,624, 10ph = 205,000 or 7 BTC.

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As you see, it could be anywhere between 4.3 BTC to 8.27BTC, of course, this doesn't take into account the other expences which could easily add up 20-30% to each model.

Now let's review the 5 BTC you assumed they would make.

10PH today makes 0.0262, so without any difficulty increase, in the roughly remaining 340 days for the halving they should make almost 9 BTC.

Now you need to account for power bills, someone with S19xp and 6 cents per kWh which seems to be the average would be paying 35% of that 9BTC for bills, someone with M30s would be paying close to 50% of that BTC in power bills.

So the XP guy makes 5.85 before halving (70% into ROI on paper), while the M30s guy makes 4.5 (already hit ROI on paper) BTC before the halving.

What happens after the halving is unknown, it's safe to assume a 50% drop in BTC reward if the price goes up i.e, no hashrate drop from the less efficient miners.

Keep in mind that those figures in the previous line are just ROI on paper, it assumes difficulty won't rise for 340 days, no gear fails, no downtime, no monthly/daily expenses, wiring, networking, and everything is not taken into account, which you honestly can't, because to set up 10ph with S19 XP 0.25MW, it could cost anywhere between a few thousand dollars to a few hundred thousand, depending on where you live, so it's impossible to know for sure that exact cost for 10PH for everyone.

Yours are the "S" model, the "S" after any Whatsminer model represents a more effienct and usually more hashrate gear than the non-S, and then they have the "+, the more of it the more efficient, so any S++ model is better than S and better than S+ and so on.

tho are you sure yours has a +? That model is super rare, it has not been listed on their official distributes for months, which suggests that they made a very limited quantity of it, the currently available models are just the M50s and the M50, with efficiency ranging between 25w/th to 29w/th, and hashrate that goes from 108th to 130th +-5%.

The difference in price, however, is very unreasonable IMO, for example, it's 6$ difference between the 28w and the 25w versions, not sure if that is worth it for a power rate that's below 10c per kWh.