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1281  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Concept of bitcoin mining on: December 16, 2022, 08:35:06 PM
The mining process involves repeatedly using a simple hash algorithm to brute force a value.

It's not complex.

I guess person above copy pasted something and has no idea.

Almost every media article you read on the internet will have the term "complex mathematical equations", someone wrote that a few years ago and it seems to have stuck in most people's minds so this is what most of them think about mining, a supercomputer that solves mathematical problems.

This is probably why many people think an average quantum computer will beat a billion ASIC miners combined, given that QC uses quantum parallelism to solve "complex mathematical equations" in parallel. Cheesy, which makes perfect sense if mining was all about solving complex math equations.
1282  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2022 Diff thread. on: December 16, 2022, 07:55:34 PM
Seems like a good amount of hashrate went offline, in less than a day from Phil's post, the pace dropped 1.2%.

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Latest Block:   767701  (11 minutes ago)
Current Pace:   104.7875%  (1622 / 1547.90 expected, 74.1 ahead)
Previous Difficulty:   36950494067222.41                            
Current Difficulty:   34244331613176.18                            
Next Difficulty:   between 35824894249144 and 35890679608341
Next Difficulty Change:   between +4.6155% and +4.8077%
Previous Retarget:   December 6, 2022 at 3:47 AM  (-7.3238%)
Next Retarget (earliest):   Monday at 12:26 PM  (in 2d 14h 39m 59s)
Next Retarget (latest):   Monday at 1:01 PM  (in 2d 15h 15m 10s)
Projected Epoch Length:   between 13d 8h 38m 56s and 13d 9h 14m 7s

of course, not much time left to bring it to negative, so maybe 1.3x %, but the next epoch will be interesting to watch, we will likely start with a large negative pace especially given the drop in BTC price, even the stock market took some serious losses in the past a few days, so no sign of price recovery yet, even more reasons to believe that difficulty is more likely to drop than go up.
1283  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Bitmain new S19 pro firmware "enhanced by 13.6%, reaching 25.5J/T!" on: December 14, 2022, 12:59:16 AM
On their Twitter, Bitmain announced a new gift, a 13% enhancement in efficiency for the S19 pro, of course, Christmas is not here yet and you have to wait till the 20th of Dec to get it.

It would be fun to watch how the new update will perform, is it going to be 25.5w/th at the same default hashrate of 100-110th? or something like the custom firmware out there, maybe 60-70th to get to that 25w/th mark? if it's really 2500w/100th that would be a huge improvement, and of course, fuel for mining difficulty.
1284  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: T17+ works perfectly but after a while one of hash board get down on: December 13, 2022, 12:21:12 AM
I have the same issue with my S9 and it seems that it can be fixed if I reboot the device. It seems to me that it is an software issue but I can't really clarify it. Did you find a solution for your issues?

To save you time and effort, your issue and OP's issues are completely unrelated, the 17 series have a known issue with the chip to PCB soldering, your issue is different, use the multi-option firmware by Bitmain and drop the hashrate by 2th, this will likely fix the issue for you, it seems like the bad board (probably 1 or 2 chips on it) can't deal with the default frequency.

If the issue isn't solved, you are going to need to use firmware that allows you to tune each chip individually, either Vnish or BO+, the tunning will lower the frequency on the bad chips and it will hopefully get it to a stable state where rebooting is no longer needed.
1285  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 2% fee solo mining 267 blocks solved! on: December 12, 2022, 11:33:00 PM
The chance of finding a block is '1diff shares'/'network difficulty' while staying inside one 'difficulty fortnight'

In theory that is correct, but practically and in real life, it isn't dead accurate, because the following quote is incorrect

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The price you pay for shares is directly related to what is called 100% PPS which is based on 'network difficulty'

Nicehash is a marketplace where people place their 'bids' to accurate a certain amount of the hashrate that is available for rent, in the unlikely event that there is more hashrate available than demand for it, nicehash would probably point it to a PPS pool and pay you accordingly, aside from that, the buyers set the price, not the sellers, if you check the average profitability of NH vs BTC PPS pools, you will always see a variation, the last 3 days NH buyers paid 5% more PPS+ pools, in some rare occasions it becomes more, I was able to mine for a few hours (maybe a full day, can't recall) on NH and got like 7 times more profit because someone was paying a ton of money for hashrate to mine some shitcoin.

Also, there is no guarantee that the renting price per hash would go down with the difficulty increase if there are enough opened and funded orders that pay 0.00367/PH/day even after a difficulty increase of 10%, there is no guarantee that you will get a 10% discount on whatever you rent after the diff change, and the same thing is true for the opposite side of the argument.

However, it's worth mentioning that your theory still stands though not perfectly, due to the fact that most buy orders on NH are probably made by bots, after a diff change to the upside, you usually see a few orders that still pay the same per hash as they paid prior to the change (those are probably humans or badly coded bots), the rest of orders will start to adjust accordingly.


1286  Other / Archival / Re: . on: December 12, 2022, 11:09:37 PM
Good to see new pools being put up, but it needs a good portion of trust to the pool owner for somebody to mine there. Since you dont even seem to mine yourself it will basically be solo mining for now. What would be the advantage from using your pool?

A 1% fee on PPS+ is surely not sustainable, the amount of BTC reserve you need for that is just insane, even super large pools can't get that to work for them, also the hourly payout isn't very doable IMO.

There is really nothing good about a random pool coming out, it doesn't help with decentralization it just ends up going bankrupt, causing small miners to lose money, to run a considerable pool size today you need a lot of money, many of these smaller pools actually are nothing but a relay/proxy that uses other large pools, not to mention names but if you were to dig into it you would see that.

 
1287  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2022 Diff thread. on: December 12, 2022, 08:48:53 PM
Well, whatever it was, it's been swept under the carpet like slush has done twice before.
I guess their miners don't really care about losing so much BTC ... ... ... ignorance is bliss.

Twice? I thought it was only once back in 2016, never heard of the other incident.

Anyway, their status page still shows

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50 Block Luck94.22 %
250 Block Luck 79.64 %

Any news regarding if RIOT is using SV2 on the pool they are using now? Going out on a limb here but IMHO they will go back to the original Stratum with their new pool just to take that out of the equation.


It doesn't seem like Riot moved to another pool yet, not sure what the deal was! but I don't see 7EH gone from slush, their reported hashrate has been 14EH long before the Riot news came out, it's been 12 days into the new month of December, with no signs of them leaving, it's strange, to be honest.

1288  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: How reliable is the AntMiner S19 Pro? on: December 11, 2022, 09:31:24 AM
I still do not understand the differences between s19 s19j s19pro and s19j pro.Is there actually a model s19pro and s19j pro or is this wrong?

I read somewhere that the s19pro was manufactured on 7nm and the s19j on 5nm - can we conclude from this that the s19j is better because of the more modern manufacturing technology and thus better efficiency?

Yes the two models do exist, true the J versions use 5nm and the non J use 7nm but that does not mean the 5nm version is more efficient, the number of chips and how they clock thems is what matters.

The J is said to be more efficient by a tiny bit, it seems like availability and price is what matters to most buyers.

Pro vs non Pro is indeed a huge difference, so try to get the Pro, if J and non J are the same price get the J if not get the Pro non j.
1289  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2022 Diff thread. on: December 10, 2022, 10:48:49 PM

If they have enough cash can they shut down till price increases just paying rent with minimal staff (just about $0 power cost) or are they obligated in some other way to pay for things?

Are they on a M2M rent situation where they can pack up the miners into a storage facility and wait it out and move back in someplace when the price goes back up?

Nearly 4$ billion in loans need to be paid back to the lenders, the issue I see with most of these large players is having to repay loans+ interest or else! margin call, the option of "shut down now and turn miners back on later when they can make you profit" probably isn't available for 90% of the miners out there, this is where small mining operations that aren't based on debt beat the large farms, it will only cost you 20 steps to the garage to hit that circuit breaker, the larger player who is chained in contacts from different lenders, employees, power company contracts, tax, and so many other craps can't afford to hit the switch.

What they will do is either borrow more money if they can or silently liquidate some assets (BTC or gears) to maintain the loan, I don't know all the details of the various different companies, but I know a large amount of that 4$ billion isn't going to be repaid.
1290  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: How reliable is the AntMiner S19 Pro? on: December 10, 2022, 07:58:43 PM
The S19 pros are pretty reliable when compared to the previous 17 series, there haven't been any significant issues reported, they have some funky PSUs and that's all about it, so make sure you get a spare PSU just in case you need it. The "i' version is the only exception, it sucks and it's the cheapest out there, I'd stay away from it.

When compared to M30s+ which are almost in the same efficiency group, the MicroBT beats the S19 pro by a slight difference in terms of reliability,  none of this is my own personal experience, but I dig into so many telegram groups and I know I few folks who own a dozen of each, so I am just relaying that information here for everyone's benefits.



1291  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2022 Diff thread. on: December 07, 2022, 11:20:49 PM
Pace is 103.6992%, hope it's just a dead cat bounce or riot is getting lucky!

Riot makes sense, Slush luck for the past month or 250 blocks was 80%, on the probablitiy scale that's very unusual, folks on telegram are talking about a possible bug/attack on slush that caused them to lose nearly 50 blocks.

Of course, a lot of digging needs to be done before reaching to any conclusion, but I don't think they will recover easily from that bad month soon.

So if 20% of Slush's 14EH was not finding blocks for other reasons other than luck, most of it will now start to find blocks.
1292  Local / العربية (Arabic) / Re: ايطاليا نحو فرض ضريبة جديدة على الكريبتو on: December 07, 2022, 01:02:10 AM
اعتقد ان هدا الامر جيد فهوا اعتراف ضمني من تلك الدول ان العملات المشفرة هي "عملات" ذات قيمة, ففرض الضريبة عليها يجعلها مثل الدهب او الفضة, القانون في ايطاليا واغلب دول العالم يقتضي التصريح بممتلاكاتك, وايضا التصريح بالمكاسب التي تحصلت عليها من التجارة.

بالنسبة لامكانية ان تعرف الحكومة ماتملكه من كريبتو فالامر ممكن جدا وليس مستحيل, البلوك تشين يعتبر كتاب مفتوح للجميع وقد طورت الشركات والدول برامج تتبع متقدمة جدا, طبعا في حال عدم استخدام المنصات التي تطلب تعريف الهوية وغيرها, واتباع بعض خطوات الخصوصية سيكون الامر صعب جدا, ويمكن ان تخفي ماتملكه وتبيعه وتشتري غيره لعشرات السنوات دون علم السلطات, ولكن المسئلة هنا هي مسئلة ثقافة شعوب, تلك الشعوب تخاف من عواقب القانون, وفي العادة التهرب الضريبي يعتبر جريمة, لا احد يريد المخاطرة ب 10 سنوات من حياته في السجن ليخفي 5 قطع ايثيريوم يمتلكها عن الحكومة.
1293  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2022 Diff thread. on: December 06, 2022, 04:53:40 PM
Why on Gods little green earth would an operation like Riot pushing 7.7 exahash even use a pool?Huh??

They own 7.7EH + whatever else on slush and they can not handle the variance, running thier own pool will only make it worse, all these large players will end up being in a very large pool to reduce variance effects.

@stompix, you got it right this time, let's stop here Tongue
1294  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2022 Diff thread. on: December 06, 2022, 12:06:09 PM
Well lets hope for slow steady side ways movements.

That's likely the case, judging by gear prices, especially the used ones, it seems like a lot of selling is going on, it seems like we are in the process (not sure if it's the start of the end) of miners capitulation, who would have thought the S19j pro would be going for 15$ in the U.S, it seems like many med sized miners are being forced to leave the game.

I also read some interesting article about Riot, it seems like they had a bad month due to luck variance on the pool they used, despite adding 12% more hashrate, the only made 2% more BTC, and now they are going to switch to a PPS pool.

When large players like Riot can't handle payout variance like that, it gives you a clear indication that the game is becoming harder for everyone.
1295  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: I need to know more about security of a mining pool on: December 06, 2022, 11:00:07 AM
Just follow what should be normal safe & sane computer security procedures:
Always use a firewall and anti-virus software on any computer that can access the miner(s)
NEVER blindly download software from unknown or untrusted sources be careful of untrusted emails, etc.

If you get a used miner: 1st download a new copy of its firmware from the manufacturers website, connect the miner to a PC that preferably is not connected to anything else (a cheap Chromebook is great) and flash the firmware to the miner. Only then is it safe to put the miner online along with other miners you may have. Most malware will search for all miners on your network to try to infect them so used miners need to be isolated and reflashed before putting them on your man network.

I just want to point out two things here, most antivirus software are not very mining friendly, they will block/delete Whatsminer tools, they would block even web access to some miner's webpages, and some monitoring programs will also have a very hard time running with antivirus installed, so a few exceptions will need to be put into whichever security measures you run on your PC, some folks prefer not to run any at all which is a double edge sword.

I found Kaspersky to be the most paranoid, it won't even allow you to submit a webpage that contains a stratum URL, of course, if you know all the things to allow beforehand it would be great, otherwise, every time you try to download a new monitoring software or new firmware you would be forced to make adjustments accordingly.

As for the used miner, flashing firmware from the webpage isn't going to get rid of common viruses like NightSwitcher, some versions of those viruses are pretty sophisticated, when you flash a new firmware they will show you that everything went fine, it will start hashing to your own pool, and then later on "probably where the name NightSwiticher came from" it will start mining to the hacker's pool.

The only way around this would be using Sdcard to flash the miner, it works like 99% of the time, but to be super safe, after the sdcard flash you would still do this

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connect the miner to a PC that preferably is not connected to anything else (a cheap Chromebook is great)

Just in case the virus was able to disable the bootloader on your control board, and thus making that Sdcard flash useless.

** You don't need to connect the miner to a PC when flashing Sdcard, just read the manual and you will figure out if it was successful based on the led blinking patterns, could be 10 flashes, could be 5 reds, could be 10 greens, you just need to know what the process looks like and then you don't have to risk infecting the secondary PC you use.

1296  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: lowest hashrate that hit a block in the last 3 years on: December 05, 2022, 11:42:09 PM
To scale the luck my mine has had 1.5ph to 2.0 ph last 3 years and we have not hit a block.

How do you know your miners didn't hit any block when mining to those PPS pools? it's pretty hard to keep track unless you use monitoring software that gives you alerts when one of the miners hits a block, the miner log itself would reset with every reboot so your miners could very well have hit a couple of blocks without you knowing. Cheesy

1297  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Quick question - Mix apw9/+ psu on: December 05, 2022, 11:01:19 PM
Since Antminer can basically use any computer power supply I would think it is compatible.

That is only valid for older miners, S9k / S9se being the last model that could run on any 12V PSU, doesn't matter if it's a computer PSU or any other PSU that has enough 6-pins and outputs 12V DC, but later on starting from S11 onwards, the design of the antminer changed from 6-pin connectors to a busbar with direct contact to the hashboards (the control board still run on the 12V DC).

So aside from the program issue that thierry4wd mentioned, you are going to run into an issue with alignments, the design of those PSUs is slightly different, the output voltage is also different and it's no more the standard 12V DC.
1298  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: SEEKING ANSWERS TO ? OF: SOLO MINER POTENTIAL REALISTICALLY?? 2022-23 on: December 04, 2022, 11:49:09 PM
This is like going to a coffee shop forum and asking if their business is making them any money, if everyone was honest enough you would hear all kinds of answers, one will say they got rich in 2 years, someone else will tell you they have been making coffee for 5 years and have yet to ROI their espresso machine, another one will tell you his story of losing his house for the loan he took to open his business, all of them could be valid answers.

The same thing applies to mining, there are many different factors involved, your power rate, capital, is it a loan or your own money? capacity? the distance between your house and the nearest neighbor, do you come from a country that's friendly to Russia and enjoys cheap gas and oil or are your country's gas reserves running out and they are going to double up on the power prices? you might think I am joking, but I am dead serious, all the factors mentioned above are critical in determining a successful mining business vs a dead one.

I can't possibly list all the things you need to consider, but if you provide as much information as you can, the answers you get will be more likely to be accurate.
1299  Economy / Reputation / Re: Kano and his dirty games on: December 04, 2022, 10:16:03 PM
I don't claim that Kano is ripping people off from fun runs and keeping the money for himself.

I know you weren't directly accusing him of such a thing, but when reading this part of your post

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Whoever sends you money, I don't want to know where it ends up and what is done with it. I can't either, because no one can verify that.

It gives people who did not follow the full story of this debate the impression of Kano "might" be doing something else with the money they send him other than running those solo runs, of course, just like you I can't verify where that money goes to, heck even when I participated in Willi's run I didn't even check for how long the run lasted or what was the hashrate, it would be too much work, so for these solo runs, TRUST is everything, it's either you trust the person that runs the run or you don't.

I am on your side in regards to how Kano plays the privacy and anonymity cards and accuses other pools or people who do the runs to be reckless and don't care about users' anonymity, I did explain the pros and cons of using Ckpool vs Kano in respect to anonymity (or more accurately pseudonymity), and I think the same thing applies to your way and Willi's vs Kano's ways.

I mean really, this anonymity shit that many people are obsessed about is just funny, many people think they are Satoshi, and everyone out there is waiting for them to make a mistake so they can figure out their identity, Cheesy , of course, I am not saying you should KYC folks who join solo runs but come on, there is nothing wrong with publicly posting your transaction for that run, using a bold "MASKS OFF" in that statement makes it feel like they are posting their naked photos on the internet to be accepted into a solo run. Cheesy

So my final words, I think you two should stop being at each other's throats, you are doing a good job with your runs, and he is doing a good job with his pool's runs, if anything, you, him, and Willi should have been working together on something fancier that operates the runs.
1300  Economy / Reputation / Re: Kano and his dirty games on: December 03, 2022, 10:10:23 PM
I don't really want to participate in this debate, but I think what you quoted regarding discord is more of lack of knowledge than evil intentions, Kano is the type of person who thinks he knows everything and that he is always right, he probably thinks whatever information he has regarding how discord works is unquestionable, it will be pretty hard for him to accept that he was wrong about it even if discord folks themselves tell him that he is. Cheesy

However, regardless of his attitude and the "unfriendly character", I highly doubt he was/is trying to map users' info or trick anyone, I also think it's extremely unlikely that he would steal users' funds and not actually do those solo runs, generally, I think he is a genuine person who isn't easy to blend in with.

And by the way, I don't know anything about how discord works, I only used it a couple of times, and honestly, I think it's retard. Cheesy
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