Lol
1- it is 25 not 40, actually, even during my time with CM when the pay rate was extremely high I rarely ever came close to full quota not even close, I only post when I feel like it, so you can use this argument against someone else, clearly does not work for me.

2- I don't have a crystal ball to know if you read it, I can only judge by your comment, you simply ignored OP's response (he owns the flag by the way) and went a head tag everyone saying "they should remove their support for the flag", it clearly shows you did not even read his comment, if you did and still wrote that  -- it is even worse.

3- Ya, probably good you are not a member of the BCP.

4- I recall you were salty when I commented on your "mining pool topic", it seems like it is a habit, so I will refrain from commenting on your posts from now on.


Sure thing not a huge problem, my comment was more of a lame joke.

This is a lot more reasonable IMO, because by opposing the flag you give the impression to other users that you think the whole accusation is false as if it never actually happened, and if enough people oppose the flag it would seem more like (decodx is a liar, WW is the victim), the majority of people won't read the text describing what type of flag that is, they would take your opinion on it as a defense, of course, everyone is free to do as they please, but i am glad that we could reach to mutual agreement of some kind.

This incident also raised another issue, it seems like your influence is dangerously strong  , look at notblox1, he did not even read OP's response to your message and went ahead to oppose the flag and ask everyone else to do the same. .

Lol did they really say that? As of today, the most powerful asic miner needs 20 years to mine a single block, and this assumes no change in difficulty in neither direction.

Simply put, the whole study is a waste of energy, probably more people will read it than this topic, but ya, that is the reason why most people are ignorant.

Ya it seems like your comment is invisible.

While I trust Loyce judgment I think he got it wrong this time, removing vote may be "ok", but going as far as opposing the flag is surely wrong IMO, it is like saying the whole story was a lie and WW did nothing bad, I think you should keep the flag and I think people should support it.


Not everybody would agree on the same thing, do as you please, this is free forum، if you think WW did you wrong and you are not satisfied with the outcome why even think of removing the flag even if everyone else opposed it?


But hey this is a case we have not seen before, it is fun to see DT members disagree, get some popcorn.

1- The act DID result in damages
2- WW did NOT make the victims roughly whole, it just so happened they left some funds in escrow.

I believe the flag still stands perfectly valid, untill WW show up and make the victims roughly whole.

We can even argue that BTC price was higher on the day they stopped working compared to when we got our money from escrow, so there is at least a small damage that has not been fixed.

My understanding of this type of flags is the accused party MUST fix the issue themselves, in other words, if there was no fund in escrow and someone managed to hack WW's server and paid the victims, does that also mean this flag is not valid? i do not think this is what theymos means.


Why do you think everyone would remove the support? This is still a topic of discussion, I disagree with LoyceV interpretation of that text, I supported the new flag, but I won't remove my vote on the old one unless I am convinced otherwise.

I rather have a few smaller service panels than one huge panel, Our setup is 2 main 4-pole 1000A circuit breakers, each feeds 2*400 control panels (400A contactor attached to phase failure + voltage protection relays as well as SONOFF smart switch) and then each contactor feeds a 400A service panel which consists of 4*100A 3P MCBc (we run the netural directly from the busbar to the PDUs) each 100A supplies a 125A PDU so we have 4 PDUs for each 400A panel.

So despite having a total of 1600A on each phase, we don't have to deal with the complexity of heavy setup, just 4 small 400A service panels that we can control and shutdown individually, Keeping a perfect load balance between all of them isn't the easiest thing in the world, we were never able to keep them near even since some miners run at different clocks, some have dead hashboards, some would reboot some would not, but we were within 5-10% range most of the time.

Depth 0 يعني انك لن ترى الا تقيمات القائمة المباشرة الموجودة عندك على بروفايلات الاخرين,
Depth 1 يعني انك ترى تقيمات القائمة المباشرة لك و تقيمات الاشخاص الموجودين في القائمة المباشرة لهاؤلاء الاشخاص
Depth 2 يعني انك ترى تقيمات القائمة المباشرة لك, وتقيمات الاشخاص الموجودين في القائمة المباشرة لهاؤلاء الاشخاص وتقيمات الاشخاص الموجودين في قوائهم القروب الاخير.

مثال لنقل انك تتقف فقط في عمر يعني قائمتك الافتراضية لاتمتلك لا عمر, وكان العمق المخصص هوا 0 , هدا يعني ان ذهبت لبروفايل علي الذي لم يضع له عمر اي تقيم, فلن يظهر لك اي تقيم حتى وان كان كل شخص في المنتدى ترك تقيم سلبي او ايجابي لي علي لانك حصرت نفسك في قائمتك الافتراضية.

حسننا ماذا لو كان عمر لديه شخص في قائمته اسمه احمد, وكان احمد قد وضع تقيم لي علي واعداداتك 1, هنا سوف تشاهد تقيم احمد لانه في القائمة الاولى لعمر, ولكن لن ترا تقيمات محمود لانه ليس موجود في قائمتك ولا قائمة عمر بل في قائمة احمد فقط, هنا بمجرد تقير اعداداتك الى 2 سوف تتمكن من رؤية تقيم محمود على بروفايل علي.

اضافتك للاشخاص في قائمة الثقة لا يفيدهم في شي الا ان كنت من ضمن قائمة ال DT , وعلى العموم هده الاضافات وجدت لكي "تفيد نفسك" ولي لتفيد الاخرين, يعني يجب عليك اختيار قائمتك بعناية لكي تكون التقميات الموجودة على بروفايلات الاعضاء الاخرين لها معني بالنسبة لك.

It's more so they did some pretty stupid calculations to come up with this rubbish, there is no way on planet earth you can mine a whole BTC at your house, sure not in any of those countries they listed as "cheap", the single new gen miner consumes 3kw which is probably more than a few hours max capacity in most of the countries listed, so you can't even plug that shit at home.

If you are lucky, the average gear you can run at an average home in one of those countries would be an S9 that does 14th, and that would require 440 years to mine a single bitcoin assuming difficulty stays flat and no halvings, so you looking at a few centuries to mine a single bitcoin, so in a life time, all those houses that may mine bitcoin combined won't mine what a single large miner in the U.S can mine in a day, so what is the purpose of this study?

Also, how did they get the electricity rate for those countries? probably via a Google search, because I can assure you at least half of those figures are incorrect, most countries with cheap electricity have tier-based costs, and that tier-based cost will ramp up in a few days after running a small miner like an S9, Let alone an S19 or M30s.

There are no equations in mining, you are not solving any sort of equations, you simply are guessing some random numbers and waiting to get lucky,  it is like rolling a dice, imagine you want to get 6 on a dice, the more you try the more likely you get 6, same with mining the more you try the more chances, if you want to stop at any moment it is fine, your future attempts are NOT related to your past at all.

Ya i noticed that too, phill forgot to write the unit

instead of


it should be



another more popular term to use would be megawatt-hours, so 1.5mw / 24 = 0.0625 or 62.5kw which is enough to run 20 S19s each does roughly 3kw.

However, the last representation of numbers would need to have the word "average" in it, since his solar arrays don't actually generate 62.5kw every hour, it's probably 4-5 hours that net him the 1500kw, so you can take a wild guess and assume his arrays do 300kw/h, if those are 200w panels, then you looking at 1500 of them, that's a whole lot of panels.



No water as in liquid form would be coming out from the other end of the evap cooler, it will be cooler air with more humidity, as long as the miner's temp remains above dew point condensing won't happen, running evap coolers in humid places could be somewhat risky and would cause damage to the miners in the long run, but if the humidity levels are moderate or low, there should be no issue at all.

One thing you need to be careful about would be having a faulty internet connection while using custom firmware like Vnish, The devs of those custom firmware wanted to outsmart Bitmain by saving energy during internet outages, so they keep the fan spinning but the miner doesn't generate any heat (unlike the stock firmware), now if you got those evap coolers throwing in air with high humidity, and your miners' fans spinning, the surrounding of the miner fan will go below dew point and then kaboom.

نعم اخي ولكن اختبارات الحماية الذي ذكرتها في منشوري السابق كانت مبنية على حصول الشخص على المحفظة فعليا تحت تصرفه اي ليس عن طريق اختراقها من الخارج, من البديهي بحكم ان ليدجر مغلقة المصدر سيكون اختراقها اصعب نظرا لعدم وفرة المعلومات لذا المخترق حول طريقة عملها, وطبعا موضوع فتح او اغلاق المصدر هوا سلاح ذو حدين, اغلاق المصدر يعني اننا نصعب الامر على المخترقين نسبيا مقارنة بالمصادر المفنوحة التي يمكن للمخترقين وجود تغرات في الكود المنشور امامهم, في المقابل, في المصدر المفتوح فانت تعطي الفرصة للمحترفين الاخرين لايجاد ثغرات وتصحيحها.

ولكن الفيصل في الموضوع كون ان المحفظة مفتوحة المصدر يقلل فرص التلاعب بالمحفظة من قبل الشركة المصنع, بالرغم من انه لايوجد شي في العالم مفتوح المصدر كليا, فمثلا حتى مع محفظة تريزور, هيكيلية الشريحة الداخلية ليست مفتوحة المصدر, لانعرف كيف صنعت ولا ماهي قدراتها, ولكن على الاقل نعرف جيدا ان الفيرم وير والسوفتوير مفتوحي المصدر ولايمكن للشركة ان تتلاعب بهم.


اعتذر عن سوء الفهم صديقي, اثفق معك لحد كبير, نسبة كبيرة من مستخدمي محافظ هاردوير والت على الاغلب يمتلكون من المعلومات حول الحماية اكثر من الاشخاص الذين يضعون مدخراتهم في المنصات المركزية.

Phil, some btc maximalists will probably report your post for talking too much "alts" personally I find your argument completely valid, mining is essentially a process of turning electricity into value, we all probably want just bitcoin but if there is a way to get more btc mining something else then why not.?

1kw range would be an S9, stock setting will be 1300w and 14th, you can get 10th at 900w with LPM or some custom firmware, but with that hashrate you will be looking at 60 cents a day at todays figures.

The problem would be, not finding a play n plug water blocks, but you could get the S9 hydro it comes with everything you need, you just need more pipes and a pump and some other basic stuff.

The problem here would be your power range, so you will need to disable 2 boards and keep only one, with those S19s removing two hashboards leave you at slightly below 900w, with whatsminers set on low you can get a single board down to 800w range.

Of course this makes the cost per th a lot higher, and on average you are going to get 30-35th out of those new gen miners, so anywhere between 1.7$ to 2$ a day.

You can check my miners sale topic for price refferences to see if the project is worth it, also water blocks cost between 100-200$ for the new gen miners like M30s and S19s.

The downside of your project is the limit of power, if you could do up to 2000w it would make a lot more sense.

الطريقة الوحيدة لضمان سلامة اموالك هي عبر استخدام محفظة تكون مبنية على open source حيت انه يمكن الاطلاع على الكود ومعرفة مايمكن فعله سواء من مصنع المحفظة او غيره.


اولا اخي لا داعي لوجود شركات جديدة فهناك شركات اصلا هي اقدم من Ledger وخير مثال هوا شركة Satoshi Labs التي تقوم بتصنيع محفظة Trezors فهده الشركة اسست عام 2012 وهي اقدم بعامين من Ledger, يوجد ايضا العديد من المحافظ المعروفة والموثوقة والتي تستخدم برامج مفتوحة المصدر مثل BitBox02,Coldcard, Passport وغيرهم العديد من المحافظ الموثوقة والموجدة في السوق ويتم استخدامها منذ سنوات وكل اكوادها متاحة على الانترنت.

لا ادرى ماسبب كل هدا الزخم حول محفظة ليدجر فهيا كما اسلفت شركة واحدة تستخدم برامج مغلقة لا احد يعرفه مايجري بها, حظت بثقة الناس لكونها شركة عريقة اسست في عام 2014, ولكن مع الوقت انكشف كذبهم ومع ذلك لايوجد اي دليل على سرقة اي امواله من المحفظة ويكمن لاي شخص ان يحول امواله منها لاي مكان اخر.

اما بخصوص محفظة تعمل OFFLINE فثقنيا كل المحافظ تعمل اوف لاين, حيت ان توقيع المعاملة يتم داخل المحفظة ولكن ال broadcast للتحويل يجب ان يصل للانترنت والا كيف سيتم تعميمه على العقد الاخرى؟ ايضا بعض المحافظ مثل passport يعتبر air gapped يعني لايجب عليك ربطه بالكومبيوتر اساس ويمكن ارسال التحويل عبر بلوتوت بعد توقيعه من داخل المحفظة.

ماحدث لي لدجر لا يغني عن ان امن طريقة لتخزين التبكوين هي hardware wallet, لان الفرق الجوهري بينها وبين المحافظ الاخرى الموجودة على الموبايل او الكومبيوتر هوا ان المفاتيح الخاصة لا تغادر الشريحة الداخلية الموجودة داخل المحفظة ولا يمكن ارسال اي امر للشريحة لكي توقع على اي معاملة الا عن طريق الموافقة عليها بحركة جسدية مباشرة اي بوجود المحفظة بين يديك, هدا هوا العمود الفقري لل hardware wallet.


شخصيا لا ارى مشكلة في وجود خدمات حفظ seed المحفظة على الكلاود, فمثلا مقترح ليدجر هوا تقسيم الكلمات الى 3 اجزاء بعد تشفيرها, ووضع كل جزء عند شركة مختلفة حتى لاتتمكن اي شركة منفردة من الحصول على اموالك, والطريقة الوحيدة لتجميع تلك الاجزاء هي عبر اتبات الشخصية, هدا ام جيد بالنسبة للاشخاص الذين لايثقون في انفسهم ولا يعرفون كيفية حفظ اموالهم بأنفسهم بدون الاعتماد على الاخرين, لا اعتقد انه يوجد اي اعتراض جوهري على هده الاضافة, الاعتراض كان في امكانية وجود هده الخاصية من الاساس, لان وجودها يعني ان المفاتيح الخاصة يمكنها فعلا مغادرة شريحة المحفظة وهدا يخالف الاساس الذي بنيت عليه محافظ الهارد وير.

Well current pace and previous retargets are the only two accurate figures, because one is "past" and one is "present" the rest are in the future, nobody can get them right, you may get lucky ones or twice, but without a crystal ball -- it's nothing but a wild guess.




That would be fun, however, 500 to 1000 would somewhat be unfair, I mean it's ALOT easier to guess at 999 blocks into the epoch than when at 500 blocks, of course, at 500 you are likely to find more available guesses, but still, I think 24 hours past 500 blocks would be fair, so 644 or 700 blocks max

ماذا تقصد بعدم وجود خيارات اخرى؟ يوجد الكثير من الشركات الاخرى التي تقوم بتصنيع هاردوير والت من غير شركة ليدجر.


نعم يوجد الكثير من من يستخدم محافظ هاردوير اخرى, مستخديمن Trezor على الاغلب عددهم اكبر من Ledger لا ارى اين المشكلة هنا؟


هل تقصد ان استخدام هادوير والت امر سادج؟ اذا اين تقوم بتخزين اموالك؟

Electricity is indeed the most important thing, but just because you have cheaper electricity than the next guy doesn't mean you will necessarily survive longer than him, your operation cost, efforts, capital, ability to main the same hashrate and expand, can you fix gears or not? how much tax do you pay? how far away do you have to drive to get to the farm? how much cheap/free electricity do you have?

I would argue that the guy with $1m capital paying 6 cents will survive longer than the guy paying 3 cents but can only afford 2 mining gears of the old generation, you see, it's a whole package that needs to be better than the average in order to survive, the package has a dozen elements in it, electricity being at the top of the list doesn't make it the only thing that matters.

You also need to keep in mind that wherever power is free or dirt cheap it will be somewhat limited per person/business, You get to the point where stacking more gears is no longer doable, and now you have to stay on top of the game by always getting the latest gears out there just to get an overall high income from that farm, so you get into buying-loop and never see ROI while the other person who pays slightly more for electric has 20 times the capacity and 30 times the money, it gets even worse when that money is not "his", it makes competing with those folks even more difficult.

If I understood your statement correctly, it means you misunderstood mine, there is no "sharing" for hashrate, my suggested plan is to cover the power bill using a part of that hashrate he has on non solo pool like Viabtc.

you need to understand these points

1- mining solo has slim to no chance of hitting block but if it happens, it's a lot of money.
2- mining to normal PPS pool, you are guaranteed to make small profit everyday.

So you do simple math based on the type of miner and your electricity price, an example

You have 10 miners, they need 5$ a day for electricity, and they make 10$ profit mining on PPS pool

A- You point all of them to PPS you make 10 - 5 = 5$ a day
B- You point all of them to solo, you lose 5$ a day
C- You point 5 of them to PPS you make 5$ a day and pay 5$ for electricity so you earn  0$ and lose 0$

A = low risk and low reward.
B = very high risk and very high reward.
C = medium risk and high reward.

To each his own way of doing things, one might come up with another option

D- you point 8 of them to PPS and make 8$ and pay 5$ for bill you earn net profit of 3$

There is no perfect way of doing this, it all depends on how much you are willing to risk and your power rate.

نعم اخي بمجرد النظر الى الكلمات يمكن الجزم انها مستحيل ان تكون seed phrase لمحظفة بتكوين.


هده ضريبة المصادر المغلقة, بالرغم من ان محفظة لدجر تعتبر الاكثير امانا ضد الاختراقات الخارجية حيت اتبت تفوقها عل تريزور في اختبارات الاختراق خصوصا تلك التي يتمكن السارق من الوصول الى المحفظة فعليا اي ان تكون بين يديه, ولكن للاسف فان كل هدا الامان ذهب مهب الريح بمجرد اعلان المحفظة عن خدمة جديدة وهي امكانية حفظ ال seed على ال cloud.

طبعا بحسب كلام ليدجر فان هده الميزة اختيارية وعليك تحديث الفيرم وير وتفعيل الخدمة ومن غير ذلك فان الامر ليس ممكن, ولكن المشكلة هنا تكمن في ان محفظة لادجر لطالما ادعت ان ال seed لا يمكن ان يغادر ال secure element الموجود داخل المحفظة, وهدا هوا العمود الفقري للمحفظة, ان تبدا كلة السر او المفتاح الخاص داخل المحفظة وان يتم توقيع المعاملات منها فقط, فحقيقة ان لدجر يمكنها الوصول الى لل seed بمجرد تحديث الفيرم وير يعني ان الامر كان عبارة عن كذبة من الاساس وان المفاتيح يمكنها مغادرة الشريحة المشفرة الموجودة داخل المحفظة وهنا كانت الصدمة, شخصيا انصدمت من غباء الشركة في اطلاق خدمة مثل هده.

للاسف مرة اخرى نتأكد ان استمعال closed source لا ينتهي على خير مهما كانت الخدمة او الشركة تبدو صادقة, طبعا لا اتوقع ابدا ان يقومو بسرقة اموالك او شي من هدا القبيل, اعتقد ايضا ان الفيرمويرات القديمة فعلا لي لايمكنها نقل ال seed خارج المحفظة, ولكن من كذب مرة يمكن ان يكذب الف, لذلك من الخطر استعمال ليدجر ومع هدا لايجب عليك الهلع واخراج اموالك لاماكن اقل امان, وعلى العموم الخبر ومر عليه اشهر.