Yep, burning the midnight oil again, these days.
Let's keep the discussion about big data going.
When I come here to the forum in my free time, I want to discuss things like that, not violent factions of islam, lol! 

I've looked into the "Notable changes" of the last few bitcoin versions.

I don't think that we should always incorporate "everything" that bitcoin adds to their codebase.

We should be a little picky and implement a few of the important things, but not everything.

Not every BIP that has been included into a recent bitcoin version is automatically also good for spreadcoin.

Sure, if an altcoin is basically an exact copy of bitcoin just with slightly changed parameters, then it would be ok for them to always keep uptodate with the newest bitcoin codebase.

But we are already pretty much doing our own thing, and this will only increase with the introduction of UBA, Servicenodes etc...

BTW, while working on the upcoming testnet version I've naturally started to implement a few of the past improvements that happened in bitcoin,
forexample ‘headers-first synchronization’ from v.0.10.

It's also much easier for me to do isolated improvements like this, instead of trying to merge a complete bitcoin version with spreadcoin.
At some point this is even an impossible thing to do, because .... well... we are NOT bitcoin!

I'll inform you guys in more detail about this soon!

I see the number 150 an awful lot of times in this list.

I wonder, what is the rationale behind 150 being considered the minimum required to be able to get "extensive user data"?

(Let's forget the max nr. 250 for a second, since we can assume that an upper limit is only restricted by the amount of budget available, and would at some level be of no additional use.
It's the 150 that is more important, since it's being talked about like some sort of "entry level".)

Care to elaborate?

That IS a noble goal. 

But literally,

every miner's wet dream is that more and more people buy their currency.
Sure, during long periods of stagnation (like we are in now), mining is a very strenuous business, scarcely profitable, but it could be worse.
And there is always the hope that what happened end of 2013 will repeat again.

I'm just saying, maybe we should understand the mindset of a miner first (especially the SHA256 miner), before we try to help them.

Back when I was a bitcoin miner, if someone gave me a donation that would have allowed me to operate in the black again,
first thing I would have done is to say "thank you" and SELL my miners immediately, to now make an actual profit that wasn't possible earlier.  

I would have thanked the opportunity to get a clean exit out of a strenuous catch-22.

Yup, sometimes helping people to incentivize a certain behaviour might lead to unexpected results.

Are we actually sure that this will "help" bitcoin miners?

Thinking outside the box here.

Zuckerberg is the last guy we should ask for sound economical advice.
His success stems from a weird marriage abusive love triangle between facebook, nosy governments and a docile narcissistic population.


But you see... google would never ever dare to openly promote you as "the product" , that's how macabre their scheming is.
In fact their marketing division spends millions to maintain this facade.
Same with facebook.


Yes, but then why isn't the number of full bitcoin nodes at a more healthy level?
Obviously their snooping would be much more effective if they ran full nodes, right?

I get the message, please change your signature back to its previous state.
It burned my eyes.

Here's an idea of how I would help bitcoin miners, to contrast your proposal a little bit,
(I'm making wild assumptions along the way):

Suppose we one day make a decentralized exchange happen,
where servicenodes, combined with strong spreadcoin miners,
have decentralized control over the whole exchange process happening.
(locked amounts held in a decentralized way, automatically processed fees, etc..).

Since successful bitcoin miners are always publicly known by their address,
we could just start sending a percentage of the decentralized exchange fees to
the miners themselves, and even add a message to the tx, telling the whole world
who they have to thank.

 

Ok, you don't help "unsuccessful" bitcoin miners that way,
but this isn't supposed to be welfare anyway!

...

Anyway, I just want to emphasize that in this scenario servicenodes appear very generous
(providing a valuable service and share part of the profit with important entities we all rely on),
while in the other they appear like middlemen who are leeching off someone else's "market value".
(I'm exagerating deliberaty ofcourse...   )

BTW: Playing devil's advocate here!

The filter (or shall we say obfuscator) would have to be on the mobile device itself.
But even then, this doesn't stop the weird feeling users are going to have:

"why is this wallet asking for access to my geolocation?"

"Ah ok, my location is safe, and I'm supposedly helping bitcoin miners by allowing spreadcoin to sell my data to merchants."

"But what do I have to win from this?"

I predict that no one is going to want to participate in this scheme, just to help bitcoin miners.

People can always choose to help miners directly.

The mere act of buying bitcoin regularly is what helps miners the most. Obviously.

People are going to think that this "big data" scheme is like a (be it voluntary) taxation charity scheme,
where a middleman (spreadcoin, not related to bitcoin miners) is selling something to merchants (again, not related to bitcoin miners)
so that finally some of the profit made along the way is being shared with the poor miners.

Doesn't sit right with me, if I heard it explained to me this way.


That's the spirit!


Yes, that's why I still entertain the idea of decentralized big data, because I think it actually can be done in an anonymous way.
There is a way, we just have to find it.

I did all my memes with Adobe Flash (or Adobe Animate CC as it is now called).

You can take the gif you already have, and convert it into a PNG sequence.
Then you very easily import this PNG sequence into Flash.
You would then need to create a framebased animation where the spreadcoin logo is positioned in every frame separately,
and then you move the spreadcoin logo in its position (maybe also rotation) so that it follows the slight movement of Sméagol's fingers.
The more accurate you do this, the more realistic it will look.
Then you have to apply a mask on every frame you just created so that only half the spreadcoin logo will be visible (the lower half has to dissapear behind Sméagol's fingers).

Using Masks in Flash is 90% of the secret.  

I like this alot.
Something like best meme of the week awards?

Awesome.

I'll convert and upload a few hundred "best" pics of mr. spread to the official website, so that people have some material to work with.
In fact, I already have a "best of" folder somewhere, let me see...

Great idea!

I'll defend privacy even if I have to become an authoritarian, lol! hitler himself!

Is there any current SPV wallet out there (for any coin) that is asking the user for access to its mobile's geolocation data?

I don't think so, for the same reason my bank doesn't ask me about geolocation every time I log into e-finance.

Since SPV wallets are inherently insecure devices, is it clever to broadcast the very position of such a device to a network?

I'm just asking.... it sounds like something that will be very tough to sell to the masses. ("... and that's supposed to help bitcoin??" they will ask, ... "by compromising my security?")

So I guess we'll be stuck with IPs.

Your thoughts? Maybe I'm missing something.

BTW, mr. spread dropped some knowledge today:





Never shit where you eat!
mr.spread

...

He's a clean little fellow, always choosing secluded areas for this kind of business!

First of all, you can do with your SPR whatever you want. If you want to go ahead with this idea, just do it!
We'll both be wiser afterwards.

But while the left side of my brain likes this idea,
my right side says that it would be wrong to incentivize people to contribute to discussions because they want to get payed.
It sends the wrong message, and it will make them stop posting once the juice runs out.

No, I think people that want to post should post because they have something to say. That should drive them enough, and if this drive isn't there, why fuel it with SPR?

A "fun and games" competition on the other hand will attract everybody that just wants to be distracted from real life for a few minutes, lol.
And it helps further establish our "mascot"!

Next to a competition, what other interesting bounties could we set up?

Yes, I'm aware of that. Including SPV nodes increases the reach of the "scanned area".

But then, as a precaution, should we even communicate to the outside world (big data market) if a user was sitting behind a mobile SPV or a desktop pc's full node or whatever other means of access he used?

We shouldn't.

But back to geolocation: is this really accurate within a few meters? Maybe in some urban areas, but this can fluctuate wildly.

Regarding more privacy-centric Big data methologies:

Let's discuss IP 2 Geolocation conversions and how useful/acurate they are.

http://spreadcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750.0

I look at it like a last minute surprise party!
Good motivator!

Indeed. Hey, we are all pretty much noobs at this point, because Big Data, especially when done over a P2P network is completely unchartered territory.
Everybody will applaud those who dare to step into this abyss, lol

So go ahead!


Yes.

Yep, my voice, combined with videos/screenshots.

I will need a few days to prepare everything, do some tests, find a format. But once it is done, it will happen regularly.

I've never done a screencast before, I do have a microphone though, about time I use it for something.  

Nice,
after all this FUD,
it's nice to read this.
 


Thanks. Indeed it takes a lot of time, especially if you want to do a thorough job, and do things differently than your average copy/paste dev.