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701  Economy / Speculation / Re: UREGENT --> 12K + coming today! on: January 25, 2018, 02:49:58 AM
btc is going to recover today!! 25-01!

afther breakout 11555 we wil go to 12K!


# dont sell in panic
# dont sell in lose
# dont invest all money what you have

BTC Comes always back!


Where is your proof for this claim? I don't see any news that would suddenly force an upward momentum with bitcoin. Sure, it's possible that it just so happens that a lot of people start investing at a given time in the day, but this is highly unlikely.

This morning, I woke up to an article titled "Major payment company: “Fewer and fewer use cases” for bitcoin payments." Multiple services have actually stopped accepting bitcoin, and I don't think that's news that would push btc in a positive direction. It's a good time to buy right now, but besides that, I don't see any distinct reason as to why bitcoin would surge up suddenly.

Here's a link to the article if you're interested:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/01/major-credit-card-processor-stripe-drops-bitcoin-support/

Maybe "it's a good time to buy right now" reason could push Bitcoin up... Many people thinking the same thing at same time increases the demand considerably. Almost reaching $11.500 at this moment, just need more $500 increasing in price. It's not too hard, I believe. But the spectatives are that the price continues stable without huge fluctuations because there aren't news to boost BTC's price at this moment, as you said.

I can be wrong, but I think a huge increasement in price will come only when more updates about Lightning Network reach to us. Or any other important event meanwhile, what would be unpredictable for now.
702  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcoin Gambling Investments on: January 25, 2018, 01:56:09 AM
I just hate that he does not really reply on any of the message here but just keeps on posting his stats.

He used to talk to people on the thread some time ago...

What really brought his investment down was buying those ICO tokens for the gambling sites. When BTC pumped to the moon back in December, everything dropped including his tokens for those casinos. Guess it never recovered after that event.

The casinos were very smart, they took investor's Bitcoins and gave them these worthless tokens/coins. I believe it's impossible to hit ROI with these tokens if we are calculating the ROI in relation to BTC, similar to cloud minings process.


Some slow profit from traditional casinos, but better than nothing!  Wink
703  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrency Banks: needed? on: January 25, 2018, 01:01:59 AM
Thinking of certain investments in the project where they are planning to arrange a cryptocurrency bank! And I saw discussions about cryptocurrency banks and their "place" in our crypto-future, and, which is even more interesting, noticed that there is quite a number of those who are of the opinion that there is no need for cryptocurrency banks at all. Well, guys, we can discuss that forever, but how do you imagine then the communication with the so-called real world for the sake, e.g., of making deposits or obtaining a loan? How can the whole system function properly without cryprocurrency banks, which are anyway somewhere on the border between the real and crypto worlds?

Crypto-Currency bank already exists, it's called... Bank!  Cheesy

Digital banks deal with local country's currency, but they are digital, you don't need pape money, all the transactions can be done virtually, but you aren't using a decentralized platform, you are using the bank's centralized one. And even you use a "Crypto-Currency bank" it will be centralized anyway, because you will using them as third party service, they will be under control.

I believe there wouldn't be any difference between the currently local centralized bank's system and the Crypto-Currency bank's system you are talking about.
704  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Guns - Why do we need them? on: January 25, 2018, 12:24:37 AM
As a Canadian I have never needed a gun for self defense. It think the only reason Americans feel this way is because any American can have a gun. So they all feel the need to carry one in order to be on equal footing.

Then you have mentally ill people, they are everywhere and many of them. They can get guns in the US and we all know what happens when they do.

Gun control is the ONLY way. Its obvious to anyone outside of this America Fuck Yeah paradigm.




Well, I live in a country where there is gun control policy and most people aren't satisfied with this.

Where there is gun control only two groups will have guns: Security forces and thieves. And the security forces aren't enough to stop all the thieves all the time, so the criminals feel safe to steal/kidnap/kill without worries to be shot as the common citizen doesn't have a gun to protect himself and his family.

And in countryside areas it's worse, as farmers need powerful guns and all they can have are some ordinary guns...
I think the american's Second Amendment is very right.
705  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Сryptocurrency Phobia - new social phenomenon on: January 24, 2018, 11:54:24 PM
It is not a phobia, it is something artificially engineered and it is related to two phenomena: regular people having no knowledge on those topics while at the same time media boasts FUD. The media action seems to be well organized and executed by somebody interested in people believing in FUD. In my country, for one thing, there is even a central bank maintained webpage devoted to bitcoin threats.

I agree. But the main problem isn't the media spreading FUD and being dishonest, it wouldn't be an issue if people were able to think by themselves without believing in so many lies and exaggerations without hesitation. It proofs media has too much power over people's minds yet, however, it's slowly changing as people start giving more attention to alternative medias on the internet and searching for the true of facts.

Real stories of people who are in Crypto-Currency world is the best way to make others exit from the matrix.
706  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: how long you can stay without gambling? on: January 24, 2018, 06:08:38 PM
I don't have any problems with gambling neither. If I have to stay away from gambling for months or even years it's not a problem, I will concentrate myself in another kinds of activities and won't even think about gambling meanwhile.

These people that can't stop playing are addicted, they aren't on the control of their own minds. If anyone here thinks it's hard to stay some days away from gambling it's better to start finding a solution for this, before it becomes a issue too big to be solved with serious consequences.
707  Economy / Speculation / Re: And another one stops accepting bitcoin payment on: January 24, 2018, 05:05:52 PM
For these companies it's inviable to continue dealing with Bitcoins at this moment, but it doesn't mean they won't start accepting Bitcoins again later when the fees decrease and the transactions become faster. Companies must adjust their systems to the currently situation. Steam said something similar, but they don't exclude the possibility to stat accepting Bitcoin again later, or maybe an AltCoin...
708  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Microsoft joins Steam and stops accepting Bitcoin payments on: January 24, 2018, 01:59:38 AM
Developers come together to solve the problem of slow transactions please and lower costs !!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7or2i6/microsoft_joins_steam_and_stops_accepting_bitcoin/

It makes sense that they've stopped accepting bitcoin. If these big companies are getting paid in bitcoin, and the bitcoin value is going down, they technically lose money on a product that they're trying to sell vs if they were to have sold using fiat. The conversion issues is a whole other story. I can't imagine that it's easy for the corporations to convert the currency into fiat for their own uses.

I understand why bitcoin makes a good payment option for peer to peer transactions in general. Large scale corporations though, I'm not too sure about.


Yes. During a pending transaction, Bitcoin's price can oscillate too much in a way when the transaction finishes the company receives less money than they should for the game. So it's necessary to ask the buyer more money to finish the deal. It's an embarrassing situation... Furthermore the buyer would have to pay expensive fees twice this way... It ended not being a good deal for both parts.

But I think we don't need to worry about it, they have already said Bitcoin can start being accepted again in a future date. Solving the scalability issue, everything comes back to the normal again.
709  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Fair online casino? on: January 24, 2018, 12:51:18 AM
The most important aspect is the proportion between their existence time and the rates they receive from users/customers, if they are positive or negative, surely, checking first if the feedbacks are legit, because some people try cheating and abusing casinos without valid proofs.

Another important point is the provably fair system, anyway it's related to the casino's reputation. If the house is reputable, it has a provably fair system. And a last point that could help casinos to gain trust a lot would be if the casino's owner showed himself: name, country, picture, etc... So he would have to think twice before doing anything shady against his users/customers, as he would be easily tracked.
710  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is an Illuminati Scam? on: January 23, 2018, 11:03:25 PM
While Bitcoin continues decentralized and unregulated you shouldn't worry about illuminates and other groups seeking for power and mass control. Bitcoin was a legit creation, with the intent to give people more freedom and accessibility on their financial life, I believe the illuminates' goals are the opposite of that. Not that these groups aren't trying to blame or control Crypto-Currency somehow, but so far they didn't achieve it.

Yes completely opposite way. so far they haven't approach this cos it doesn't affect their business yet. but day by day Crypto market growing.. Sooner or later they will consider Crypto as their threat. they  (Rothschild) control the world 100 years. They own almost every central banks of the world.
So build up their kingdom through lot of difficulties, Will they let their kingdom destroy ? I doubt. they will try to do something, But on the other hand As I see it is not easy for them to destroy crypto either.
option one and only as I think destroy the internet or block it, But it is not possible too.
So will they adapt to Crypto?
I think we have to wait and see...
HOWEVER we should be greatful to Mr. Satoshi for introducing this technology for the freedom of majority people who controlled by 1% minority..

I believe Crypto-Currency have became too lofty and strong to be destroyed at this point. Their only option is to "adapt" to it, yes. But they don't feel like any mortal man of the world, they feel to be different and superior, so this "adaption" won't be friendly with the Crypto community, they will try to impose their wishes somehow.

I have seen rumours Soros could be behind Ripple currency, with the intention to bump the currency, buying Bitcoins next, while Bitcoin investors were exchanging their BTCs into Ripple to hold this AltCoin. It surely seems FUD, but the strategy is interesting and can be used by greedy guys like that to accumulate Bitcoins while fools give all their BTCs to hold AltCoins that may not worth in the future.

Another possibility of "adaption" is by country's regulations: These billionaires have great influence in different countries, especially the poorest ones, which they send donations. They can put their own agenda on these countries with the help of local governments and politicians. Regulations that will weak the individual enthusiasts and fortify the system we are trying to avoid.

HOWEVER we should be greatful to Mr. Satoshi for introducing this technology for the freedom of majority people who controlled by 1% minority..

I fully agree with you.
711  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: All Crypto Space on: January 23, 2018, 09:16:36 PM
Here it says the connection is infected with HTML:Iframe-inf at Bitcoin regular faucet.

Anyway I received the BTC reward (10 satoshis) on my account, thank you...
There aren't anti-bot links, short links, so it's fast to claim, that is the good part.
712  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is an Illuminati Scam? on: January 23, 2018, 08:38:10 PM
While Bitcoin continues decentralized and unregulated you shouldn't worry about illuminates and other groups seeking for power and mass control. Bitcoin was a legit creation, with the intent to give people more freedom and accessibility on their financial life, I believe the illuminates' goals are the opposite of that. Not that these groups aren't trying to blame or control Crypto-Currency somehow, but so far they didn't achieve it.
713  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is there any way to destroy the bitcoin? on: January 23, 2018, 07:47:17 PM
For me, the other way of destroying bitcoin is to destroy the faith of those cryoto enthusiasts since they are the once responsible for the spreading of bitcoin. And that would be a hard way.


There are some attempts to make this real. When people say Bitcoin is a currency mainly used by terrorists, drug dealers and criminals in general, they are trying to make the ordinary Bitcoin's enthusiast think it's a dirty world, crowded by the humanity's scum, so the common person will think twice before start investing and bringing more people to invest too, as he doesn't want to be categorized on this group...

Fortunately, this strategy doesn't have much effect and even more people are finding the truth by themselves, so it's not a serious menace for Bitcoin survival at this moment, a hard way as you said.
714  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is useless on: January 23, 2018, 06:51:19 PM
Traders benefit from Crypto-Currency's prices in general. And after a day's work the profit is converted to fiat or Bitcoin... (A good part of it at least). Without Bitcoin there woulnd't be any other AltCoin at this point. Bitcoin is the original, the first one, it's normal people have more confidence on it than on any other AltCoin, right?

If Bitcoin succeeds (that is what it's happening), many other Crypto-Currencies can succeed as well (as we can see some solid AltCoins already).

Days work? What work? People now have confidence in other coins more than in Bitcoin, there is no measure here to tell % wise. And again, Bitcoin succeed in what? Its very naive to sit and think that everyone expects Bitcoin to succeed and than only alt coins will do.

I'm saying Day's work as an expression in relation to the trader and his "trading job". After the trader benefits from Crypto-Currencies prices to make profit, he converts the money to BTC again to keep holding. On long term holders prefer Bitcoin, instead of AltCoins that are used to make profit on short-term. Bitcoin's success is being built on long term, a solid progress being built slowly.

That is how I see the average Crypto enthusiast mentality at this point... What other coin do you think people have more confidence than in Bitcoin?

Well I am not against trading aspect, its clear for me. I question other things that is used to praise Bitcoin. I listed 9 things, in 3 pages only was discussed transaction fee and put LN as cure of all problems. strange is not it?

Are you really believe in magic?

Well, Lightning Network seems promising... I'm excited to see how it will affect Bitcoin's transactions.  Smiley

I believe in technology's magic.  Cheesy
As I said, the solid progress is built slowly, there aren't final solutions overnight.
It shoudln't be a reason to be against Bitcoin.

Anyway, you are free to think what you want and to invest in what currencies you want.
715  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is useless on: January 23, 2018, 05:01:13 PM
Traders benefit from Crypto-Currency's prices in general. And after a day's work the profit is converted to fiat or Bitcoin... (A good part of it at least). Without Bitcoin there woulnd't be any other AltCoin at this point. Bitcoin is the original, the first one, it's normal people have more confidence on it than on any other AltCoin, right?

If Bitcoin succeeds (that is what it's happening), many other Crypto-Currencies can succeed as well (as we can see some solid AltCoins already).

Days work? What work? People now have confidence in other coins more than in Bitcoin, there is no measure here to tell % wise. And again, Bitcoin succeed in what? Its very naive to sit and think that everyone expects Bitcoin to succeed and than only alt coins will do.

I'm saying Day's work as an expression in relation to the trader and his "trading job". After the trader benefits from Crypto-Currencies prices to make profit, he converts the money to BTC again to keep holding. On long term holders prefer Bitcoin, instead of AltCoins that are used to make profit on short-term. Bitcoin's success is being built on long term, a solid progress being built slowly.

That is how I see the average Crypto enthusiast mentality at this point... What other coin do you think people have more confidence than in Bitcoin?
716  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is useless on: January 23, 2018, 04:11:42 PM
I am amazed with number of people being fooled with BTC:

1. Transactions takes hours
2. Fees are high
3. Development team sucks, uncapable solve scalability issues for years
4. Its not anonymous, every solution to make it, failed so far
5. Its centralized: who is biggest hash power owner? Who is biggest miner hardware provider? Who owns most of bitcoins? What is % of Bitcoins in coldstorage and what in exchanges ( Ye Mt Gox )
6. There is 0 economics for BTC, it just tight to USD with liquidity providers, cut that and try to value pizza box with just BTC
7. Its not store of value, its not digital gold, and it will never be 100k USD. Because it has no value. It has value only for energy probiders, hardware manufactures and random phils.
8. Its not insured, If some crap happened to your BTC, its gone.

Such crap will never be used in payments, noone wants to support Terrabytes or Petabytes of data.

Its funny to observe how uneducated shills trying to make casual office landline phone to look smart phone.

BTC is scam of the century, stay away.

well bitcoin have a lot of supporters and the most popular in cryptocurrency. it is proven that many benefited in it and became millionaire. bitcoin have flaws we can't deny that because it is the first to be created but still people accept it and use it.

if you say bitcoin is a scam then stay away from it. i see your account is made for the sole purpose of supporting that "coin" and to bash bitcoin and other altcoins. everyone have its own opinion and they can think and they respect bitcoin and other altcoins but what you got is a broad minded thinking blindly supporting that "coin".

It's true, Bitcoin is a great success today because its supporters, that are many. And if they support Bitcoin it's because they are satisfied with the results we have today or because they still see a big potential on this currency. I don't understand why OP blames Bitcoin as it was the first and original Crypto-Currency, that united many people around a new conception of financial system. He should be proud of this...

If he wants so many guarantees and fast solutions he should use fiat instead of Bitcoins...

3. Development team sucks, uncapable solve scalability issues for years

In a decentralized system, changes take more time to happen as there are many disagreements, there isn't a central authority to say "we will do this or that, dot". What annuls OP's fifthy point: "It's centralized".

I do not see success, I see price where traders can benefit, but still point #5 and #6 is failing.

Traders benefit from Crypto-Currency's prices in general. And after a day's work the profit is converted to fiat or Bitcoin... (A good part of it at least). Without Bitcoin there woulnd't be any other AltCoin at this point. Bitcoin is the original, the first one, it's normal people have more confidence on it than on any other AltCoin, right?

If Bitcoin succeeds (that is what it's happening), many other Crypto-Currencies can succeed as well (as we can see some solid AltCoins already).
717  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is useless on: January 23, 2018, 03:35:44 PM
I am amazed with number of people being fooled with BTC:

1. Transactions takes hours
2. Fees are high
3. Development team sucks, uncapable solve scalability issues for years
4. Its not anonymous, every solution to make it, failed so far
5. Its centralized: who is biggest hash power owner? Who is biggest miner hardware provider? Who owns most of bitcoins? What is % of Bitcoins in coldstorage and what in exchanges ( Ye Mt Gox )
6. There is 0 economics for BTC, it just tight to USD with liquidity providers, cut that and try to value pizza box with just BTC
7. Its not store of value, its not digital gold, and it will never be 100k USD. Because it has no value. It has value only for energy probiders, hardware manufactures and random phils.
8. Its not insured, If some crap happened to your BTC, its gone.

Such crap will never be used in payments, noone wants to support Terrabytes or Petabytes of data.

Its funny to observe how uneducated shills trying to make casual office landline phone to look smart phone.

BTC is scam of the century, stay away.

well bitcoin have a lot of supporters and the most popular in cryptocurrency. it is proven that many benefited in it and became millionaire. bitcoin have flaws we can't deny that because it is the first to be created but still people accept it and use it.

if you say bitcoin is a scam then stay away from it. i see your account is made for the sole purpose of supporting that "coin" and to bash bitcoin and other altcoins. everyone have its own opinion and they can think and they respect bitcoin and other altcoins but what you got is a broad minded thinking blindly supporting that "coin".

It's true, Bitcoin is a great success today because its supporters, that are many. And if they support Bitcoin it's because they are satisfied with the results we have today or because they still see a big potential on this currency. I don't understand why OP blames Bitcoin as it was the first and original Crypto-Currency, that united many people around a new conception of financial system. He should be proud of this...

If he wants so many guarantees and fast solutions he should use fiat instead of Bitcoins...

3. Development team sucks, uncapable solve scalability issues for years

In a decentralized system, changes take more time to happen as there are many disagreements, there isn't a central authority to say "we will do this or that, dot". What annuls OP's fifthy point: "It's centralized".
718  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: ICO investment Risk on: January 23, 2018, 03:15:30 AM
It's indeed a risky investment, but I would say the riskiest kind of investment in Crypto-Currency world is Ponzi/HYIP. Most of these ICOs won't succeed on long term, so the "hit and run" strategy is used, you wait a fast pump, sell all your coins and wait for the next opportunity on a next ICO and forget forever

Nah, do not even listen to this guy, he is red-tagged, what can you expect from a shitposter/scammer/accountseller?

Of course, nothing.

ICO's are never going to be compared with Ponzies, Hyip's or just Gambling, if that is what you meant

So .. better to find out some information all over the internet instead of just throwing shit to ico's without any previous knowledge of how they really "work"


If you want to talk about my red feedback open a thread about it or ask it to me before saying bullshit about what you don't know, just don't bring to the table a subject that doesn't belong to the topic.

No, I didn't mean that. You just misunderstood what I said, now I don't know if you did on purpose or by accident.

Seems you are a clever person, so please, enlight us about the ICO investment risks. This thread is about it, you should add some information on your post to make it constructive.
719  Economy / Economics / Re: Can you start from zero cash and make a living with the opportunities in crypto? on: January 23, 2018, 12:00:17 AM
Is not my case, I do have some savings so I didn´t start from absolutely nothing, but I had not much to start with. I am having a decent go at cryptos and I think it may be possible to make a living... What could be a good strategy?

Honestly I started here with zero and until now I enjoyed take benefit of bitcoin. I started with zero therefore there someone who taught me how to earn bitcoin. I joined signature campaign and social media campaign with the help of this two I can earned bitcoin. Hard work and patience is the characteristic that you must have.

I also started from zero on Crypto-Currency world and I can say it's very possible. You just need to have conscience all the work and effort you are putting in Crypto world today will generate consequences tomorrow, the results aren't immediate. The real profit you make with BTC price's increasements, the big pumps. A good strategy would be to not spend much time/money with AltCoins and risky investments, hold Bitcoins and be patient. On the right time you will be ready to harvest the profit you deserve.
720  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: ICO investment Risk on: January 22, 2018, 11:08:17 PM
I just work on bounty at this moment.But every person have a dream.I have a dream.I want to make a big investor.I want to invest on ICO.Can anyone explain me, Have any risk involved invest money on ICO?
Investing in ICO's is the most riskiest investment you could make right now in the crypto world i believe . There are countless numbers of new coins each providing unique and attractive ideas . But not all of them are going to succeed because of their kind and well written work. It's like gambling if you are lucky enough the project will succeed and you will get hella profits . It's all up to you and your way of analyzing ICO's . If it fits what you think is a successful project ,  then go with your guts and invest in it ,but you must know that you should invest at your own risk and only what you could afford to lose . Don't put your life savings away no matter how good of a project it seems.

It's indeed a risky investment, but I would say the riskiest kind of investment in Crypto-Currency world is Ponzi/HYIP. Most of these ICOs won't succeed on long term, so the "hit and run" strategy is used, you wait a fast pump, sell all your coins and wait for the next opportunity on a next ICO and forget forever about the last coin you have used to trade. And there are another situations which the ICO team fails: isn't able to create the currency or fail in putting it on the market, so total loss for you as investor... Some nice topics here about ICO risks: https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@sparkit/the-risk-with-initial-coin-offering-ico
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